Posted on 10/15/2003 8:38:54 AM PDT by Golden Gate
Florida Woman Survived Husband's Strangulation Attack in 1990; Now the Courts, Government, Media, and Public enable Michael Schiavo to 'Finish Her Off' in 2003!
MURDER in the Making - in the Sunshine State! - (Florida)
The Pending Death of Theresa "Terri" Schindler-Schiavo, age 39
- Terri, a Likely Victim of Spousal Abuse, may finally be 'terminated' on Wednesday -
(No Link Here, see end of article for active link.)
"Terri was a sweet girl, very compassionate, caring, and loyal to her family." Later, Terri was married to Michael Schiavo. They were then in a troubled and combative marriage, and Terri was contemplating divorce. In 1990, Terri was 26 years old when she suffered brain damage from a 'sudden collapse'. Initially, it was thought that Terri had suffered a heart attack. Later, it was determined that that was NOT the case. She had appeared to have suffered a spinal cord neck injury.
Her husband Michael has been successful in getting a court order to have her feeding tube removed at 2PM on Wednesday, October 15, 2003, -Today!- unless Governor Jeb Bush, or Pres. George W. Bush is persuaded to intervene.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo is NOT in a coma. It was NOT a 'heart attack' that disabled Terri Schindler-Schiavo! Dr. Hammesfhar and Dr. Bambikidas testified that Terri did appear to suffer from a spinal cord neck injury when admitted to the hospital the night of Terri's collapse. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Terri's neck injury was similiar to an injury resulting from strangulation.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo is NOT in a coma. In 1990, Terri was 26 years old when she suffered brain damage from a 'sudden collapse'. Terri receives her food and water by means of a feeding tube. Terri’s other bodily functions are physically stable. Terri smiles, laughs and cries. Terri recognizes voices and responds. At times, she vocalizes sounds, trying in her best way to speak. Terri is not a brain dead vegetable as characterized by her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo nor a houseplant as implied by his attorney. Terri is not on a respirator or any artificial life support. She is a living human being and needs to be granted an opportunity to recover. Terri has not had any progressive rehabilitation or arousal therapy in more than ten years.
link to: http://terrisfight.org/images/TerriChair2.jpg
[SEE Nursing Affidavits, Terri's 1991 Bone Scan which shows major trauma, and doctors' testimony of spinal cord neck injury, and NOT a heart attack.]
AFF2 (326kb) - Affidavit of C. Iyer, RN, former caregiver of Terri's from Palm Garden Convalescent Facility
. Excerpt: "Michael would say 'When is she going to die?', 'Has she died yet?', and 'When is that bitch going to die?'."
Her husband Michael has been successful in getting a court order to have her feeding tube removed at 2PM on Wednesday, October 15, unless Governor Jeb Bush is persuaded to intervene. If the feeding tube is removed, this will begin her death by dehydration [and starvation], which is a painful, agonizing and arduous process that may take 10 to 14 days.
The Feast of St. Teresa
October 15, 2003 is the day the courts have ordered the withholding of nutrition and hydration from Terri Schiavo. It is also the Feast of St. Teresa - Terri's name-sake.
In a desperate effort to get the attention of someone who could stop this court-sanctioned death, the Schindler family has released a video of Terri that they took some 24 months ago, showing Terri laughing with her mother.
Because of this, Mr. Schiavo's attorneys have ordered that Terri may no longer have visitors. Not even her mother and father are allowed to see her or to even say goodbye to her.
Need more Information ... - (see Must Read Link / Chronology, below, for further details)
During the first court hearings, Michael Schiavo professed his love and concern for his injured wife Terri. He recited their wedding vows, and promised to provide care and rehabilitation for Terri. He obtained legal control over Terri and her medical care. He received large sums of money through legal action and settlements.
After obtaining legal control over Terri, Michael has wanted to have Terri isolated, neglected, - he wants her feeding tube to be removed. For nearly the entire 13 years of this ordeal, Michael Schiavo has wanted Terri Schindler-Schiavo to die! Who in government or in law enforcement, is asking, "WHY ?!"
More info... why ... her husband Michael Schiavo has isolated Terri from her parents and family, did not want Terri to be tested to see if she could swallow, has prohibited Terri from receiving any rehabilitation therapy - even when requested by Dr. Hammesfahr. How and why Michael Schiavo clandestinely moved Terri from Palm Gardens Nursing Home to the Woodside Hospice Facility. Why Michael illegally attempted to have the staff withhold medical treatment and anti-biotics for a urinary tract infection. Without the treatment it was likely that Terri might die. When is it that Michael did not want Terri to have her teeth brushed, and why he has not had her wheel chair fixed?
Nursing Affidavits, Terri's 1991 Bone Scan which shows major trauma, and doctors' testimony of spinal cord neck injury, and NOT a heart attack.
