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Statement by Jim Robinson Regarding the State of our Free Republic
October 20, 2003 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/20/2003 4:53:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 10/20/2003 8:39:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: restornu
You're going back to VERY early days and the color was black. :-)
1,151 posted on 10/21/2003 10:47:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
I'd vote yes on an amendment to repeal the 17th

While we're at it let's repeal the 14th and 16th amendment.

1,152 posted on 10/21/2003 10:47:43 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
When the left fill the position of judges with those who create law from the bench instead of up holding the law.

Than we are no longer acting as a Republic!
1,153 posted on 10/21/2003 10:48:55 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Instead of arguing the principles of an issue, you argue about the cites & quotes you can dig up that buttress your position.
1,154 posted on 10/21/2003 10:51:51 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: restornu
Than we are no longer acting as a Republic!

That is exactly why I want the 14th amendment repealed. The 14th gave the judiciary more power than anything to date. EVERY liberal decision since the Warren Court has been decided on the 14th. The 10th amendment was gutted by the 14th.

1,155 posted on 10/21/2003 10:53:24 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: nopardons
I was not a member than just a lurker! and the next time it was white and blue but not like this it was strange it semed like every one was repeating what the other said.

I was new to reading that kind of format so it was puzzling to me. When I did join each thread was all in one line and the thread ran on endlessly unless someone made a new thread to continue now we break every 50.

It really has developted into nice orderly site!
1,156 posted on 10/21/2003 10:59:31 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Texasforever
Texasforever wrote:
--- let's repeal the 14th




Some day your 2nd amendent rights will be buttressed by the reasoning behind the 14th..

Oh, I forgot, -- you've admitted you really could care less about the 2nd.
1,157 posted on 10/21/2003 11:01:39 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'd vote yes on an amendment to repeal the 17th and eliminate the senatorial popular elections altogether and have the senators appointed by their state legislatures as the founders intended. Then all elections would basically be local.

I would vote for that amendment also. However, that would not by itself make all elections local. In my district, our state representative was elected by campaign contributions from outside our district and outside our state (mormon money from Utah). That is not "local". It is also done to a much greater extent in the elections of Congressional Representatives and Senators.

1,158 posted on 10/21/2003 11:02:14 PM PDT by Semper
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To: tpaine
Some day your 2nd amendent rights will be buttressed by the reasoning behind the 14th..

Like when?

1,159 posted on 10/21/2003 11:03:52 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: tpaine
Sorry I still confused I guess you folks understand your terms!
1,160 posted on 10/21/2003 11:04:07 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
I didn't mind it, back then. In a way, it was better, in other ways, it was worse. I lurked for almost a year, prior to joining. Look at my sign up date and you'll see that I've been here rather a long time. LOL
1,161 posted on 10/21/2003 11:04:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
Your from Texas and don't care for the 2nd amendment? Ok!
1,162 posted on 10/21/2003 11:07:52 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Texasforever
Silvea v Lockyear, if we get lucky.
1,163 posted on 10/21/2003 11:07:55 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: restornu
Your from Texas and don't care for the 2nd amendment? Ok!

None of us in Texas do. We just own a pot full of guns.

1,164 posted on 10/21/2003 11:09:39 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: nopardons
Look at my sign up date and you'll see that I've been here rather a long time. LOL

Those days were like the wild wild west!:)

1,165 posted on 10/21/2003 11:10:54 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Yes, they were and the ASH ALERTS were just one part of them. :-)
1,166 posted on 10/21/2003 11:13:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
The above is in response to the recent attacks on my character, my honesty and my devotion to principle. If anyone here really believes that I am dishonest, disloyal or unprincipled, then I wish you would resign from this website and leave us be.
Well isn't that something! It seems that my time away has left me out on a limb to some new, revolting developments. I don't care to know all of the details, but I'd sure like to wipe the cobwebs off of the old flame machine...
I will, however, continue to play well with the others.
G_d bless you and yours, as always
Phil
1,167 posted on 10/21/2003 11:16:56 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,if all Senators were appointed by state legislators,John Tower would never have been a Senator and up until this year,because of Democrats hold in the House,Texas wouldn't have been blessed with 2 Republican Senators.

The Texas house was democrat for 130 years.They are not taking their loss well..They run to Oklahoma and New Mexico to avoid unpleasant duties.
1,168 posted on 10/22/2003 12:44:14 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I got a good joke -

"Three musicians and a drummer walk into a bar..."

1,169 posted on 10/22/2003 2:35:40 AM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: OWK
"At the end of the day, I have to still look forward to supporting the education and welfare of our fellow citizens"

Go for it.
Have a great time.
But keep your fingers out of my wallet.
Thanks in advance.

