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Gov. Bush calls special session over Terri Schiavo
Firstcoastnews.com ^ | 10-20-03 | Cynthia Capers

Posted on 10/19/2003 9:28:56 PM PDT by JulieRNR21

Edited on 10/20/2003 7:12:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

TALLAHASSEE, FL -- According to a news release sent by the Terry Schindler-Schiavo Foundation, Florida Speaker Johnnie Byrd will introduce "Terri's Bill" during the special session Monday.

The bill would put an immediate moratorium on all dehydration and starvation deaths in Florida. Meanwhile, supporters of Terri Schiavo showed up Sunday outside a Pinellas Park hospice.

Doctors say Schiavo has been in a vegetative state since complications from a heart attack in 1990. Her husband was granted a court order that her feeding tube be removed, saying his wife wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive.


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KEYWORDS: deathcultivation; jebbush; judicialwatch; terrischiavo; terrisfight
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To: viaveritasvita
Please let's not get into my church is doing more than your church.

Obviously, no one has done "enough" or Terri wouldn't be suffering this cruel, demeaning fate.

551 posted on 10/20/2003 3:04:05 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Saundra Duffy
To support pro abortion candidates and causes (Schwarzenegger for gov of CA) and to let the democrats crap all over our values and our families.

I am telling you Saundra, this whole fiasco in FLORIDA is scaring the ba-jeebers out of me!! With Arnold in now as our Governor, he would be one to toss this aside too.......Republicans without backbones on moral and ethical issues, are SCARY. I thought Jeb DID have backbone though......guess not.

552 posted on 10/20/2003 3:07:29 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: viaveritasvita
I believe she WAS allowed the Sacrament of Holy Unction but not to receive communion because ot would have involved "feeding" her.
553 posted on 10/20/2003 3:08:33 PM PDT by johnb838 (sarcasm tags are for wimps)
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To: pollywog
We have no-kill shelters for animals. Are we going to need them soon for humans too?
554 posted on 10/20/2003 3:10:03 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: viaveritasvita
I was just saying that in every field -- including some aspects of organized religion -- money is the driving force far too often.
555 posted on 10/20/2003 3:10:22 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: pollywog
I'm not sure what Arnold would do if confronted with the same situation. Given his background, (coming from the land that "euthanized" millions) he might actually pleasently surprise us.

Never can tell.

556 posted on 10/20/2003 3:10:54 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Theodore R.
I also wonder if there are any of HIS SUPPORTERS outside walking! If he DID have neighbors and friends, I bet they will be few and far between now!!!!
557 posted on 10/20/2003 3:14:23 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: Theodore R.
Saying that Michael Schiavo has lost his soul is not "judging," which the Bible warns against. It is a merely patently obvious fact that anyone should be able to see. "Monster" is too gentle of a term for this creature.
558 posted on 10/20/2003 3:15:48 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
Is this yet an element you're addressing in your great presentation of conservative mores?

Not separately. It is currently an adjunct to the discussion of abortion. I may redraft that one because of the need to generalize the issue into one of general life and death, but I am depending upon feedback to determine if the approaches I am taking are effective.

559 posted on 10/20/2003 3:16:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: isrul
Arnold is from Austria, not Germany.
560 posted on 10/20/2003 3:16:52 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: isrul
I'm not sure what Arnold would do if confronted with the same situation. Given his background, (coming from the land that "euthanized" millions) he might actually pleasently surprise us.

Never can tell

Let's hope we never have to find out....sad to say I think it is going to snowball!!

561 posted on 10/20/2003 3:17:01 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: huck von finn
So was Hitler. Both Austrians and Germans participated.
562 posted on 10/20/2003 3:18:13 PM PDT by isrul
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To: JulieRNR21
I live in FL and just got home from work. Jim King was on the news acting very luke warm. he said he was not in favor of this bill.
563 posted on 10/20/2003 3:18:38 PM PDT by beachlover
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To: CindyDawg
You know, CindyDawg, that never occurred to me ... so let's make it 5:15 p.m. eternal time ~ that should cover everybody!!
564 posted on 10/20/2003 3:18:55 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Lovergirl; Graymatter; PeyersPatches; isrul; No More Gore Anymore
I have decided not to vote again.

