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Germans Lap Up Claim That US Plotted Sept 11
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-17-2003 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 10/16/2003 6:12:06 PM PDT by blam

Germans lap up claim that US plotted Sept 11

By Kate Connolly in Bonn
(Filed: 17/10/2003)

A former cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of anti-Americanism in Germany with a book arguing that the US government mounted the Sept 11 attacks as part of a plot to win global domination.

Andreas von Bülow has gone even further than Michael Meacher, Britain's former environment minister, who claims the US knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.

Von Bülow, 66, believes that Sept 11 was staged to justify the subsequent wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

The German government has made no official response to the book, although ministers have tried to distance themselves from his views.

But von Bülow's ideas are very popular and polls show a fifth of Germans believe Washington ordered the attacks.

The CIA and September 11, written mainly from internet research, is a besteller, with sales of more than 100,000.


TOPICS: Extended News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; germans; germany; lap; plotted; tinfoil; us
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What is wrong with these people?
1 posted on 10/16/2003 6:12:07 PM PDT by blam
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'Bush Makes World More Dangerous' Say Survey Britons
2 posted on 10/16/2003 6:14:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Well, according to some there, the Holocaust didn't happen either!

Tia

4 posted on 10/16/2003 6:20:22 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: blam
Ha! If we wanted global domination would we really have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq?!? How about China, Japan or Russia? Hell, for that matter we could have conquered the whole of AFRICA by now!
5 posted on 10/16/2003 6:21:30 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: blam
What do you expect form a bunch of suckers that lapped up Mein Kampf and elected a failed paper-hanger to be Chancellor!
6 posted on 10/16/2003 6:22:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: blam
Morons. I just can't understand their ignorance.
7 posted on 10/16/2003 6:23:33 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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But von Bülow's ideas are very popular and polls show a fifth of Germans believe Washington ordered the attacks.

No, one fifth said it was possible that Washington was somehow connected to the attacks. Less than the number of democrats I would imagine.

8 posted on 10/16/2003 6:24:02 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: blam
Michael Moore is also very popular with these nuts.
9 posted on 10/16/2003 6:25:40 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: MotleyGirl70
Well, there's a lot of crazy people out there. We've got a few of those right here on FR.

It doesn't surprise me that the Telegraph couldn't pass up an opportunity to bash on Germany- it's like a hobby for them.

10 posted on 10/16/2003 6:25:48 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Roscoe Karns
But he's not popular in America- nuh-uh.
11 posted on 10/16/2003 6:26:49 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: blam
This is why it is better to drink American beer. Less dementia.
12 posted on 10/16/2003 6:27:08 PM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: blam
The children and grandchildren of the Third Reich speak...
13 posted on 10/16/2003 6:27:11 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Prodigal Son
When one compares a group to the Democrats, you can be assured that you are comparing two losers.
14 posted on 10/16/2003 6:28:16 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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What is wrong with these people?

I think it is something in the water they drink.

They seem to have a habit, about every 25 - 30 years, of begging for a world class ass kicking. Granted, they are a bit off cycle as of late.

This guy is certainly holding up all the right signs - "Kick our ass, again. Please!" - "Bomb us now!"

Proof that Kalifungus does not have the lock on fruits, nuts and flakes.

LVM

15 posted on 10/16/2003 6:28:22 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (You tell 'em I'm coming! And you tell 'em Hell is coming with me!!!)
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To: Normal4me
If we wanted global domination would we really have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq?!? How about China, Japan or Russia?

Heck, what about Germany? It's half the size of Texas and we already have troops and weapons smack dab in the middle of the country. I'd say 3 seconds to total domination and another 30-40 minutes for Schroeder to finish the paperwork.

16 posted on 10/16/2003 6:28:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: blam
The whole US Government should be put behind bars? Who does this nitwit think is big enough to do it.

Then again, from 1992 to 2000 I mostly agreed.
17 posted on 10/16/2003 6:29:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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"What is wrong with these people?"

Well, for starters, what percentage of the current German population used to be, or is descended from, former residents of East Germany? No doubt they all suffered long lasting defects in their reasoning ability.
18 posted on 10/16/2003 6:29:59 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: blam
Send David Hasselhoff over there to set them straight. They worship the guy.
19 posted on 10/16/2003 6:30:49 PM PDT by lchoro
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To: blam
The same thing that has always been wrong with them. Genetically f--ked up from way back when we kicked Prussian butt in New Jersey on Christmas Eve during our successful war for independence. Dey just vants dey butts kickened vonce again ass all krauts do liken once der vhile or oftener if possible.
20 posted on 10/16/2003 6:31:52 PM PDT by mathurine
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The same thing that has always been wrong with them. Genetically f--ked up from way back when we kicked Prussian butt in New Jersey on Christmas Eve during our successful war for independence. Dey just vants dey butts kickened vonce again ass all krauts do liken once der vhile or oftener if possible.
21 posted on 10/16/2003 6:31:57 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Normal4me
Whenever someone starts in to the "It's all about oil" I always politely point out that Mexico has almost as much oil, would be easier to take over, easier to run and a whole lot closer.

