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Battle Of Bannockburn Stirrups Unearthed
Scotsman ^ | 10-17-2003 | George Mair

Posted on 10/17/2003 2:45:19 PM PDT by blam

Battle of Bannockburn stirrups unearthed

GEORGE MAIR

ARCHAEOLOGISTS claim to have discovered the first physical evidence of the Battle of Bannockburn.

A pair of horse stirrups, found earlier this year on a flood plain believed by most historians to be the site of the decisive second day of the battle, have been dated to the 14th century.

They were unearthed by Tony Pollard and Neil Oliver, two archaeologists working on the final day of excavations for the forthcoming BBC2 series Two Men in a Trench.

The badly-corroded iron stirrups are thought to have belonged to an English knight, probably one of the 10,000 English invaders killed in the battle.

Laboratory tests carried out at Glasgow University reveal the items, which are not a matching pair, were once coated in shiny metal, suggesting they belonged to a wealthy English knight of the heavy cavalry. They are believed to have been torn off in the heat of battle.

Mr Pollard, 38, said: "The stirrups are the first archaeological finds to be retrieved from the site in 700 years.

"We can only assume that the ground was very muddy at the time.

"Thousands of men would have churned up the land and bucket loads of things would have been dropped.

"The English were routed, and those who survived would have left the field in panic, leaving things like weaponry and armour behind.

"After medieval battles it was common for scavenging to take place. Iron weaponry may also have eroded to nothing in the damp, carse soil, and we are left to discover the little which remains."

The stirrups were discovered after several days scouring fields around the Carse, near Stirling, with metal detectors.

It was only on later examination that their importance became evident. Mr Pollard said: "We didn’t know what they were at first, because they just looked like unusual lumps of iron.

"It was only when we got back to the lab, cleaned them up and had a good close look at them that we saw what they were."

Stirling Council’s regional archaeologist, Lorna Main, who has investigated possible Battle of Bannockburn sites, said:

"They are the first physical evidence ever found from the battle, and they help to substantiate the theory of fighting on the Carse."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; artifacts; bannockburn; battle; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; scotland; stirrups; unearthed

1 posted on 10/17/2003 2:45:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"Scots, wha hae wi' Wallace bled,
Scots, wham Bruce hae aften led,
Welcome tae yir gory bed,
Or to victory!"

etc. etc.

2 posted on 10/17/2003 2:46:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: blam
Somebody unhorsed by a Knight Templar?
3 posted on 10/17/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: AnAmericanMother
I have that song on tape.

It is also the song which opens the highland games at Grandfather Mountain North Carolina. At least it was the last time I was there years ago. The melody is what I would call haunting.

4 posted on 10/17/2003 2:50:21 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
I used to compete in Highland Dancing at Grandfather.

Of course that was a LONG, LONG time ago - I think the last year I competed must have been '73 or '74. :-D

It's a good song. As a Highlander, I prefer the Gaelic songs, but that's just me.

5 posted on 10/17/2003 2:54:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: blam

6 posted on 10/17/2003 2:54:52 PM PDT by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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To: blam
I collect rare stirrups. I have a pretty extensive collection. It looks like I have another set of "Holy Grail" stirrups to lust over.
7 posted on 10/17/2003 2:55:55 PM PDT by vetvetdoug (..the hour is getting late)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I competed at the highland games too. Probably 1970 or 71. I really think I would have won the 100 but they held the 220 first. I had not worked out for a couple of months and did not realize how out of shape I had gotten.

I was leading everyone at 150 yards by about 20 feet then the bear jumped on my back. I think I finished 3rd. They ran the 100 about 10 minutes later and my legs were like rubber. I think I still finished about 3rd again.

8 posted on 10/17/2003 3:01:10 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Pokey78
Battle Of Bannockburn Sequence Of Events


9 posted on 10/17/2003 3:07:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: yarddog
"By the beard of my father! but ye are whelps of the true breed. Why so keen, then, to be soldiers?"

"That we may fight the Scots," they answered. "Daddy will send us to fight the Scots."

"And why the Scots, my pretty lads? We have seen French and Spanish galleys no further away than Southampton, but I doubt that it will be some time before the Scots find their way to these parts."

"Our business is with the Scots," quoth the elder; "for it was the Scots who cut off daddy's string fingers and his thumbs."

"Aye, lads, it was that," said a deep voice from behind Alleyne's shoulder. Looking round, the wayfarers saw a gaunt, big-boned man, with sunken cheeks and a sallow face, who had come up behind them. He held up his two hands as he spoke, and showed that the thumbs and two first fingers had been torn away from each of them.

"Ma foi, camarade!" cried Aylward. "Who hath served thee in so shameful a fashion?"

"It is easy to see, friend, that you were born far from the marches of Scotland," quoth the stranger, with a bitter smile. "North of Humber there is no man who would not know the handiwork of Devil Douglas, the black Lord James."

"And how fell you into his hands?" asked John.