I very much sympathize with those who are disenchanted with the two dominant parties. But I strongly urge you not to give up on voting. There are good strong conservative candidates and parties (such as the Constitution Party) that would stand up to these kinds of horrors. You may ask what possible chances they have of winning, and it's true that the chances are rather slim. But since you've resigned yourselves not to vote at all, you're certainly not going to be making things any worse by voting for one of them. It's better than silence, by far.

565 posted on 10/20/2003 3:21:10 PM PDT by inquest ("Where else do gun owners have to go?" - Lee Atwater)
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To: Pegita
I really laughed for the first time today. Your post reminded me of Alan Jacksons's new song "it's five o'clock somewhere"
566 posted on 10/20/2003 3:21:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: johnb838
Ok, just to clarify: She was allowed to participate in part of the Catholic last rites, but not Holy Communion? Isn't Communion an integral part of the last rites? And just wondering if partial is acceptable to the RCC...?

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567 posted on 10/20/2003 3:22:05 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: beachlover
In that politics today is mostly about looks and style, how did the rotund Jim King ever get elected in the first place? Did he have a primary challenger last time? Probably not. He cannot understand by example the horror of starvation. Talk about hypocrisy! I would try to recall him if I lived in his district, but I bet most people there are perfectly satisfied with him because he is a "Republican."
568 posted on 10/20/2003 3:22:36 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: viaveritasvita
Doesn't matter what's acceptable to the Church. It's what's acceptable to Herr Greer.
569 posted on 10/20/2003 3:24:01 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Theodore R.
Well, you should have just said that then. The word "tithes" (which means 10%, I think) is almost always used exclusively in religious terms.

I agree with you that $$ is a very strong driving force.

In fact, the Bible tells us that the love of money is a root of all evil.

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570 posted on 10/20/2003 3:24:43 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: isrul
Hitler hated Austria. He couldn't make into art school there. He hated Austrians and for the most part, Austrians hated him. That's why he left.
571 posted on 10/20/2003 3:30:05 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: A. Patriot
I looked up this "Article III, Section 3(c)(1)" of the Florida constitution that he referred to in his proclamation. It states:
The governor, by proclamation stating the purpose, may convene the legislature in special session during which only such legislative business may be transacted as is within the purview of the proclamation, or of a communication from the governor, or is introduced by consent of two-thirds of the membership of each house.
So it's clear that he's actually limiting the legislature's ability to take up this case, when a mere communication from him will clear the road for them. Why isn't he doing it?
572 posted on 10/20/2003 3:30:14 PM PDT by inquest ("Where else do gun owners have to go?" - Lee Atwater)
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To: huck von finn
I'm "hearing" your posts as a voice of calm and reason, and that's a good thing. My problem with that approach in this case is that we don't have the time. That said, I restrained myself from immediately emailing everyone on my private email distribution list about the special legislative session, but my gut feeling and my thoughts right now are saying that we should do whatever it takes to save this woman's life. My reservations about believing whatever I hear extends (probably more so) to the info from a politician's office.

Good catch on that Ahnold thang!

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573 posted on 10/20/2003 3:31:54 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: beachlover
Did you see all that dirty hospice money hanging out of his pockets?
574 posted on 10/20/2003 3:35:29 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: huck von finn
Doesn't change the fact he was Austrian and Austria willingly participated in his enterprise. Arnold's father wasn't conscripted into the Nazi party or the SA. Arnold is aware of the history and those who participated.

His father was not found guilty of any crime but he belonged to an organization that sanctioned such crimes.

