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Hilaire Belloc: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed [Chilling Clairvoyance]
The Great Heresies ^ | 1938 | Hilaire Belloc

Posted on 10/18/2003 1:02:52 PM PDT by nwrep

THE GREAT HERESIES

by Hilaire Belloc

Chapter Four

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

It might have appeared to any man watching affairs in the earlier years of the seventh century_say from 600 to 630_that only one great main assault having been made against the Church, Arianism and its derivatives, that assault having been repelled and the Faith having won its victory, it was now secure for an indefinite time.

Christendom would have to fight for its life, of course, against outward unchristian things, that is, against Paganism. The nature worshippers of the high Persian civilization to the east would attack us in arms and try to overwhelm us. The savage paganism of barbaric tribes, Scandinavian, German, Slav and Mongol, in the north and centre of Europe would also attack Christendom and try to destroy it. The populations subject to Byzantium would continue to parade heretical views as a label for their grievances. But the main effort of heresy, at least, had failed_so it seemed. Its object, the undoing of a united Catholic civilization, had been missed. The rise of no major heresy need henceforth be feared, still less the consequent disruption of Christendom.

By A.D. 630 all Gaul had long been Catholic. The last of the Arian generals and their garrisons in Italy and Spain had become orthodox. The Arian generals and garrisons of Northern Africa had been conquered by the orthodox armies of the Emperor.

It was just at this moment, a moment of apparently universal and permanent Catholicism, that there fell an unexpected blow of overwhelming magnitude and force. Islam arose_quite suddenly. It came out of the desert and overwhelmed half our civilization.

Islam_the teaching of Mohammed_conquered immediately in arms. Mohammed's Arabian converts charged into Syria and won there two great battles, the first upon the Yarmuk to the east of Palestine in the highlands above the Jordan, the second in Mesopotamia. They went on to overrun Egypt; they pushed further and further into the heart of our Christian civilization with all its grandeur of Rome. They established themselves all over Northern Africa; they raided into Asia Minor, though they did not establish themselves there as yet. They could even occasionally threaten Constantinople itself. At last, a long lifetime after their first victories in Syria, they crossed the Straits of Gibraltar into Western Europe and began to flood Spain. They even got as far as the very heart of Northern France, between Poitiers and Tours, less than a hundred years after their first victories in Syria_in A.D. 732.

They were ultimately thrust back to the Pyrenees, but they continued to hold all Spain except the mountainous north-western corner. They held all Roman Africa, including Egypt, and all Syria. They dominated the whole Mediterranean west and east: held its islands, raided and left armed settlements even on the shores of Gaul and Italy. They spread mightily throughout Hither Asia, overwhelming the Persian realm. They were an increasing menace to Constantinople. Within a hundred years, a main part of the Roman world had fallen under the power of this new and strange force from the Desert.

Such a revolution had never been. No earlier attack had been so sudden, so violent or so permanently successful. Within a score of years from the first assault in 634 the Christian Levant had gone: Syria, the cradle of the Faith, and Egypt with Alexandria, the mighty Christian See. Within a lifetime half the wealth and nearly half the territory of the Christian Roman Empire was in the hands of Mohammedan masters and officials, and the mass of the population was becoming affected more and more by this new thing.

Mohammedan government and influence had taken the place of Christian government and influence, and were on the way to making the bulk of the Mediterranean on the east and the south Mohammedan.

We are about to follow the fortunes of this extraordinary thing which still calls itself Islam, that is, "The Acceptation" of the morals and simple doctrines which Mohammed had preached.

I shall later describe the historical origin of the thing, giving the dates of its progress and the stages of its original success. I shall describe the consolidation of it, its increasing power and the threat which it remained to our civilization. It very nearly destroyed us. It kept up the battle against Christendom actively for a thousand years, and the story is by no means over; the power of Islam may at any moment re-arise.

(Excerpt) Read more at ewtn.com ...


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1 posted on 10/18/2003 1:02:52 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: *Catholic_list; *Clash of Civilizatio; *Christian_list
ping
2 posted on 10/18/2003 1:05:10 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
'Matilda Who Told Lies, And Was Burned to Death'
by Hillaire Belloc

Matilda told such Dreadful Lies,
It made one Gasp and Stretch one's Eyes;
Her Aunt, who, from her Earliest Youth,
Had kept a Strict Regard for Truth,
Attempted to Believe Matilda:
The effort very nearly killed her,
And would have done so, had not She
Discovered this Infirmity.