Sorry, ol' bean but taxes are just another part of growing up.

You should try it someday. Might help make you look less silly.

1,170 posted on 10/22/2003 3:05:05 AM PDT by harrowup (So perfect I'm naturally humble)
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To: Sabertooth
No party has ever held 70 seats in the US Senate.

Technically speaking I guess you are correct, but of course the 75th included 76 Democrats.

It isn't the numbers, son. It's the percentage. Get that tooth fixed.

1,171 posted on 10/22/2003 3:17:04 AM PDT by harrowup (So perfect I'm naturally humble)
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To: restornu
I am glad you never been on the recieving end of an intoleranced mob!

Oh, I never said I hadn't been ganged up on by an intolerant mob before.

1,172 posted on 10/22/2003 3:23:16 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Texasforever
Chad you have me intrigued. You appear to be asserting that the country is no longer a representative republic On what basis do you make that assertion?

Well, if you get a few people together, and yell real loud and scream and break things and start them on fire etc... you can get your way - witness the Rodney King-related riots in L.A...

We are moving closer and closer to becoming a "democracy" as more and more self-interest groups become more concerned with their own interests, no matter if it's bad for the rest of the country - we han't necessarily lost the republic yet, but we're on our way...

1,173 posted on 10/22/2003 5:52:52 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: harrowup




Technically speaking I guess you are correct, but of course the 75th included 76 Democrats.

D-oh! I stand corrected. More here.


1,174 posted on 10/22/2003 6:11:09 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Jim Robinson
I love my country dearly and do not wish to see it destroyed by any enemy, foreign or domestic, and this includes terrorists, socialists, communists, anarchists, nazis, liberals, democrats or anyone else.

You forgot "progressives".

1,175 posted on 10/22/2003 6:18:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Afronaut
translation: You must vote repulican or the democrats will win.

Give it a rest.

Anyone who keeps trying to pigeonhole me with a label can pretty much count on being ignored.
If I thought tribal membership was an essential part of my political life I would move to Rwanda.

1,176 posted on 10/22/2003 6:21:53 AM PDT by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim,
Now I know I'm not alone..

As indicated, I've had it "UpToHere"
1,177 posted on 10/22/2003 6:47:03 AM PDT by UpToHere
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To: tpaine
History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order.

tpaine, there is no way to "mandate virtue" through prohibitionary laws. As I said, virtue cannot be compelled. Prohibitionary laws aren't really about mandating virtue any way, they are attempts at constraining behavior that usually prove to be counterproductive in practice. I don't think they foster contempt for the social order, though they may foster contempt for the law.

Plato's word for law was nomos, or customary law. Nomos is settled law that has been "time-tested" over the generations in a given society, to which the people give their ready assent because there is broad social consensus that the law secures the ends for which it is intended.

Nomos is thus rather the polar opposite of positive law, the itch to pass legislation to "correct" perceived problems on an ad hoc basis. (You got a problem? Well, we'll just pass a new law that will "fix it.")

A wise legislator understands that law making should be done sparingly, for it tends to disrupt the settled ways of the people, and "too many laws" or law that constantly changes tends to increase uncertainty and unpredictability in social life, and thereby may result in the people developing sentiments of contempt for the law and the lawmaker alike.

IMHO, legislation should be used very, very sparingly. It seems to me laws ought not to be regarded as instant fixes for each and every perceived social problem that comes down the pike. Rather, the law should provide for the basic security of individuals and, for the rest of it, just leave the people alone to handle their own affairs as they see fit. Virtue actually has a better chance of developing under nomos than it does under positive law, for more decisions are left to the people, and there is strong incentive to choose and act rightly when people aren't protected from the consequences of their own free choices. FWIW.

In a nutshell, I have a strong distaste for prohibitionary-type law. I don't think such law helps much, and paradoxically in most cases it tends to increase the very thing it seeks to constrain. Again, FWIW.

1,178 posted on 10/22/2003 7:12:58 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: Texasforever
I'm from Txas and I agree with the Second Amd. So do most people I know.
1,179 posted on 10/22/2003 7:18:47 AM PDT by JFC
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To: Senator Pardek
Q: What do you call a guitar player who just broke up with his girlfriend?

A: Homeless.
1,180 posted on 10/22/2003 7:20:28 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What's the difference between a violin and a viola?


There is no difference. The violin just looks smaller because the violinist's head is so much bigger.
1,181 posted on 10/22/2003 7:36:13 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: JFC; Texasforever
JFC - just a hint? I think Texasforever was being sarcastic... ;0)
1,182 posted on 10/22/2003 7:37:21 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
By the way - you know why many drummers keep a cloth handy?

Drums don't have Spit Valves...

