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Rumsfeld's war-on-terror memo
http://www.dod.mil/news/dodnews.html ^ | 10-16-03 | Rumsfeld

Posted on 10/22/2003 4:17:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:41:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The questions I posed to combatant commanders this week were: Are we winning or losing the Global War on Terror? Is DoD changing fast enough to deal with the new 21st century security environment? Can a big institution change fast enough? Is the USG changing fast enough?


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; patriotlist; rummy; rumsfeld; rumsfeldmemo; rumsfeldpinglist; turass; warlist
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1 posted on 10/22/2003 4:17:50 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Ping.......
2 posted on 10/22/2003 4:18:29 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

This guy gets it!

That's what I love about Rumsfeld. He never assumes that by doing the same old same old we are winning. This guy will be responsible for our victory when it comes to pass simply because he refuses to sit on his laurels.

The contrast with a Robert MacNamara could not be more striking.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

3 posted on 10/22/2003 4:22:53 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Drop the sushi, clic on my pic, and visit my blog. Or else!")
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To: OXENinFLA
Is this memo authentic? If so, we can all sleep easier for having a guy at the helm who is asking the right questions.
4 posted on 10/22/2003 4:27:53 AM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: section9
bump
5 posted on 10/22/2003 4:29:23 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: OXENinFLA
curious why your link shows DOD.MIL but redirects to USA today
6 posted on 10/22/2003 4:30:57 AM PDT by boxerblues (If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
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To: section9
Agreed. Why some call for him to resign is sheer lunacy, or just outright liberalism. The DoD has needed major reform for years, and many are resistant to change within the system.

However, why the DoD has been doing the State Deprtment's jobs for them is beyond me.
7 posted on 10/22/2003 4:31:33 AM PDT by 11B3 (Use the Gitmo prisoners for bayonnet course target dummies.)
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To: nathanbedford
I found about about it watching C-span this morning.

USA Today & (I think) the WashPost are running it.
8 posted on 10/22/2003 4:32:57 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: section9
Caught my eye, three bits about madrassas:

Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?

How do we stop those who are financing the radical madrassa schools?

Should we create a private foundation to entice radical madradssas to a more moderate course? -Donald Rumsfeld

9 posted on 10/22/2003 4:35:39 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: nathanbedford
Yes it is......

Rummy is right we need to think outside the box to defeat our enemies..

13 posted on 10/22/2003 4:45:19 AM PDT by Dog (The poster named Dog is not responsible for tagline content......)
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To: boxerblues
The memo is in USA Today, But I figured Rummy wrote it so I linked DOD.
14 posted on 10/22/2003 4:45:30 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
tsk tsk very misleading
15 posted on 10/22/2003 4:47:33 AM PDT by boxerblues (If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for posting this. I've been looking all over for it ever since c-span brought it up first thing this a.m.! I thought susan said it was in wapo... no luck.
16 posted on 10/22/2003 4:48:39 AM PDT by meema
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To: OXENinFLA
Rummy wants to hit the bad guys harder. Smart guy leaking this memo to the press.
17 posted on 10/22/2003 4:51:11 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (“Praises be to God, it's finally safe to come out again.” ~ Haider Saffa, Iraqi tool salesman, 10/6)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
yes, but all I heard on spin radio this morning was how Rummy says that we are not doing as well as reported in both Afganistan and Iraq. Leave it to the left-leaning press.
18 posted on 10/22/2003 4:59:22 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: hchutch
Looks like we need to do our Rumsfeld/Ashcroft dueling memoranda silliness again (c8
19 posted on 10/22/2003 5:00:37 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: seamole
If he's your trusted guy, then
have the sense not to put words
in his mouth. If a reporter asked
Rummy "are you calling the WOT to
date a phoney war", he would slap
them silly(verbally, of course).
20 posted on 10/22/2003 5:02:18 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: boxerblues
Sorry, that was not my intention.
22 posted on 10/22/2003 5:11:31 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: seamole
No quotes were needed - you used
his memo to buttress YOUR words
that the current war is phoney &
should be stopped. As if Rummy's
memo portrayed what you claim on
the current war. I wasn't born
yesterday. What you did was real
obvious.

That's your right, of course.

But if you trust him, why not let
him be charged to use accurate
words to portray the WOT.

He doesn't think it's phoney.