For once, towards the Close of Day,
Matilda, growing tired of play,
And finding she was left alone,
Went tiptoe to the Telephone
And summoned the Immediate Aid
Of London's Noble Fire-Brigade.

Within an hour the Gallant Band
Were pouring in on every hand,
From Putney, Hackney Downs, and Bow
With Courage high and Hearts aglow
They galloped, roaring through the Town,
'Matilda's House is Burning Down!'

Inspired by British Cheers and Loud
Proceeding from the Frenzied Crowd,
They ran their ladders through a score
Of windows on the Ball Room Floor;
And took Peculiar Pains to Souse
The Pictures up and down the House,

Until Matilda's Aunt succeeded
In showing them they were not needed;
And even then she had to pay
To get the Men to go away! . . . .

It happened that a few Weeks later
Her Aunt was off to the Theatre
To see that Interesting Play
The Second Mrs Tanqueray.
She had refused to take her
Niece To hear this entertaining Piece:
A Deprivation Just and Wise
To Punish her for Telling Lies.

That Night a Fire did break out -
You should have heard Matilda Shout!
You should have heard her Scream and Bawl,
And throw the window up and call
To People passing in the Street -

(The rapidly increasing Heat
Encouraging her to obtain
Their confidence) - but all in vain!
For every time She shouted 'Fire!'
They only answered 'Little Liar'!
And therefore when her Aunt returned,
Matilda, and the House, were Burned.

Other great poems and illustrations in Belloc's Cautionary Tales for Children.

3 posted on 10/18/2003 1:22:00 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: nwrep
Sorry to be a nag (NOT a "N.A.G.") but it is necessary to excerpt this? I don't like going to other sites unless necessary as I have very slow dial-up, and also the articles are then not part of FR archives, and this looks to be very interseting.
4 posted on 10/18/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: xzins
PING for good read
5 posted on 10/18/2003 1:31:23 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: nwrep
Belloc was more than a prophet about the powers of Islam - his 'The Servile State' is a masterly prophecy of modern socialism.
6 posted on 10/18/2003 1:35:03 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: nwrep
With all respect to M. Belloc, Islam was hardly a "Christian" heresy. Mohammed, I read somewhere, was originally a Jew-though he and his tribe might have been long separated from anything resembling orthodox Judaism.

Christianity just prior to the time of Mohammed had been splintered to a large degree: for example, the Coptic church (Egypt at that point was a largely Christian country)was at loggerheads with the church at Alexandria.

Although the Copts now say they never waged war,they did in fact mount a punitive expedition against one of their neighbors - who happened to hold Mecca - using Assyrian mercenaries.

During the seige of Mecca, the Coptic forces were infected with smallpox ( early germ warfare? ) which killed them in such numbers they fled the battlefield: bringing the deadly plague home with them.( Source: PLAGUE WARS )

The Coptic church almost vanished as a result, and when Mohammed came along - less than half a century later - there was little opposition to his preachings.
7 posted on 10/18/2003 1:36:59 PM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: nwrep
Islam(Qu'ran & Hadith(s)) is Crotch-ology... and studying it does require wipeing your mind often..
8 posted on 10/18/2003 1:37:42 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Salem; xzins; Thinkin' Gal; dennisw
Millions of modern people of the white civilization that is, the civilization of Europe and America have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. they take for granted that it is decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a menace in the future as it has been in the past.

Vindication for General Boykin! Amen General Boykin never be afraid to speak the truth; however, it will get you censored by the American media and the Arab Amercian Council.

9 posted on 10/18/2003 1:47:24 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: genefromjersey
During the seige of Mecca, the Coptic forces were infected with smallpox
( early germ warfare? ) which killed them in such numbers they fled the battlefield:
bringing the deadly plague home with them.( Source: PLAGUE WARS )


You might like this book (if you haven't seen/heard of ti before):
Pox Americana: The Great Smallpox Epidemic of 1775-82
by Elizabeth A. Fenn
10 posted on 10/18/2003 1:47:26 PM PDT by VOA
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To: nwrep
"[T]he power of Islam may at any moment re-arise."

There, you see, it's happened.

Now it's time for another slap-down.

