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Do Not Call causing more telemarketing calls?
Me | 10/21/2003 | Me

Posted on 10/21/2003 4:57:00 PM PDT by TheBattman

Nearly one year ago, I signed up (and paid the fee) for the Arkansas "Do-Not-Call" list. As advertised, it took nearly 3 months for the calls to all but totally stop. Yippie!

I also signed up for the Federal list soon after that program began. The Arkansas law is more restrictive, but I figured that it couldn't hurt. In the time between the Arkansas list kicking in and the supposed Federal list's start date (October 1) I only received a couple of telemarketing calls. And those just about panicked when I told them I was on the list...

Then the Federal list kicked in - despite legal wanglings. In the short time since the fed's list went into effect, I have received over 25 telemarketing calls, including 3 from a company called "Seabridge Communications", two from a debt consolidation company (no previous contact with this company - so not an exception to the rule), and a couple of magazine solicitations, as well as the big state newspaper....


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: donotcall; telemarketer; telemarketing
Should I be suspicious? Why would these calls have conveniently started when the federal list kicked in? I am regretting signing up on the Federal list....

Anyone else experienced increased telemarketing calls since the list became effective?

1 posted on 10/21/2003 4:57:00 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman
Quite the contrary, I had been receiving at least a half dozen telemarketing calls a day before the federal list went into effect and have not received a single one since..
2 posted on 10/21/2003 4:59:16 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: TheBattman
No. Our TeleZapper catches them. Best $50 I ever spent.
3 posted on 10/21/2003 4:59:44 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: TheBattman
No increase, but no decrease either. I regularly get a few calls around noon every weekday and one or two in early evening (I hung up on one just before I checked in here on FR). And I'm on the Federal no-call list.
4 posted on 10/21/2003 5:01:48 PM PDT by DesertWalker
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To: TheBattman
Some people sign up for do not call because they know that they or a family memeber is just to stinking gullable. The others will hang up quickly (keeping you phone costs down).

Telescum know this. The worst of the industry targets the do not call lists just listening for suckers (your grannys voice?).

When you receive telemarketer calls DON'T HANG UP. Say please hang on there is someone at the door, lay down the phone. Walk away. Hang up in 15 minutes. If everybody did this they would be out of buisness tomorrow.

5 posted on 10/21/2003 5:03:45 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: TheBattman
Yes and no. It seems to have cut them out during the week, but I got three last Saturday.
6 posted on 10/21/2003 5:03:57 PM PDT by MagnoliaMS
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To: AntiGuv
Quite the contrary, I had been receiving at least a half dozen telemarketing calls a day before the federal list went into effect and have not received a single one since..

I too signed up and since the list kicked in, I haven't received one call HOWEVER, I HAVE received several faxes with an 800 number on the bottom to "remove you from our records".

7 posted on 10/21/2003 5:04:10 PM PDT by teletech (Have we dug up Saddam yet?)
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To: AntiGuv
Mine are down tooo!!!! Yipeee!
8 posted on 10/21/2003 5:05:15 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: TheBattman
I didn't sign up for the Fed List, instead I screw with these idiots when they call. I have been doing this for almost two years, and the calls have almost dried up.

I got a call about 4 weeks ago, and before that it was about 3-4 months without a call. They get very irate after getting yanked around and I get a great sense of satifaction and accomplishment.

I lead them on to talk for minutes, saying "uh huh" every ten seconds, then at the end I seriously ask them "Do you put the spaghetti in the pot before or after the water is boiling?" or "I have a dog that doesn't have fleas, and you KNOW how bad they have been this year?" or some other question.

It is working beautifully.
9 posted on 10/21/2003 5:05:39 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: TheBattman
DNC = Do Not Call
10 posted on 10/21/2003 5:06:21 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: AntiGuv
We haven't been getting any calls, either, and our phone used to just about ring off the hook.

How nice not to have to jump up and look at caller ID, not to have to listen to the answering machine pick up on every "unavailable on the caller ID" call we got. Just peace and quiet, and the unexpected sensation you get when you think you might actually wish to speak to whomever is calling you!

For all those who accused my of needing the govt to hang up on people for me... I hope all the telemarketers who aren't calling me are pestering you now.