He wants to make it better.
23 posted on 10/22/2003 5:29:59 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: OXENinFLA
Can you imagine if anyone in the Clinton administration had had the gumption to question the administration’s assumptions as fearlessly as this memorandum does? Clearly, America would be in a safer, securer place today.

As Churchill said after El Alemain, “ This is not the end, nor even the beginning of the end but it is at least the end of the beginning.” And so it is time after astonishing victories in Afghanistan and Irak and immunity at home since 9/11 to consider where we are today, now that America has so dramatically changed the rules of the game.

Under Clinton, terrorist acts (except those of domestic terrorists or religious sects) were ignored if possible in a public relations sense. Under Bush, terrorist’s acts are relentlessly pursued and killed or captured.

Under Clinton, terrorist acts were treated, if possible, only as an occasion for indignation and threats. Bush wages war.

Under Clinton, when not possible to contain public reaction with rhetoric, terrorists were pursued half-heartedly, and then only as criminals. Bush wages war and kills terrorists or treats those captured as war criminals.

Under Clinton, nation states which nurtured terrorists were signalled by Clinton’s fecklessn ess after every assault that there was no forfeit to be paid for for such behavior. Under Bush, the world knows the price to be paid for open support of terrorists: Regime change.

Under Clinton, nations such as Sudan, which offered cooperation against terrorists, were spurned. Bush has mobilized the whole world in the war against terrorism.

Under Clinton, terrorists were able to establish an elaborate network of cells and sophisticated money raising and laundering activities. Bush has virtually bankrupted Al Quaida.

Under Clinton, recruiting was permitted to proceed unobserved and unopposed. Bush’s Secretary of defence is asking what no Clinton appointee ever considered, how can we neutralize Madrasses?

Under Clinton, in sum, acts of war were ignored, diminished, defined away as crimes or treated only rhetorically. Bush is waging almost total war.

It is well that Rumsfeld asks for a rigorous assessment at the end of the beginning. He is aware he is fighting an asymmetrical war and wants to be sure we can afford to pay billions to defeat an enemy who spends only millions. He wants to be sure his kill ratio is favourable enough to attrite the enemy at a cost the public will accept. The lessons of Vietnam, clearly, have not been lost on him. Is our intelligence up to the task?

It our job to force the evaluation to be made in the context of the failures of the Clinton era, and not against an impossible standard of perfection drawn by the left which no one could meet.
24 posted on 10/22/2003 5:32:16 AM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: nathanbedford
I continue to be of the opinion that Bill Clinton was the greatest disaster ever to befall our republic.
26 posted on 10/22/2003 5:38:37 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple
Seems time... don't forget to ping Miss Marple.
28 posted on 10/22/2003 6:12:13 AM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: OXENinFLA
TO: Donald Rumsfeld
FROM: Most American Citizens
SUBJECT: Global War on Terrorism

Try truly protecting our nation's borders; they are wide-open for any terrorist to waltz across.

Thanks
29 posted on 10/22/2003 6:27:11 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: ought-six
Perhaps, but on the other hand maybe by dragging us down so far he did us a favor. When you hit bottom, you can either lay there in the muck or get up and start climbing in the right direction. I firmly believe our current leadership is heading in the right direction.
30 posted on 10/22/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple; BOBTHENAILER; section9
Memo

To: Secretary Rumsfeld

From: hchutch

Subject: Ideas

1. Perhaps it's time to stop being so darn nice. After Pearl Harbor, we went pretty darn medieval on a bunch of these folks. Remember what LeMay and Sir Arthur Harris did to the Axis? Might be worth a leak saying we are thinking about things along that line...

2. Perhaps we need to pick up a few allies. I'm telling you, State did us NO favors by blacklisting the AUC. It would be nice to have a solid force of 11,000 fighters who could get things that need doing done - and provide plausible deniability. So they play a little rough with FARC, big deal. FARC's a terrorist group.

3. As inspired from the previous point, we ought to see if we can't duplicate groups like "Los Pepes" (The People Persecuted by Pable Escobar). Might be very useful in certain circumstances - like the radical madrassas.

4. We'll have to do something about what Bill Gertz reported in today's Washington Times about the Saudis and the Pakistanis. If the Saudis get nukes, things could get interesting.

