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Iraq Daily: Saddam ordered training of Al-Qa'ida members
Memri ^ | Oct. 16, 2003 | Al-Yawm Al-Aakher

Posted on 10/17/2003 8:52:58 PM PDT by DarthMaulrulesok

"An Iraqi officer (L) [only identified by initial] tells us that one day a Land Cruiser belonging to the Personal Security Force (Al-Amn Al-Khass, responsible for the protection of Saddam Hussein) arrived and a senior officer from the Presidential Palace stepped out of it. He was one of those officers who used to stand behind Saddam, which means that he was one of [his] personal bodyguards. After a two-hour meeting with a select group of officers at the Special Forces School, we were informed that we would have dear guests, and that we should train them very well in a high level of secrecy - not to allow anyone to approach them or to talk to them in any way, shape, or form.

"A few days later, about 100 trainees arrived. They were a mixture of Arabs, Arabs from the Peninsula [Saudi Arabia], Muslim Afghans, and other Muslims from various parts of the world. They were divided into two groups, the first one went to Al-Nahrawan and the second to Salman Pak, and this was the group that was trained to hijack airplanes. The training was under the direct supervision of major general (M. DH. L) [only identified by initials] who now serves as a police commander in one of the provinces. Upon the completion of the training most of them left Iraq, while the others stayed in the country through the last battle in Baghdad against the coalition forces."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; iraq; nahrawan; salmanpak; terrorism; trainingcamps; waronterror
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Here is the smoking gun to connect Saddam to Al-Qa'ida.
1 posted on 10/17/2003 8:52:58 PM PDT by DarthMaulrulesok
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Bookmarked ... thanx for posting this.
3 posted on 10/17/2003 9:11:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: William Wallace; Victoria Delsoul; Prodigal Daughter; afraidfortherepublic; JohnHuang2; Budge; ...
Big PING! Didn't want you folks to miss this one. It is more important than the big networks will ever let the viewing public know!
4 posted on 10/17/2003 11:25:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN; Ragtime Cowgirl
Great article ... depicts exactly what we have been told by the administration from day one - that Saadumb was intimately involved in terrorist activities. This is only one of the reasons he was implicated as part of the Axis of Evil by our wonderful president.
5 posted on 10/17/2003 11:59:52 PM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Thanks for posting this, This is a subject that I hope gets alot of coverage.
6 posted on 10/18/2003 12:05:22 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Well, since this paper in Iraq is presumably not a partner with LA Times or Wash Post, since we are giving them full attribution as requested, and because we need to archive this and not leave the rest of the article subject to a disappearing link:

The independent Iraqi weekly Al-Yawm Al-Aakher reveals details on the training of Al-Qa'ida members operating under the orders of Saddam's Presidential Palace two months before the September 11 attacks. The following are excerpts from the article: [1]


Training At Nahrawan and Salman Pak

"An Iraqi officer (L) [only identified by initial] tells us that one day a Land Cruiser belonging to the Personal Security Force (Al-Amn Al-Khass, responsible for the protection of Saddam Hussein) arrived and a senior officer from the Presidential Palace stepped out of it. He was one of those officers who used to stand behind Saddam, which means that he was one of [his] personal bodyguards. After a two-hour meeting with a select group of officers at the Special Forces School, we were informed that we would have dear guests, and that we should train them very well in a high level of secrecy - not to allow anyone to approach them or to talk to them in any way, shape, or form.

"A few days later, about 100 trainees arrived. They were a mixture of Arabs, Arabs from the Peninsula [Saudi Arabia], Muslim Afghans, and other Muslims from various parts of the world. They were divided into two groups, the first one went to Al-Nahrawan and the second to Salman Pak, and this was the group that was trained to hijack airplanes. The training was under the direct supervision of major general (M. DH. L) [only identified by initials] who now serves as a police commander in one of the provinces. Upon the completion of the training most of them left Iraq, while the others stayed in the country through the last battle in Baghdad against the coalition forces."

Al-Qa'ida Group Headed by a Saudi Cleric

"I remember that the leader of the group was a Saudi cleric called [Muhammad], who was a fervent and audacious individual and did not require much training. He was highly skilled, and could fire accurately at a target while riding a motorcycle. Additionally, he used to deliver fiery sermons calling for Jihad and for fighting the Americans anywhere in the world. Surprisingly, this man's picture, alongside the commander of the Special Forces School, was televised several times before the beginning of the war and the fall of the former regime."

