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Best beginner rifle (Vanity)
Vanity ^ | 10-18-03 | Me

Posted on 10/18/2003 11:37:40 AM PDT by dogbyte12

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To: dogbyte12; yarddog; Travis McGee; Squantos; wardaddy
I borrowed a Swarovski 10x50 (SLC ?) while hunting last year and it literally turned night into day. What I couldn't see with my 8x30 Steiners showed up like a spot light through the Swarovski's and using them side by side during the day showed a marked reduction in "glare". I came pretty close to purchasing the 10x42 EL last year but that was one more of many thousand dollars too much to put into that hunt...

Getting back to the original question, which has probably been answered a couple hundred times already... I think the terrain would dictate which rifle to use. I took a 13 pound tactical rifle into the "juniper jungle" in the Kiabab area of Arizona last year and I was wishing the whole time I had a iron sight Model 94...or even a spear... This year I am going to hunt western South Dakota in the open prarie, much more suitable for the scoped rifle.

wardaddy, Brooke Burke ??? Yeowww !!! I had to go to church twice this morning after that post...

BTW: Pheasant opener was yesterday in South Dakota. My dad and his party limited out then and were half way there to filling it again today when I talked with him. Hot weather though, his dog got dehydrated and was vomiting, they did loose one...He hunted like a champ up to his last breath then gave up the chase...what a way to go.

441 posted on 10/19/2003 2:24:19 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: harpseal
I've been looking at the Walther P22 lately. I've got a Ruger 22/45 but it's just too heavy for carrying in a day pack and is about the size of a Colt Commander.

This weapon is very versitile, can be had with a compensated barrel, threaded barrel, 3 1/2 or 5 inch...nice little package, but the trigger is attrocious.

I'd appreciate any and all input on this weapon.


442 posted on 10/19/2003 2:34:43 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: in the Arena
I bought a Smith and Wesson 22A. It comes in so many different configurations I barely recognize it when I go to the gunshows. It has that High Standard style removable barrel. Check it out.
443 posted on 10/19/2003 2:45:13 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: in the Arena
I have that Walther PT22 with the counterweighted barrel. Dbl Action is rough and terrible at best but single action makes up for downside. I too have been thinking of the NFA mod with an AWC can for that little tewl........

Sorry to hear bout yer dads pup. Dog doing what it loves won't take time for itself. Glad he was playin in a field on a nice day hunting. Hope when my time comes I go out same way.......

I have a friend that took an old mexican mauser, cut the action in two, welded it back up and did one hell of a lot of work to make hisself a 7.62x39 javalina /white tail ultra lite iron sighted rifle. He graduated from the Colorado School of Trades Gunsmithing and Engraving course and it was his first project out of the chute. He did very well.

My only concern was the barrel he turned down to almost quirt like diameter. Rifle weighed in about 5 pounds tops and had a nice williams peep sight. Every place he could do so safely he removed metal - drilled honeycomb like holes to reduce weight. He even removed the metal ball on the end of the bolt and threaded a phenolic machine knob on to it for weight reduction.

Very nice woods/swamp caliber and construction IMHO for lower 48.....Stay Safe !

444 posted on 10/19/2003 2:50:44 PM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: in the Arena
My wife lurked and busted me..ouch....she went to church...i slept in....not enuff rest for the wicked.

Swarovski is great stuff. I've got an old Swarovski spotting scope that dealers have offered me a premium for over my original price.

I use a 1.5X6 Khales on my Winchester in-line .50.....makes all the difference in the world at dusk in deep woods/swamp.
445 posted on 10/19/2003 2:53:06 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Eaker; humblegunner
I heard there are some pretty big plums up there.

There goes Eaker, brag'n about his plums again :O)

446 posted on 10/19/2003 3:02:00 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: in the Arena
I have an older Swarovski, it is an 8X56, I think an SL. Everything they make is top of the line. I also have a Swarovski baseball cap which they sent me for free.