** NOTE: The people at the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation may want to check their website. I'm having trouble finding the links concerning the medical afidavits, and the 1991 Bone Scan report ???which shows major trauma to Terri. Someone please post the Bone Scan Report. - Thanks! - affidavit Link = http://www.terrisfight.org/fed.html I saw it on Monday, but I think their link to the Federal Case is now missing...?? from their website. @ 7:25 AM 10/15/03
The Federal Case and related documents... ...including several Affidavits...'When is that bitch going to die?'
Theresa "Terri" Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
May 7, 2001 - Dr. Hammesfahr (neurology), filed a six page affidavit with the court stating Terri was not in a Persistent Vegetative State, accompanied by a formal letter requesting Schiavo’s permission to allow Terri to begin rehabilitation treatment.
October 14, 2002 -Dr. Hammesfahr testified that in all of his past experiences he has only had one patient who suffered a neck spinal cord injury that was similar with what he had found during his examination of Terri. Attorney Anderson asked Dr. Hammesfahr how this injury occurred to that patient. Dr. Hammesfahr emphatically stated that the neck spinal injury this patient incurred was by Strangulation. Schiavo’s attorney avoided challenging Dr. Hammesfahr’s strangulation statement.
October 15, 2002 - Dr. Bambikidas's testimony confirmed Dr. Hammesfhar's testimony that Terri did not have a heart attack and that Terri did appear to suffer from a spinal cord neck injury when admitted to the hospital the night of Terri's collapse.
Why has Terri been isolated from the public?
To further veil Terri from the public, she was clandestinely moved from the Palm Gardens skilled nursing home to a Hospice facility
Jane Chastain Commentary Why starvation and dehydration are inhumane
Extensive Reading List from the Theresa "Terri" Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
Please Post Announcements / Links to this thread on Your respective FR State Locale message boards.
Email to your friends. Terri's feeding tube may or may not be removed today as 'scheduled'= ORDERED!, but we can hope / expect that we may have several more days to inform the public, and bring some change in hearts and minds, - and finally some positive action from the government officials in Florida!
PRAY for Terri, and all who are involved!
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During the Recall, I ignored the Terri links. Didn't know the details, and I thought there was so much else to care about. I now think that we all need to take an interest in the life of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, and legal battle to save her life!
Car Taxes and the driver license, etc. debate is going to have to be given a lower priority, compared to this on-going travesty, - & tragedy in the making!
Again, a Special and Warm Welcome to Grand Old Partisan, and thinktwice! And, to all!
Pray for a miracle.
Somewhere in the recent history, I saw where ...?? Justice Kennedy would not consider the case... How does this work? Where are the other Justices?
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Bush's comments came after a 20-minute meeting with the family of Terri Schiavo, who faces a 2 p.m. Wednesday deadline in the removal of the tube. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, has been granted permission to remove the tube in a six-year legal battle against her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.
Bush said his attorneys are looking for legal alternatives to somehow block the removal of the tube, but did not know yet what they might be.
"We are going to seek whatever legal alternatives are available and seek the best minds to find another avenue to submit to the courts to see if there can be a change in this ruling," Bush said at an appearance in Dover dedicating new housing for migrant workers.
"I am not a doctor, I am not a lawyer, But I know that if a person can be able to sustain life without life support, that should be tried," the governor said, adding the "ultimate decision of this is in the courts."
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Grasping at straws.
Thank you for writing to Governor Bush and expressing interest in the well-being of Terri Schindler Schiavo. He has asked me to respond on his behalf.
The Governor is very concerned about Terri, and his thoughts and prayers are with the Schindler family.
The Governor, more than any other state official, has a responsibility to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed and to give a voice to the citizens of the state. It is because of these dual responsibilities that the Governor felt compelled to write a letter to the circuit court judge expressing an opinion on this difficult matter and to file an amicus brief to accompany the Schindlers' federal lawsuit.
The Governor is disappointed by the decisions made by the state and federal courts in these cases. However, the Florida Constitution prevents the Governor from acting further. Florida law gives the courts, not the Governor, authority over guardianships.
For that reason, despite his great concern for Terri's life, the Governor has no power to intervene further.
Thank you again for writing.
Sincerely,
Lauren O'Connor
Office of Citizens' Services
Would that be the court of George W. Greer, who never even looked at Terri?
The legal team has a few days to act, if they can find a way to act.
1) That Terri never had an attorney representing her interests in four years of court proceedings, seemed one of many obvious violations of her right to due process.
2) The fact that she received no therapy or rehabilitation in 10 years – coupled with Judge Greer's strict prohibition against any therapy or even testing – violated not only Florida guardianship law but the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990.
This is copied from a WND article on the case. These are two GOOD reasons for a higher court to intervene. The husband should be removed as guardain for conflict of intrest and failure to have a yearly guardianship/care plan summitted to the court.