Training Supervised by the Fedayeen Command

"...The Fedayeen command [Fedayeen Saddam under Uday's command] supervised the 100 Al-Qa'ida fighters directly, to the extent that senior Fedayeen officers visited them constantly and inspected them almost daily, especially during the final days when they transferred them, late at night in two red trucks that belonged to the Ministry of Transportation, to an undisclosed destination. I witnessed that with my own eyes because on that day I was the duty officer."

Al-Qa'ida Members Participated in Battles Against U.S. Forces

"A few days before the beginning of the last war, we were surprised to see the same people whom we had trained return to the Special Forces School and with them 100 additional individuals. The high command asked us to re-train them and to divide them into several groups to be deployed in various areas in Iraq.

"Truth be told, most of these individuals competed to go to war and to the front lines. [2] Therefore, under pressure they participated immediately in extremely fierce battles that astonished the Iraqis and the Americans."

With the 11th Division in the Area of Al-Kifl

"On April 5, 2003 orders were issued to send these individuals to the battle front immediately. About 100 of them were sent to the 11th company division in Nasiriya. And for the sake of history I will say that this division's endurance was due to some formidable fighters, the commanding officer and members of Al-Qa'ida who fought with intensity and brutality that are seldom matched, while they were praising Allah: Allahu Akbar… Allahu Akbar… What I mean by that are the violent battles that took place along the rapid highway for seventeen consecutive days and forced the Americans to withdraw and re-enter from the industrial area of Nasiriya … As for the groups which went to Al-Kifl, they participated in extremely brutal battles. Not many of them retreated and they sacrificed their lives to Apache [helicopter] fire, amid the admiration of the Iraqis and the Americans themselves. The proof is that some of them blew themselves up in the midst of American forces."


[1] Al-Yawm Al-Aakher (Iraq), October 16, 2003.

[2] According to the article, a number of the individuals also fought in Afghanistan: "Most of [the people] I talked to confirmed to me that they had come from Afghanistan and the Pakistani mountains, and that they were the ones who fought the Americans in Mazar Al-Sharif and Kabul. This was a true experience that they translated into the reality of the fierce battles in Iraq."


7 posted on 10/18/2003 4:41:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
bump
8 posted on 10/18/2003 5:09:42 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks for the ping. Yes, very important.
9 posted on 10/18/2003 5:35:54 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Nice to see that some of them became Apache fodder.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

10 posted on 10/18/2003 5:38:54 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Drop the sushi, clic on my pic, and visit my blog. Or else!")
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
But...but...this can't be. Just ask Mr. Lambert...Who's Mr. Lambert you ask...Click here to see what Mr. Lambert thinks about this subject, and FOX News. Paging Mr. Lambert...
11 posted on 10/18/2003 5:40:40 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: DarthMaulrulesok; MHGinTN; AFPhys; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; ...
Thank you for the post and the pings!

"...The Fedayeen command [Fedayeen Saddam under Uday's command] supervised the 100 Al-Qa'ida fighters directly, to the extent that senior Fedayeen officers visited them constantly and inspected them almost daily, especially during the final days when they transferred them, late at night in two red trucks that belonged to the Ministry of Transportation, to an undisclosed destination. I witnessed that with my own eyes because on that day I was the duty officer."

Potential direct links between Saddam Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda - and 911, and Al Qaeda fighting w/ Saddam loyalists against US troops during the war.

Not sexed up.

 Thanks, Tonkin!

If you want on or off my Pro-Coalition ping list, please Freepmail me. Warning: it is a high volume ping list on good days. (Most days are good days).

12 posted on 10/18/2003 5:46:27 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( I am very optimistic that the fruits of our labor will pay huge dividends in the future.~ Gen Myers)
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
The free press in Iraq is starting to come online!

Wait till Saddam is gone for sure, then stuff will come out the world has never seen!
13 posted on 10/18/2003 6:10:41 AM PDT by No!
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Thanks for posting this excellent article. I hope that they find video's of when some these guys were on Iraqi TV before the war started.
14 posted on 10/18/2003 6:11:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the ping.

Another good article for your collection of reality versus the left wing spin from Reuters, AFP, AP and the NY Slimes.
15 posted on 10/18/2003 6:12:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
More importantly..........Has Ted Kennedy been informed of this?
16 posted on 10/18/2003 6:16:13 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: Grampa Dave
The mainstream press is starting to realize that they can't silence 23 million newly freed Iraqis, many now with access to cell phones and the net. (whoo hoo!)

