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Terri Schiavo - CALL TO ACTION - Tallahassee Area
10-18-03 | phenn

Posted on 10/18/2003 5:53:43 AM PDT by phenn

As you may already know, Gov Jeb Bush has not yet taken steps to protect the life of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. This is in spite of memorandums of law from several notable legal scholars ensuring him that he has the legal authority and obligation to do so. People in the Tallahassee area of Florida are encouraged to hold vigil at the capitol offices as well as the Governor's mansion. Signs and banners can be fashioned inexpensively and will assist you in getting your message across. Please spread the word. Thank you.

-phenn-


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: activism; deathwithdignity; dehydration; demonstration; euthanasia; florida; freep; jebbush; judgegreer; legalmurder; michaelschiavo; protest; righttodie; righttolife; saveterri; starvation; terrischiavo; vigil
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1 posted on 10/18/2003 5:53:44 AM PDT by phenn
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To: phenn
Are you referring to this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003401/posts
2 posted on 10/18/2003 6:27:13 AM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: phenn; MarMema
As you may already know, Gov Jeb Bush has not yet taken steps to protect the life of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. This is in spite of memorandums of law from several notable legal scholars ensuring him that he has the legal authority and obligation to do so. People in the Tallahassee area of Florida are encouraged to hold vigil at the capitol offices as well as the Governor's mansion. Signs and banners can be fashioned inexpensively and will assist you in getting your message across. Please spread the word. Thank you. -phenn-
3 posted on 10/18/2003 6:49:35 AM PDT by maestro
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To: phenn
COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM?
4 posted on 10/18/2003 7:11:18 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: phenn
Alright, you guys go for it!!
5 posted on 10/18/2003 7:13:10 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: phenn
Let the poor woman die with a little dignity. Enough of this!
6 posted on 10/18/2003 7:24:29 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: AlaskaErik
>>Let the poor woman die with a little dignity.

I don't know how "dignified" it is to have an innocent woman condemned to death by starvation and dehydration.

7 posted on 10/18/2003 7:26:54 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: deannadurbin
I don't know how "dignified" it is to have an innocent woman condemned to death by starvation and dehydration.

The woman is clinically dead. Has been for years. Don't try to emotionalize it. It's time to let nature take its course.

8 posted on 10/18/2003 7:33:59 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: phenn
I'm sorry but this lady needs to meet her savior Jesus Christ.

I am so sick of pig-headed FReepers with these bogus "CALL TO ACTION! STOP THE LIBS! FREEPER ACTION NEEDED" over the top rants.

9 posted on 10/18/2003 7:36:49 AM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: AlaskaErik
Let the poor woman die with a little dignity. Enough of this!

Being openly murdered by your husband with the help of the State sure is dignified!

10 posted on 10/18/2003 7:38:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: AlaskaErik
If you seek the truth and wish to spread the truth, as your home page says, you would conclude that laughter and happy response and eye contact and physical movement are not part of the "clinically dead" assessment ... I've never heard of anyone clinically dead being a candidate for rehabilitation ...
11 posted on 10/18/2003 7:39:43 AM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: ServesURight
IN HIS HAND IS THE LIFE OF EVERY LIVING THING, AND THE BREATH OF ALL MANKIND ... Job 12:10

We are called to aid those in need, to pray and act ... just following orders.

12 posted on 10/18/2003 7:42:59 AM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: phenn
Thank you, phenn ... + continuing in prayer from Pennsylvania ...
13 posted on 10/18/2003 7:45:52 AM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Pegita
Amen.
14 posted on 10/18/2003 7:45:53 AM PDT by trustandobey
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To: AlaskaErik
>>The woman is clinically dead. Has been for years.

And you have been to visit her and have seen this for yourself?

>>Don't try to emotionalize it.

Yeah, I guess I should be as cold and heartless as you and Michael Schiavo.

>>It's time to let nature take its course.

Letting nature take its course would be to allow her to have food and water and then let God take her when He's ready. Circumventing the natural process is what is going on now.


15 posted on 10/18/2003 7:52:06 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: AlaskaErik
You are ignorant.
16 posted on 10/18/2003 8:01:57 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: deannadurbin
A feeding tube down your throat is hardly natural.

That said, I have no idea what Terri would want. But I know this, from what I have seen and heard of her I would not want her fate. I told my wife that if I'm in that condition give me a year to see if there's a chance of recovery, then let me go. I cant imagine being trapped in my own body like that for 13 years, unable to move or comunicate, sounds like another form of hell to me. But thats just me.
17 posted on 10/18/2003 8:06:30 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: phenn
Hmmmm...where's the ACLU, PETA and the anti-death penalty crowd on this one?
18 posted on 10/18/2003 8:06:53 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: AlaskaErik
The woman is clinically dead.