575 posted on 10/20/2003 3:41:05 PM PDT by isrul
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To: inquest; Lovergirl; Graymatter; PeyersPatches; isrul; No More Gore Anymore
I agree wholeheartedly with inquest's post. I would add that, after you've done your homework and voted for the best candidate possible (whatever party, except the 'RATS, of course -- hehehe), then do everything within your power to make them STAND AND DELIVER. Be very vocal, be loud, write/email/fax your rep constantly, letters to the editor. Call your reps regularly (TOLL FREE # TO THE CAPITOL 877-762-8762 -- write it in your phone book and use it often). Light fires under their butts. Visit their home offices. Show up at rallies. Talk to your friends and neighbors. Join your voices with others (as a born-again Christian, my favorites are Dr. Dobson, Chuck Colson, Jay Sekulow and Concerned Women for America -- there are plenty of secular, conservative groups).

You can't just give up. I, for one, ain't going down without a fight, dadgummit!! America needs us.

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576 posted on 10/20/2003 3:41:15 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: isrul; sweetliberty; Budge
Doesn't matter what's acceptable to the Church. It's what's acceptable to Herr Greer.

This is true, and it's just despicable!! Thank God that it doesn't matter to Him what rituals and chants are done before we die, since that's exactly what Christ's mission on earth was -- our salvation if we believe. The thief on the cross didn't have any ritual or chant -- he just expressed his belief. Amazing love!!

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577 posted on 10/20/2003 3:44:11 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: isrul
This is why Arnold just might be more sensitive to such things. It was'nt meant as a negative thng against Arnold. If anything, it was meant to be positive.
578 posted on 10/20/2003 3:44:26 PM PDT by isrul
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To: inquest
So, had Bush put Terri's fight on the agenda, only a majority vote would have been needed? If Byrd introduced the bill, it would required 2/3 of both houses, but I presume that King could have still blocked it in the state senate. If true, Bush was undercutting Terri all along. Why would he do such?
579 posted on 10/20/2003 3:46:20 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: viaveritasvita
That said, I restrained myself from immediately emailing everyone on my private email distribution list about the special legislative session, but my gut feeling and my thoughts right now are saying that we should do whatever it takes to save this woman's life. My reservations about believing whatever I hear extends (probably more so) to the info from a politician's office.

There's an awful lot of information flying around. It's hard to separate fact from rumor at this point. There are things about this case that don't make sense, don't fit together.

Good catch on that Ahnold thang!

My father was a U.S. Army surgeon in Vienna just after WWII, and he had to help clean up the aftermath. Also, I never met an Austrian I didn't like (although I'm not exactly an Ahnold fan)--so I tend to be protective of them! They are generally marvelous people.

580 posted on 10/20/2003 3:47:09 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: viaveritasvita
In a way he has. He has ordered the ritual of cremation, which denies a Catholic entrance to a church for a Requim Mass unless the mass is celebrated prior to the cremation. No chance of that since Greer has ordered immediate incineration.
581 posted on 10/20/2003 3:48:13 PM PDT by isrul
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To: JulieRNR21
Bumping for the latest info.
582 posted on 10/20/2003 3:48:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: isrul
isru, I understand and appreciate that. I didn't mean to jump on you. Please see my post #580.
583 posted on 10/20/2003 3:49:42 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: johnb838
**I believe she WAS allowed the Sacrament of Holy Unction but not to receive communion because ot would have involved "feeding" her.**

Two and maybe three sacraments here:
Reconciliation (previously called Confession)
The Annointing of the Sick (previously called Extreme Unction)
Holy Eucharist (previously called Communion)

All three could take place with a person on their deathbed.


The Holy Eucharist is usually
584 posted on 10/20/2003 3:51:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Theodore R.
>>If true, Bush was undercutting Terri all along. Why would he do such?<<

Maybe he gets a cut of King's goodies.... NOTHING would surprise me anymore.