5. Maybe we need to do something about Pakistan's nukes...

r/s

hchutch
31 posted on 10/22/2003 6:44:25 AM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: OXENinFLA
Do you just love Rummy or what?

Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror. Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?

No, we are not. Madarasses are the seedbed, the Koran is the fertilizer. Destroy one and the other is benign. The Koran is an idea wrapped in text - impossible to completely destroy. Madrasses are institions that can be eliminated or, at least, made impotent. They should be considered legitimate military targets and dealt with accordingly.

Do we need a new organization?

No, we need new people who understand the essence and scope of the problem. I recommend LTG Boykin as the Deputy Sec Def and follow on heir to Rummy. He gets it.

How do we stop those who are financing the radical madrassa schools?

Kill them. No questions, no mercy.

Does CIA need a new finding?

No it needs a new leader and a serious housecleaning of upper and mid-level bureacrats. That goes double for the State Department.

Should we create a private foundation to entice radical madradssas to a more moderate course?

We already have a couple of taxpayer funded ones called the CIA and SOCOM. Oh, yeah, the the only moderate muslims I've seen so far are at room temperature or mixed in with clouds of dust and burnt propellant.

What else should we be considering?

A dramatic increase in force strucure and the infrastructure to support it. This is a global war. Let's start acting like it.

Please be prepared to discuss this at our meeting on Saturday or Monday.

Man, I would give my left nut to have been in that meeting.

32 posted on 10/22/2003 6:46:23 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: OXENinFLA; All
I wish to ask my fellow FReepers for advise on this - I am an expatriate American who has lived and worked in a Muslim country for many many years, I speak their language, I understand their culture and I feel I am in a unique position to offer some real solutions and suggestions that might be truly able to address a few of the questions that Rumsfield posed.

How do I get an audience, and would they even be interested to hear what I have to say?

33 posted on 10/22/2003 6:59:06 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: expatguy
How do I get an audience

Start Typing.

34 posted on 10/22/2003 7:01:24 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Dog
Rummy is right we need to think outside the box to defeat our enemies..

Right. Critics of this memo are falling into the same trap I see in my company and business in general. I'm a process engineering manager and one of the hardest cultural changes to make amongst managers is making them understand that asking "Can we do this better?" is NOT the same as saying "We're doing this wrong now."

It is only the most competent and capable managers who continually challenge their people to reevaluate their approaches candidly and honestly. Good for Rummy.

35 posted on 10/22/2003 7:07:43 AM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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This is good training for the future, when we enter Latin America to clean it of terrorists.
36 posted on 10/22/2003 7:15:23 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: OXENinFLA
Forgive me, Is Rummy a FReeper?
38 posted on 10/22/2003 7:24:03 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: FreeAtlanta
My local media outlets were doing the same.

Basically making it sound that Rummy was doubting the whole effort, admitting defeat, and suggesting that we give it up.

Media spin is so inherently blatant...it makes me sick.
39 posted on 10/22/2003 7:31:21 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Forth now, and fear no darkness!")
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To: nathanbedford
You must have gotten one of those "compare and contrast" questions on your last exam back in school. Nice work! I'll have to circulate it.
41 posted on 10/22/2003 8:02:17 AM PDT by OESY
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To: nathanbedford
The only questions the Clinton administration would be asking would be "what can we do that will reap us the greatest election day victories?" and "which side is more likely to give us money?"
42 posted on 10/22/2003 8:10:01 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: seamole
Im busy with work a lot and don't have the time to dedicate to a blog, nor am I really interested.

I will however toss out a few ideas here.

America needs to make use of American expatriates who have been overseas for many years and have already blended in with local cultures.

The other night another American and myself were joking about how ridiculous it is to see some bumbling CIA or FBI guy over here trying to do whatever job he does and who has absolutely no clue as to what is going on - Yet he thinks he does. He does not speak the language and if he does speak a few words it sounds funny - they almost never understand local sayings or idioms and basically they stick out like a sore thumb.

It is kinda funny when you can get a call and have someone say - "Hey one of your countrymen is coming out to see me tomorrow at 9am." and then here all the details of the meeting later.

And so you get a few guys travelling from Washington asking about nukes that moved into the area from Vladivostok. They dont seem to understand that the locals wont trust them at all because despite what anyone says they dont believe that there are no nukes in Sembawang.