I looked at a binocular a few weeks ago which I think might even be better than the Swarovski. I am saving my money but it is going to take awhile. This one is the Nikon Superior E in 10X42. I believe in the short time I had to look through it, that it is the best one I have ever seen.

The price was $850 although I have seen it a bit cheaper since then.

447 posted on 10/19/2003 3:09:38 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: in the Arena; Squantos; Travis McGee
I looked at the top of the line Zeiss scope at Bass Pro Shop last year....very nice too but at almost 2K, I think I'd settle for a Khales.

SWFA in Houston is tops for online optics buys....great staff too.
448 posted on 10/19/2003 3:15:55 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Shooter 2.5; Squantos
Thanks Shooter, That's a nice little pistol. I like the size and versatility of the Walther especially the dB reduction feature. I think I've seen the P22 for less than $300 with the threaded barrel. I found a site with a weapon and GemTech package for $795 excluding the tax stamp. With the Kimber CDP we talked about I'm going to run out of pennies fast...

GEMTECH OUTBACK/WALTHER P22 PISTOL COMBO -- DESIGNED TO BE COMPACT, EFFICIENT, AND COST EFFECTIVE WITHOUT FLUIDS OR GREASE -- NO NEED TO DISSEMBLE FOR MAINTENANCE - CAN BE INTERFACED WITH ANY .22 RIMFIRED WEAPON, BUT IS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSIVE ON THE WALTHER P22 PISTOL -- ONCE IN A GREAT WHILE A SUPER WEAPON COMES ALONG THAT REALLY GETS OUR ATTENTION -- THIS IT IT!! THE COMBO MAKES FOR A FINE STANDARD .22 PISTOL/TARGET PISTOL/SUPPRESSED PISTOL . SUPPRESSOR AVAILABLE SEPARATELY, OR AS A COMPLETE WEAPON PACKAGE -- SUPPRESSOR ALONE $395 -- THREADED WALTHER "P22" ADAPTER WITH THREAD PROTECTORS $90 -- COMPLETE FIREARM $795

449 posted on 10/19/2003 3:18:35 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: yarddog
Nikon Superior E in 10X42

Thanks, I'll check them out...

450 posted on 10/19/2003 3:26:37 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: wardaddy
I have bought a few things from SWFA, although by telephone and the mail.

I didn't know they had a store in Houston. That one might be better but the one in Fort Worth, or is it Dallas?, is pretty high on their prices. Their service is ok but they also demand a restocking fee if the item is defective.

They do have a good selection and sometimes have specials. I have had better luck with B&H even if it is in New York.

451 posted on 10/19/2003 3:29:26 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: dogbyte12
Thanks for the great response. I am a simple kinda guy, and something simple will work for me. The peep hole in my m16 was good enough for me, and I still see 20/15, so I will only go the scope route if needed.

I will look into Mausers very seriously.

The reworked Spanish military model FR-8 Mauser rifles used as a training and second-line auxiliary personnel substitute for the 7,62 NATO caliber Spanish CATME assault rifle ire well made and use a rotary rear sight with multiple aperatures set for varying distances, from *close* to 400 meters. The rifles can often be found in the $125-$200 price range, and if you're familiar with the 7,62 round from your own military service, you know that it's an excellent one and is widely available from a vatiety of commercial and surplus sources in a variety of bullet weights and power level loadings. The turnbolt Mauser rifles are most usually found with V-notch sliding rear open sights like the Kalishnikov, and the Spanish FR-8's are one of the few exceptions to that generality.

If you did go that route, that could also give you ammunition and accessory compatability with a CETME semiauto, very inexpensively available right now, which could be either an advantage or a mixed blessing.

There are few faults or flaws to be aware of if shopping for a FR-8 other than those that can apply to any similar weapon, but beware getting the earlier FR-7 version made from the Spanish Modelo 95 action rather than the later and stronger M98 action- if you get one, you want an FR8, at least from a user's standpoint; collectability is another thing entirely.

