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Iranian Alert -- October 20, 2003 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 10.20.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 10/20/2003 12:17:09 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” But most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. Starting June 10th of this year, Iranians have begun taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy. Many even want the US to over throw their government.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.


PS I have a daily ping list and a breaking news ping list. If you would like to receive alerts to these stories please let me know which list you would like to join.

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iaea; iran; iranianalert; protests; southasia; studentmovement; studentprotest
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2 posted on 10/20/2003 12:20:28 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran hints at stopping uranium enrichment
-- Detail Story

TEHRAN: Iran's President Mohammad Khatami indicated on Sunday Tehran may halt uranium enrichment, which some Western governments say could be used to make atomic bombs, if it is allowed to keep its civilian atomic energy programme.

Asked by reporters if Iran was prepared to stop enriching uranium as the United States and several European countries have demanded, Mr Khatami said: "We will do whatever is necessary to solve the problems and in return we're expecting our rights to be preserved which is (the right) to have nuclear technology."

It was the first indication from a top Iranian official that Iran could mothball uranium enrichment facilities which it began building in 1985.

Iranian officials had previously insisted they had every right to continue enriching uranium to use in nuclear reactors.

Iranian officials have said the foreign ministers of Britain, France and Germany will visit Tehran this week to discuss a proposal to resolve Iran's nuclear standoff before a looming October 31 UN deadline for Tehran to prove it has no atomic arms ambitions.

Asked if Iran was prepared to accept those conditions, including halting uranium enrichment, Mr Khatami said: "We will do what is expedient for society and the nation. We have done our best for talks and exchanging views and we hope it will produce a result."

Mr Khatami said on Friday his country had no plans to build nuclear weapons and predicted that it would reach an agreement on its nuclear programme with the UN atomic watchdog.
3 posted on 10/20/2003 12:23:36 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran's Berlin Wall is Scarf of Women

19th of October, 2003

Nobel Peace Prize went to an Iranian woman this year. On one hand, President Khatami of Iran says Nobel Peace Prize is not that important and on the other hand, his colleagues are speaking that he deserved the Nobel Prize. I would like to ask Mr. Khatami a simple question. Does the woman, who has won the prize, have the right not to wear a scarf on her head in Iran, the same way Mr. Khatami is free to wear mollah's robe as he wishes?

Would President Khatami stop forcing scarf on Iranian women?

It is close to the end of the second term of President Khatami in Iran and he has pretended to be working for reforms in Iran and not only political prisoners are still in Evin prison or on the gallows, in the bigger prison, Iran itself, people have to self-censor themselves when talking about the atrocities of IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran), whether writing in the Iranian press or speaking to the foreign press abroad.

And the most obvious discrimination in Iran is against the women, which is in front of the eyes of any visitor, where anyone can see the Iranian women are forced to wear a veil or a scarf to walk on the streets. The Iranian women had won the right of what to wear almost a century ago and IRI has turned back the wheel of history for 24 years, forcing them to wear veils and scarves again.

This fascist practice has become so "normalized" that even the peace prize winner who did not wear the scarf when outside Iran, said that it is the law in Iran and this is why she wears it when in Iran, and stopped short of saying it is a fascist law, because the judgment by the people is curtailed in Iran to discard this and other similar laws, thus IRI *legally* stones, amputates and does other cruelties against the Iranian people.

Once Ronald Reagan challenged President Gorbachev of Soviet Union to bring down the Berlin Wall. Iran's Berlin Wall is the scarf of Women. I would like to challenge President Khatami to stop forcing scarf on Iranian women. This is the most obvious symbol of IRI Islamist coercion interfering in every aspect of private life of the Iranian people. The second degree citizen status of women is ritualized by the forced scarf symbol and is continued by murdering Iranian women for self-defense.

Of course if any woman wants to wear a veil or a scarf out of choice, that is their right and is not what I am discussing here. The same way that people could have built many walls in Berlin. But the point here is the *forcing* of veil and scarf on the women who otherwise have no desire to wear such clothing.

Sam Ghandchi, Publisher/Editor
4 posted on 10/20/2003 12:43:08 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Iran Invites 3 European FMs to Discuss Nuclear Issue

VOA News

Iran has invited the foreign ministers of Britain, France and Germany to Tehran to help settle an international dispute over its nuclear program.
Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said Sunday Iran hopes for a "constructive dialogue" with the three ministers. He did not announce a date for the visit.

Mr. Asefi says Iran has been in talks with the three countries since they sent a letter offering possible technical assistance in return for Iranian cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The IAEA has set an October 31st deadline for Iran to prove it is not trying to obtain nuclear weapons.

An IAEA team has been in Tehran since Saturday to negotiate Iran's signing of an additional protocol to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The protocol would allow for broader, unannounced searches of Iran's nuclear facilities.

The United States accuses Iran of secretly developing nuclear weapons. Iran says its nuclear program is only for generating electric power.

The IAEA is also calling on Iran to stop enriching uranium, which can be used to build nuclear weapons. Iran has so far not agreed to that demand.

If Iran does not comply with the requests, the agency could refer the issue to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose sanctions.
5 posted on 10/20/2003 12:47:01 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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6 posted on 10/20/2003 5:07:38 AM PDT by windchime
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Hard-liners already hold the best hand in Iran's political poker game. Now they are poised to pull a wild card from their sleeves. Conservative figures in the government and the leading conservative political factions are advocating the candidacy of Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) personnel for parliamentary office. The IRGC ground forces deputy commander in charge of cultural affairs, Brigadier General Alireza Azimi-Jahed, said on 3 October that having IRGC members in the parliament would help Iran, ILNA reported. He added that they could be candidates only after their resignations from the IRGC are accepted. Azimi-Jahed said, "if elected they would not try to establish a military attitude in the parliament."

According to Article 29 of the election law, armed forces personnel must leave the military at least two months before registering as candidates. They must discontinue all activities related to their previous profession. A conservative legislator from Tehran, Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel, said on 12 October that there is nothing wrong with military personnel serving in the parliament, ILNA reported. He noted that many of these people have served in various professional areas and now they want to bring their expertise to the legislature. Haddad-Adel conceded the likelihood of such candidates receiving right-wing support and added, "This is natural and it is not a crime for a current of thinking to support military men." Alluding to the reformists, Haddad-Adel said that some of them are much more militaristic than the armed forces personnel who would run for office. This would not be the first time that former military and security personnel stand for public office in Iran; they have done so in every election since 1979. What is significant now is that such a large number of such individuals are to run, and that this is reportedly part of an organized political plan. Reformists worry about the hostility expressed toward them previously by some IRGC and Basij leaders.

IRGC spokesman Commander Masud Jazayeri denies that that the Guards Corps has made specific recommendations to its personnel about participating in the election, "Iran" reported on 15 October. Jazayeri said that all government organizations, including the military, are prohibited from any action for or against a specific candidate. Another IRGC official, Commander Fathollah Jafari, added that the Guards Corps command announced formally before the last election that it would not support specific candidates or groups and it intends to do the same thing this time. "The Guards Corps is always trying to have a lively and purposeful presence in all the areas of social life," Jazayeri said according to "Iran." "The election is not an exception to that rule. However, there is a big difference between this kind of participation and interfering in the decisions of the voters and their elected representatives."

There have been many unsubstantiated claims that IRGC personnel voted overwhelmingly for the dark horse and reformist candidate, Hojatoleslam Mohammad Khatami, in the May 1997 presidential election. How will they vote in the parliamentary election? Will they vote for their comrades in arms, or do they bear an animosity toward the military leadership that would preclude such support? What about the general public: will appeals to patriotism and revolutionary values attract public support? (Bill Samii)

Source: RFE/RL Iran Report Vol. 6, No. 42, 20 October 2003
7 posted on 10/20/2003 5:53:47 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Iran's main reformist political group has just completed its annual two-day congress, but questions about the reformists' role in the February 2004 parliamentary election remain unanswered. Meanwhile, President Hojatoleslam Mohammad Khatami is encouraging the unenthusiastic reformists to participate in the election. The Islamic Iran Participation Party's (IIPP) fifth annual congress began on 16 October, and items on the agenda include domestic and foreign affairs, the upcoming parliamentary election, the economy, the performance of the party, and its activities in the coming year, ISNA reported. Participating in the congress are 147 provincial representatives, 113 central party officials, and 100 none-voting observers, including a vice president, cabinet ministers, and national-religious activists. Officials from the Islamic Iran Solidarity Party and the Executives of Construction Party were also guests at the congress.