11 posted on 10/18/2003 1:49:11 PM PDT by jocon307 (I am suffering from chronic tag-line syndrome - where is my money?)
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To: genefromjersey
Mohammed, I read somewhere, was originally a Jew-though he and his tribe might have been long separated from anything resembling orthodox Judaism.

NOT TRUE! You sure fell for heresy genefromjersey!

12 posted on 10/18/2003 1:49:35 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: genefromjersey
>With all respect to M. Belloc, Islam was hardly a "Christian" heresy

Belloc was just a
proto-tin foil wearing nut
who viewed the world in

conspiracy terms.
Today, probably, he'd be
working for LaRouche:

"Now almost forgotten, Distributism was a composite of several social and moral theories first articulated by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936) and Hilaire Belloc (1870-1953) in the pages of volume 2 of The New Age. The initial concepts arose from the four-way (and more) argument among H.G.Wells, George Bernard Shaw, Belloc and Chesterton over modernity ... That discussion, now known as "the Chesterbelloc" contoversy, helped Belloc and Chesterton develop a rationale for equitable distribution of property and restoration of worker control in commerce, agriculture, and industry. This cluster of ideas, soon called "Distributism," was based on the two men’s look back, to European history, as well as their concerns about the present and the future of mass industrial society. ... As Distributism looked to the past for a model of a simpler, kinder, gentler world, it began to focus on what it saw as the abuses of international finance in causing wars, famine, and disruption in social relations. Steeped in European cultural and religious attitudes as they were, it was not a big step for some Distributists to believe in a conspiracy of international Jewish finance responsible for the social chaos caused by both capitalism and socialism. Chesterton, Belloc, Eliot and Ezra Pound were among those who succumbed to this viewpoint at various times."
[Distributism, by Carol DeBoer-Langworthy]

13 posted on 10/18/2003 1:54:07 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: TrueBeliever9
Hah! TrueBeliever9, I just came back from the extended post to quote the exact paragraph you did!

We all forget this at our peril. For sure, Osama, et al. would not disagree with Mr. Belloc's assessment.

And as for General Boykin, we'd better all be well prepared to freep our butts off for him if need be. I am, for one.
14 posted on 10/18/2003 1:57:35 PM PDT by jocon307 (I am suffering from chronic tag-line syndrome - where is my money?)
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To: theFIRMbss
To the contrary. Whatever you think of Distributism, Belloc and Chesterton were brilliant writers and thinkers who had a great deal to say on many subjects. Distributism certainly has absolutely nothing to say about Islam.

Nobody is expert in every field. I share your distrust of distributism. But it's no reason to put down some very great men.
15 posted on 10/18/2003 2:02:27 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TrueBeliever9
It matters not; for as long as simple people are willing to subjugate themselves to the machinations of another whose wild imagination casts spells before their eyes of golden streets and honey there will be battles in the streets to queue up to be the first to slaughter.
16 posted on 10/18/2003 2:02:31 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: nwrep
Long article. Interesting reading.

However, I take exception to the following comment.

"No fragment of Islam ever abandons its sacred book, its code of morals, its organized system of prayer, its simple doctrine."

I think this is not true. It's just that when a Muslim converts, he is not very vocal about it, because the Islamists will kill him if they can. And my guess is that there are a lot of Muslim's questioning the bloodthirstyness of their religion these days.

17 posted on 10/18/2003 2:03:35 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: jocon307
>And as for General Boykin, we'd better all be well prepared to freep our butts off for him if need be. I am, for one.

So, in a world were
we are fighting nut Muslims
who've had their beliefs

perverted for war,
you support the perversion
of Christ for the same?!

18 posted on 10/18/2003 2:03:38 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: genefromjersey
Nobody knows for sure, but the usual opinion is that Muhammed was a pagan Arab who had spoken with Jews and Christians and was familiar with the Bible at second hand. Islam is partly based on the Bible, but gets a lot of the facts, as well as the theology, wrong.
19 posted on 10/18/2003 2:04:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jocon307
Millions of modern people of the white civilization that is, the civilization of Europe and America have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. they take for granted that it is decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a menace in the future as it has been in the past.

Written in 1938! I agree, General Boykin is speaking TRUTH and the Arab American Council is out to stop truth!