585 posted on 10/20/2003 3:58:57 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: viaveritasvita; inquest
Okay thanks.. you are right. I have been working for the wrong party that is all. I have done all those thing you mentioned via-

That is me for straight and line Republican though. Man waht a lesson I had to learn. It stings big time. I will never support someone I know is this corupt again. I was a fool to think Jeb would do something. Others here told me he wouldn't, but I disagreed fighting and screaming as I did so. Never again. I guess he doesn't need my vote anyway.

Thanks for the pep talk. I will look you two up again so you can educate me a little more!

586 posted on 10/20/2003 4:02:26 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Salvation
But she will not be present at the church for her own Requim Mass. Greer has seen to that. I read on another thread that Schiavo was taking the ashes somewhere, perhaps to scatter them at the local dump.
587 posted on 10/20/2003 4:03:31 PM PDT by isrul
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To: wildandcrazyrussian; viaveritasvita; Budge; maxplunder
Yet another conflict of interests. Seems there is a lot of money and political influence in the death business in Florida, huh?

Ping to poat #150.

588 posted on 10/20/2003 4:04:38 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: trussell
bttt
589 posted on 10/20/2003 4:06:17 PM PDT by LifeIzGood
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
"Barbara Sheen Todd"

That name is familiar. Any particular reason why it should be?

590 posted on 10/20/2003 4:07:23 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FR_addict
"Fox has stopped carrying this story."

I guess they figure it's a done deal. Besides, there is probably a breaking story on what Kobe is having for supper.

591 posted on 10/20/2003 4:09:29 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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Here in Tampa, 970WFLA has just reported that Johnnie Byrd HAS introduced "Terri's Bill". This gets crazier all the time.
I will look for links.
592 posted on 10/20/2003 4:09:36 PM PDT by WackySam ("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
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To: No More Gore Anymore
It stings big time.

Doesn't it, though!!

593 posted on 10/20/2003 4:10:46 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but

IT STAGGERS THE MIND!!!

And to quote my mother:

IT IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!

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594 posted on 10/20/2003 4:12:56 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: JulieRNR21
"He insists that his wife would have wanted to die with dignity."

And just how does this disgusting excuse of a specimen of humanity figure that dying an agonixzing death from starvation and dehydration is dignified? What goes around comes around Michael, and I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when it does.

595 posted on 10/20/2003 4:15:10 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: WackySam
From 970WFLA website-

In Tallahassee,House Speaker Johnnie Byrd is asking legislators to consider a bill preventing the starvation or dehydration deaths of anyone whose life support wishes are in doubt. Two-thirds of the House and Senate will have to agree to consider the bill.

http://970wfla.com/fla_localstory.html?ID=20031020181615

This is in conflict with what I just heard on the radio where they said he DID introduce the bill. At least he is now asking the other legislators to consider a bill. I hope it's not too late.
596 posted on 10/20/2003 4:16:04 PM PDT by WackySam ("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
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To: All
I apologize if this has already been posted, but I just read it for the first time myself, and wanted to share it with you... (Note: What a bunch of BS!!!)

Statement By Michael Schiavo

Published: Oct 20, 2003

Last Wednesday, my wife's feeding tube was removed.
For over 6 years, I have struggled with the Schindlers in court. On Wednesday, I joined them in grief. I understand what the Schindlers are going through at this time. I feel the same loss.

For years after this happened to Terri, I tried desperately to find a cure for her. I went from one doctor to another. Almost all of them told me there was no possibility she would recover. Any doctor that gave me a glimmer of hope that some new treatment or therapy would work was given free reign with Terri. I would do anything to make her well.

I took Terri to California. I stayed with her while doctors performed an experimental procedure to implant electrodes in her brain to stimulate its function. I spent months working with her - hopeful of a cure. Months later, the doctors told me the electrodes were not working.

I took Terri to Mediplex, in Bradenton, Florida, which is a residential rehabilitation facility that specializes in brain injuries. She spent months there in intensive physical, speech, and occupational therapy and testing.