11 posted on 10/21/2003 5:10:57 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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My calls have gone way down. I've had two calls since the DNC list went into effect. One call from the credit card company that I used to do business with up until September (just within the permissible window), and one call with a free cell phone offer (judging by the accent, from India).

I used to get two or more message on my answering machine every workday, and a call or two at night. The ones that really bothered me were the 10 AM Saturday morning calls.

12 posted on 10/21/2003 5:17:55 PM PDT by vollmond
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To: HighWheeler
You gotta use "A moose bit my sister" and "A moose rarely refuses cheese"
13 posted on 10/21/2003 5:29:43 PM PDT by leadhead
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To: .38sw
Yep...a telezapper. The proper, conservative way to handle calls you don't want. Not government intervention. When I see conservatives and Republicans on board for a federal intrusion based on a feel good issue, I know we are still destined to live with stupid Dems for a long time.

14 posted on 10/21/2003 5:32:40 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: Dinsdale
When you receive telemarketer calls DON'T HANG UP. Say please hang on there is someone at the door, lay down the phone. Walk away. Hang up in 15 minutes. If everybody did this they would be out of buisness tomorrow.

Your ignorance of how a telemarketing business makes calls is amazing. They'd hang up on you (usually automatically since the calls are computer generated and controlled) in a minute after you stopped talking. No person working in telemarketing would sit on the phone for 15 minutes with no one on the other end.

15 posted on 10/21/2003 5:35:34 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: TontoKowalski
How nice not to have to jump up and look at caller ID, not to have to listen to the answering machine pick up on every "unavailable on the caller ID" call we got. Just peace and quiet, and the unexpected sensation you get when you think you might actually wish to speak to whomever is calling you!

How nice to know you can be easily trained to jump up when a bell rings. The Dems would love you!

16 posted on 10/21/2003 5:37:06 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: Fledermaus
You missed the last part of my post, which is particularly applicable to you, as you don't seem to mind the calls at all:

...I hope all the telemarketers who aren't calling me are pestering you now.

I don't know why the thought that I don't have the constant annoyance of unwanted telephone calls pisses you off so much.

17 posted on 10/21/2003 5:48:38 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: leadhead
Thanks for the suggestions!

I'll work those into the next telemarketer's call. The last call was for a house security system, and we know how that system would have kept my sister from being bitten by that rabid moose.
18 posted on 10/21/2003 6:45:17 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: Dinsdale
Locating a so-called "gay gene" could have far-reaching social implications. Pre-determination of sexuality could give homosexual advocacy groups more ammunition in calls for special legislation and enactment of hate crimes laws.

No. If I were a telemarketer, I'd hang up or put you on hold and go to my next call because "someone at the door" likely means you aren't coming back, at least not for a long time. Tell them you have to go get your glasses and a pen or your hearing aid.

19 posted on 10/21/2003 6:49:36 PM PDT by hotpotato
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To: Fledermaus
No person working in telemarketing would sit on the phone for 15 minutes with no one on the other end.

Agreed. They may hang on for 30 seconds to a minute. Tops. And then you end up tying up your OWN phone for 15 minutes.

20 posted on 10/21/2003 6:51:32 PM PDT by hotpotato
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To: Dinsdale
Sorry about that. That quote (my post #19) was from another post on another thread I replied to and remained in my cut-n-paste. This was what I was responding to:

When you receive telemarketer calls DON'T HANG UP. Say please hang on there is someone at the door, lay down the phone. Walk away. Hang up in 15 minutes. If everybody did this they would be out of buisness tomorrow.

21 posted on 10/21/2003 6:56:09 PM PDT by hotpotato
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To: hotpotato
LOL!
You confused the H___ out of me.

That said - I use an "anti-telemarketing script" from Junkbusters. In the last 2 years I've gotten paid over $2500 from suing telemarketers in small claims courts suits that were uncontested. That was from about 75% of the suits, settlements from the others are still pending. The money goes to the Marine's Toys for Tots. It only took a minor expenditure of my time and gave a lot of smug self-satisfaction.

Junkbusters has TONS of info so if you're interested go to:
http://www.junkbusters.com/telemarketing.html
http://www.junkbusters.com/self.html#telemarketing
http://www.junkbusters.com/self.html#name

http://www.toysfortots.org/ [A great charity -incredibly low overhead so almost all of your donation goes to the kids]
22 posted on 10/21/2003 7:08:53 PM PDT by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: TontoKowalski
I have no problem with you not getting annoying calls. I don't understand the over reach of federal government involvement.