IIPP Secretary-General Mohammad Reza Khatami, who is the deputy speaker of parliament and the president's younger brother, reportedly made some daring observations in his opening speech on 16 October. According to Mehrdad Serjooie's article in "Iran News" on 19 October, Khatami "openly question[ed] the powers of the Supreme Leader." He also said, according to dpa on 16 October, that fundamentalist interpretations of Islam by some of those in government are driving people away from religion and the Islamic system. "This will not only increase the trend towards secularism, especially among the youth, but also lead to more influence from abroad for overthrowing the system."

A milder version of the speech was provided by IRNA. Mohammad Reza Khatami said that Iran's constitution is adequate and does not need to be changed. The problem, according to Khatami, is not the absence of laws but the absence of the rule of law. He added that the constitution is implemented in an ambiguous manner, and the connection between responsibilities and accountability is missing. "Yas-i No" reported on 15 October that the rest of the sessions would be held behind closed doors. IIPP official Hussein Mahmudzadeh shed light on the course of these sessions, however, explaining that it is still not clear if the party will participate in the election. Many would like to leave some room to maneuver on the issue.

A little more than a week before the IIPP congress, in the evening of 8 October, leaders of the reformist 2nd of Khordad political factions met with President Khatami and parliament speaker Hojatoleslam Mehdi Karrubi to discuss the parliamentary election, IRNA reported on 9 October. Khatami said that a suitable atmosphere would ensure a massive public turnout, and he emphasized acting within a constitutional framework. Karrubi reportedly echoed Khatami's comments. All the meeting participants stressed the need for intra-factional unity. This was the second such meeting; the first took place on 2 October (see "RFE/RL Iran Report," 6 October 2003).

Second of Khordad groups went into the earlier meeting with a sense of despair about the upcoming election, the "Sharq" newspaper reported on 4 October. Some of the more radical reformist groups, such as the Mujahedin of the Islamic Revolution Organization, even advocated a boycott of the election. Yet President Khatami and Karrubi emphasized the importance of public participation, according to "Sharq." The performance of both the legislative and executive branches was criticized, and the need for their coordination and unity was stressed. Parliamentarian Jamileh Kadivar was at the meeting, and she said that the 2nd of Khordad groups expressed concern about restrictions on public choice in the election. The reformists' lack of success in getting laws amended also is worrisome to the country's top elected officials. Khatami and Karrubi met on 9 October with members of the Guardians' Council, Fars News Agency and state television reported. The meeting was convened on Khatami's invitation and reportedly was intended to address some of the differences between the elected executive and legislative branches of government and the unelected guardians -- namely, the establishment of provincial election-supervision offices, supervisory boards, and the fate of the twin bills. The bills were introduced in September 2002 and were intended to reduce the power of the Guardians' Council in elections and to strengthen presidential powers.

When asked about the outcome of the meeting, Karrubi was noncommittal, saying that there was a lot to discuss, such as the annual budget, the fourth development plan, the February parliamentary election, and other future elections. He said that differences should be reduced and "we should all move forward within the framework of the constitution and the aspirations of the imam." This latter series of meetings -- those of the reformists with Khatami and Karrubi, and that of the Guardians' Council with Khatami and Karrubi -- is indicative of the weak position in which the reformists find themselves only four months before the election. According to a report in "Entekhab" on 13 October, the absence of the Executives of Construction Party and of the student movement at these meetings raises questions about their role in the election. (Bill Samii)

Source: RFE/RL Iran Report Vol. 6, No. 42, 20 October 2003
8 posted on 10/20/2003 5:57:17 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Ahmad Vaseqinejad, secretary of the reformist Solidarity Party in Mazandaran Province, said on 30 September that the reformists could win 50-60 percent of the 290 seats in the February parliamentary election, ISNA reported. He said that parties and political groups will not be as relevant in this election as they were in the 2000 parliamentary election. The public has become frustrated with the reformist parties, he said, and he warned, "what happened in the local council elections [February 2003, when there was low voter turnout] could also happen in the parliamentary elections." Mohammad-Ali Minafar, secretary-general of the conservative Islamic Coalition Association in Mazandaran Province, said in the 29 September "Farhang-i Ashti" daily that the conservatives could win up to 150 seats (51 percent) in the upcoming parliamentary election.

Minafar said that the public is unhappy with the reformists because they did not fulfill their electoral slogans. He also predicted that some reformists would not win approval as candidates. (Bill Samii)

Source: RFE/RL Iran Report Vol. 6, No. 42, 20 October 2003
9 posted on 10/20/2003 5:59:28 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Agencies working in parallel to the Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) must cease their activities, government spokesman Abdullah Ramezanzadeh said during his weekly press conference on 13 October, IRNA reported. The MOIS expressed its concern about the creation of institutions that interfere with its activities during the most recent cabinet session, Ramezanzadeh added. President Mohammad Khatami said in an August speech to MOIS personnel that the establishment of any parallel intelligence organizations is unconstitutional and harmful to the state, and reformist parliamentarians complained about such agencies in July (see "RFE/RL Iran Report," 15 September 2003). Reacting to such complaints, President Khatami referred the issue to the Committee for the Implementation and Supervision of the constitution. Hojatoleslam Hashem Hashemzadeh-Harisi, who serves on this committee, said in the 7 October issue of "Iran" that the committee has opened its file on this matter and initial investigations on the existence of these bodies have been conducted.

"And now we have to see whether the existence of bodies of this kind contravenes the constitution or not," he added. Another committee has been created to investigate the activities of the Tehran Justice Department and the Tehran prosecutor-general, and ISNA reported on 3 October that the MOIS has provided the committee with a list of the parallel intelligence agencies. Parliamentarian Mohsen Armin, a member of this committee, told ISNA that although the MOIS has information on the parallel organizations it declined to turn it all over to the committee, "because of certain considerations." Armin did not enter into specifics.

An 8 October editorial in "Sharq," a neo-reformist daily, notes that this is the first time Iranian reformists are defending the centralization of the country's intelligence activities. This change began with the 1999 uncovering of alleged rogue agents in the MOIS who had killed a number of dissidents the previous year. This, in turn, led to the dismissal of many MOIS employees, especially those identified with Intelligence and Security Minister Ali Akbar Fallahian-Khuzestani (1989-1997). Since then, the MOIS reportedly has tried to stay out of the political fray, but this policy has not been without cost. MOIS chief Hojatoleslam Ali Yunesi said on 7 October, according to "Sharq," "We are the most unjustly treated institution in this country, but we shall pay the price of our independence. We even remain silent when they blame us for the crimes of others."

Another editorial, this one in the 14 October issue of the reformist daily "Yas-i No," noted that the just distribution of power in a democratic system is incompatible with the existence of unconnected and parallel institutions acting autonomously. Iran, however, has had to contend with parallelism in security and intelligence matters for several years. The current existence of parallel intelligence organizations leads to frustration and to weakness in the ruling system, according to the editorial. (Bill Samii)

Source: RFE/RL Iran Report Vol. 6, No. 42, 20 October 2003

Comment. MOIS head Ali Yunesi is afraid of predecessor Ali Akbar Fallahian, whose middle name nowadays should be read as "Rafsanjani akbar" i.e. RICO Rafsanjani is great.
10 posted on 10/20/2003 6:09:08 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Middle East Online

Iran theologians blast Ebadi's Nobel Prize win

TEHRAN - A group of clerics and theology students from Iran's clerical centre of Qom have hit out at the Nobel Peace Prize win of women's rights lawyer Shirin Ebadi saying it was part of a Western conspiracy against Islam.

In a statement carried by the hardline Jomhuri Eslami newspaper, the group from Qom's main seminary said: "The decision by the Western oppressive societies to award the prize to Ebadi was done in order to ridicule Islam."

The paper did not say how many people signed the statement, which also lamented that a "serious revolutionary confrontation with the tribe of infidels" had not yet taken place.

As for the "infidels", it voiced hope for their "tongues to be cut from their mouths and the poisonous pens broken in their hearts".

Keeping up its stiff criticism of Ebadi, the paper also quoted Mousa Qorbani - a prominent conservative MP - as comparing the Nobel laureate to British author Salman Rushdie, who was sentenced to death by Iran's revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini for writing "The Satanic Verses".

"Awarding the Nobel Prize to Ebadi is like rewarding Salmam Rushdie, the Zionist regime and US leaders," he was quoted as saying.

Ebadi was given the prize on October 10 for her efforts to promote democracy and human rights, especially in her campaign to change Iran's laws governing women and children.