Plus they have nice beaches and a few other goodies. So why didn't we invade Mexico?

22 posted on 10/16/2003 6:34:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Help! I am being held captive by a podperson who swallowed a dictionary!)
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To: blam
And this isn't just a translation of the French bestseller l'Effroyable Imposture by Thierry Meyssan! I guess each country needs their own conspiracy theorist.
23 posted on 10/16/2003 6:35:30 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
When one compares a group to the Democrats, you can be assured that you are comparing two losers.

That's a fact. Europe has its losers- America has its own. Not really news is it?

24 posted on 10/16/2003 6:37:35 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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Herr blam
You insinuate that the people who staged so many attacks during its history would know better than to assume that others are like them?

hehe, I do declare that these Germans are absolute fools.

25 posted on 10/16/2003 6:40:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Please visit www.geocities.com/geronl and http://freestateparty.50megs.com)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"So why didn't we invade Mexico?"

I think you're onto something. They're invading us daily, so why not give the north-bound illegals a surprise -- like ten divisions of Marines passing them, going the other way.

26 posted on 10/16/2003 6:42:12 PM PDT by resistmuch
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To: blam
You would have to live over there for awhile to understand. The upper class are too arrogant and superior for those words to even give a clear picture of them. The lower class are easily led. All have been bred (for centuries) to bow to authority and to expect the govt. to take care of them.

Their leaders give out such scurrilous tripe as this to keep them corraled, and their mind on the bogey man instead of what is happening in their country and Europe. Something like the main media over here give out.

After all, these people went from Frederich der Grosse down to a pathetic attempt at democracy, and then gave it all up for the little nonentity with the toothbrush moustache and the huge ego. I believe it was a lot like those who slavishly and sheepishly follow the Clintons.

This does not, of course, obtain for all Germans, but unfortunately
the shoe fits for too many. Let those who have ears hear and those capable of analysis connect the dots.

vaudine
27 posted on 10/16/2003 6:42:38 PM PDT by vaudine
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So many folks are so emotionally invested in the USA being almost god-like in control of everything, including their poverty(Middle East, Asia), their economy(Europe) that they cannot fathom the USA being vulnerable. Hence, any attack on the USA must have come from within. We are a victim of our own sucess as far as they are concerned. Toss in an unaturally healthy version of Anti-semitism and you get 20% of Germans that think Bush ordered the attacks. That Bush Lied.

What did he know, when did he know it! It wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon(disproved), It wasn't a plane that hit the first tower(disproved), the towers were imploded(ludicrous top down implosion debunked) on and on. One need only visit some rather high traffic sites on the net to see this live and festering. It's sickening. They aren't so much "anti-Bush" as they are CIA conspiricists or whatever.

Gag me. I could give you links to sites where this runs rampent.

Too bad there isn't control to the level these nutcases suggest. If there were, Wahhabists would be in the closet and main street USA wouldn't be at risk to some ***kwit willing to blow himself up in the name of Allah.

-Mal
28 posted on 10/16/2003 6:43:19 PM PDT by Malsua
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Plus they have nice beaches and a few other goodies. So why didn't we invade Mexico?

Heck, Mexicans would die for the chance to become Americans, even if it meant being invaded

29 posted on 10/16/2003 6:43:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Please visit www.geocities.com/geronl and http://freestateparty.50megs.com)
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To: resistmuch
like ten divisions of Marines passing them

I'm not sure we have 10 divisions anymore

30 posted on 10/16/2003 6:44:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Please visit www.geocities.com/geronl and http://freestateparty.50megs.com)
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To: blam
I don't know why they complain that they think we are anti-European when they have these insane attitudes toward us. I also don't know why on earth we would want the cooperation of these @ssholes on anything, least of all Iraq.
31 posted on 10/16/2003 6:45:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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What is wrong with these people?

Their economy sucks so they figure to start another war and we'll kick their butts then come back in and rebuild them again.

32 posted on 10/16/2003 6:45:47 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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He thinks we're like his kin, ie we pulled the old "torch the Reichstag" trick.
33 posted on 10/16/2003 6:50:00 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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Exactly.I found the source for more 911 conspiracy theories.Google American Free Press.The Pentagon story is unbelievable..but conspiracy buffs love this stuff.
34 posted on 10/16/2003 6:55:49 PM PDT by MEG33
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Yes, it is true. You can tell it just from the economics. The cost of 911 is in the billions, the cost of warring with afghanistan and iraq in more billions. The cost of establishing further peace in these countries is MORE BILLIONS.