"I am a man of the north country, from the town of Beverley and the wapentake of Holderness," he answered. "There was a day when, from Trent to Tweed, there was no better marksman than Robin Heathcot. Yet, as you see, he hath left me, as he hath left many another poor border archer, with no grip for bill or bow. Yet the king hath given me a living here in the southlands, and please God these two lads of mine will pay off a debt that hath been owing over long. What is the price of daddy's thumbs, boys?"

"Twenty Scottish lives," they answered together.

"And for the fingers?"

"Half a score."

"When they can bend my war-bow, and bring down a squirrel at a hundred paces, I send them to take service under Johnny Copeland, the Lord of the Marches and Governor of Carlisle. By my soul! I would give the rest of my fingers to see the Douglas within arrow-flight of them."

- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle The White Company

(a very good read, BTW)

10 posted on 10/17/2003 3:13:51 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: yarddog
I competed every year from about '68 until '72 or '73, but I was over on the other side of the field at the dancing platform! :-D

I won the Intermediate Championship one year - I still have that tacky old trophy bashing around here somewhere. I went to dance camp for 3 weeks before Grandfather - so I didn't have a chance to get out of shape.

It creeps up on me quicker every year though . . . now it seems like I only have to miss one morning jog to feel like the Mother of All Bears is hitching a ride . . . :-(

11 posted on 10/17/2003 3:16:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I am almost certain I once read that Robert Burns chose the tune to "Scots Wha Hae" because it was the same one which Robert Bruce had chosen to be played at Bannockburn. I think the tune was an old one.
12 posted on 10/17/2003 3:19:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam
Lovely to see our history.
13 posted on 10/17/2003 3:31:39 PM PDT by Khurkris (Scottish/HillBilly - Revenge is an Art Form for us. Ranger On...)
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To: blam
Lovely to see our history.
14 posted on 10/17/2003 3:37:51 PM PDT by Khurkris (Scottish/HillBilly - Revenge is an Art Form for us. Ranger On...)
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To: Khurkris
Interesting tag line.
Conversation on revenge I overheard:
"You should be more forgiving, God said "Revenge is mine, I will repay"
"I must be about my Father's business!"
15 posted on 10/17/2003 3:40:46 PM PDT by Central_Floridian
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To: AnAmericanMother
I was at the highland games in 1994. I love the dancing. It looks pretty simple but suspect it really isn't.

My Daddy had been several times in the 70's but he really was frustrated this time because the traffic was horrible. He said that would be our last time.

16 posted on 10/17/2003 3:45:41 PM PDT by Shanda
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm of mixed race, but no Scot as far as I know. More's the pity. I really like them for some reason.

Since I was a child I've liked bagpipe music and gaelic folksongs. I have no problem understanding Scots when they speak. As a little colored girl from the city, I have no idea why I have this affinity for the Scottish. Maybe reincarnation?
17 posted on 10/17/2003 3:54:43 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: yarddog
I competed at the highland games too.

No...wait..that wasn't me.

18 posted on 10/17/2003 4:01:58 PM PDT by ALASKA (That's my own personal, correct opinion and I'm going with it!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
0 Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.
19 posted on 10/17/2003 4:28:18 PM PDT by Slainte
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To: radiohead
I'll bet you have some ancestors from Cape Breton Island N.S. or thereabouts. Plenty of black folk up there spoke Gaelic. One of them features in Kipling's novel Captains Courageous.

My husband is only vaguely Scottish - his mom is half aboriginal Irish and half Bremen German, his dad is a Heinz 57 from central Georgia whose mother was a Dunbar (lowland Scot, not Highland). But he wears his kilt and enjoys himself just the same.

20 posted on 10/17/2003 4:36:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Shanda
The Highland dancing is complex and very technical (and exhausting - it's all danced on half point and you never really come down, lots of changes in the air). I retired from that long ago, except for an occasional burst of exuberance in the middle of the eightsome reel. I do still do the Sword Dance (Gille Calum) occasionally because I like it so much, but if I do more than 2 and 1 I get very out of breath.

Scottish Country Dancing is much more fun and more accessible for everybody. The steps are not as complicated, and there are plenty of slow and easy dances for the beginner. At most Highland Games the SCDers invite passersby onto the platform for a simple dance every 4-5 dances or so. Of course, then the hard core folks get up and do something scary like "Irish Rover" ("reel, dammit, reel!"). Demolition Derby! :-D

21 posted on 10/17/2003 4:41:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: blam

“We fight not for glory not for wealth nor honour
but only and alone we fight for freedom
which no good man surrenders but with his life.”

22 posted on 10/17/2003 5:39:35 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: radiohead
I suspect you have Scot somewhere in your ancestry, yet undiscovered. The call of the clans and the pipes is a signe of the heritage.

As my clan chief said, "the call of the clans is to the tenth generation."

23 posted on 10/17/2003 5:46:17 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: radiohead
"I have no idea why I have this affinity for the Scottish. Maybe reincarnation?"

