Conservative-Libertarian Split: Liberals Get It, Conservatives Don’t

IntellectualConservative.com ^ | October 15, 2003 | W. James Antle III

[cinFLA]

That is a particularly totalitarian view of "rights." When society, or government "grants" rights, they are not really rights, but chains. Our founding fathers understood this well.

Go to Singapore and see if you still have your 'right to bear arms'! Then tell me rights are not given to the citizens by society!

[cinFLA]

So you do support the legalization of all drugs.

[jmc813]

So you do support the legalization of all drugs.

Congratulations. You've reached double digits. I agree with that crazy loserdopian Jim Robinson that the states should set their own drug policies.

[jmc813]

Go to Singapore and see if you still have your 'right to bear arms'! Then tell me rights are not given to the citizens by society!

I think you need to brush up on the Federalist Papers. Every man is born with inalienable rights, including that of self defense, regardless of whether his government respects those rights or not.

[Sam Cree]

"Go to Singapore and see if you still have your 'right to bear arms'! Then tell me rights are not given to the citizens by society!"

In the USA, rights are not granted by "society." The consideration is that we are endowed with our rights by our creator. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect those rights from our government, from society. The very opposite situation from one in which the rights are granted us by government.

But I have a question. Would you personally be satsified with a country in which your "rights" were given to you by society?

[nickcarraway]

Not Schundler?

[Question_Assumptions]

I was talking about the Whitman/McGreevey election. I voted for Sabrin.

[nickcarraway]

Fair enoough. Schundler seems like as good as anyone could expect, no?

[Question_Assumptions]

Oh, I'm a big Schundler fan. Have been for year. But I think, he suffers from the George W. Bush grinning problem. When Bret Schundler grins, he gets the same sort of smug cocky look that George W. gets, which is why George W. stopped doing it. I wish Bret would stop grinning, too. Otherwise, people will vicerally dislike him, like several people I know. He winds up with that "nasty" label.

[jmc813]

I was talking about the Whitman/McGreevey election. I voted for Sabrin.

So did I. If Bret for whatever reason does not run in '05, I hope Murray will as a Republican. He is truly a diamond in the rough.

[Question_Assumptions]

If you've been on Brets email list or have been to any of his grass-roots meetings since the election, I think you'd agree with me that he's running. He's posturing now.

[jmc813]

But I think, he suffers from the George W. Bush grinning problem. When Bret Schundler grins, he gets the same sort of smug cocky look that George W. gets, which is why George W. stopped doing it.

Very interesting point. I've been a fan of Bret's since '01, and never noticed that, but now that you mention it, I can see where you're coming from.

I wouldn't worry about it though. I feel McSkeevy has been SO bad that if Bret decides to run, he'll have no problem wiping the floor with the weasel.

[Question_Assumptions]

Very interesting point. I've been a fan of Bret's since '01, and never noticed that, but now that you mention it, I can see where you're coming from.

I noticed it in his debate at Monmouth College and then elsewhere. When he gets nervous or snippy, he grins and it doesn't come off well, in my opinion.

I wouldn't worry about it though. I feel McSkeevy has been SO bad that if Bret decides to run, he'll have no problem wiping the floor with the weasel.

I'd like to think that people vote on substance but the Nixon/Kennedy debate in 1960 showed that isn't always so. A lot of women I know, in particular, seem to vote on their viceral feeling about a candidate (as if they were picking a date) rather than specific policies or ideas, though I'm sure a lot of men do that too. Several of them did not vote for Schundler but could not really explain why, other than to say that they didn't like him.

[xrp]

I think what Sam Cree is saying is that it is a damn good thing that a totalitarian minded psychopath like yourself is not in power here in the United States.