Her reform efforts and her defence of political dissidents have earned her the loathing of powerful hardliners here.
11 posted on 10/20/2003 6:58:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Iran Opposed to Turkish Troop Deployment

October 19, 2003

Iran on Sunday for the first time voiced its reservations over the deployment of Turkish troops in Iraq, saying such a move should not be made without the consent of the United Nations or Iraqi people.

"We think any action in this regard has to be done with the consent of the UN and the Iraqi people," Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi told reporters.

"Any action outside of that framework will not only help the situation but will make the circumstances there more complex."

Although Turkey's parliament has approved sending troops to Iraq, Ankara appears to be less eager to rush into the restive country. Iraq's interim leadership has voiced strong opposition to any Turkish deployment.
12 posted on 10/20/2003 8:38:55 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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France Spurns Reliance on Force

October 20, 2003
BBC News

French Foreign Minister, Dominique de Villepin, has issued a strong warning against unilateral action and the use of force in solving international crises.

Mr de Villepin - delivering the BBC's annual Dimbleby lecture - said security could only be achieved through means that also promoted justice and stability.

He stressed that only such policies could defeat terrorism, and he questioned whether the use of force against Iraq had had the desired effects.

Mr de Villepin called on European countries to join forces with the United States and Russia to resolve the crisis over Iran's nuclear programme.

European ties

Calling on Britain to pool its sovereignty with other EU members, he said there could be "no Europe" without a common defence policy.

"Ours must be a political union. Were we to confine Europe to a mere free-trade area we would be betraying the spirit of the founding fathers and failing to seize the opportunity Europe offers to each of us."

Mr de Villepin said the new EU must have its own foreign policy and foreign minister, as well as a common defence policy.

"There can be no Europe without European defence and no European defence without Britain," he said.

Britain and France, he said, shared the same fierce sense of independence, national pride, a refusal to surrender and a faith in justice and freedom.

The two nations had a relationship of "irritation and fascination".

Mr de Villepin said countries could no longer act totally independently.

"No one state is in a position to respond on its own to the challenge of security, economic growth and social development," he said.

In the run-up to the Iraq war Mr de Villepin voiced France's opposition to the US-British stance on Iraq - but since then both sides have made efforts to heal the damaging rift.
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Iranian TV Office in Baghdad Raided

October 20, 2003
Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting

Tehran -- The US troops assailed the Iranian Arabic TV network, Al-Alam's office in Baghdad Sunday morning, IRIB correspondent in Baghdad reported.

The US military, backed with tanks and armoured vehicles, sealed off the Iranian TV office and disrupted the activities of the agency, the reporter said.

The move was sparked as the TV network aired footages of an American soldier who has been killed on Saturday, the US officials alledged.

The US raid on the office came minutes before a scheduled live interview with Iraq's health minister.
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Iran Voices Support to Syria

October 20, 2003
Arabic News
Syria-Iran, Politics

The Spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry Hamid Rida Asifi on Sunday condemned the socalled Syria Accountability Act legislation passed by the U.S. Congress, saying "such measures (efforts) are not new and represent continued unilateral, illogical American policies rejected by the international society."

Asifi told reporters in a news conference in Tehran that "the Act was passed in coordination with the Zionist entity to divert world attention from the barberic practices of Israel against the Palestinians and obstruct efforts to find a solution to the Palestinian issue."

On other issues, the Iranian official said his country have a right to the use of nuclear power for peaceful ends. Iran would continue to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency to attain required results as soon as possible if this would not harm the country's national sovereignty, he asserted.
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Remove those scarfs ~ now!

16 posted on 10/20/2003 8:42:55 AM PDT by blackie
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Iran Press Reflects Nuclear Tensions

October 20, 2003
BBC News

Iranian papers on both sides of the political spectrum expect the Europeans to play a role in easing the pressure on Tehran over its nuclear programme.

But one conservative daily sees the holding of last week's conference of the reformist Iran Participation Front party during a visit to Tehran by UN nuclear watchdog chief Mohammed ElBaradei as a ploy to raise the temperature.

The Europeans and the IAEA know very well that the bulk of the United States' pressure on Iran is because of Iran's objection to the one-sided hegemony sought by the Americans, and that Iran is not the only country to be harmed by it...

The Europeans now have an exceptional opportunity - by using Iran's positive viewpoints - to adopt rational methods to gain our country's cooperation and to present a new strategy in the face of America's unilateral and bullying ways.

Hamshahri (Conservative)

Bush's failure in his attempt to put on a display of power in Southeast Asia makes it clear that... the Republicans are not only in desperate need of help from their European allies to overcome regional and international crises, but that they will also have to accept as a fact the presence and influence of certain regional powers and to ask them for help too.

This development, especially in relation to Islamic Iran, will leave America no option but to end its enmity against our proud government and nation. Despite the inflexibility of Washington's unilateralist policy based on the idea of a unipolar world, America has no choice but to end its threats and pressures against our country and the region.

Quds (Conservative)

It would be naive if anyone failed to understand the clear fact that holding the (reformist Islamic Iran Participation Front) party congress during the visit to Tehran of (UN nuclear watchdog chief) ElBaradei and delegations of bogeymen from the IAEA was no coincidence.

These are links in a chain aimed at raising the political temperature in the county and lowering the system's threshold for being provoked.

Jomhuri-ye Eslami (Conservative)

Tehran is worried that the Europeans wish to repair their relations with Washington - which were damaged during the war on Iraq - at Iran's expense. At any rate, Europe has the respect of Iran and finds a listening ear in Iran when it voices its own independent stances, not when it behaves in a way that smacks of an effort to outdo Washington in antagonism towards the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Etemaad (Reformist)

It may well be that the impending visit to Tehran of the foreign ministers of three important European countries... is an indication of the Europeans' peace-seeking efforts, and that the signals the Iranians have sent in the past day or two about accepting the Additional Protocol are possibly a suitable response to this step by the EU, which will dramatically reduce the international pressure on Iran.

It may not be farfetched to imagine that the choice of Mrs Ebadi by the Nobel committee was also a step taken by the Europeans towards changing the rules of the game and seizing the initiative from the Americans.

Shargh (reformist)
17 posted on 10/20/2003 8:44:44 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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MPs Might Impeach Oil Minister Over Link of Iran Firm in Statoil Scandal

October 20, 2003
Payvand's Iran News

Iranian MP Nouroddin Pirmoazzen has said that the Majlis (parliament) will impeach Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zangeneh if the reported bribery by the Norwegian oil company Statoil to an Iranian firm is proved, IRNA reported from Tehran on Monday quoting the local press.

The Persian-language newspaper 'Mardomsalari' quoted Pirmoazzen as saying that the Majlis had been shocked over the reports of a wave of top official resignations in Statoil in connection with an alleged bribery of 15 million dollars to an Iranian company, stressing that this has made the MPs to consider summoning Zangeneh to the chamber. "Although sending a delegation from Iran to Norway to collect more data (about Statoil's bribery case) will be fruitful, the oil minister will be called to appear at the Majlis to clarify the details of the issue," he said.

"Mr. Zangeneh will definitely break his silence before the representatives of the people," Pirmoazzen said, addint that the MPs are waiting to hear Zangeneh's explanations on the issue, and that the oil minister will be impeached if the alleged bribery to the Iranian company is proved.

"If the issue is proved, Zangeneh's impeachment will be definite, and the MPs will not hesitate in dealing with that case," he said. "Still, according to what I know about Zangeneh, I am sure that he will leave the Oil Ministry himself if the bribery case is proved,"he maintained.
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Straw says EU Nuclear Mission to Iran Goes Ahead

October 20, 2003

LONDON -- Britain said three European Union foreign ministers were leaving for Tehran on Monday on a last ditch mission to try to resolve a standoff over Iran's nuclear programme.

''Resolving the doubts surrounding Iran's nuclear programme is of grave concern to the European Union and wider international community,'' British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in a statement.

''I will be travelling to Iran today with my French and German colleagues for talks on the (nuclear) issue at the invitation of the Iranian government,'' he added.

The visit by the three foreign ministers comes before an October 31 deadline set by the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog for Iran to disprove U.S.-led allegations that it may be developing a covert nuclear arms programme.

Diplomats from the three European countries had said up until the last minute that the visit was far from certain.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has also called on Iran to sign up to tougher, no-notice inspections of its nuclear sites. Iran says its nuclear facilities are geared to electricity generation.
19 posted on 10/20/2003 8:47:04 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran's reformers undecided over election boycott

Monday, October 20, 2003 - ©2003
TEHRAN, Oct 20, (AFP) --

Iran's main reformist party said Monday it had not yet decided whether to boycott forthcoming parliamentary elections, but warned it was ready to if it deemed the vote would not be free and fair.

