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KEEP GOD OUT OF WHITHOUSE (College rag says Christians in WH more dangerous than terrorists)
The Orion (California State Univ) ^ | 10/22/03 | Ryan Sabadow

Posted on 10/22/2003 4:49:00 AM PDT by Mark Felton

The most dangerous force our country faces right now doesn't come from the threat of international terrorism. It comes from evangelical Christian fanatics connected to the White House, like Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin.

Last week, NBC ran a story showing Boykin in front of audiences at several evangelical churches across the country. Projected behind him was President George W. Bush. "Why is this man in the White House?" Boykin asked his audiences. "I tell you this morning, he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

This was after the recently appointed deputy undersecretary for intelligence also told the audiences the United States has been battling Satan during our war with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. He also said the reason terrorists have been attacking us is "because we're a Christian nation."

The three-star general in full dress uniform told the cheering crowds that when he was fighting against a Muslim militia leader in Somalia in 1993, he knew the Christian god was on his side. He had nothing to fear from Muslims because their god was an idol.

If images of radical hell-fire-and-brimstone religious fanatics who scream at us in the Free-Speech Area come to mind, you're not far off. The worst part is that this man isn't a sandwich-board-toting crazy. He has actual power, and he is a leading military figure in our ongoing wars against Muslim countries. He's not alone. Bush and his staff of evangelical Christians are slowly forcing their views on the rest of America and the world. America is shifting from democracy to theocracy.

Almost immediately after Sept. 11, President Bush said we were now in a "crusade." Even though he later retracted this remark and has waged a public relations campaign saying he respects Islam, you can't help but feel that Bush thinks he's on a mission from God.

According to Newsweek, prior to deploying troops to Iraq, Bush, the self-proclaimed "Born Again" evangelical Christian, told religious broadcasters "terrorists hate the fact that ... we can worship Almighty God the way we see fit," and that the United States needs to bring God's gift of liberty to "every human being in the world." Sounds like he forgot to say "whether they want it or not."

Bush's use of religion as a justification of policy isn't limited to war. Last week he declared Marriage Protection Week. This anti-homosexual statement coincides with the anniversary of the death of 21-year-old Matthew Shepard's death. You may remember him. He was the student from Laramie, Wyo. who was beaten to death for being gay (See Hallie Gorman's column "Protection hurts gays" in last week's Orion for more information).

This tasteless statement is just one more way Bush places his religious views on others, and it comes only months after a summer of Bush using biblical references to promote heterosexual marriage over homosexuals. Bush isn't just making statements - he also plans on using our tax dollars to fund his religious views.

According to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Bush administration plans on creating a "faith based" initiative that could funnel large sums of public funds to religious social services. Under the initiative, $30.5 million will go to grants given to social and religious groups. And it will give close to $20 billion to religious groups that claim to operate substance and mental health service programs. Religious groups could also compete for $8 billion in housing grants. If this initiative makes it through the legislature, it will be a direct slap in the face of the First Amendment, which says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Since Sept. 11, Bush has been sounding more like a preacher giving a sermon than a president. The reverend C. Welton Gaddy, a Louisiana pastor and executive director of the Interfaith Alliance Foundation, told CNN that "This president is using general references ... and vocabulary that come straight out of a very particular religious tradition, which is evangelical Christianity." He went on to say that this doesn't reflect the broad range of religious views this country has.

Gaddy's right. When one religion is forced above others, it turns us away from being a free country. When guys like Bush, Boykin and Attorney General John Ashcroft use religion to determine policy decisions, the constitutional-based wall that has separated church and state since this country's inception starts to crumble. When the dust from that wall clears, we'll no longer be free.

Ryan Sabalow can be reached at opinioneditor@orion-online.net


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: antichristianbigotry; proofreadthenpost; whithouse
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1 posted on 10/22/2003 4:49:02 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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Matthew Shepard ... who was beaten to death for being gay

I don't believe this is quite accurate. Didn't Shepard try to hit on a couple of yahoos, who took offense? In other words, he was beaten for what he did, not what he was. Not that his killers have an excuse, of course, but Bush's endorsement of marriage between a man and a woman has nothing to do with this incident.