AM1250 St. Petersberg reporting on 2pm news that due to Jeb's efforts the tube cannot be removed at this hour. Waiting for more...
106 posted on 10/15/2003 2:03 PM EDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
Don't know for how long but it seems to be breaking news in the area. Keep praying!
- Allegations & evidence, etc. I would like to know from those who are most familiar with this case, what has been discussed concerning the subject of Terri's neck injury that is similar to an injury resulting from strangulation. Are the two doctors wrong in their conclusions? Has Michael been dicussed or considered as a suspect? Was there ever an official inquiry in the possibility of his involvement in the injury of Terri?
re: #17 - Finding "Today in Nealz Nuze", (http://www.boortz.com), etc. - That was easy. I searched the site & used search, and did NOT find the article you mentioned. I would like to read it.
* = police officers, forensic scientists and pathologists, - THAT is rather impressive!
* = pure horse hockey. = strong conclusion I would have to see the article. Did they dipute the conclusions of the two doctors, that Terri suffered a spinal cord neck injury that was similar to an injury resulting from strangulation? Or, did they not consider Michael to have any motive, or not to be a suspect? I would have to read the article.
However, * = working for the Court - Initially, there is nothing wrong with that. Unless they are working for Judge Greer. Particularly if they handle their investigation and science the way Judge Greer has handle this case. There are several / many people who say that this case is just so weird. The thought of corruption and conspiricy comes into mind. But, I would like to read the article. A more specific URL/ LINK would be helpful.
#17 Grasping at straws. | And - Where is the evidence that he strangled her? Just saying it doesn't make it so. - #29 by Hildy
re: #15, 17, & 29
I took an interest in this case this past weekend. I am not aware of any formal charges, investigation, affidavits, prosecution concerning a strangulation attack. In the article above, there is the report of the two doctors describing the nature of Terri's spinal cord neck injury. Dr. Hammesfahr testified that the injury(s) to Terri was similar to an injury resulting from strangulation.
There is the Bone Scan Report - I saw it a couple of days ago on Terri's website, but I don't have the link. The report says 'trauma'. We can ask some medical experts if the 'trauma' described in the report, if that would result from someone collapsing during a 'heart attack' (as first believed / reported). The two doctors say Terri did NOT have a heart attack. But, she was 'initially' found lying on the floor, presumably from ..?..'collapsing'?
Some of my 'evidence' is posted in the article. Other information can be found in the link that was in the post:
For some more insight, let's go into the -Must Read -
Theresa "Terri" Schindler-Schiavo - Intro / Chronology FR Thread - (post #18)
[This post #18 is lenghty, but another FReeper suggested that it is a -must read- for those who are not familiar with the situation facing Terri. I think this information (& other info posted) would lead a person to strongly consider the possibility of a strangulation attack on Terri. By her husband Michael, by an intruder, self-inflicted, ...??...] - I would consider Michael to be the most likely suspect.
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Who is Terri Schindler-Schiavo?
I asked this question of Bobby, her brother. He recalled how he remembers Terri prior to the night her mysterious illness was to change her forever.
"Terry was a sweet girl, very compassionate, caring, and loyal to her family... ...She is also extremely shy, in fact, Michael, her husband, was the first person she ever dated."
Only 13 months apart, Terri and Bobby were very close, and would talk 2 or 3 times a day, and it was very common for them to go out together on the weekends.
The night before she collapsed, they had been with each other, and Bobby saw no signs of illness, nor did she state that she wasn't feeling well. They made plans as usual for that weekend. She did state that her relationship with Michael was deteriorating, and that she was contemplating divorce. Later that evening, Terri called Bobby to cancel their plans to go out, feeling it wouldn't be a good idea because her and Michael had been fighting excessively that day. It wasn't until after that day that Bobby found out from her coworker that the fight must have been worse than had been let on-it was bad enough that the co-worker had tried to convince Terri to spend the night at her house.
Then came a late night phone call from Michael, saying something was wrong with Terri. As Bobby lived in the same apartment complex, he arrived before the paramedics. Terri was on the floor in the hallway outside of the bedroom, on her stomach, with her arms under her chest and her hands around her neck/head area and apparently unconscious. Michael seemed frantic, stating that he had heard a loud thump and woke up to see Terri on the floor. Bobby's first thought was that she may have just passed out, it wasn't until long afterwards that he realized that this was an odd position for her to be in, and it wasn't until the paramedics arrived and began trying to revive her and get back a heartbeat that he realized that his sister hadn't simply passed out, but that she was in a life and death situation.
~snip~
Michael appeared to the Schindler family to be a caring husband who wanted to bring his wife home and take care of her and provide her with therapy. In court he recited his wedding vows and cried along with stating his wishes to bring her home. ...