8 Iraqi Columnist: The Occupation of Iraq Means Liberty, Even if the Whole World Maintains Otherwise

17 posted on 10/18/2003 7:13:45 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( I am very optimistic that the fruits of our labor will pay huge dividends in the future.~ Gen Myers)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Potential direct links between Saddam Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda - and 911, and Al Qaeda fighting w/ Saddam loyalists against US troops during the war ~ Double Bump!
18 posted on 10/18/2003 7:28:03 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the ping. In President Bush's speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (insert flightsuit visual here), he stated that Saddam had aided al Qaeda:

The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the "beginning of the end of America." By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.

In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists, and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals, and educate all of their children. Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a Special Operations task force, led by the 82nd Airborne, is on the trail of the terrorists and those who seek to undermine the free government of Afghanistan. America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.

From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting down al Qaeda killers. Nineteen months ago, I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight, nearly one-half of al Qaeda's senior operatives have been captured or killed.

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.


19 posted on 10/18/2003 7:28:33 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Mr. and Mrs Sarandon and other like minded leftist fools
won't care. The far left knows the truth, but their
hatred for America as the epicenter of World Capitalism
is so great that logic, facts, and evidence mean nothing.
They are at their happiest when America is being attack.
They are al-qaeda's fifth column.
20 posted on 10/18/2003 8:00:16 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Arafat delenda est! Arafat must be destroyed!)
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To: ohioWfan; Wphile; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE; doug from upland; Carl/NewsMax; Sean Hannity
Don't know anything about this newspaper (Iraqi) and am disappointed that the interviewee only gave out his initials..but it would seem the information he has given out could be checked out in Iraq---and IF the training grounds for these 100 muslim al qaeda terrorists, the two the man speaks of, ESPECIALLY the training ground for the airline hijackings can be proven....

THEN AMERICA HIT THE RIGHT NATION IN RETALIATION FOR 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO questions asked. This demonstrates a SOLID link between saddam and osama.

How I pray this article is followed up on and not left to die in the dust of the biased, hitlerian propagandists in our mainstream press.

I confess-I WOULD LOVE to hear of katie colic choking on her own venomous spittle as she reports the connection.

Payback is SUCH a bitch.

And it should be...when you consider that the leftist is TRYING to break America's trust with our President and our HURT our TROOPS morale for nothing more than to win an election.

Beyond pathetic. Into treason.

21 posted on 10/18/2003 8:20:38 AM PDT by Republic
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Great find! Thanks for posting it.

Now for the question -- why isn't this front page news in the main media? Why isn't the main media researching this and doing stories on this, instead of researching whom Arnold may or may not have groped 30 years ago?

I would say this would be much more important.
22 posted on 10/18/2003 8:28:20 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
Here is another article summarizing several specifics things, which are evidence of connection between Saddam and the terrorists, which is being ignored by the main media.

A Terrorist Sugar Daddy Named Saddam (MUST READ -- factual info)

23 posted on 10/18/2003 8:31:00 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: MHGinTN
Bookmark great news.

Thanks MHG

24 posted on 10/18/2003 8:44:39 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
No doubt the Iraqi press will print more such articles.

Don't look for most of the American Media to pick up the stories. They are too busy quoting Kennedy, clinton, and other Liberals from Al Qaeda's cheering section.

25 posted on 10/18/2003 9:21:06 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
This is potentially "hugh".

Thanks for posting. are there ANY journalist in America with the guts to follow this up? Step forward!

(sound of crickets)

26 posted on 10/18/2003 9:35:12 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: moodyskeptic
For your information; note the date.

Containment versus Pre-emptive Deterrence and Regime Change: 3/22/2003
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_4813.shtml

This past week, in The British House of Commons, an insulting little man named Cook asserted that had Al Gore been sworn in as President, the world would not now be facing the prospect of war in the Middle East.

Poor Mister Cook was defending the policy of containment through inspections. Containment without muscle on the ground to back it up when dealing with a despotic demon like Saddam Hussein is a fool’s errand … or worse, an exercise in delayed suicide, for expedience sake. But that’s what appeasement and postponement have usually meant.

Aside from the bitter irrationality of raising the United States elections as an excuse for Saddam’s twelve-year defiance of agreed to terms in the 1991 cease-fire, and aside from the irrationality of implying different tactics of a failed politician from two previous terms in office, this alcoholic Brit points to an issue that should be addressed, immediately, before the obstructionists in America gain further traction with this foolishness.

What of containment, the Clinton administration’s chosen policy toward Iraq and terrorism? Has it worked? Would it work as a future policy in a worldwide war against terrorism by fanatical Islamicists? For Chirac and too many American politicians in and out of office, containment of terrorist sponsoring states is still the policy to follow. That’s why they so adamantly pushed the inspections regime; they calculate that leaving rogue regimes in power but containing those regimes through inspections can effectively deal with the threat posed by terrorist organization worldwide.