3 posted on 10/22/2003 4:59:53 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Mark Felton

response to CSU

4 posted on 10/22/2003 4:59:57 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Francois: Do you know what kind of a bomb it was? Clouseau: The exploding kind.)
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To: Mark Felton
Ryan Sabadow is obviously a brainwashed product of an NEA education. His news sources are NBC and CNN and he swallows the "party" line, hook, line and sinker. Now he's helping spread their propaganda.
5 posted on 10/22/2003 5:01:21 AM PDT by auboy (Liberals believe in free speech… theirs not yours.)
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To: Mark Felton
I think the author is right.

The Bible should only be used by political leaders when they are sued for sexual harassment.

For instance, they can go to church, while their victims are testifying in a federal court house, and waive it to the crowd that is bowing down to him in the street.

Any other use of the Bible by political leaders would be an insult to America and to Christianity.
6 posted on 10/22/2003 5:01:36 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Mark Felton
America is shifting from democracy to theocracy.

[Snicker} This young man doesn't have a clue.

7 posted on 10/22/2003 5:01:37 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Mark Felton
The Orion? Are we SURE that isn't the Onion?
8 posted on 10/22/2003 5:04:04 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Mark Felton
Sorry, his opinion on "faith based initiatives" is right on target.

Funding religious institutions with government money is the first step to putting them under government control. Look what's happened to our charities ! Many are simply extensions of fedgov policy. Our taxes fund many NGOs that act directly against our interests.

"Faith based initiatives" is lunacy - and unconstitutional. Bush needs to be stripping money away from NGOs and defunding federal giveaways, not adding more.
9 posted on 10/22/2003 5:04:20 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Mark Felton
I'm glad I live far enough away from any university that I'm not kept up at night by the sound of tiny, liberal minds exploding.
10 posted on 10/22/2003 5:04:28 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (There's two kinds of people in the world. Those with loaded guns and those that dig.)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"The Bible should only be used by political leaders when they are sued for sexual harassment".


...Well, maybe we can stretch that to include using the Bible as a prop while campaigning from the pulpit of black Churches too.
11 posted on 10/22/2003 5:05:08 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Mark Felton
I never cared much for the Whithouse...
12 posted on 10/22/2003 5:05:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Mark Felton
This leftist moron can be reached at opinioneditor@orion-online.net.
13 posted on 10/22/2003 5:05:52 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: jimt
Gee, I read your reply and it sounded like me! So are so right.

hawk

14 posted on 10/22/2003 5:07:04 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Mark Felton
You know, this article is right.

For Satan, and his evil followers, true Christians in the White House ARE more dangerous than terrorists.

Don't argue against this thinking... just point it out for what it is.
15 posted on 10/22/2003 5:08:48 AM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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To: Mark Felton
the constitutional-based wall that has separated church and state since this country's inception ...

Maybe the kid should actually read the Constitution sometime before graduation. Might also want to bone up on early American history (try primary sources, rather than some textbook written by a Liberal academic).

16 posted on 10/22/2003 5:15:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Mark Felton
Matthew Shepard...who was beaten to death for being gay

Hmm...I wonder why then was this kid killed???

http://www.covenantnews.com/dirkhising.htm
17 posted on 10/22/2003 5:16:24 AM PDT by grumple (I'm too old to worry about whether or not I'm a pain in your ass...)
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To: Wallace T.
I have sent an e-mail to the Orion and asked why no one gets upset when the Democrats go to black churches and say terrible things about Republicans and one white guy goes to church and speaks and all hell breaks loose. Of course George W. is in the White House because God put him there.!!!
18 posted on 10/22/2003 5:18:34 AM PDT by Stormyta
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To: Mark Felton
There are many, many anti-Christian articles out today. The War is on.

Sorted by relevance   Sort by date

Gwynne Dyer: Anti-Semites abound in Islamic world
New Zealand Herald, New Zealand - 16 minutes ago
"We want all Christians and Jews to go out from our Islamic countries and release
our brothers from jail and stop killing Muslims or we will kill you.". ...

Crusader rhetoric disastrous for diplomacy side of war against ...
Salt Lake Tribune, UT - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON -- Osama bin Laden has said he is engaged in a holy war
with the United States. For the general who is now charged with ...

Silencing Boykin shows that the wrong dog is being muzzled
Salt Lake Tribune, UT - 1 hour ago
Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, a much decorated soldier, was wounded
by the political correctness movement last week over comments ...