My prayer is that General Boykin will "keep his composure though a whole world rages...cherishes his well reasoned convictions though a whole world persecutes...speaks the truth though all others prevaricate...such a one is, of all adventurers, the bravest and the noblest." (Hebrew Prayer Book)

20 posted on 10/18/2003 2:07:16 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: genefromjersey
"During the seige of Mecca, the Coptic forces were infected with smallpox ( early germ warfare? ) which killed them in such numbers they fled the battlefield: bringing the deadly plague home with them.( Source: PLAGUE WARS )"

I think you mean specifically the Ethiopian "Copts", not the Copts of Egypt.
21 posted on 10/18/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by Keme
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To: Cicero
Some future civilization may comment that all religion was merely a representation of a prolonged cultural adolescence.
22 posted on 10/18/2003 2:11:04 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
It matters not - it matters not - it matters not

"for we need a mighty faith to praise HIM (The LORD of Lords, KING of Kings, Ruler of the Universe in Great Majesty - Melech in Hebrew - THE LIVING LORD GOD OF ISRAEL)when we walk among men who mock at HIS WORD; we need endless trust to be patient in the vale of tears and we must find the strength to answer HIM when HE calls us to HIS work." IT MATTERS!

23 posted on 10/18/2003 2:15:05 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: Old Professer
>Some future civilization may comment that all religion was merely a representation of a prolonged cultural adolescence

The Soviets and
Khmer Rouge believed such stuff.
Civilized to you?!

24 posted on 10/18/2003 2:15:46 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
I support standing up for our Judeo/Christian values. I oppose Islamic jihad for world domination. I support opposing those in Islam who would through Jihad impose their perverse Sharia laws on us or anyone, even Muslims.

If you wish to see that as a perversion of Christ, you go right ahead and do so.

This may or may not be or become a clash of civilizations, but if it does become one it will be because of the Muslims.

And, as the man said, we better all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately.
25 posted on 10/18/2003 2:20:51 PM PDT by jocon307 (I am suffering from chronic tag-line syndrome - where is my money?)
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To: nwrep
bttt for a later more through read.
26 posted on 10/18/2003 2:30:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Old Professer
Doubtful.
27 posted on 10/18/2003 4:15:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nwrep
"....The Arian generals and garrisons of Northern Africa had been conquered by the orthodox armies of the Emperor.......... Islam_the teaching of Mohammed_conquered immediately in arms..."

We might note that the "Arian Heresy" is known as a heresy only on the word of it's opposition which won the "war".

Then, along comes Mohammed, who failed to conduct universal conquest, so his gnostic tradition became known as a different religion rather than just another Christian heresy, which it was.

And if anybody missed it, all of these guys used armed conquest to advance the cause of their respective religions, or heresies, or orthodoxies.

It's truly incredible that we will be joined later on by folks who believe that only Islam has ever used armed might to force conversions.

28 posted on 10/18/2003 4:41:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
"Islam" has NEVER BEEN "Tested!"

There has ALWAYS BEEN a physical Symbol of "Islamic Faith" in Mecca--the STONE!

Remove "The Stone," & Let's see "What's Left!!!"

Doc

29 posted on 10/18/2003 5:06:53 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: nwrep
Great post! I've been looking for something like this.

I am of the veiw that Mohammed was right, right that is when he said orignally that he saw the devil. His wife later convinced him otherwise.

I find as I remember back to HS history, much has been re-written to favor Islam.

Like for instance I was taught that the Dark Ages was the result of the Church's terrible lust for power and to keep everyone uneducated and stupid.

Turns out that the Ottoman Empire had Europe isolated, cut off and THAT was more like the reason for the dark ages.

Columbus found America in a attempt to find a safe way to the far east, free from Muslim raiders!

Now of course in my thirst for theology, I became convinced of the error of my antiCaholic upbringing and promptly converted ten years ago.

Been the best thing I've ever done!
30 posted on 10/18/2003 5:22:10 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
You are getting your history knowledge from erroneous sources.

The Dark Ages begin about 538 AD. It had absolutely nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire which didn't come around for another 800+ years!

In fact, the Dark Ages are so dark that we know about their "early years" from few sources. One source are ancient Irish royal annals (from which we derive our "King Arthur" stories). Another source are tree rings. The suggestion is that the weather turned very nasty for about a decade. This resulted in the death of almost everybody in Northern and Western Europe as well as the loss of all ancient knowlege. Southern Europe fared better, but "better" does not mean "well", just "better". There was general economic collapse throughout the Mediterranean, Central Asia, Western Europe (to the extent there was any economy at all), China and so on.