"Election campaigning will continue. But we stress two conditions for our participation in the Majlis elections, that is that they be held in a free and fair manner," said a statement from the Islamic Iran Participation Front (IIPF).

Iran's next parliamentary elections are scheduled for February 20, 2004. The statement said the party would meet one month before the polls for an extraordinary congress at which it would take a final decision on whether to take part.

The IIPF statement was a clear warning to the Guardians Council, a conservative-controlled constitutional watchdog body which reformers accuse of abusing powers to vet candidates for public office to disqualify many of their supporters.

A recent attempt by the reformist-led parliament to strip the council of its vetting powers appears to have fizzled out.

The IIPF has also been unable to stop a number of its members being targeted by the hardline judiciary.

The party, which is headed by Mohammad Reza Khatami -- brother of reformist President Mohammad Khatami -- last week held a congress to map out its election strategy amid fears that voter apathy could deal the movement a major defeat.

The reformers have controlled parliament since 2000 but, faced with the overwhelming power wielded by hardliners in the judiciary and legislative watchdogs, little of their reform agenda has made it into law.

This has led to widespread disillusion among their key constituencies, women and young people, who stayed away in droves in municipal elections in February leading to an all-time low turnout.

With just a tiny percentage of people bothering to cast their ballots, conservatives -- relying on a committed hardcore support base -- won the day. Many observers see the same happening next year.
20 posted on 10/20/2003 8:51:13 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Thanks for the heads up!
21 posted on 10/20/2003 9:05:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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The french foreign minister said "No one state is in a position to respond on its own to the challenge of security, economic growth and social development," he said.

Is this from the country that bombed a ship in the port of Auckland, New Zealand and killed one person?
22 posted on 10/20/2003 9:09:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Free Iran ~ Now!
23 posted on 10/20/2003 9:32:46 AM PDT by blackie
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TEHRAN 29 Oct. (IPS)

British, French and German foreign ministers are due in Tehran tomorrow 21 October in an unprecedented joint effort to persuade the Islamic Republic to open up all its nuclear sites and programs to international inspectors, just ten days before the deadline fixed by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

On its 12 September meeting, members of the Vienna-based IAEA Board of Directors gave Iran until the end of October to sign the Additional Protocols to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and stop “at once” all its activities for enriching uranium, a vital process in the making of nuclear bomb.

The Protocols would allow international nuclear inspectors and technicians to travel to Iran at will and visit all the country’s nuclear-related sites without any restriction and have access to all atomic projects.

So far, Iranian clerical-led government has refused to bow and on Sunday, Hojjatoleslam Mohammad Khatami repeated again that while Iran is ready to “cooperate” with IAEA, yet it would not stop its uranium enriching programs.

Iranians insist that the nuclear powered projects they have under way, like the electricity plant at the Persian Gulf of Booshehr that is under construction with the help of Russia are strictly for civilian use.

But the United States and Israel, now joined by some major European nations are not that sure and believe that projects like Booshehr are “fronts” for concealing the build up of a nuclear arsenal.

What has reinforced their concern is the discovery of tow uranium enriching facilities that have been kept secret from the IAEA.

The Iranians say they were not under any obligation to declare these sites to United Nations nuclear inspectors when they bought second hand centrifuges for enriching uranium.

The joint ministerial by France, Britain and Germany follows the one concluded by Dr. Mohammad el-Bradeh’i, the General Director of the Agency who, before leaving Tehran last week, expressed cautious optimism about reaching a compromise with Iranian ruling ayatollahs on the issue of Iranian suspect nuclear activities.

"We found a mutual understanding", the French news agency AFP quoted Monday Dr Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's ambassador to the IAEA, after what he described as two days of "intensive negotiations" with IAEA experts.

“Iran has now has a more positive stance towards signing the Protocols”, AFP quoted Salehi as having said, adding it was now up to the Iranian leadership to make a final decision on the issue.

But in a statement made three weeks ago, Mr. El-Bradeh’i warned the Iranians that IAEA’ main concern now was the uranium enriching programs and not the signing the Protocols.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi reiterated Sunday that Iran does not acknowledge the deadline, but added that progress had been achieved during el-Bradehh’i visit to Tehran.

Diplomats say the European Union’ s big three have for months been engaged in an effort to convince Iran to fully comply with IAEA demands, and say they were unlikely to make such an unprecedented joint visit unless they were certain of some success in ending the current crisis.

The initiative for sending their foreign affairs ministers to Iran was taken a month ago by President Jacques Chirac of France, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder of Germany and British Prime Minister Tony Blair in a letter to their Iranian counterpart Mohammad Khatami, telling him openly that if the Islamic Republic fails to satisfy IAEA, it could face harsh international sanctions.

In the letter, the three leaders offered Iran also a carrot, suggesting that in return for its compliance, it would get nuclear technical assistance and possibly supplies of nuclear fuel for its atomic reactors.

While the German foreign ministry said the three would "make clear" concern over Iran's nuclear programme, the French set the tone of high expectations by noting "the Iranian authorities now seem prepared to announce a certain number of confidence-building measures aimed at the international community".

In London, British Foreign Affairs Minister Jack Straw said in a statement: "Resolving the doubts surrounding Iran's nuclear programme is of grave concern to the European Union and wider international community.

"We will be impressing upon the Iranian authorities the urgent need for compliance with all of the requirements of the resolution passed on September 12 by the board of governors of the IAEA".

Straw has made no less than five visits to Iran in just two years, de Villepin visited earlier this year and Fischer was in Iran in 2000.

Salehi said Iran would also satisfy the IAEA's demands for answers to a number of "outstanding issues" -- in other words serious questions sparked by the discovery here of highly enriched uranium by IAEA inspectors.

Iranian officials said the foreign ministers would be meeting with President Khatami.

IAEA legal experts ended two days of talks with Iranian officials on Sunday, Tehran radio reported. The team had arrived Saturday to discuss an additional protocol to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty that would allow more intrusive inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities. ENDS IAEA IRAN 201003
24 posted on 10/20/2003 11:26:23 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Kurds Wary of U.S. Promises

October 20, 2003
Jennifer Carlile

LONDON -- In the Kurdish Community Center in north London, Diyari Kurdi sips steaming black tea and calmly recounts the relatives he has lost to Saddam Hussein’s regime: Twenty-four were gassed by the Iraqi leader’s chemical attack on the country’s minority Kurds in 1988 .Then, when a CIA-backed Kurdish uprising against Saddam failed after the Gulf War in 1991, Iraqi security forces took revenge by killing Kurdi’s grandmother and nephew.

The Fear of Saddam’s long reach even extended to Kurdi’s 4-year-old daughter, who was born in London but has never seen the family’s ancestral home in northern Iraq. One morning, 11 years ago, she awoke screaming: “Dad! Saddam killed my uncle!”

Disturbed, because his daughter had never met her uncle, Kurdi contacted relatives still in northern Iraq. They confirmed his daughter’s nightmare — Kurdi’s 13-year-old-brother had been shot dead by Saddam’s forces.

“Every single Kurd has lost relatives,” said Kurdi, 41, originally from Sulamainy in northern Iraq. Kurdi spent five years fighting in the mountainous region before arriving in London as a refugee in 1983, five years after Saddam came to power and set out to stifle the minority Kurds.

For most of their years in exile, Britain’s Iraqi Kurds have watched bitterly as Saddam has kept an iron grip on power. Meeting in community centers with some of the country’s 110,000 Kurds for cultural and social events and, occasionally, political rallies, their hopes of returning home were dashed long ago.


But as the United States girds for war with Iraq, and President Bush openly calls for Saddam’s ouster, history has taught the Kurds to be wary of American promises. Here in Britain, the Iraqi Kurds are refusing to be swayed by sentiment alone.

Washington sees Kurdish support as key to any military action in the region. Among Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq, the United States could count on a loyal guerrilla force of 75,000. The Iraqi Kurdish diaspora, with education and skills obtained in exile, is also seen as key to a post-Saddam Iraq.

Let down by Washington in 1975 and again after the Gulf War, this time Kurds say their leaders are demanding promises of safety and a role in an Iraq without Saddam.

“Kurds more than anybody else want to get rid of Saddam’s regime,” Kurdi said. “But America and Britain have their own plan — their own agenda. The United States and Britain let the Kurds down so many times. What are we going to get this time?”


The Kurds are considered the world’s largest nation without a state of their own. Denied their independence after World War One today 20-25 million Kurds live in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Syria, as well as in Western nations where they have fled repressive regimes.