Playing into the radicals' hands
Seattle Post Intelligencer, WA - 9 hours ago
By BONNIE ERBE. A two-year crusade of sorts by the Bush administration
to mollify moderate Muslims and to try to defuse irrational ...

'Islamaphobic' general to be investigated
Al-Jazeera, Qatar - 13 hours ago
The US Defence Secretary has agreed to a top general's request for an official
review of his remarks casting the war on terrorism as a religious struggle. ...

What did Mahathir really mean to say? (II)
Straits Times, Singapore - 13 hours ago
WHAT is it about the increasingly tense world situation that makes me hope someone
like Ms Shirin Ebadi comes to grace the cover of Time magazine as Person Of ...

Misguided voices
San Diego Union Tribune, CA - 22 hours ago
In these days when claims of divinely inspired warfare are disturbingly
common, muddled and bigoted public comments are hardly surprising. ...

Warring with God
Boston Globe, MA - Oct 21, 2003
By James Carroll, 10/21/2003. I KNEW that my God was bigger than his,"
Lieutenant General William G. Boykin said of his Muslim opponent. ...

The Pentagon unleashes a holy warrior
Atlanta Journal Constitution, GA - Oct 20, 2003
"Appointing Jerry Boykin, with his visions of holy war in the Islamic world, to a
top position in the United States military is no way to marginalize extremism ...

EDITORIAL: Boykin Vs Bin Ladin
Daily Times, Pakistan - Oct 20, 2003
When President George Bush embarked on his ‘war on terrorism’, he employed
the same binary logic as Osama bin Laden: those not with Mr Bush were ...

Pentagon deleted part of official's apology
CNN - Oct 20, 2003
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An apology from Lt. Gen. William Boykin for casting
the war on terrorism in terms that offended some Muslims ...

Whose god is 'real' and 'bigger'?
Asia Times Online, Hong Kong - Oct 20, 2003
By Ehsan Ahrari. The man in charge of hunting down Osama bin Laden
has bin Laden's exact frame of reference regarding the "enemies ...

Keep God out of White House
The Orion - 5 hours ago
The most dangerous force our country faces right now doesn't come from
the threat of international terrorism. It comes from evangelical ...

Rumsfeld backs inside probe of general's speech
Washington Times, DC - 7 hours ago
By Bill Gertz. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said yesterday that
he welcomes an internal investigation of a three-star general ...

Of Christian extremists and US Sheriffs - By Shireen M Mazari .
Hi Pakistan, Pakistan - 7 hours ago
Over the last week, there have been a number of interesting developments, seemingly
unconnected but in fact having an underlying linkage for the Muslim world ...

Both in US and Muslim world, we must control those who cultivate ...
Asheville Citizen Times, NC - 7 hours ago
Two years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States,
relations between the US and the Muslim world have deteriorated ...

With God on our side
Willimantic Chronicle, CT - 7 hours ago
Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin is a highly decorated covert military
operations veteran and Army officer. Today he serves as deputy ...

High-placed general's comments renew controversy over Islam
Associated Baptist Press, FL - 14 hours ago
By Robert Marus. WASHINGTON (ABP) -- Comments by a high-ranking Pentagon
official casting America's struggle against terrorism as ...

The Fundamentalist General
CounterPunch, CA - 19 hours ago
By ROBERT JENSEN. "I am not anti-Islam or any other religion." "I
support the free exercise of all religions." "For those who have ...

THE GENERAL IN HIS PULPIT
New York Post, NY - Oct 21, 2003
October 21, 2003 -- THE war over religion is heating up. The Supreme
Court is taking up the question of whether the words "under ...

Bare Boykin and Bush's Divine Place
Progressive.org - Oct 20, 2003
Last week, a senior Pentagon general got in hot water for injecting
his religious beliefs into the public discussion. Lt. General ...

Gen. Boykin's crusade against Islam
Modesto Bee, CA - Oct 20, 2003
In June 2002, Jerry Boykin stepped to the pulpit at the First Baptist Church
of Broken Arrow, Okla., and described photographs he had taken of Mogadishu ...

“ I Apologize for Telling the Truth ”
Washington Dispatch - Oct 20, 2003
Army Lt. General William G. Boykin, the new US deputy secretary for
intelligence, apologized to his critics Friday for offending ...