First, let’s be clear: abject failure at containment leads directly to such horrific tragedies as Kobar Towers, and the World Trade Center bombings, and the Bali bombing, and the USS Cole bombing, and the suicide murders on Israeli buses and in Israeli markets and restaurants, and bombings of U.S. Embassies in Africa, and … and you get the picture. Terrorists networks must have a country in which to be trained, and which under gird their finances and documents of identity.

Can failure of Iraqi containment be tied to the horror of 9/11/2001? YES! And to many other terrorist acts around the world.

While the Clinton administration pursued a policy of hit-and-miss containment, the Iraqi secret service sent officers into Afghanistan, to train al Qaeda operatives in the production and use of biological and chemical weapons. All during the Clinton administration’s policy of containment and inspections in Iraq, Saddam maintained a research facility at Salman Pak, developing chemical and biological weapons. Salman Pak was also maintained as a training camp, where operatives from several terrorist organizations received training in hijacking modern airliners with no more armament than sharp knives, received training in the use of weapons of mass destruction against civilian targets, received training in forgery and robbery as a means to maintain their presence in foreign countries, and received training in assassination methods.

Containment, at least as practiced by the previous administration, didn’t work. It was a feckless diversion from the truth that this nation can no longer afford to ignore: containment without force does not work to safeguard the civilian populations of nations that terrorists choose to target. And yet, there are vocal politicians in America still trying to push this approach by various means. They will not shut up until this feckless strategy is exposed and debated into rejection.

What of pre-emptive deterrence coupled with regime change? Well, when directed at the states sponsoring terrorists in order to employ them as weapons against other nations, it is the only thing that does work … as we have begun to prove with the Taliban’s sponsorship for al Qaeda, and we are about to discover regarding Iraq.

27 posted on 10/18/2003 9:51:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: No!
You raise a great ppoint ... the scientists who worked to build Saddam's WMD programs fear for their lives if they speak out before the maniac is toast. Some have already been assassinated by Saddam hit teams.
28 posted on 10/18/2003 9:54:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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bookmark
29 posted on 10/18/2003 9:56:43 AM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (Hey Mainstream News Media, We ain't buying what you're selling anymore!)
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To: Republic
You may have missed the reporting from Ollie North, as he rode with the MArines who took Salman Pak. He reproted things regarding the presence of 'foreigners' at that training camp that only Fox aired and then were quickly hushed. Salman Pak has been exposed for more than two years prior to the hostilities. Even Rush Limbaugh had a sattelite visual showing the fuselage of a modern jet at Slman Pak with accompanying story of the 'trainees'. A military interpreter/interrogator who reported the data from interviews he had with Iraqis was fired by the powers that be for sharing information on the al Qaeda connection via Salman Pak. I cannot recall his name, but I'm sure there are Freepers who know to whom I refer.
30 posted on 10/18/2003 10:01:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: DoctorMichael
did you forward ted a copy? and every other news outlet
31 posted on 10/18/2003 10:06:19 AM PDT by LADYAK
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
["I remember that the leader of the group was a Saudi cleric called [Muhammad], who was a fervent and audacious individual and did not require much training. He was highly skilled, and could fire accurately at a target while riding a motorcycle. Additionally, he used to deliver fiery sermons calling for Jihad and for fighting the Americans anywhere in the world." ]

I can't recall the last time a Roman Catholic Priest rode down the street firing a Kalishnakov from a motorcycle while threatening to kill Americans anywhere in the world. These Muslims "Clerics" sure are versatile.

32 posted on 10/18/2003 10:16:31 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
This just simply cannot be true. There is no connection between raq and Al-Qa'ida. Ask any demonRAT.
33 posted on 10/18/2003 10:18:03 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush
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To: JackRyanCIA
Let's see what happens....everyone send this article to your local news media....I have already sent to Senator Kennedy, Senator McConnell, Hannity, Hardball, MSNBC, CBS News, and NBC....let's see if anyone reports on this....so let's keep it going....
34 posted on 10/18/2003 10:21:06 AM PDT by LADYAK
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To: MHGinTN; DarthMaulrulesok
"Salman Pak has been exposed for more than two years prior to the hostilities." ~ MHGinTN

Here's an item. I'm looking for more on this in my personal computer archives and will post it in this thread if and when I find it.