The take from the oil over there is going to be less than a few million.

Yup.. We did it for the bux! Haliburton is grinning!

PAH and a pox on the kraut haus!


35 posted on 10/16/2003 6:59:20 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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"What is wrong with these people?"

THey judge everyone else by their own corrupt ethics.
36 posted on 10/16/2003 7:05:41 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

Rest assured he is wrong, but we will never be able to pull his Nazi head out of his ass.

I think it's natural, for folks on the wrong side of an issue - or too cowardly to get on the right side, to invent a "cover story" to excuse or cover their cowardness.

Semper Fi

37 posted on 10/16/2003 7:10:11 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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Heck, what about Germany?"

Well I was trying to think 'bigger' (I didn't mention France either);-)

38 posted on 10/16/2003 7:14:50 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: blam; snopercod
Bull.

If the terrorists had targeted Berlin, various governments of the Middle East and their political bases would have lain in ruins long before our "kindler, gentler invasion of Iraq," in addition to Germany becoming the manager for the export of a big chunk of the world's current oil "out sourcing."

The Germans would still be building up their military, and in addition, THEY WOULD BE PURCHASING AIRCRAFT FOR MILITARY TRANSPORT on a scale that President Bush should have set on Sept. 12, 2001.

39 posted on 10/16/2003 7:16:19 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary. (Merge Right!))
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What is wrong with these people? It's genetic...they followed Hitler also.

After the WWII, Germans were reeducated to be distrustful of nationalist governments and see terrorist attacks in light of the Reichstag fire. They see Hitler under every bed and are afraid to follow.

40 posted on 10/16/2003 7:22:10 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: blam
It's a regular hatred of secular socialists. They consider themselves enlightened and despise our religious "backwardness." That feeling would've never developed into hatred had we not been stronger than they are: if they are in step with the future, it is they who should be stronger. The same thing happened in the Soviet Russia.

If you think about it, it is essentially the same psycholigical fabric as that behind the hatred of Islam towards us: they are convinced that we are morally inferior, with our decadent movies and fashions --- it is they, therefore, who must be ahead. Instead they are weak to the point of impotence. This combination, it seems to me, always leads to hatred.

Once a person succums to hatred, selective retention and processing of information begins, which is why we see otherwise educated and intelligent people speak and write total nonsense when it comes to the object of hatred. The above-mentioned former ministers are reasonably smart, I am sure. Having retained only the facts that support their theories, they are genuinely convinced that they are correct in their assessment of America. And now they write books to convince others. The same phenomenon as in the Arab world, where Oxford-educated elite truly believe that Jews run America and the rest of the world.

41 posted on 10/16/2003 7:32:34 PM PDT by TopQuark
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What is wrong with these people?

Germans have historically responded well to lies.

43 posted on 10/16/2003 7:47:53 PM PDT by Modernman ("In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women."-Homer)
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To: blam
I suspect the dims hoped for something to happenbefore the 2000 election, to keep them in. It came too late. They gambled and lost. And could give a damn less about the country, or the libs that did on 9/11.
44 posted on 10/16/2003 7:56:58 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Prodigal Son
What's wrong with bashing Germany? You make it sound like they don't deserve it.
45 posted on 10/16/2003 8:00:25 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Prodigal Son
Where have you been living in Germany?

I lived in two different German cities for a total of over two years and just returned to the US last month. I can't begin to tell you how often I heard ordinary Germans of all ages, from all economic classes and educational levels, continuously spouting this crackpot theory ever since the end of about a month-long "grace" period following the September 11th terrorist attacks. Even Christian Democrat business executives would spout this garbage to me!

And Germans love to refer to the highly-revered Michael Moore as an expert source in such discussions.

In fact, I am amazed that the figure cited in the posted article is not higher than 20 percent.
46 posted on 10/16/2003 8:43:47 PM PDT by MissouriForBush
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To: Rocky
I don't think they do.
47 posted on 10/16/2003 8:52:51 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: MissouriForBush
Well, I lived in Kitzingen, Erlangen, Schweinfurt, Willingen. For a total of eight years. Speak fluent German. Can talk politics with the natives. Married a German lady. Have property there. Have many German friends and family.

I trust my own judgement thanks. You're entitled to your opinion though. I'm sure you feel like you have known enough Germans intimately to judge them all though.

48 posted on 10/16/2003 8:55:15 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: blam
Dresden did not happen either.

It was concocted to draw funds into their country after their humiliating defeat.
49 posted on 10/16/2003 9:02:39 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Post 9-11 We canít allow ourselves to be endangered by doubters (Dems) of our right to be safe.)
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To: Prodigal Son
Sorry, but that was my experience and I do not and did not go out of my way to seek negative confrontations with Germans or anyone else, for that matter.
50 posted on 10/16/2003 9:11:51 PM PDT by MissouriForBush
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