They don't bother me. I don't answer them. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I get a nice charity I can support. Sometimes it's just MCI and I politely say, "no thanks" and hang up.

I don't understand why a simple phone call "pisses you off so much". Are you a slave to the ring of the phone? Are you so angry you wish some businesses fail because they might not be able to afford other forms of advertising? Do you stop your junk mail from the Post Office? I dought it. Did the federal government declare all you have to do to stop junk mail is to contact the Post Office? No, they require that you, the individual, tell the sender you don't want their advertisments. Who does that? I bet almost no one.

So why, after decades of the Post Office, is there not a "Do Not Mail" list controlled by the federal government which also runs the Post Office? Wouldn't it be super easy for them to just remove you from the mailing lists of the senders like they are doing with phone numbers (supposedly)?

And the biggest reason the reporting now is "Hey, I signed up for the Do Not Call list and I'm still getting calls...why?" is that most reporters and all the people who love this "list" don't know the exceptions. Got a checking account? Banks and financial institutions you use are exempt. Use electricity? Public utility companins and subsidiaries (gas heaters, siding, storm windows, etc) are exempt.

Nothing but "feel good" legislation focused on a false perception by a minority of people.
23 posted on 10/21/2003 11:16:25 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: TheBattman
I did not sign-up for the list, and my telemarketer calls have remained the same, about four or five per day. However, I have a friend who DID sign up and now instead of one or two a day, HE is getting more.

So glad I didn't sign up.
24 posted on 10/22/2003 8:17:43 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: Fledermaus
Are you so angry you wish some businesses fail because they might not be able to afford other forms of advertising?

I have never, not once, not a single time, bought anything from a telemarketer, nor do I have any intention of ever doing so. It's not the way I do business. I would think they would be better off not wasting time and effort on me and people just like me.

And, BTW, yes, I am angry. I am pissed. The telemarketers brought this on themselves. They have done everything possible to short-circuit and end-run every feasible free-market solution. Caller ID? They don't show the origin of their call. The Zapper? They found a way around that. I am now irrational about this topic, and if they all go out of business tomorrow it'll be too late for me.

As for the people themselves, well, I'm sorry about that, but people all over the country doing things a lot more noble than telemarketing lose their jobs everyday. They go out and find new ones.

Do you stop your junk mail from the Post Office? I dought it. Did the federal government declare all you have to do to stop junk mail is to contact the Post Office? No, they require that you, the individual, tell the sender you don't want their advertisments. Who does that? I bet almost no one.

Actually, I have contacted the direct marketers assn to get off their junk mail list. Just did this recently, so I haven't seen any change. In the interim, at least the Post Office has large blue bins where I can throw that away before I ever leave the building. If direct mail marketers started delivering door-to-door interrupting my dinner, waking me up, and so forth, they'd incur the same wrath.

Nothing but "feel good" legislation focused on a false perception by a minority of people.

Actually, sad to say, but this has done more to "promote the general welfare" around my house than anything the government has done in a long, long time.

Plus, if individuals like yourself have philosophical differences with the legislation, you don't have to participate. Live it up.

25 posted on 10/22/2003 9:21:30 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Fledermaus
Are you so angry you wish some businesses fail because they might not be able to afford other forms of advertising?

If a business insists on advertising by stealing my private property, than damn straight I want it to fail.

26 posted on 11/03/2003 11:24:13 AM PST by steve-b
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To: TontoKowalski
The telemarketers brought this on themselves. They have done everything possible to short-circuit and end-run every feasible free-market solution. Caller ID? They don't show the origin of their call. The Zapper? They found a way around that.

*** DING DING DING *** No more calls; we have a winner.

The telepest industry had multiple chances to respect the wishes of people who simply did not want to hear from them. They aggressively pushed their way past toothless versions of the "NO SOLICITORS" sign. Now, they have to deal with a "NO SOLICITORS" sign that will be enforced.

27 posted on 11/03/2003 11:28:08 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
What private property is that? The ownership of the transmission line to give you phone service?
28 posted on 11/03/2003 11:52:28 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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