Some folks came out of the Dark Ages sooner than others. The Chinese, for example, survived through total collapse for a mere 300 years. Byzentium (the city itself) seems to have had total collapse for only 84 years ~ of course they ended up fairly alone in the world for a long while.

The Western Arabian peninsula seems to have begun recovery within just a few decades! We know they recovered because they had this interesting story about Mohammad and messages from God when they conquered Damascus and kicked out the decadent Persian regime. They then went on to recover as much ancient knowlege as they could, and once contact with India was made, they expanded the scope of the Indian knowledge base (which is, among other things, the number system we now use).

The Ottoman Empire did not yet exist while this recovery was going on.

Finally, about 1000 AD Western Europe recovered economically, but not socially. That's when the Age of Jihad began! Europeans had armed knights who lived under monastic orders (for a start), wore crosses into all battles, etc., etc., etc. It was truly horrible. In the end they conquered just about the whole world. Until oil was discovered in the Middle East most Western Europeans didn't care one way or the other about Islam.

31 posted on 10/18/2003 5:39:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Your comments are without meaning.

It all boils down to this, there is TODAY NO CHUCH THAT IS AN EXACT COPY OF THE CHURCH IN ACTS!

Every church that exists today has made changes.

The question is who had the authority to allow these changes? Did Christ leave a stucture of men authorized to make such changes?

Of existant churches none has a better claim to this authority than the one Centered in Rome.
32 posted on 10/18/2003 6:15:41 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Actually the Mennonites and Baptists can argue authoritatively for as good a claim as that of Rome.

You might try cruising through some of their websites concerning the matter.

33 posted on 10/18/2003 6:18:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
As does the Orthodox Churchs.

Say the Greek Orthodox.

Makes sence that God would hide his Universal Church in a little known place unknown to anyone besides for example Greeks. NOT!

Over the last 2000 years what has been the one Church in word and Archtecture that has consistently proclamed the Truth.

You, my friend, need to study the Theology of a leading Calvanist Theologian. He broke with his brothers because they were NOT anti Catholic enough.

He is a PHD of Theology at Franciscan University. His name is Scott Hahn. Here is one of his pages:

http://www.mindspring.com/~darcyj/files/drhahn.html

34 posted on 10/18/2003 6:25:51 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Actually, both the Baptists and the Mennonites have a BETTER claim to being first than do the Orthodox or Coptics or the church in Rome.

They can quite readily trace their origins to Jerusalem itself, right into the Temple!

35 posted on 10/18/2003 6:33:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The suggestion is that the weather turned very nasty for about a decade. This resulted in the death of almost everybody in Northern and Western Europe

Say what??

36 posted on 10/18/2003 7:46:39 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188
When there is a general failure of agriculture for just a couple of years, folks either move away or die.

For example, when the Britons began relocating to Brittany (to escape Anglo-Saxon barbarians then invading their homeland) they discovered that there were no people living there although this had been one of the most populated, progressive and productive regions in the Western Roman Empire.

This was a common situation throughout Northern and Western Europe. Note that the Dark Ages begin about 538! Some claim they began precisely that year, or in 535. We really don't know because they lost track of their calender at that time!

There was massive loss of records. In fact, there was massive loss of everything. Life was never the same after that time.

Did you imagine that people just forgot how to do stuff and retreated to a neolithic lifestyle?

People died in large numbers. The survivors faced a far less populated world. It took Europe half a millenium to begin to recover!

37 posted on 10/18/2003 7:53:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nwrep
I have taken the liberty of excerpting a very few of Belloc's first now-proven and then prophetic words (remember---this is from 1936):

The Mohammedan temper was not tolerant. It was, on the contrary, fanatical and bloodthirsty. It felt no respect for, nor even curiosity about, those from whom it differed. It was absurdly vain of itself, regarding with contempt the high Christian culture about it. It still so regards it even today.

snip

Millions of modern people of the white civilization_that is, the civilization of Europe and America_have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. they take for granted that it is decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a menace in the future as it has been in the past.

38 posted on 10/18/2003 8:02:16 PM PDT by gg188
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To: muawiyah
The Mennonite (Anabaptist) faith movement began in Europe in the 16th Century ...