Finally, the doctors and therapist told me and the Schindlers they could do nothing more for her. I hired a private duty aide 8 hours a day to take Terri on outings to parks and museums trying to stimulate her - looking for any sign of life, any flicker of hope. There was none - ever.

Over the years, I had three swallowing tests performed on Terri in the hope that some of the therapies would allow her to be weaned off the feeding tube. The test all showed no change, and I was advised she could not swallow food. Even now, the nursing home staff says that sometimes Terri gags and chokes on the moisture from the swabs they use to moisten her lips.

The reports you heard from nursing home aides that Terri was responsive years ago are not true. I would give anything if they were. Those aides cared for Terri during the time that I was desperately seeking a cure for her. I was so frustrated that I could not help Terri. I am sure that I was sometimes unkind to the aides - even shouted at them. This was not because I wanted Terri dead, but because I desperately wanted her alive. I blamed myself because I could not bring her back.

It seemed to me, during that time, that the aides never did enough for Terri. Some days they did not put her makeup on. I would storm into the nursing home insisting that they do so. I knew Terri always wanted to look her best. Sometimes, the aides did not get her dressed and sitting up until late in the morning. They did not always get her hair combed. They sometimes failed to give her vitamins and medications on time. At each of those failures, I became enraged and lashed out. I felt so helpless. Each small infraction reminded me how powerless I was to really help Terri. I admit that I yelled at the aides and I am now deeply sorry for that behavior. Much like the Schindlers now, I stubbornly resisted and suggestion that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and would never get better.

I never wanted Terri to die. I still don't. After more than seven years of desperately searching for a cure for Terri, the death of my own mother helped me realize that I was fooling myself. More important, I was hiding behind my hope, and selfishly ignoring Terri's wishes. I wanted my wife to be with me so much that I denied her true condition.

Terri told me on several occasions before this happened that she would not want to live in her current condition. If we had been older, I am sure she would have signed a living will making it clear that she did not to be kept alive on tubes and machines. She never had the chance.

That left me to carry out her wishes. It has been hard. In fact, it is the hardest thing I have ever done. In the end, I did what I believe Terri would have wanted me to do.

Some people do not agree with the decisions the court made to remove Terri's feeding tube. I struggle to accept it myself. But I know in my heart that it is right, and it is what Terri wants. There is no longer any realistic hope of Terri's recovery. Perhaps there never was, but I had to try - just as the Schindlers have tried. The reality is that Terri left us 13 years ago, and none of us can bring her back.

Terri's parents and family may visit with her as much as they choose in the days to come. I, and my friends and relatives, will be there as well to spend time with Terri, as we all grieve. Please pray for us all.

597 posted on 10/20/2003 4:18:33 PM PDT by angelwings49
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To: Let's Roll
Are they referring to the estranged spouse who has spent his free time knocking up another woman (twice) and is still entitled to any life insurance proceeds etc. on Terri - all while Terri lies in her "vegetative state"? That husband?

At the very least ---- when one spouse is known to be carrying on an adulterous affair and wants his/her spouse dead, they should no longer be the "owner" of their spouse and should no longer be eligible for any of their money. Michael could have divorced his wife and just walked away and let her family just have her ----- but the money has too big a hold on him. Plus I think he really is afraid she could regain full consciousness and talk.

598 posted on 10/20/2003 4:22:05 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: angelwings49
Statement By Michael Schiavo

I notice he doesn't mention his lover or her wishes. He's committing adultery all the time he professes to "know" Terri's wishes. It's too dangerous to have a cheating spouse who has his eyes on your money in charge of your life ---- making the decision to let you live or force you to die. With Terri gone, he and the lover get a whole lot of money to enjoy.

599 posted on 10/20/2003 4:27:30 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
ITA! He is lower than scum and will surely burn in hell for what he's done.
600 posted on 10/20/2003 4:30:40 PM PDT by angelwings49
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