Iraqi Kurds faced persecution under Saddam’s rule throughout the 1980s. Human Rights Watch puts the number who died in the dictator’s largest campaign of extermination against Kurds at 50,000-100,000.

In just one of dozens of poison gas attacks, 5,000 civilians were killed in the town of Halabja, the first time chemical gasses were used to exterminate women and children since the Holocaust. The local population continues to suffer from high instances of cancer and birth defects.

The Kurds complain they’ve been used as political pawns for decades.

In the 1970s, amid a territorial dispute between Iraq and neighboring Iran, the Kurds aligned themselves with Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi of Iran, who was backed by Washington. But when Baghdad and Tehran made peace over the disagreement, the United States cut off all support to the Kurds. The Iraqi army took revenge by killing thousands.

After the 1991 Gulf War, with Saddam still in power, the CIA orchestrated an uprising using opposition among the northern Kurdish and southern Shia populations to overthrow the Iraqi leader. But when the Kurds rose to the challenge, the first President Bush shied away.

Thousands were slaughtered by Saddam’s forces, and thousands more fled over the borders to Turkey and Iran. As news of the televised catastrophe spread, the Bush administration responded by declaring the “safe haven” in northern Iraq so that the surviving refugees could return home and live shielded from Saddam’s military.

Iraqi Kurds faced persecution under Saddam’s rule throughout the 1980s. Human Rights Watch puts the number who died in the dictator’s largest campaign of extermination against Kurds at 50,000-100,000.

In just one of dozens of poison gas attacks, 5,000 civilians were killed in the town of Halabja, the first time chemical gasses were used to exterminate women and children since the Holocaust. The local population continues to suffer from high instances of cancer and birth defects.

The Kurds complain they’ve been used as political pawns for decades.

In the 1970s, amid a territorial dispute between Iraq and neighboring Iran, the Kurds aligned themselves with Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi of Iran, who was backed by Washington. But when Baghdad and Tehran made peace over the disagreement, the United States cut off all support to the Kurds. The Iraqi army took revenge by killing thousands.

After the 1991 Gulf War, with Saddam still in power, the CIA orchestrated an uprising using opposition among the northern Kurdish and southern Shia populations to overthrow the Iraqi leader. But when the Kurds rose to the challenge, the first President Bush shied away.

Thousands were slaughtered by Saddam’s forces, and thousands more fled over the borders to Turkey and Iran. As news of the televised catastrophe spread, the Bush administration responded by declaring the “safe haven” in northern Iraq so that the surviving refugees could return home and live shielded from Saddam’s military.

Now, although enticed by the hope of overthrowing Saddam, Washington’s plans fill them with suspicion and fear. “America’s agenda is not clear to us, and we don’t believe in promises anymore,” Kurdi said. “But if tomorrow Bush’s actions win us our freedom his statue will be everywhere.”

Other Kurds in exile say they are ready to throw their support behind Washington, as long as the Bush administration lives up to promises to protect the Kurdish population in Iraq.

Taha Kala, 34, also from Sulamainy, was forced to join Iraq’s military ranks in 1990. A translator who speaks four languages, he shifted between American and British English when explaining that he spent one day on the Jordanian border working with Iraqi anti-aircraft weaponry just after the invasion of Kuwait. The next day, he deserted.

“I did not want to die for my enemy,” he said.

Kala fought in the 1991 uprising and watched his best friend die outside of Kirkuk, also in Iraq’s north, then hid in the mountains of Iran with his parents and five sisters. Despite his anger at past betrayals, Kala said, “no one in this area is better for us than America.”

Washington, too, has plenty of worries about its once and future Kurdish allies. Kurds have long sought an independent state in the region, a development that could destabilize the oil-rich area — with millions of Kurds living in neighboring Turkey, Syria and Iran.

As Washington has increased its preparations for a war against Iraq, however, fractious Kurdish political parties have given assurances that they would settle for autonomy under a new Baghdad government. But the various factions have still failed to unite. An opposition conference scheduled for Tuesday in Brussels — postponed for a fourth time — was the latest casualty of the bickering between anti-Saddam parties, including the Kurds.

If Saddam is ousted from power and the Kurds attain a protected area for themselves, however, many Kurds who have received asylum in other countries are expected to return to their birth land. But after decades building a life abroad, dissident Kurdi said the move won’t be easy.

“I have two daughters born in Britain and a British passport. I have British friends from all classes and foreign friends from many countries,” Kurdi said. “But if I could go back tomorrow I would go. I would be proud to be there.”

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25 posted on 10/20/2003 12:45:07 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Sudanese Official Makes Repeated Trips to Iran

October 20, 2003
Radio Free Europe
Bill Samii

Sudanese Interior Minister Brig. Abdelrahim Mohammed Hussein is showing a great affinity for Iranian hospitality, visiting Iran in mid-October just three months after his last trip.

Iranian First Vice President Mohammad Reza Aref-Yazdi told the visiting Sudanese interior minister on 15 October that the expansion of relations would not only benefit the two countries, it would help the Islamic community as a whole, IRNA reported. The Sudanese guest responded that the two countries have similar views on Iraq, Palestine, and the peaceful use of nuclear energy.

Hussein, who is also the chairman of the Board of Directors of Sudan's Defense Industries, met on 14 October with Minister of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Ali Shamkhani, IRNA reported. Shamkhani told his guest, "Unipolarism which toes the line of a Zionist minority has targeted its attacks toward [the] world of Islam." Hussein called for greater defense and security cooperation between the two countries.

Hussein also visited Iran for three days in early July. During that trip he met with Interior Minister Abdolvahed Musavi-Lari on 3 July, and called for Iranian assistance to be provided to the Sudanese police forces, ISNA reported. The next day, Musavi-Lari and Hussein signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on cooperation in fighting organized crime and police training, IRNA reported.

Hussein was part of a larger delegation during the July trip, which was headed by First Vice President Ali Othman Mohammad Taha. While in Tehran, Taha met with President Khatami, Republic of Sudan Radio reported. On 4 July, the two sides signed two MOUs -- the one mentioned above on law enforcement, and one addressing cooperation in science, research, and higher education.

Sudanese Minister of Energy and Mining Awad al-Jaz and Minister of Investment al-Cherif Ahmad Omar Badr came to Iran at the end of July. Al-Jaz met with Khatami on 29 July, IRNA reported, and they discussed cooperation in commerce, customs, and aviation. Al-Jaz met parliament speaker Hojatoleslam Mehdi Karrubi on 30 July, and Karrubi said that the legislature is ready to expand Iran's commercial and political ties with Sudan, especially in the inter-parliamentary union, IRNA reported. The Iranian and Sudanese sides signed six MOUs on 30 July, Khartoum's "Al-Ray al-Amm" reported the next day. These addressed agriculture, banking, customs, education, and trade.
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27 posted on 10/20/2003 1:05:46 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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We have just joined forces with a large number of Iranian Blogs. Check out the listing below.

We are the first listing:
"American's For Regime Change in Iran!"

As a result, we may see new visitors to our thread, please be aware that these visitors may not be conservatives like most of us. Please don't flame them but rather engage them in interesting discussions.

It should prove fun!

28 posted on 10/20/2003 1:44:32 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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29 posted on 10/20/2003 1:46:25 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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DOC, looks like you have a healthy discussion going on in here.. have you every thought of creating a BLOG - which is perfect for what you are doing, but a lot more organized..

HIGH RECOMMEND doing a blog :) there's a lot of easy to use software out there as well... And individuals can still comment and discuss on your posts..!


30 posted on 10/20/2003 2:03:09 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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See above number 29.

Welcome to Freerepublic, faludeh_shirazi.
31 posted on 10/20/2003 2:31:43 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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I have been cosidering this for some time now.
Perhaps now I will finally start such a blog.

I am glad you have joined us here.

32 posted on 10/20/2003 2:52:37 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran Cleric Calls Khamenei 'Dictator'

October 20, 2003
Dow Jones Newswires
The Associated Press

TEHRAN -- Reformist cleric Mohsen Kadivar called Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei a dictator late Monday at a fast-breaking meeting following a daylong fast in protest of the hard-line government.

"Your rule was expected to promote justice. What we see now is the rule of a dictator," Kadivar said, drawing wild applause from the audience.

Hundreds of reformist lawmakers, students and political activists held a daylong fast Monday to protest the hard-line establishment's crackdown on freedoms.

"We are refusing to eat and drink today to protest lack of legitimate freedoms and violation of the basic human rights of political prisoners," leading reformist lawmaker Ali Shakourirad told The Associated Press at the beginning of the fast.

Shakourirad was among more than 110 fasting reformist lawmakers from Iran's 290-seat parliament.