;0)
1,183 posted on 10/22/2003 7:38:20 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
: ) (Thanks, and good morning!)
1,184 posted on 10/22/2003 7:40:02 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Good morning!

What do you say to a Drummer in a three-piece suit?

"Will the defendant please rise?"
1,185 posted on 10/22/2003 7:43:42 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
and I was saving this one for last, cuz I know it will bug you (You can punch me in the stomach, suppose heh heh heh)

Did you hear about the electric bass player who was so bad that even the lead singer noticed?

bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha
1,186 posted on 10/22/2003 7:47:58 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Ooooooooooh...now you've gone too far, Fairbanks! Punch in the stomach forthcoming...
1,187 posted on 10/22/2003 7:57:51 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,
may God Bless you and your ministries
1,188 posted on 10/22/2003 8:01:00 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I knew there was a line somewhere. It was just a matter of finding it, and jumping over it hee hee hee ;0)
1,189 posted on 10/22/2003 8:05:31 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I suddenly understand Liza Minelli.
1,190 posted on 10/22/2003 8:13:09 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: betty boop
betty boop:

JimRob is absolutely right: The Left does want to destroy the Constitution. It is a crystalization of a theory of man and of values that the Left despises. Unfortunately, I think that Plato was right: even the "best constitution" cannot suffice to maintain a decent, just social order for a people who hold virtue in contempt. 1024 -BB-

In effect, the belief that we ~must~ control mans "virtue" is one if the prime reasons that even the "best constitution" cannot suffice to maintain a decent, just social order.
History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order. 1,097 -tpaine-

tpaine, there is no way to "mandate virtue" through prohibitionary laws.

At 1024 you commented that you believe that people who hold virtue in contempt cannot maintain a decent, just social order..
-- I then observed at 1097 that this type of belief fosters attempts to mandate virtue through prohibitionary laws which lead to contempt for social order, as we can see from booze & drug prohibtions.

As I said, virtue cannot be compelled. Prohibitionary laws aren't really about mandating virtue any way, they are attempts at constraining behavior that usually prove to be counterproductive in practice. I don't think they foster contempt for the social order, though they may foster contempt for the law.

Good.. In effect, you repudiate your belief of 1024 that "Plato was right". Thanks.

1,191 posted on 10/22/2003 8:31:21 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Texasforever
That's what makes his position backing CA's 'right' to prohibit assault weapons so weird.
How can a gun owner justify supporting violations of the 2nd?
1,192 posted on 10/22/2003 8:39:06 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
Well, I don't know why it would matter what someone in Texas thought of, or felt about, California's laws... but maybe that's just me. ;0)
1,193 posted on 10/22/2003 8:48:59 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: Semper Paratus
I truly believe in the 2 party system but I share the belief that the Democrat Party has become inimical to our way of life and must be done away with!

I just think the 2 party system should be Republicans and Libertarians.

1,194 posted on 10/22/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: tpaine
Good.. In effect, you repudiate your belief of 1024 that "Plato was right". Thanks.

Not so fast, tpaine. Plato was right. If you doubt it, just look around: Do you like what you see all around you?

Arguably we live in a society that does not respect virtue. Heck, we live in a society in which a whole lot of people do not even seem to know what virtue is.

1,195 posted on 10/22/2003 9:55:23 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop; restornu; tpaine
Thank you so much for your post! I was going back checking on yesterday's postings and was astronished that I had missed it. Sorry about that!

A-G wants to see your [tpaine's] primary sources for this observation, and I think that would be most helpful and useful.

I was trying to determine whether the following statement by tpaine was based on actual research or whether it was his opinion or recollection:

History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order.

If there had been any such studies, I would have been interested in reviewing them.

1,196 posted on 10/22/2003 10:10:16 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Chad Fairbanks
JFC - just a hint? I think Texasforever was being sarcastic... [aboit guns] ;0)
1,182 Chad Fairbanks




That's what makes his position backing CA's 'right' to prohibit assault weapons so weird.
How can a gun owner justify supporting violations of the 2nd?
1,192 -tpaine-




Chad Fairbanks wrote: Well, I don't know why it would matter what someone in Texas thought of, or felt about, California's laws... but maybe that's just me. ;0)





You ever take an oath to protect & defend our constitution, chad?



1,197 posted on 10/22/2003 10:21:27 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: betty boop
Whatever..
1,198 posted on 10/22/2003 10:23:56 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
Sure I have. But that oath also includes allowing someone to state an opinion, whether I agree with it or not.
1,199 posted on 10/22/2003 10:25:30 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Francis Scott Key was a One-Hit Wonder)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
2000
1,200 posted on 10/22/2003 10:25:49 AM PDT by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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