If the old .30-06 cartridge of the M1 Garand rifle [another VERY good choice should you later be in the market for a high quality and accurate semiauto] is acceptable to you, the earlier issue M1903A3 Springfield rifle is chambered for that cartridge and is an excellent choice. Springfields generally go for a little higher price, in the $400-$500 ranhe, but it's another excellent bolt-action rifle with an aperature rear sight that should work well for you. Again, there's the earlier M1903 version with a shorter-radius sliding adjustable v-notch rear sight mounted atop the barrel with about half the sight radius of the M1903A3 model. There's certainly nothing wrong with the earlier version [I have my granddad's old one, and it's a great shooter] but I think you'd find the later type with the improved sighting arrangement would better suit you.

It's of course possible to rebarrel either a FR-8 or M1903A3 to another caliber if you so require, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and there's certainly little wrong with either the .30-06 or 7,62 NATO calibers as a good choice for a working rifle.

Spanish FR-8, 7,62x51mm NATO chambering:

M1903A3 Springfield, cal. .30-06:


452 posted on 10/19/2003 3:30:45 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: in the Arena
800 is cheaper than the Amphibian Rugers I have seen. The Ruger goes for a grand.
453 posted on 10/19/2003 3:36:16 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: in the Arena
If money is tight the Swift Audubon for around $240 is nearly as good as the high end binocs. I have an older one and it is about as good as any, almost that is. I think the newer ones are even water resistant.

I once read a test a few years ago which rated the Audubon as the sharpest they had ever tested in the center. I wouldn't go that far but still very good value.

454 posted on 10/19/2003 3:40:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: PoorMuttly
although the 7mm (tore up Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, and gave the Boers good service against far superior numbers)

The embattled Boer commandos of the Boer War period did indeed make use of the 7x57mm Mauser cartridge and the then-new British .303 Enfields when captured ones became available, but the 7,65mm Mauser was the more common chambering of their rifles. It wasn't until I actually went to South Africa and was given the opportunity to handle some of the rifles so used, almost always 29-inch barrelled longrange target or infantryman's versions, and very commonly still in daily use with the grandsons and great grandsons of those who used them back then, that I noted the variety. A few thousand Japanese 6.5mm Arisaka Model 38 rifles also turned up in that theatre of war as well, it seems.

-archy-/-

455 posted on 10/19/2003 3:41:37 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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456 posted on 10/19/2003 3:44:47 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant (I dont want to wait till f##king next year!)
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To: Colorado Doug
Great, then you haven't ruled out my trade offer. Tell you what, I will throw in 12 rounds of ammo to sweeten the deal. ;-)

Have you caught on to the neat and handy way of carrying a dozen rounds of .50 ammunition for use in the field? The Tac-Star *sidesaddle* 12-gauge shotgun shell holders meant to be attached to the side of a pump shotgun action neatly hold s shotgun shells in line, but are happily also just the right diameter for .50 rounds. Simply bolting two of the things back-to-back with a carrying strap fixed in between makes a quick-and-dirty speedloader for a Big .50, whether afield hunting or on a target range.

At $25 each the *sidesaddle* carriers are not exactly a disposable item, but a pair of them so arranged do get the job done, and they can still be disassembled and used for their originally intended purpose, or a single unit may be affixed to a .50 rifle to keep a half-dozen rounds handy for fast reloads.


457 posted on 10/19/2003 3:51:04 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: yarddog
Thanks again...
458 posted on 10/19/2003 4:13:42 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: yarddog
I thought they were based in Houston...my bad.
459 posted on 10/19/2003 4:22:29 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Now that you mention it I am not certain where SWFA is located. Fort Worth is the first name that comes to mind but in the back of my mind I think I am thinking Mesquite, Texas.

Anyway I think it is the Dallas area.

460 posted on 10/19/2003 4:26:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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