Monday, July 28, 2003 12:49 p.m. EDT -NewsMax.com

Congressional Probers Ignored Evidence of Iraq-9/11 Link

The attorney who won a $64 million federal court judgment just two months ago in a case alleging that Iraq played a significant role in the 9/11 attacks was never contacted by congressional probers who were supposedly investigating the disaster.

Attorney James Beasley disputed the 9/11 committee's finding that there was no tie between Iraq and al-Qaeda, telling NewsMax.com on Monday, "There's a ton of stuff" that establishes the connection.

Beasley hinted that the selective review may be an attempt by some members of Congress to cover their tracks, explaining, "I'm not really sure what political motivation these guys have ... except that some of them knew about all this stuff before 9/11 and they're the same people who have concluded there's no connection between 9/11 and Iraq."

On May 7, Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer ruled that attorney Beasley and his legal team had presented enough evidence to convince a "reasonable jury" that Iraq played a material role in the deadly attacks.

Beasley's evidence included accounts from Czech government officials who continue to insist over CIA objections that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta indeed met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague five months before the attacks.

"We talked to the Czech ambassador to the U.S., the guy who kicked out [Iraqi ambassador to the Czech Republic] Ahmad al Ani two weeks after he met with Atta," Beasley told NewsMax. "He's absolutely sure that they met."

The Philadelphia attorney also called upon former CIA Director James Woolsey, who testified that he interviewed two terrorist instructors who say they trained radical Islamists at the south Baghdad terrorist training camp, Salman Pak.

Their regimen included practice sessions on how to hijack U.S.
commercial airliners using the exact methods employed on 9/11.

In separate testimony introduced in the case, Sabah Khodada, a Salman Pak instructor who defected to the U.S. in May 2000, said that his first reaction upon learning how the World Trade Center had been destroyed was "This was done by graduates of Salman Pak."

Last week, former Georgia Democratic Sen. Max Cleland, a 9/11 committee member, dismissed out of hand any evidence of a tie between Iraq and al-Qaeda, saying he accepted the denials from Osama bin Laden's camp.

"There's no connection, and that's been confirmed by bin Laden's terrorist followers," Cleland told reporters last Wednesday.

Sen Jon Corzine, D-N.J., echoed Cleland on Sunday, telling WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg, "There's nothing about any Iraq-al-Qaeda connection in the 9/11 report."

Attorney Beasley also told NewsMax that a separate probe by the independent commission investigating the 9/11 attacks had yet to contact his office.
35 posted on 10/18/2003 11:02:17 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: DarthMaulrulesok; Ragtime Cowgirl; M. Thatcher; holdonnow; Matt Drudge; quidam; MeeknMing; ...
Smoking gun, indeed, if it proves to be true!! If FoxNews doesn't pick it up soon, then Drudge surely will. And if neither of them do, we must make sure that this makes it into ElRushbo's "Stack O' Stuff" for when he returns to the Golden EIB microphone!!

Great catch...MUD

36 posted on 10/18/2003 11:04:32 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Matchett-PI
Appreciate the post. Do you recall the name of the interpreter who was dismissed for revealing connections between Saddam and al Qaeda?
37 posted on 10/18/2003 11:13:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Was his name Bill Tierney?... So much to remember!
38 posted on 10/18/2003 11:15:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
BTT
39 posted on 10/18/2003 11:17:54 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: MHGinTN; DarthMaulrulesok
Al-Qaeda chief told us Iraq supplied WMD material:
USSMH.COM.AU ^ | http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/09/1060360536966.html
August 9, 2003
Posted on 08/09/2003 5:35 AM EDT by Aeronaut
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960971/posts

A high-ranking al-Qaeda operative in custody disclosed that Iraq supplied the Islamist militant group with material to build chemical and biological weapons, the White House said today.

"A senior al-Qaeda terrorist, now detained, who had been responsible for al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, reports that al-Qaeda was intent on obtaining (weapons of mass destruction) assistance from Iraq," the White House said in a report. ....

The Bush administration cited links between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Baath party regime as justification for attacking Iraq to oust Saddam. The administration also insisted Saddam had chemical and biological weapons and was pursuing nuclear weapons.

The report quoted the unnamed prisoner as saying al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden turned to Iraq after concluding his group could not produce chemical or biological weapons on its own in Afghanistan.

"Iraq agreed to provide chemical and biological weapons training for two al-Qaeda associates starting in December 2000," the report said.

"Senior al-Qaeda associate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi came to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment, along with approximately two dozen al-Qaeda terrorist associates.