After sunset Monday, protesters met at the headquarters of the Islamic Iran Participation Front, Iran's largest reformist political party, to break their fast. Others attended fast-breaking meetings in provincial capitals.

Iran has been embroiled in a power struggle between elected reformers supporting President Mohammad Khatami's program of peaceful democratic reforms and hard-liners resisting them through powerful, but unelected, bodies they control.

Shakourirad urged hard-liners to "stop jailing Iran's best writers, teachers and intellectuals and abandon violating their rights."

Criticizing Khamenei is considered a taboo in Iran and critics are subject to punishment.
33 posted on 10/20/2003 3:09:08 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran Cleric Calls Khamenei 'Dictator'

October 20, 2003
Dow Jones Newswires
The Associated Press
34 posted on 10/20/2003 3:10:06 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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35 posted on 10/20/2003 3:13:00 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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36 posted on 10/20/2003 4:32:26 PM PDT by nuconvert
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You absolutely must... There are free IRan blog sites you can go to if you do't wish to set the software up yourself.. But really, for what you do, the blog formate will work great - and you can still do all the graphics,discussion,etc..!

37 posted on 10/20/2003 5:05:52 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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Ping to 37.
38 posted on 10/20/2003 5:28:17 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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On one hand, President Khatami of Iran says Nobel Peace Prize is not that important and on the other hand, his colleagues are speaking that he deserved the Nobel Prize.

Khatami tries to denigrate the award in classic sour grapes fashion, yet his jealousy is revealed in the bleatings of his lackies.

This then is why he and his ilk must subjugate women:

These so-called men cannot achieve excellence and are humiliated when excellence is achieved by others--and women at that!

39 posted on 10/20/2003 5:56:11 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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EU ministers put pressure on Iran

Straw in joint mission with French and German counterparts to secure nuclear agreement with Tehran

Ewen MacAskill and Dan de Luce in Tehran
Tuesday October 21, 2003
The Guardian

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, and two other European foreign ministers flew to Tehran last night expecting to secure a significant concession from the Iranian government in the diplomatic standoff over its alleged secret plan to build a nuclear bomb.

In a rare show of European unity, Mr Straw, Joschka Fischer, the German foreign minister, and Dominique de Villepin, his French counterpart, are scheduled to meet Iranian leaders today in a single mission.

Their main meeting is with Dr Hassan Rouhani, secretary of Iran's supreme national security council.

European officials have gone to Tehran over the past fortnight to prepare the ground and there is optimism that Iranian leaders are prepared to give ground before an October 31 deadline.

Iranian officials indicated yesterday that an announcement would be made today clearing the way for an end to months of stalemate.

The compromise deal would require Iran to open its doors to intrusive inspections in return for access to civilian nuclear technology and fuel.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations watchdog on nuclear proliferation, is suspicious that Iran has embarked on a covert nuclear weapons programme and set the deadline for Iran to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Iran denies it is attempting to build a nuclear bomb.

The three foreign ministers were invited to Iran two weeks ago by the Iranian foreign ministry. The three, in discussions among themselves over the past fortnight, decided they would only undertake such a high-profile visit if there was the chance of a positive outcome.

Mr Straw has invested an unusual amount of time in Iran since becoming foreign secretary two years ago. This is his fifth visit. He has persisted in spite of a cooling in the relationship over the past few months that has seen several attacks in which shots have been fired at the British embassy in Tehran.

Before leaving yesterday evening, Mr Straw said: "Resolving the doubts surrounding the Iranian nuclear programme is of grave concern to the European Union and to the wider international community." He added that the three ministers "will be pressing on the Iranian authorities the urgent need for compliance with all the [IAEA] requirements".

The three are looking for a concession in at least one of three areas: Iran agreeing to full cooperation with the IAEA; Iran signing an additional protocol to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty that would allow IAEA inspectors to make surprise visits to Iranian sites; and the suspension of Iran's uranium enrichment programme, which the US and Europe claims is being undertaken in order to build a bomb.

In return, the three European foreign ministers will pledge to help Iran with an "assured fuel supply" with technical assistance in modernising its civil nuclear programme.

Agreeing to the deal will require Iran's theocratic leadership to forsake the possibility of developing a nuclear deterrent, something favoured by the more hardline elements in the clerical establishment.

"This will certainly infuriate the hardliners," said one Iranian analyst. "But Iran will benefit and so will Europe."

The powerful former president of Iran, Hashemi Rafsanjani, was quoted in Iranian newspapers as saying: "We are involved in one of the most crucial moments for our country and a final decision should be made."

Iran's supreme national security council met yesterday and consulted the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to confirm Iran's stance on the compromise arrangement.

A European diplomat told the Guardian that a compromise agreement had been reached but that important details would be discussed in today's meetings. "It's safe to say they would not be travelling here if there was not already substantial agreement.",11538,1067535,00.html
40 posted on 10/20/2003 6:32:07 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Setbacks dog U.S. Iran policy

Around the world, Tehran has friends
Iraq lacked

By Michael Moran

June 20 — The United States began to show its teeth to Iran this week after a series of diplomatic setbacks dashed optimistic predictions of administration officials that an international consensus had formed about taking concrete steps to curb Iran’s nuclear program. The souring of the administration’s outlook was on display Friday as John Bolton, the hawkish undersecretary of state for arms control issues, said that military action against Iran is an option the U.S. is studying should diplomatic efforts to prevent Iran from building a nuclear arsenal fail.

“THE PRESIDENT HAS repeatedly said that all options are on the table, but that is not only not our preference, it is far, far from our minds,” Bolton told the British Broadcasting Corp. On Thursday, President Bush also toughened his public stance, saying that the U.S. would “not tolerate” a nuclear weapons program in Iran.

The speedy decline of the U.S. effort to win broader support illustrates an important fact: Iran is viewed quite differently from Iraq or even North Korea by most of the world’s nations. In spite of its record as a supporter of terrorist groups and its repressive Islamic leadership, it is more democratic than many states that the United States regards as allies, and its strong oil and energy industries make it an attractive investment opportunity.


As recently as a week ago, administration officials were citing support from Russia, the Group of Eight industrialized nations and the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as proof of the progress being made by the U.S.-led effort to curb nuclear proliferation, which Bush has described as “topping the agenda” now that Saddam Hussein has been toppled.

But since then, across the board, actions the U.S. had hoped would lead to a strong condemnation of Iran for refusing to allow open inspections of all suspect nuclear facilities have fallen short.

A U.S. diplomat in New York, who asked to remain anonymous, said the U.S. had hoped the IAEA would declare Iran in “non-compliance” with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which Tehran is a signatory. Such a move automatically places the issue on the agenda of the U.N. Security Council, which is empowered to impose economic sanctions and take other steps. The U.S. used similar pressure to win an IAEA condemnation of North Korea’s nuclear activities. But North Korea’s case is more clear: It formally withdrew from the nuclear treaty last year and has since publicly acknowledged its nuclear weapons research.

Toward Iran, however, “there just isn’t any support for this, for whatever reason,” the U.S. diplomat says. IAEA Director Mohammed ElBaradei, whose agency issued a report critical of Iran for refusing IAEA requests for open inspections at some sites, “still hopes he can convince the Iranians to let his guys in,” the diplomat says.


The U.S. campaign to isolate Iran is running up against multiple troubles, analysts say. The most important, according to a U.N. diplomat, is the continued anger directed at the U.S. for its decision to deal with Iraq unilaterally.

“A lot of member states were willing to sanction some kind of action, but only after nuclear inspections ran their course,” the diplomat says. “The fact that no banned weapons have turned up isn’t helping. … Some are saying, ‘Why believe them this time?’”

That attitude, for instance, appears to have persuaded more moderate members of the IAEA board to side with its director, ElBaradei, in seeking to win full cooperation from Iran before doing anything that might be seized upon by the U.S. as an opening for military action.

Another problem is Russia’s unwillingness to climb fully on board with the U.S. effort. Russia is earning $800 million for constructing a nuclear power reactor in the Iranian city of Bushehr. Bush, using his good personal ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin, recently asked Moscow to link further work on the reactor with Iran’s complete compliance with IAEA demands. But Putin refused, saying he had faith that Iran’s nuclear program was about energy production and not weaponry. The U.S. has dismissed this assessment, pointing out that Iran’s huge gas and oil reserves produce energy more cheaply and noting recent evidence that Iran is producing heavy water, a component of nuclear weapons but not something that is needed for the light water reactor the Russians are finishing.