Our own CIA cannot infiltrate the extremist groups - it takes a hippy from Marin county who learns the local language and customs and then is able to walk right up to Osama Bin Laden. Is no one else ashamed of this?

The American government spends a lot of times recruiting the locals to feed them information but so many times these locals actually report to another master and it seems the Americans are too stupid to actually realize this.

Another problem is that there are no salesmen for America. The only thing the locals hear about America is what is bad about America.

The only Americans who fly into town never have anything good to say about their own country. Madeline Albright, socialists and the occasional Hollywood freak.

Oh but it gets ever worse, imagine how bad it is when some of the American embassy staff like to rant to the locals about how much they hate George Bush and how America now is such a horrible country.

How stupid is it to have US State Department employees stationed in a Muslim country who they themselves buy into every evil conspirasy story about America. Of course the locals lap it all up and believe it as well, after all, if a US State department employee says it, then it must be true.

This is just a small sampling, a very small sampling of problems that I see on a daily basis.

Tomorrow I will talk about the madrassahs.

43 posted on 10/22/2003 8:24:33 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Are you kidding? NO way Rumsfeld leaked this memo in my opinion. You don't think Bush is going to be pissed big time with this?
44 posted on 10/22/2003 8:42:01 AM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: hchutch; Miss Marple
Memo

From: SECDEF
To: Attorney General

Subj: War on Terror

1. Something to be said for the LeMay/Harris idea. Any way we can get past the multiple violations of international law?

2. Any way we can find higher-priority law enforcement targets than AUC?

3. Maybe we can sic all those unemployed tobacco lawyers on the madrassas.

4. If Saudi Arabia gets nukes, wouldn't be a shame if they didn't follow OSHA guidelines for safety & surety? Accidents have been known to happen...

5. Didn't the Pakistani nuclear weapons facility (ahem, "compound") forget to pay the transfer tax on those machineguns? Gosh, maybe Treasury needs to be notified, it's been YEARS since we've had a high-profile BATF raid.

6. Up for another round at the Fort Myers golf course? I've got this new driver sitting in a corner of my office that keeps saying, "Hey, Don, you gotta get those silly pants on and see how much distance you can get!"

r/s,

"The Donald"
45 posted on 10/22/2003 8:54:38 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: hchutch
Perhaps it's time to stop being so darn nice.

No more mister nice guy

No more...mister cle..ee..eean!!!!

46 posted on 10/22/2003 9:00:55 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple; PJ-Comix
Memo

To: Secretary Rumsfeld
From: Attorney General Ashcroft

Subject: Ideas

1. If there is non-compliance with the Geneva Convention, we may have an out. I may check with that.

2. Yeah, I think we can move the AUC down on the list.

3. Sending trial lawyers against the madrassas? That is going too far. That goes BEYOND "grave breach" status. We can't do that unless they do it first.

4. Not to mention the pollution that results from violating EPA standards. And the NRC gets involved, too. You know, there are so many alphabet soup agencies who would want a piece of such an accident, I can understand why folks outsource.

5. You know the tip line. Best to have a flunky do it, though.

6. I kinda like Army-Navy Country Club better this time of year. Got a staffer who just got a Callaway ERC II. Maybe I can take it out for a test round...

7. Oh, the legal attache in Moscow called. Seems we got another tourist looking over Russian warbirds. Looks like your folks at Groom Lake (They are your folks, aren't they?) may get something new to play with...

r/s

John Ashcroft
47 posted on 10/22/2003 9:08:09 AM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: hchutch
Memo

To: Attorney General Ashcroft
From: Secretary Rumsfeld
Subject: Ideas

What folks out at Groom Lake? We don't have any folks out at Groom Lake. Nope. Uh-huh.

r/s,

"The Donald"
48 posted on 10/22/2003 9:10:48 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Memo

To: Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld
From: Attorney General John Ashcroft

Subject: Ideas

1. Whoops. Did I say Groom Lake? I meant to say, Nellis.
49 posted on 10/22/2003 9:39:13 AM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: OXENinFLA
Maybe they leak this stuff to get responses from the Free Republic! Then take our ideas and suggestions and use them as their own. :) Oh wait, my tinfoil is getting a little too tight. Ow! Back to watching my live Groom Lake Feeds. :-P
50 posted on 10/22/2003 11:47:39 AM PDT by PureSolace
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