~snip~
...What actually happened was that Michael forgot to mention in court during his professions of love and commitment was that he already had another girlfriend.
What actually happened was that when Michael received this money in January of 1993, he ordered that Terri's therapy be stopped.
Bob Schindler Sr., Terri's father, contronted Michael in Feb. of the same year, asking what was going on with her therapy. Michael seemed angry, stating that it was HIS wife and he would make all of her decisions. He then severed the relationship with Terri's family, and they were no longer allowed access to any information regarding her. He would later imply that he believed Terri's father just wanted money.
A few months later Terri's parents did receive a telephone call from the nursing home their daughter resided in. They were informed that she had a urinary tract infection, and that her husband was refusing to allow her to be treated with anti-biotics. Without treatment it was likely that she might die. The nursing home informed Michael that this was illegal, and provided the treatment. At this point her parents attempted to get legal guardianship of Terri, but the courts denied it. Michael quietly moved her to another nursing home without informing the parents, where the same situation with him trying to withhold persmission for anti-biotics was repeated. The family was not told about this until well after the fact.
~snip~
...February 11, 2000 - Judge Greer rules to have Terri’s feeding discontinued.
~snip~
February 25, 2000 - Michael Schiavo filed a petition to prohibit Terri's family from visiting Terri, and/or severely restricting their visiting hours.
March 7, 2000 - Judge Greer denies petition to perform a swallowing test to see if Terri has the ability to swallow. Judge Greer also: Ordered Terri's family to submit a visitation "guest list" for Schiavo's approval.
~snip~
April 27, 2001 - Attorneys Anderson and Eckert presented the same new evidence that Schiavo had perjured himself at Terri's 2000 Trial to Civil Court Judge Frank Quesada. In an emergency hearing, Judge Quesada ordered Terri's feeding resumed. Terri had not had any nutrition for 60 hours. What was this evidence? Remember Michael's girlfriend from the time of the very first trial? She came forward with the testimony that Michael had told her, all the way back then, that Terri had never told him what her wishes would be in a situation like this, as Michael had stated previously. Her reason for not coming forward years earlier? She was afraid of Michael. Bobby Schindler did not find this hard to believe, as he had already come to the conclusion that Michael is a very controlling and violent person. The violence was first evident to Bobby in an altercation they had early in his relationship with Terri. He cannot even recall what Michael was angry about, but he had grabbed Bobby by the neck, threw him to the ground, and was ready to strike him with a closed fist when the family intervened an stopped him.
~snip~ - more details / info - must read -
This, and the information that was in the original post, is what I used to conclude that there is a strong likelyhood that Terri Schindler-Schiavo suffered a spinal cord neck injury that resulted from strangulation, or a strangulation attempt. And of the three options I listed above: By her husband Michael, by an intruder, self-inflicted, ... - I would consider Michael the most likely suspect.
Your response, please. Particularly, from those who are familiar with this situation.
This was posted on the thread about Jeb intervening by poster Mitchbert:
AM1250 St. Petersberg reporting on 2pm news that due to Jeb's efforts the tube cannot be removed at this hour. Waiting for more...
106 posted on 10/15/2003 2:03 PM EDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
Don't know for how long but it seems to be breaking news in the area. Keep praying!
I just saw that. I'm sobbing. I can't believe it. MS IS A MURDERER AND SO IS GREER.
33 - by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri Schiavo. .She is NOT comatose or PVS. She's alive ... www.terrisfight.org)
Otherwise, your point is?
Radio Show, oh great Brainiac, Radio Show (0830-1200 WSB-Atlanta).
Be back later this evening.
now that the tube is removed, all efforts should be made to feed her naturally with pureed foods , much as what is done for stroke patients.....
did anyone catch CNN this am?....they made it sound like it was so cruel to let this woman live all these years....I am still hearing the "heart attack" story, and no one is mentioning that she was probably a likely victim of an attack from her hubby.....
HOw can anyone have the right to tell someone not to feed a pt.....it is paramount to telling them not to cover him/her with blankets, or not to dress someone at all....
this is so beyond the pale.....
Don't we usually make some attempt to communicate directly with a person whose opinion is the main topic of a court case?
Don't we use alternate methods of communication, like sign language, when speech will not do?
Do we always accept second hand accounts from witnesses?
Do we usually rely on the testimony of a person who might gain money or goods through misrepresenting the opinion of the person whose opinion we seek?
Aren't efforts usually made to communicate with the person whose wishes need to be determined?
Did Greer even try to ascertain what Terri wants now?
Greer has declared that what Terri was like a more than a decade ago has no bearing in his determinations. Since that is so, why does Greer allow what Terri said more than a decade ago to have any bearing in his determinations?
If Greer wants to consider Terri's condition now, he should try his best to determine her opinion now of her condition now.
Funny, you don't seem to see the irony, the contradiction, the obvious, in your qoute.
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