On Friday, Putin reiterated his decision after a phone call from Iran’s President Mohammed Khatami. “The Iranian leadership is ready to fully meet all the IAEA demands regarding control over its nuclear program, Putin told reporters. He did not elaborate, and Iran continued to refuse IAEA demands to open several suspect facilities to inspection.

Iran's Tortured Path

The U.S. also lacks its own economic leverage since it never re-established ties or lifted economic sanctions that were the result of the 1979 seizure by Islamic revolutionaries of the U.S. Embassy and American hostages in Tehran.


While U.S. diplomacy continued to be unconvincing to most of the world, there are bright spots from the administration’s point of view. In the past two weeks, students demanding democracy and an end to “absolutism” by the Islamic clerics who rule Iran again have taken to the streets. The demonstrations have been sporadic and largely free of violence, but some analysts see significance in the fact that the Iranian government has permitted them to continue even though Tehran has blamed the U.S. for fomenting them.

A more concrete sign that the Bush administration may be making some progress is in the European Union. This week, senior European Union officials, as well as Britain’s Foreign Minister Jack Straw, insisted that they would demand full Iranian compliance before signing a trade deal with Tehran that the Iranian government has been urgently seeking.
41 posted on 10/20/2003 6:39:55 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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E.U.'s Iran nuke mission under way

Monday, October 20, 2003 Posted: 8:56 PM EDT (0056 GMT)

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- British, French and German foreign ministers have converged on Tehran with a carrot and stick proposal aimed at persuading Iran to dispel all doubts its nuclear programme could be used to make atomic bombs.

Diplomats said the key issue in Tuesday's talks would be whether Iran insisted on continuing its plans to master the entire nuclear fuel cycle, including enriching uranium. Recent signals from Tehran suggest possible moves to compromise.

The EU ministers are visiting Iran less than two weeks before an October 31 deadline set by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for Tehran to disprove U.S.-led allegations it is conducting a covert nuclear arms program.

"The IAEA resolution ... imposed very serious obligations on Iran and it's for Iran to show to (IAEA chief Mohamed) ElBaradei and the IAEA board in early November that it is complying," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told reporters en route to Tehran.

"Our trip is intended to encourage them to do so."

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer arrived in Tehran a few hours before Straw while France's Dominique de Villepin was due to land shortly before the talks begin on Tuesday morning.

Underscoring a notably softer tone from Iran in recent days over the nuclear issue, President Mohammad Khatami hinted for the first time on Sunday that Tehran could mothball uranium enrichment facilities it began building in 1985. Some Western powers fear they could be used to produce weapons-grade uranium.

Asked if Iran may stop enriching uranium, he told reporters: "We will do whatever is necessary to solve the problems."

But a British official played down the prospect of a breakthrough at the Tehran talks.

Tangible result
"What we hope is that the net contribution of all these efforts is we end up with Iran abandoning whatever aspirations it has in the nuclear weapons stakes," he said.

"We're not going to judge it by whether there is a tangible result tomorrow. It may be that the tangible result is reflected in the ElBaradei report," to the IAEA board on November 20.

Iran insists its sophisticated network of nuclear facilities is aimed at generating electricity, not making bombs.

ElBaradei has warned Iran's case may go to the U.N. Security Council if he is unable to verify in his November report that Iran has no intention of building nuclear arms.

U.N. inspectors have found arms-grade enriched uranium at two Iranian facilities this year, but Iran blames this on contamination from machinery it bought on the black market.

Low grade enriched uranium is used as fuel in atomic reactors but highly enriched uranium can be used to make atomic weapons.

Diplomats said the E.U. ministers would demand Iran cooperate fully with the IAEA, accept tougher U.N. inspections and halt uranium enrichment.

In return, the ministers would offer to recognize Iran's right to a civilian nuclear energy program, give some technical assistance and guarantee Iran's access to imported fuel for nuclear power plants.

The EU foreign ministers will meet President Khatami, Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi and Supreme National Security Council chief Hassan Rohani on Tuesday, diplomats said.

ElBaradei, who has described the European initiative as a "win-win" scenario, was assured during a visit to Tehran last week that Iran would answer all the IAEA's outstanding questions about its nuclear program and was willing to accept tighter inspections.
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Intelligence: Iran building nuke sites

Sites point to nuclear weapons development

By Robert Windrem

Dec. 13 — A senior U.S. official told NBC News on Thursday that recent intelligence indicates Iran is building two large and potentially significant nuclear facilities south of Tehran. Moreover, there may be other facilities yet undiscovered. The information raises fears that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program more actively than previously thought.

THE NEWLY REVEALED facilities are a combination nuclear research lab and gas centrifuge plant for producing enriched uranium at Natanz and a heavy-water production plant at Arak, both south of Tehran.

The heavy-water production facility is the more significant of the two, said one senior U.S. official, noting that heavy water is used to moderate nuclear reactions in research reactors that are ideal for producing plutonium. Iran is not known to have any such reactors — so the heavy-water facility could be an indication that the Iranians have a reactor that the United States is not aware of.

The combination could indicate Iran is pursuing both routes to a nuclear weapon — highly enriched uranium and plutonium, making its program much more ambitious than previously revealed.

“They certainly are suspicious,” said the U.S. official of the facilities at Natanz and Arak, adding that “another facility — the research reactor — is possible.”


“It looks like a large uranium enrichment plant at Natanz... We think centrifuges,” said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security, which has analyzed satellite imagery of the facilities. “The plant is huge, 100,000 square feet, and indicates outside help.” Albright said his group, the CIA and IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) have all come to the same conclusion. Centrifuges are the most efficient way to separate weapons-grade uranium for use in nuclear weapons.

The Natanz site is a possible uranium enrichment facility, possibly a gas centrifuge site. It is located approximately 100 miles south of Tehran.

In addition, says Albright, it is difficult to believe that Iran would have built such a large plant without first experimenting with a pilot enrichment facility, though U.S. officials know of no such facility in Iran.

The biggest concern, though, says Albright, is the heavy-water facility at Arak. “Iran doesn’t need a heavy-water plant unless it has a heavy-water reactor, and we don’t know of any such reactor.” Heavy-water reactors have been used by several aspiring nuclear states to produce plutonium.

“There has to be a heavy-water reactor somewhere,” he said, echoing the U.S. official.

The existence of the facilities at Natanz and Arak was first revealed in August by an Iranian opposition group, but not confirmed by U.S. officials until Thursday. In August, Ali Reza Jafarzadeh, a Washington representative of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, stated: “These two secret sites are away from the monitoring of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the purpose of these sites is both for the production of nuclear fuel and also the research and expertise to be able to make the bomb.”

Neither facility has been “declared” to the IAEA, the UN agency that monitors nuclear developments to ensure they are peaceful.

Under its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty commitments, Iran must declare any nuclear site to the IAEA in Vienna and permit inspectors to visit the facilities. However, under the treaty, the Iranians do not have to declare a facility to the IAEA until it is complete.

The IAEA reacted to the dissident group’s disclosure by asking for an inspection in September and ordering commercial satellite imagery of the areas, ultimately discovering the two facilities. Iran has rebuffed the IAEA twice, most recently canceling a visit scheduled for last week. The IAEA is now scheduled to visit the plants in February.

Iran insisted on Friday it had no hidden nuclear activities and said the International Atomic Energy Agency was welcome to inspect any nuclear facilities in the country it had information about.

“We don’t have any hidden atomic activities. All our nuclear activities are for non-military fields,” government spokesman Abdollah Ramazanzadeh told reporters.

“The International Atomic Energy Agency is informed about our (nuclear) activities and the use of nuclear material either for research, chemical or medicine.

“And they can visit wherever in Iran that either we have informed them about or they have information about,” he added.

Albright dismisses Iran’s denial, saying the Iranian plans for nuclear weapons appear “grandiose” based on what is evident from the size of the facilities at Natanz and Arak as well as what is not yet revealed.


Previously, much of the attention on Iran’s nuclear weapons program was focused on a huge nuclear reactor being completed by Russian and Iranian engineers at Bushehr on Iran’s Persian Gulf coast.

The Russians managed to allay U.S. concerns about the project, insisting that Iran’s nuclear program was entirely peaceful. Intelligence officials agreed at the time that the Russian reactors were for civilian use. “What concerns us are the contacts the Iranians can establish in Russia or former Soviet states for acquiring other equipment and the expertise Iran develops under this program,” said one official.

“Iranians are very xenophobic; they want to buy one and figure out how to make their own rather than just buy outright,” said another. “They’re clearly working at a nuclear weapons program, although not as intently as the Iraqis. It will be years yet before they have nuclear capability. We can’t stop it, but we can slow it.”