"This group stayed in Baghdad and other parts of Iraq and plotted terrorist attacks around the world."

The report, quoting the State Department, also says the fallen regime of Saddam Hussein "provided material assistance to Palestinian terrorist groups, including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad".

The Saddam regime, says the report, "posed a threat to the security of the United States and the world. With the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime, a leader who pursued, used and possessed weapons of mass destruction is no longer in power." ...
40 posted on 10/18/2003 11:21:04 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: MHGinTN
"Do you recall the name of the interpreter who was dismissed for revealing connections between Saddam and al Qaeda? Was his name Bill Tierney?..."

I don't remember, but I'm still looking. It could be that the information you're looking for is in one of the "replies" imbedded in one of those thread links I posted. I remember seeing what you're talking about, but don't recall the name. If I find it, I'll post it in this thread.

41 posted on 10/18/2003 12:24:19 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
not to be negative but. If I were a resently liberated person and wanted to be sure that the old guard or any new tyrant did not move in, i would make up just such a story to keep the liberators interested.

Can any of this be verified.


42 posted on 10/18/2003 1:05:55 PM PDT by Cercyon
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To: Matchett-PI
Here is some of what I have in my archives on Bill Tierney. I videotaped him on Fox in June. You could be right that he is the guy you are talking about because "...In addition to his knowledge of Iraq, Mr. Tierney worked as interpreter/interrogator at Camp X-Ray Guantanamo Bay January, February 2002", per an item I posted below my comments here about what I videotaped:

On Sat. 6-7-03 @9:20 AM I saw and taped Bill Tierney on Fox News Channel. Per my notes, he said this [pharaphrased & abreviated]:

"There ARE WMD's. The DIA's report ("no conclusive evidence because don't know EXACTLY where they are") was a conservative one as a result of consensus of the analysts' after looking at all available intelligence.

The DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) is now doing a CYA because they are not up to the task now that they have to stand on their own two feet. They have been too "risk averse" and haven't been agressive in intelligence gathering. They have relied too much on foreign intelligence."

Tierney's advice to those who are looking for WMD is to also go to the Ministry of Trade and look for certain names, and find who Saddam's trading partners were. Tierney said that those who are looking are just taking a pre-packaged list of possible sites and then just running those down one after the other. He said, "DIA is blowing it."

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6-14-03 Saturday night I saw Bill Tierney on John Kasich's "The Heartland". Dr. Imad Khadduri (former Iraq nuclear scientist?) was also on at the same time.

Khadduri is an anti-war, America basher who blames the Americans and the Brits for, "in effect raping Iraq for oil", etc.
His writings can be found all over the web at anti-war sites, of which "the yellow times" is one:
http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1411&mode=thread&order=0

Tierney barely got a word in edgewise, but after denying what Khadduri was saying, said that he does however, have a big problem with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the entrenched, risk averse bureaucrats there. He said that they were caught flat-footed at the speed with which the war was over. He said that they need to round up every single Baath Party member and make them talk, put them on trial, etc. He named a few names, but I didn't get them in my notes,. I have his and Khadduri's comments on videotape, though if I need to transcribe them.

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This was written before Gulf War II and while Hans Blix was still pretending to be "inspecting" in Iraq:

Former UNSCOM inspector believes Iraq already has nuclear weapons

Are there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Did they get smuggled out of Iraq or are they hidden, and if so, where?

In the late 1990s, weapons inspector Bill Tierney was held at gunpoint and not allowed to inspect one particular facility he believes could be the motherlode of WMD.

Yet, that very site is still not even on the list of sites visited by the Hans Blix inspectors. Why? Tierney also has Arabic documents showing that Saddam Hussein smuggled Weapons of Mass Destruction out of Iraq.

[Tierney says]: "I have seen enough to convince me that the Iraqis do have nukes, and I know exactly where they enriched the uranium to do so. For some time now, experts have said Iraq is moving towards a nuclear weapon. Secretary of State Powell emphasized Saddam's intense desire to obtain a nuclear weapon in his presentation before the Security Council.

Just how much time must pass before people are willing to say the Iraqis have arrived? Even the skeptics admit that the lingering obstacle has been accumulating enough enriched uranium for a weapon.

Without unambiguous evidence, most commentators are unwilling to make the call that the Iraqis have nukes.

As a former inspector and intelligence analyst involved with nominating inspection targets, allow me to lay out my case that the Iraqis have succeeded.

As groundwork, the Iraqis successfully ran a nuclear weapons development program during the eighties and hid it not only from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), but Western intelligence agencies as well. We know and appreciate how skilled they are at concealment.