Look at this video and tell me she is clinically dead.

19 posted on 10/18/2003 8:08:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: heckler
>>A feeding tube down your throat is hardly natural.

It's not down her throat, it was in her stomach and was there for years.

Michael took the money that was supposed to be used for her rehabilitation and spent it on legal fees to pro-death attorneys in an attempt to end her life instead. It is the injustices of this case, and the callousness of it, that has gotten so many people fired up.

20 posted on 10/18/2003 8:10:28 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: heckler
If your wife collected a hugh settlement, took up with another man and had a child by him, would you still want her calling the shots about your life or death?
21 posted on 10/18/2003 8:16:03 AM PDT by pickyourpoison
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To: deannadurbin
A feeding tube in your stomach is not nature either. At least I know that I dont seem to have one.

I'm not criticizing people like you who are supporting her. I just pray that I never find myself on either side of a situation like this.

To all. Do your loved ones a favor and write out a living will, and be specific. Dont make them agonize over a situation like this.
22 posted on 10/18/2003 8:16:42 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: phenn
"Euthenasia" is murder!

Not life!
23 posted on 10/18/2003 8:18:15 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: pickyourpoison
If I were in her position I would prefer death naturally.

It's all in writing and is very specific. My father and oldest sister have a copy as well.
24 posted on 10/18/2003 8:19:15 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: heckler
>>A feeding tube in your stomach is not nature either.

Neither is starvation and dehydration.

>>At least I know that I dont seem to have one.

Even if you did it wouldn't mean that you are unworthy to have life.


25 posted on 10/18/2003 8:22:24 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: heckler
Do your loved ones a favor and write out a living will

A living will could be your death sentence. Legally, any "irreversible condition" such as a limp or high blood pressure qualifies you as a "terminal patient". And "no heroic measures" has often been interpreted as no water or food. What is a person to do? Go to the web site for the National Right to Life Committee (www.nrlc.org) and download a will to live for the state you live in. Then, and only then, you'll know that your wishes will be followed.

26 posted on 10/18/2003 8:26:58 AM PDT by Former Fetus (aren't we all?)
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To: ServesURight
I am so sick of pig-headed FReepers with these bogus "CALL TO ACTION! STOP THE LIBS! FREEPER ACTION NEEDED" over the top rants.

You obviously don't even know Jesus.

God shall not be mocked, what a man soweth he shall also reap.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Since you show no mercy for Terri, you shall obtain no mercy from God. Be afraid, be very afraid.

27 posted on 10/18/2003 8:30:23 AM PDT by SwordofTruth
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To: heckler
But I know this, from what I have seen and heard of her I would not want her fate.

Who would?

But thats just me.

Exactly!

The quality of her life is not really the question here unless you know for certain that living has no meaning to her. Even then you would be taking her opinion as to the meaning of life. She has awareness of herself and others and did not appear to be in physical or emotional agony.

The questions here are is her husband fit to be the one making decisions of life and death for her? Has the court been responsible in recognizing the husband as her legal guardian?

28 posted on 10/18/2003 8:42:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: heckler
Terri has put nothing in writing. Her witness is a husband who has become engaged to another woman and has a child by this other woman. He got over a million dollars in a settlement which was supposed to be used for Terri's rehab. He has spent that money on himself and attorneys fees.
According to her Terri's family, she was talking of divorcing her husband. Her husband has also refused releasing her medical records. Some people believe that there is evidence in the medical records that Terri was abused. She was only 26 when this happened.
If you had nothing in writing, and this was your wife instead of her husband, would it be to her advantage to get rid of you?
If I am brain dead, I see no reason for doctors to keep me breathing.
However if I was 39, and could be helped, I believe I would want that chance.
If it was abuse that put me in that condition, I would want justice.
Would you?
29 posted on 10/18/2003 8:52:12 AM PDT by pickyourpoison
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To: pickyourpoison
First of all in case you havent noticed from my posts I have not taken a position regarding Terri. I dont have enough facts to make a decision. I have only pointed out an error in logic (recieving nourishment through a tube is not natural), and what I would prefer for myself.

