Skip to comments.DATE RAPE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?
Posted on 10/15/2003 10:05:10 PM PDT by carlo3b
DATE RAPE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?
Did he or didn't he? Has our compassion for an alleged victim in a particular type of crime, allowed our Bill of Rights to go past due!
Did she or didn't she? It appears there are more the a few Americans that are now beginning to rethink the compassionate laws that awarded unquestioned protections, to unproved accusations. It has become obvious that these well meaning measures may have gone too far. Has today's culture allowed itself to believe only one side of a conflict where a woman is considered, without ever hearing the other? Are all men sexual brutes?
Would a woman lie?
"It is a besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which masses (of men) exhibit their tyranny."
-James Fenimore Cooper
Men, I learned early on were by nature, bigger, stronger, and much more aggressive than women. The men in my life, great grandfather, grandfathers, uncles, and even neighbors were our protectors, safe keepers, and providers. They were to be emulated, learned from, looked up to. Men were a defense against anything that threatened us. Most men that I knew were good. They loved us, even if they never really said so. I loved the men in my life, because they were good, because the women in my home wouldn't allow them to behave any other way.
Where all men good, and by default, were all boys nice guys? Of course not, and I found that out the hard way.
"If you can learn from hard knocks, you can also learn from soft touches."
I was taught from birth, that women were always looking out for my best interest. My mother, grandmother, great grandmother, aunts and yes even my teachers were all there to help me. I didn't always agree with them, but I never for a moment doubted their veracity. Women were the soft ones, the good smelling, caring and tender people in our lives. Why would they want to hurt me, I loved them and they all loved me.
Were all women, and by default all little girls, always good? Well, as I grew up, I began to discover that girls much like boys, are not always nice. So what happened to make things change? That came later.
"The emotional, sexual, and psychological stereotyping of females begins when the doctor says: 'It's a girl.'"
Although women were smaller, and mostly weaker in a physical sense, they were not pushovers. Our mothers, and all adult women in our family were the benevolent dictators over everything within the home and family, and that included the men and boys. I didn't have any sisters, but my friends did and they became wiser, a lot sooner in the ways of the world where females were concerned than I did. What I didn't grasp until much later was that not all females were like my mother, and that mothers, acted like females to other people, but never us.
"We create an environment where it is alright to hate, to steal, to cheat, and to lie if we dress it up with symbols of respectability, dignity and love."
-Whitney Moore, Jr.
Can and do men and boys take advantage of smaller and weaker people? Yes, of course. Does that include women? Absolutely! Does that include sex? Without a doubt.
Ergo, all men always take advantage of everyone, especially women, in every case, without question, were sex is concerned!
That is absolutely absurd, and would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening. However, in most states in The United States of America, in the case of an accusation of sexual assault, a man is considered guilty, and is treated as such, until and if he can prove otherwise. However, he must never accuse the accuser of any motive other than of that misinterpretation of his disgusting intentions.
"There are no facts, only interpretations."
Innocent Until Proven Guilty? Not a chance. Presumed innocence? Not in the current court of public opinion, and not in too many criminal courts of law either. A man is not allowed to proffer any questions or produce evidence of a pattern of behavior that casts any doubt on the accuser.
Thus, a man must present a defense that casts him as unethical, uncaring, and a vicious beast who perpetuates the accusation, promotes the stereotype, and confirms in public the appearance of guilt, beyond a shadow of doubt.
"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Does it happen, that men, evil men, not only can and in some cases, do rape and brutalize women? You bet they do and when proven, the law should treat them in the strongest punishments allowable by law. A woman should be given an unencumbered opportunity to bring to justice anyone, that takes advantage of them and their bodies. They should be allowed to bring into court any pertinent evidence that casts the perpetrator in as damaging a light as the law allows.
It is true that filthy crimes of this nature are seldom committed in public where witnesses can collaborate an accusation. However, this is true of most serious crimes, and that unfortunate fact, does not change the burden of proof.
A man, or a woman for that matter, presumably enters court innocent until proven otherwise. In such cases the accuser can bring into court any past behavior or a propensity to commit such a crime. Thus is the character of our court system, and the reason we have juries of our peers, to weigh the facts, and dispense the entitled punishment, or exonerate. Nothing should interfere with the process that we have in place.
This is not a unique position that I propose.. It was the law of the land...
30 days before a jury trial; the law doesn't mention or apply to preliminary hearings -- the prosecutor himself acknowledged that in his press conference yesterday.
Which is exactly how marxist/communist gain supporters.
"Tell a lie long enough and it will become truth."
Gee, now who may have said that?
By golly, it was not said by a someone in the U.S.S.R.!
Sorry Carlo, I'm not picking on you, but the idiots who follow the democRAT party line and never realize what that party now stands for!
Purge, Purge, Purge all visuals... must get it out of my head, Purge, Purge (dang-it I ain't that old, I remember when this stuff was for Fun) Purge, Purge all visuals. Just Dam, now I got to hire a stinkin lawyer just to go to sleep at night! Now on the Flip side - IF she was ARMED and she was RAPED would we discussing this at all?
Yes indeed I agree my dear FRiend, it was said by Adolph Hitler! It has been adopted as the motto of the Demorats... LOLOL
He's a lot more right than you think.
Interpretation of what?
It seems sometimes if a woman looks back and realizes she was just used for sex, she can claim rape.
What if a man is used for sex by a woman, does he have the same right?
Not that a man would mind under normal circumstances...
But if he was seduced and lied to...but women don't do that, just men?
Thanks for leveling the playing field.
The victim is expendable in the grand scheme of welcome to the 'in' crowd.
Last year a skier was seen recklessly speeding down the slope. He crashed into a fellow skier, killing the man. Colorado decided the visitor from Britain was not liable for his reckless behaviour and no charges were filed.
Ski resorts have only one value.....the bottom line and justice be damned.
I am so sorry for your daughter, whatever horrible thing happened to her.. but just "TO BE FAIR", what if you are the mother of a boy that had some gutter slut accuse him of rape because he didn't ring her bell in bed! I know what was he doing in... BLAH, BLAH
Give me a break, you and dangerous jerks like you, are the reason that stupid unfair laws like this travesty exists.. what do you personally know about this case that we, and apparently the JUDGE doesn't know..
The defense had every right under existing Colorado law, to bring into court (that was open to the public because the prosecutor demanded it) any relevant evidence that impeaches or impacts the accusations against this defendant. Her dalliances with one or several men within the time frame of the incident has grave consequences on the validity of the alleged injuries..
SAVE YOUR DAUGHTER'S FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT by not sharing whatever sick episode she endured, just to make your unworthy point, she has you as a parent, and for that she is a truely a real victim already!
(B) But it would certainly cause me to doubt her claim that any vaginal swelling,bruising or redness was caused by the one fellow she refused.
PRECISELY the issue. The defense is trying to say that the injuries supposed caused by the [alleged] rape are consistent with injuries caused by having sex with three different men in three days. The error here is that the prosecution brought forth those injuries as evidence of rape. The defense should have a right to refute that evidence by showing it as a possible result of other actions rather than the [alleged] rape
Let us assume that the Defense Attorney did it deliberately and her "oops" appearance was a total sham. Do you know WHY she could get away with it?
They were using the initials of the supposed victim, but those initials are very similar to the name, and having used the name countless times in the last month, it is quite foreseeable that a person would slip from the initials to the name.
error here belongs to the dummies who decided to use the initials rather than "Jane Doe."
see my post #75
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