'General! Shut your mouth ... Sir!'
WorldNetDaily - Oct 19, 2003
It's quite amazing, isn't it, this "freedom of speech" that we have.
It's guaranteed in the Constitution. You can say anything you ...

It's a religious war
The North Carolina State Technician, NC - Oct 19, 2003
The war on terrorism has pitted Christian values with fundamentalist Islam.
Ben Kraudel cuts through the lies and declares the war a crusade. ...

US Gen. Boykin Apologizes for Comments on Islam
Aljazeerah.info - Oct 19, 2003
WASHINGTON, 19 October 2003 — A senior Pentagon official under fire for his comments
about Islam said Friday that he never intended to denigrate the Muslim ...

FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR ARMY LT GEN BOYKIN, PLEASE
Michnews.com - Oct 19, 2003
By J. Grant Swank, Jr. Let's let freedom ring, and that includes a man
in uniform speaking from a pulpit in a church. Why not? Army Lt.Gen. ...

Putting a muzzle on the wrong dog
Baltimore Sun, MD - 4 hours ago
By Cal Thomas. ARLINGTON, Va. - Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, a much decorated
soldier, was wounded by the political correctness movement ...

Why does mainstream Islam tolerate extremist views?
The Tallahassee Democrat - 5 hours ago
By Cal Thomas. Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, a much decorated soldier,
was wounded by the political correctness movement last week ...

FIRST-PERSON: Muzzling the wrong dog
BP News, TN - 13 hours ago
By Cal Thomas. WASHINGTON (BP)--Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, a much-decorated
soldier, was wounded by the political correctness movement ...

Muzzling the wrong dog
Jewish World Review - Oct 21, 2003
By Cal Thomas. The notion that religion is not at the heart of the hatred
directed at America from outside and now inside the country ...

Wrong and Divisive
Washington Post - Oct 20, 2003
Would that Mr. Bush's sense of outrage at religiously inflammatory remarks
was so finely tuned when it comes to members of his own administration. ...

Pentagon Edited General's Apology
NewsMax.com - Oct 20, 2003
An apology from Lt. Gen. William Boykin for speechmaking on the war
on terrorism in terms that offended some Muslims was heavily ...

BONNIE ERBE: Intelligence failure
Modesto Bee, CA - Oct 20, 2003
(SH) - A two-year crusade of sorts by the Bush administration to mollify moderate
Muslims and to try to defuse irrational hate of the West took a sudden and ...

CAL THOMAS: Muzzling the wrong dog
Modesto Bee, CA - Oct 20, 2003
(TMS) - Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, a much decorated soldier, was wounded
by the political correctness movement last week over comments ...

19 posted on 10/22/2003 5:19:00 AM PDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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What religion, exactly, is a faith based initiative promoting? Im going to need details because so far, all you have given is rhetoric with no facts to back this assertion.

Either he is uneducated in this matter as it relates to the first ammendment, or he just hates anything that promotes family values, quality neighborhoods and a group of people who look to something greater than themselves.

I know people who think I am "stupid" or "naive" to put my faith in something like God rather than have total faith in myself and myself only. He seems to fit this mold. He would rather hate me and my spirituality than address real issues like poverty, broken families, lack of education, drug use and violence which all could be a result of populations turning from religion.

Faith based programs would allow organizations of faith (regardless of creed, sect, background or whether its God, allah or timbuktu), to foster positive growth with education, shelter, clothing and keeping families stronger..... How is this bad? Oh...I think I know...

Marxists' admitted goal is to destroy family, religion, dumb down populations and promote poverty for communism/Socialism.

He is either a marxist or a useful idiot for those types.
20 posted on 10/22/2003 5:20:40 AM PDT by smith288 (‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›)
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To: Mark Felton

Don't Allow Him to Edit Your Opinion


21 posted on 10/22/2003 5:20:40 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: AFPhys
"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson
22 posted on 10/22/2003 5:29:21 AM PDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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"terrorists hate the fact that ... we can worship Almighty God the way we see fit,"

Now how could the President have gotten such a twisted idea?

23 posted on 10/22/2003 5:31:40 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Mark Felton
Aw its just a phase with many of these saps.