Secondly; in regards to her husband, (he may in fact be an animal, I dont know) it seems to me that it would be much easier on him to have divorced her and let here parents make her medical decisions. Does he have anything to gain from continuing this battle? Blowing money on attorneys seems to be of no benefit unless there is still a lot of money left. Is he using the money from the settlement on himself? I thought that in a settlement like this the money could not be touched by anyone except for her care. If he can in fact use that money on himself then the settlement was poorly done, a legal snafu. As for the other woman, its been what?..13 years? His wife is dead to him.

Is it possible that he really is doing what he truly believes his wife would want?

33 posted on 10/18/2003 9:16:41 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: donnyboy
>>You obviously don't know how to read. You are someone who hasn't visited her site.

You obviously don't know how to read because I didn't write she was clinically dead, AlaskaEric wrote that. I responded and said she wasn't.

Please make sure you hit reply to the right person. I have consistently defended Terri and her family and have a link to her website from my website and visit the site several times every day to check for updates.

34 posted on 10/18/2003 9:16:57 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: AlaskaErik
There is a simple way to determine if Terri wants to live. Offer her some food, if she wants to live she will open her mouth or make some gesture or movement towards wanting to eat (if she is not been made too debilitated by her starvation or the morphine). If you have ever worked with disabled adults you will find their desire to live is often extremely intense.
36 posted on 10/18/2003 9:19:27 AM PDT by tertiary01
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Dandelion Needs HELP! - Terri Schiavo Vigil
39 posted on 10/18/2003 9:23:05 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: heckler
The judge won't let the staff give her food or water by mouth, either. That is evil. Anyone that says it isn't hasn't thought through the ramifications. A baby can't feed himself. How far are we going to let this go?
41 posted on 10/18/2003 9:24:09 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: donnyboy
Pardon me NEWBYBOY, but I havent followed this story as closely as some of you have. I didnt know that there was a website.

If you'd pull your head out of your butt and try to comprehend what I just wrote you would realize that I was not defending her husband, only asking questions and speculating.

I noticed that you just registered today. Is that possibly because you have been banned before for being an ass?
42 posted on 10/18/2003 9:28:08 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
Thank you, I did not know this, its does indeed sound evil. Why this decision, does the court consider her to be brain dead?

And thank you for the civilized response, some here seem incapable of that.
43 posted on 10/18/2003 9:32:03 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: heckler
According to the court, and all the news we see on tv, Terri is in a coma. The judge determined that she was in a coma after hearing from two Drs for Michael Schiavo (including one who travels all over the country doing right to die testimony) say that she was in a persistive vegetative state and hearing more than 10 Drs for the Schindlers stating that she was not in a coma and could improve with therapy. Furthermore, the Doctor never allowed video or audio evidence in the court in order to see for himself her condition.
44 posted on 10/18/2003 9:39:24 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: heckler
(recieving nourishment through a tube is not natural),

That's quite true. Neither is setting a bone or taking antibiotics.

... it seems to me that it would be much easier on him to have divorced her and let here parents make her medical decisions.

It would have. They wanted him to. The settlement money is hers. If he relinquishes guardianship the money goes with her.

Does he have anything to gain from continuing this battle? Blowing money on attorneys seems to be of no benefit unless there is still a lot of money left.

There is a lot left. It is being used up while she is alive. He gets what's left when she is dead.

I thought that in a settlement like this the money could not be touched by anyone except for her care.

Apparently not true here.

As for the other woman, its been what?..13 years? His wife is dead to him.

So much for the 'for better or worse'. She is, in fact, not dead. Yet.

Is it possible that he really is doing what he truly believes his wife would want?

Go to the link I posted in #10 and take two minutes to read the bullet points I made there. Each one is true and they are not exhaustive. Then tell me who's interests he seems to be concerned about.

45 posted on 10/18/2003 9:40:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
Scratch Doctor, insert Judge.
46 posted on 10/18/2003 9:40:29 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
What's this judges background?
47 posted on 10/18/2003 9:48:54 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
Drs for Michael Schiavo (including one who travels all over the country doing right to die testimony)

...and hearing more than 10 Drs for the Schindlers stating that she was not in a coma and could improve with therapy.

Where the hell is Oprah? Is she doing a show on why women should be disarmed today or will it be about hairstyles that help you look smaller than the neighbor's Buick?

48 posted on 10/18/2003 9:49:10 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: TigersEye
Thank you, I'm learning quite a lot today. I just havent paid much attention to this story.
49 posted on 10/18/2003 9:50:26 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
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To: heckler
Not a problem. No one can keep up with everything.
50 posted on 10/18/2003 9:54:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Where there is life there is hope!)
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