The United States has long believed that the Iranian program has been plagued by incompetence and corruption that has hindered its success. Recent changes in the management of the program have led to some reforms and acceleration of the program.

In related news, Iran’s state-run television reported Thursday that the country was considering construction of a second major nuclear power plant and had ordered a feasibility study on the project. The country’s first nuclear power station, at Bushehr, has been declared to the International Atomic Energy Agency, and is slated to go on line next year with Russian help.

“The council has authorized Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization to study the construction of a new 1,000-megawatt plant with due consideration of environmental standards using the experience achieved from the completion of the first unit of Bushehr nuclear power plant,” Tehran television reported.

It said the decision was made during a council meeting Wednesday attended by First Vice President Mohammad Reza Aref.

It was not clear if Russia would be involved in the construction of the new plant. The Kremlin has floated preliminary plans to help Iran build five more nuclear reactors over the next 10 years.

Both Russia and Iran insist that the Bushehr plant will be strictly for civilian purposes and open to international inspection. However, successive U.S. administrations have expressed concern over the plant.

The Bush administration has offered Russia economic incentives to abandon the Bushehr project but the Russians have not accepted the offer. Russia has denied consistently it is helping Iran develop nuclear weapons or with its missiles program.

In September, Russia drew up a plan for the return of spent nuclear fuel from Bushehr, seeking to allay U.S. concerns that the fuel could be used by terrorists and others to build weapons of mass destruction.

Robert Windrem is an investigative producer for NBC News, based in New York. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
43 posted on 10/20/2003 6:45:02 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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New Cheney Adviser Sets Syria In His Sights

Analysis - By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON, Oct 20 (IPS) - A neo-conservative strategist who has long called for the United States and Israel to work together to ''roll back'' the Ba'ath-led government in Syria has been quietly appointed as a Middle East adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney.

David Wurmser, who had been working for Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, joined Cheney's staff under its powerful national security director, I. Lewis ''Scooter'' Libby, in mid-September, according to Cheney's office.

The move is significant, not only because Cheney is seen increasingly as the dominant foreign-policy influence on President George W. Bush, but also because it adds to the notion that neo-conservatives remain a formidable force under Bush despite the sharp plunge in public confidence in Bush's handling of post-war Iraq resulting from the faulty assumptions propagated by the ''neo-cons'' before the war.

Given the recent intensification of tensions between Washington and Damascus -- touched off by this month's U.S. veto of a United Nations Security Council resolution deploring an Israeli air attack on an alleged Palestinian camp outside Damascus -- Wurmser's rise takes on added significance.

The move also follows House of Representatives' approval of a bill that would impose new economic and diplomatic sanctions against Syria.

Wurmser's status as a favoured protege of arch-hawk and former Defence Policy Board chairman Richard Perle at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) also speaks loudly to Middle East specialists, who note Perle's long-time close association with Cheney, Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld and Rumsfeld's chief deputy Paul Wolfowitz.

Wolfowitz was the first senior administration official to suggest that Washington might take action against Syria amid reports last April that Damascus was sheltering senior Iraqi leaders and weapons of mass destruction in the wake of the U.S. invasion.

''There's got to be a change in Syria,'' Wolfowitz said, accusing the government of President Bashar Assad of ''extreme ruthlessness''. Rumsfeld subsequently accused Syria of permitting Islamic ''jihadis'' to infiltrate Iraq to fight U.S. troops.

Perle, who last week was in Israel to receive a special award from the ''Jerusalem Summit'', an international group of right wing Jews and Christian Zionists who describe themselves as defenders of ''civilisation'' against ''Islamic fundamentalism'', has made no secret of his own desire to confront Damascus.

In a series of interviews, Perle applauded Israel's attack on Syrian territory -- the first since the 1967 war -- in alleged retaliation for a Palestinian suicide bombing in Israel. ''I am happy to see the message was delivered to Syria by the Israeli Air Force, and I hope it is the first of many such messages,'' he said.

Perle said he ''hope(d)'' the United States would itself take action against Damascus, particularly if it turned out that Syria was acting as a financial or recruiting base for the insurgency in Iraq.

''Syria is itself a terrorist organisation,'' he asserted, insisting that Washington would not find it difficult to send troops to Damascus despite its commitment in Iraq. ''Syria is militarily very weak,'' added Perle.

Damascus has been in Wurmser's sights at least since he began working with Perle at AEI in the mid-1990s.

For the latter part of the decade, he wrote frequently to support a joint U.S.-Israeli effort to undermine then-President Hafez Assad in hopes of destroying Baathist rule and hastening the creation of a new order in the Levant to be dominated by ''tribal, familial and clan unions under limited governments''.

Indeed, it was precisely because of the strategic importance of the Levant that Wurmser advocated overthrowing Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in favour of an Iraqi National Congress (INC) closely tied to the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan.

''Whoever inherits Iraq dominates the entire Levant strategically,'' he wrote in one 1996 paper for the Jerusalem-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS).

Wurmser, whose Israeli-born spouse Meyrav Wurmser heads Middle East studies at the neo-conservative Hudson Institute, was the main author of a 1996 report by a task force convened by the IASPS and headed by Perle, called the 'Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000'.

The paper, called 'A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm', was directed to incoming Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

It featured a series of recommendations designed to end the process of Israel trading ''land for peace'' by transforming the ''balance of power'' in the Middle East in favour of an axis consisting of Israel, Turkey and Jordan.

To do so, it called for ousting Saddam Hussein and installing a Hashemite leader in Baghdad. From that point, the strategy would be largely focused on Syria and, at the least, to reducing its influence in Lebanon.

Among other steps, the report called for Israeli sponsorship of attacks on Syrian territory by ''Israeli proxy forces'' based in Lebanon and ''striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper''.

''Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, even rolling back Syria,'' the report argued, to create a ''natural axis'' between Israel, Jordan, a Hashemite Iraq and Turkey that ''would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula''.

''For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East, which could threaten Syria's territorial integrity,'' it suggested.

A follow-up report by Wurmser titled 'Coping with Crumbling States', also favoured a substantial redrawing of the Middle East along tribal and familial lines in light of what he called an ''emerging phenomenon -- the crumbling of Arab secular-nationalist nations''.

The penchant of Washington and the West in general for backing secular-nationalist states against the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism was a strategic error, warned Wurmser in the second study, a conclusion he repeated in a 1999 book, 'Tyranny's Ally', which included a laudatory foreword by Perle and was published by AEI.

While the book focused on Iraq not Syria, it elaborated on Wurmser's previous arguments by attacking regional specialists in U.S. universities, the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) who, according to him, were too wedded to strong secular states in the Arab world as the preferred guarantors of regional stability.

''Our Middle East scholarly and policy elite are informed by bad ideas about the region that lead them to bad policies,'' he charged, echoing a position often taken by Perle.

In the book's acknowledgments, Wurmser praised those who most influenced his work, a veritable ''who's who'' of those neo-cons most closely tied to Israel's far right, including Perle himself, another AEI scholar, Michael Ledeen and Undersecretary of Defence for Policy and the man in charge of post-Iraq war planning, Douglas Feith.

He listed former CIA director James Woolsey, who has called the conflict in Syria the early stages of ''World War IV'', Harold Rhode, a Feith aide who has also called himself Wolfowitz's ''Islamic Affairs adviser'' and INC leader Ahmed Chalabi.

Wurmser also gave thanks to Irving Moskowitz, a major casino operator and long-time funder of Israel's settlement movement, whom he described as a ''gentle man whose generous support of AEI allows me to be here''. (END/2003)
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Perle was asked to leave... was this due to outside pressure on the WH? If Wurmser echoes Perle's sentiments, then what is the difference?
45 posted on 10/20/2003 6:56:08 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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Inside Iran, a nation conflicted


Why is Tehran sending contradictory messages
to the West?

TEHRAN, Iran is caught between opposing forces — both inside and outside its territory. Nothing has made that clearer than recent statements by its defense minister, Ali Shamkhani. First came a warning that Iran would “confront” any U.S. planes that violate Iranian air space in the course of pursuing its war on terror. But later he admitted what was already known in military intelligence circles: Iran has bankrolled militias fighting the Taliban inside Afghanistan for years. One statement threatened the United States; the other served U.S. interests. It sounds like a contradiction, but in fact, it’s consistent: Iran’s response to President Bush’s challenge, “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists,” is: “We are neither with you, nor with them.”
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48 posted on 10/21/2003 3:43:52 AM PDT by windchime
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Thanks for the heads up!
49 posted on 10/21/2003 12:18:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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