LOL, me too and I'm English.

24 posted on 10/17/2003 5:50:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: AnAmericanMother
North Carolina got it's nick-name "Tarheels' from the early Scots, mid-1700's.
25 posted on 10/17/2003 5:53:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: AnAmericanMother
"What is the price of daddy's thumbs, boys?"

"Twenty Scottish lives," they answered together.

"And for the fingers?"
"Half a score."

"When they can bend my war-bow, and bring down a squirrel at a hundred paces, I send them to take service under Johnny Copeland, the Lord of the Marches and Governor of Carlisle. By my soul! I would give the rest of my fingers to see the Douglas within arrow-flight of them."

- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle The White Company



An exceptionally good read indeed!

26 posted on 10/17/2003 6:36:39 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: AnAmericanMother
While I suspected it was more different than it appeared, I didn't realize it was that hard.

I guess I wouldn't be allowed to do it anyway since I am more Irish and English than Scot.

27 posted on 10/18/2003 6:31:41 AM PDT by Shanda
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To: radiohead
Ah...you'd be surprised what heritage may hide....here's a link to an article posted here a few weeks back:

Black music from Scotland? It could be the gospel truth
http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=961062003

28 posted on 10/18/2003 12:54:33 PM PDT by Katya
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To: concentric circles
As long as a hundred of us remain alive we will never be subject to tyrannical domination, because it is not for glory or for riches or honours that we fight, but for freedom alone which no worthy man loses except with his life. Taken from the “Declaration of Arbroath” 1320
29 posted on 10/18/2003 1:20:47 PM PDT by thrcanbonly1 ("I like sunsets on on the beach, long walks and belt-fed weapons.")
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To: Katya
Thanks so much for posting that! Talk about synchronicity! I was just telling a friend about the article but didn't remember enough to do a search.

30 posted on 10/18/2003 1:44:37 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: Shanda
One of the guys in our Scottish country dance group is one hundred percent German. Another guy is Polish. He got this incredibly ugly orange, yellow and red kilt from somewhere (I mean, it is REALLY ugly!) and calls it the "MacKoslosky tartan."

Anybody who wants to learn can get up and dance.

31 posted on 10/18/2003 3:56:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think Shanda is acting a little naive. She is the only person I really know on FR and I know for a fact that she can dance.
32 posted on 10/18/2003 5:15:42 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam
Bump from an Armstrong clan member :) (50% pure blood)
33 posted on 10/18/2003 5:34:10 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Stone Mt. Highland Games coming up.
Always try and make the Tattoo on thursday night.
The sound of massed bagpipe bands turns me on.
Unfortunately no "Sheets" tartan.
It is probably the only place in the state today
where "Dixie" can still be heard.

"Gentlemen, turn dem taps to."

Some times the Marine band from Albany comes up, that's a special treat for me.

Flowers of the Forrest and The Nutbrown Maid,
and the Campbell piobrach bump
34 posted on 10/18/2003 5:49:03 PM PDT by tet68 (multiculturalism is an ideological academic fantasy maintained in obvious bad faith. M. Thompson)
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To: yarddog; Shanda
Shouldn't be a problem. Not sure what sort of dance you do, Shanda, but if you have done even social dancing (two step, foxtrot, etc.) SCD will be no problem at all. There are only two basic moving steps and two setting (stationary) steps to learn, the rest is memorizing patterns on the floor. In that sense, it's like square dancing, but you actually dance instead of just shuffling. And you don't have the luxury of a caller! You have to remember it all (or your partner has to shout at you which is O.K. at the Games field but not at the Tartan Ball - at least not until later in the evening when everybody has drink taken)

Highland dancing is another matter, but that is a very specialized form of competitive dancing populated almost entirely by girls 16 and under. It uses the same basic steps as SCD though.

35 posted on 10/18/2003 5:50:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: tet68
Hey, we'll be out at the Games field tomorrow. Look for us around the Scottish Country Dancing platform.

My husband is easy to spot in a crowd. 6'6", 240#, short hair that used to be black and short full beard that used to be red (both are now mostly gray). Gordon (basically the Black Watch w/ yellow overstripe - what the BW calls "the Gordon's yellow streak" LOL) kilt and a genuine marten sporran (he used to make it "talk" for the kids when they were very small. Laff riot. . . . although maybe you had to be there . . .)

The rest of us look pretty average, but I'll have on my MacGregor (red) tartan skirt, my daughter will be wearing my old Atlanta Pipe Band kilt (Ancient MacKenzie wh. is mostly Electric Blue), and my son has outgrown his kilt so heaven knows what we'll be able to find to put him in . . . although I'm sure that Geoffrey Tailor will be happy to accommodate us . . .

36 posted on 10/18/2003 5:57:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother; yarddog
Thanks for the information.

I really was not being modest re:, my dancing ability.

37 posted on 10/19/2003 5:34:22 AM PDT by Shanda
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