Shortly after the start of weapons inspections in 1991, the Iraqis went to extraordinary efforts to move uranium enrichment equipment, specifically electro-magnetic isotope separation (EMIS) using calutrons, away from inspectors.

I will refer to this as the Kay Inspection, after David Kay, the chief inspector on the ground.

The Iraqis claimed to have unilaterally destroyed this equipment, but Khidr Hamza, formerly a nuclear weapons designer, stated in his book "Saddam's Bombmaker," that Iraq has the machine tools to easily rebuild this uranium enrichment equipment.

In 1996, during an inspection of Tuwaitha Nuclear Weapon Research Facility, the Iraqis attempted to drive a vehicle past a checkpoint with a document from the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council.

This document referred to mysterious coded projects. After we found the document, the Iraqis first tried to wrest it away in a tug of war, then managed to regain the document through another counter-inspection tactic.

This is an incredible amount of effort to hide information from UNSCOM. Tuwaitha is the workshop for constructing the bomb.

In September 1997, I took part in an interview inspection regarding the movement and concealment of uranium enrichment equipment from the Kay Inspection.

Scott Ritter had identified units and personnel involved with the concealment. Instead of providing these personnel, the Iraqis sent senior officers of the Special Republican Guards (SRG), along with intelligence officers and Jaffar Dhia Jaffar, head of the "atomic energy" program.

These officers attempted to pass off a pathetic cover story, which was promptly shredded. Scott then explained what actually happened, and that he believed the Iraqis still had the nuclear enrichment equipment. The Iraqis attempted to hide their panic.

The 4th Special Republican Guard Battalion was the unit that moved the nuclear enrichment equipment away from the Kay Inspection. I inspected this unit with Scott Ritter in June of 1997. The Iraqis held us up for a long period before allowing entry, while their minder in the UNSCOM helicopter caused a diversion by lunging for the flight controls.

Amir Al-Saadi, our high level escort, removed any mention of the unit commander during the time of the Kay Inspection, knowing that we would request to interview him. After the inspection, I learned that the Iraqis were extremely concerned that we would attempt to inspect a nearby, unnamed, location. They would not allow us in under any circumstances.

From having been on the inspection, I knew this information was referring to Jabal Makhul Presidential Site.

This is an extremely large site that takes up a swath of the Hamrin Mountain range. Its location makes it perfect for drilling deep tunnels into the side of the mountain. We inspected this site in September 1997.

General Muhammad Amir Rashid, a senior advisor to Saddam, drove 140 miles from Baghdad to the site, got out of his car, stated "there will be no inspection of this facility," got back in his car and drove off - completely against protocol.

In 2001, the London Sunday Times published an article by Gwynne Roberts on an Iraqi defector who claimed the Iraqis had several nuclear weapons in a heavily guarded bunker under the Hamrin Mountains. Jabal Makhul Presidential Site is the most heavily guarded location in the Hamrin Mountains.

From the additional detail provided by this source, I knew in my gut that this information was true. This explains why the Iraqis almost crashed the helicopter during the inspection at the 4th SRG Battalion - to keep it from going over the mountain to inspect the inside of Jabal Makhul Presidential Site.

The Iraqis may still store the weapons there, although any sensitive items were probably moved out before the presidential site "inspection" of March 1998, then again before the latest round of inspections.

So if the Iraqis do have nukes, where did they enrich the uranium? I believe the answer lies beneath what appears to the World as a power generation station for a water treatment plant in the vicinity of 3337North04420East.

A number of indicators point to this facility as a uranium enrichment processing plant. I do not have authority to discuss these indicators.

Further investigation of this facility with technical intelligence means revealed inconsistencies with a normal power generation plant.

High-tension power lines lead to the plant, but if it is not producing electricity, then the wires could provide electricity needed for the uranium enrichment.

Electro-magnetic isotope separation's major disadvantage is the large amount of electricity required.

A foreign contractor started to build this water treatment plant after the Gulf War, but halted half way through on the Iraqis' request. This allowed the Iraqis to document the "benign" intent of the facility, only later to finish it to the specifications required for a uranium enrichment plant.

In addition, this water treatment plant is only a few miles south and on the same side of the river at Tarmiya nuclear weapons research facility. Tarmiya was discovered to be the center for EMIS after the war. Workers could drive their cars to Tarmiya and then take a shuttle bus to where they really worked.

U.S. satellites would see activity at Tarmiya, with only a car or two at the water treatment plant. In addition, it is in a very pro-Saddam and secure area of Iraq.