From their site...
39 posted on 10/18/2003 8:03:20 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Try other sites. There is no single authority for either broad group you know. Some particular subgroups have modern origins, but the theological tradition claims a far more ancient lineage.

Still, you don't believe any of them do you? Frankly, I have my own doubts about the Rome business.

40 posted on 10/18/2003 8:10:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nwrep
btttttttttttttt
41 posted on 10/18/2003 8:11:37 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: nwrep
Excellent post!

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

42 posted on 10/18/2003 10:45:53 PM PDT by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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To: dennisw; nwrep; muawiyah; yonif; SJackson
Curious but also sickening for his lack of courage and faith in western civilization; he is an enemy of the Reformation and the Enlightenment:
The bad work begun at the Reformation is bearing its final fruit in the dissolution of our ancestral doctrines the very structure of our society is dissolving.
Like Adolf Hitler did, he ascribes communism to Jews as though it were something in their blood that would bring on conspiratorial evils to Christendom:
In the place of the old Christian enthusiasms of Europe there came, for a time, the enthusiasm for nationality, the religion of patriotism. But self-worship is not enough, and the forces which are making for the destruction of our culture, notably the Jewish Communist propaganda from Moscow, have a likelier future before them than our old-fashioned patriotism.
And an early enemy of Jewish settlement in their old homelands:
There has been bloodshed under the French mandate more than once and it will be renewed[2]; while under the English mandate the forcing of an alien Jewish colony upon Palestine has raised the animosity of the native Arab population to white heat. Meanwhile a ubiquitous underground Bolshevist propaganda is working throughout Syria and North Africa continually, against the domination of Europeans over the original Mohammedan population.

43 posted on 10/18/2003 10:47:13 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk
He is still making a good try. That era was not kind to Jews. Franklin Roosevelt wouldn't take in Jewish refugees nor bomb the rail lines to the death camps.

Spain kicked out the Jews along with the Muslims but it was still a great and historic move. Same with the Crusaders who often left dead Jews in their wake......At least they were taking on Islam.
44 posted on 10/18/2003 11:09:42 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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Posted for the upteenth time on FreeRepublic.....
45 posted on 10/18/2003 11:16:49 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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Mo'ham', by islam's own version of history, was an ex-merchant, murdering caravan thief with a gang. Some kind of displaced or outclassed arab James Gang had he. Mo'ham married above his station, twice as I vaguely recall. His night tripping, bummer hash?, one night caused his illiterate fool gang to lay claim to Jerusalem, that alone. Hey, let's kill all the Jews onour way. He smashed all the moon rocks save the big one called allah, kept in the cube tent in Mecca, there today.

Mo'ham' began this death cult promising other arab criminal sociopaths a drunken orgy with six dozen reprocessed virgins for those most successful dead mass murderers in the name of Mo'ham's gang's conquests. What a scam.

Mo'ham's new cult had little competition in the lands of the rigidly stratified near caste systems.
46 posted on 10/18/2003 11:18:19 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: genefromjersey
No, you are wrong in a way. Islam was heavyily influenced by many things including a Arian Christianity.
47 posted on 10/18/2003 11:18:39 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: genefromjersey
Copts being 10% of the population of Egypt does not qualify as almost vanished.
48 posted on 10/18/2003 11:20:14 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
I like it! That's a late night riff from the "More Mad Mo' Blues" volume 1
49 posted on 10/18/2003 11:24:50 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
He is still making a good try.

I'm not sure it's all that useful. To me it seems more like an argument that some forms of tyranny need to be continued because there's an outside threat. And there were people who knew better about the Jews in the 1930s. I don't claim to understand anti-semitism, but I think it's a confluence of misunderstanding Christianity's origins in Judaism, raw xenophobia, and simple scapegoatism. It never had any merit. FDR should never have turned away the St. Louis, and it's an embarassing mark on our history that he did.

By the way, the Japanese were preaching anti-semitism (i.e. blaming "the international Jew") before and during WWII, as well.

In any case, the Belloc clearly doesn't get why the west has been so successful: it's because we've abandoned irrationalism. He blames our supposedly impending downfall (in 1939 this would have been easy) on the abandonment of tradition. This is a very anti-American, anti-modern, and superstitious. How familiar, as we hear that sort of thing today.

The west will survive the current Islamic threat without this guy's alarmist advice.

50 posted on 10/18/2003 11:33:08 PM PDT by risk
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