After the hue and cry of civilian suffering from damage to water treatment plants after the Gulf War, what better place than a water treatment plant to hide a nuclear weapons facility?

This facility was installed in approximately 1996. Did it run, or was it just being prepared for operations after the sanctions?

I believe the Iraqis' steadfast refusal to allow random airborne radiation monitoring indicates that the facility has been active.

The water treatment plant was inspected three times in the early nineties, but never to check on an underground chamber under the power generation plant.

On one inspection, the team examined a liquid nitrogen plant near the water treatment plant because they suspected a connection to Tarmiya Nuclear Research Facility.

Nitrogen is used as an EMIS diffusion pump coolant. The inspectors' concern was a connection to Tarmiya, but the nitrogen was really intended for the nearby under-ground EMIS plant.

I brought this to the attention of WMD analysts within the U.S. government, but they were not interested, based on the no findings from the previous UNSCOM/IAEA inspections. I disagree with their assessment.

Why make this public? Won't the Iraqis just scramble and move everything before the inspectors arrive? They may get some or all of the machined parts out, but there is no way they can fit an underground chamber on the back of a truck. They probably won't be able to mask radiation either.

Furthermore, it is possible that if the inspections run their course without investigating these sites, and Saddam faces a military attack, he could announce then that he has nuclear weapons as a means to deter our invasion of Iraq.

Mr. Blix, Mr. Baradei, please inspect within the area circled on the accompanying map. Look for a chimney or the remnants thereof, follow the power lines, and check for a ramped entrance. The ramp will be concealed against overhead detection.

Your ground-penetrating radar teams should be able to find it. If I am wrong, then it will only mean three hours and a few gallons of gasoline lost. Please inspect this site.

--Bill Tierney

Mr. Tierney is a former UNSCOM inspector and intelligence analyst at Central Command HQ. He currently works as an international background investigator for Owens OnLine, Inc.

...In addition to his knowledge of Iraq, Mr. Tierney worked as interpreter/interrogator at Camp X-Ray Guantanamo Bay January, February 2002

...Trained in Arabic language and Iraqi dialect (honor graduate) and interrogation

Became warrant officer in 1990.

Participated in Gulf War as liaison officer to Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Egyptians. Was interrogator during ground offensive phase.

Obtained Master Degree in Middle East Studies - Arabic in 1993.

Led counterintelligence team at Haitian Refugee Camp, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba 1994.

Stationed at Central Command HQ 1995 as command interpreter, intelligence analyst, and targeting specialist.

Participated in nine UNSCOM inspections 1996 - 1998, most focused on the Iraqi concealment mechanism.

Left the Army in July 2000 .

Worked as linguist at Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia August 2000 to Sept., 2001.

Worked as interpreter/interrogator at Camp X-Ray Guantanamo Bay January, Feb., 2002

Hired as international background investigator, compliance officer, sales and marketing, project officer with Owens Online, Inc. Tampa FL August 2002. ...

Source: Globe-Intel.net
43 posted on 10/18/2003 1:48:29 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: MHGinTN
I meant to address my post at #43 to you (instead of to myself:)
44 posted on 10/18/2003 3:29:48 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: Matchett-PI
Wow! Thanks very much. So, it was Bill Tierney. ['Need more Ovaltine, mom.' Sadly, at my age it doesn't help. I need that hightest, leaded, from the coffee bean machine!]
45 posted on 10/18/2003 3:33:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: AFPhys
It seems blatantly obvious that he (Hussein) would have sought out Al Qaeda. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," is an axiom as old as warfare itself.
46 posted on 10/18/2003 3:54:19 PM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; DarthMaulrulesok; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; autoresponder; MeeknMing
They were divided into two groups, the
first one went to Al-Nahrawan and the
second to Salman Pak, and this was the
group that was trained to hijack airplanes.

Which are you going to believe, your lying eyes, or Scott Ritter, traitor-pedophile?

47 posted on 10/18/2003 3:59:57 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
For $400,000 plus, Scott will say whatever you want him to say. Throw in an underaged girl to play with and he'll do anything you want him to do.
48 posted on 10/18/2003 4:03:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
And he can do that Baghdad Bob/
Long Island Railway Killer thing:

"My position has not changed."

I tell you there are none of these
WMDs to which you refer--no
more questions--I am late for my
date at Burger King!

49 posted on 10/18/2003 4:11:28 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MHGinTN
Ya know--I do remember that. I had forgotten! Why did the interpretor lose his job?
50 posted on 10/18/2003 8:06:50 PM PDT by Republic
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