Wait till they grow up, start paying taxes, and then have a teenage son or daughter come home stone drunk back-talking trash.

They'll be conservatives, then.

24 posted on 10/22/2003 5:37:03 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (NORTH KOREA is a DANGEROUS CANCER in late stages; we still only meditate and take herbal medicines)
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To: Mark Felton
The most dangerous force our country faces right now doesn't come from the threat of international terrorism. It comes from evangelical Christian fanatics connected to the White House, like Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin. ,

This moron put the whole country in a panic and on an alert, all because he doesn't like President Bush and General Boykin???

25 posted on 10/22/2003 5:41:14 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Hehe! I thought much the same thing when I read "...using our tax dollars..".
At that point, I just wanted to say, "Son, as a college parasite, you don't understand TAXES until you get into the real world."
26 posted on 10/22/2003 5:41:56 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Mark Felton
What little liberal chick is this mind of mush trying to impress?
27 posted on 10/22/2003 5:43:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: Mark Felton
I don't pray, I don't go to church, I don't know if God exists or not. Why do obsessed atheists like this article's author scare me a great deal more than "fanatic" Christians?
29 posted on 10/22/2003 5:47:19 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Mark Felton
This is typical Christian bashing, conservative bashing, military bashing and pure anti-Americanism, coming from extreme leftists, bound and determined to spread their multicultural education and political correctness from sea to shining sea.

Enough already!

30 posted on 10/22/2003 5:49:30 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Mark Felton
If you really want to make Ryan Sabadow mad (and perhaps do some real good), don't write him a letter exposing his hatred, bigotry and un-American ideas.

Instead, write him a letter and let him know you are praying for him.

31 posted on 10/22/2003 5:52:55 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Mark Felton
According to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Bush administration plans on creating a "faith based" initiative that could funnel large sums of public funds to religious social services.

Just goes to show how ignorant of the facts these people really are...this plan was put in place in 1996 under Clinton, Bush is just encouraging more participation:

"Section 104 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-193), the so-called "Charitable Choice" provision, specifically addresses the use of contracts, vouchers and other funding to arrange for "charitable, religious or private organizations" to provide services under Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income and Food Stamps (and has been interpreted as applying to certain other programs as well). The statute also requires that religious organizations be permitted to receive such funding "on the same basis as any other non-governmental provider." In addition, the interim regulations for the new Welfare-to-Work Program explicitly permit faith-based organizations to apply for and receive competitive grants. Private Industry Councils and other entities administering the formula Welfare-to-Work grants are required to coordinate those activities with faith-based organizations."

And it IS constitutional under the guidelines:

Section 104 (the Charitable Choice provisions) of P.L. 104-193 includes various protections for both religious organizations and welfare recipients in an attempt to find a balance between the rights and religious liberties of both parties. Any state or local welfare agency considering a financial arrangement with a religious organization for welfare or certain relatedprograms must follow the requirements of Section 104, which include arranging for alternative providers if welfare recipients request them and not discriminating against religious organizations in contracting procedures.

The Center for Public Justice and the Christian Legal Society have published a brief guide of the statutory provisions. It holds that Section 104 is constitutional and offers guidance to both government agencies and congregations on complying with the law.

Source

The guideline can be found at:

Center for Public Justice

Charitable Choice rests on the constitutional concept that government must not discriminate against religion when it carries out its programs and interacts with nongovernmental groups.

Center for Public Justice

33 posted on 10/22/2003 6:06:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: jimt
Faith based initiatives" is lunacy - and unconstitutional.

Sorry, but you are wrong...see my post #33.

34 posted on 10/22/2003 6:11:09 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Mark Felton
Yeah. Keep all those Christians like George Washington, James Madison, John Adams, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, etc. etc. oout of the White House.

35 posted on 10/22/2003 6:14:11 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Mark Felton
I thought about replying to him or posting a comment, but an admonishment came to mind that I once heard from a very wise person: "It is a waste of time to trade spit with a jackass."
36 posted on 10/22/2003 6:15:31 AM PDT by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: jimt
Jeez, just look what happened when they accepted tax exempt status!
37 posted on 10/22/2003 6:17:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Mark Felton
I don't remember any loud whining from the left when Jimmah, while occupying the WH, consulted God in all his decision making, even consulted his daughter. We all know Roselyn had her two cents in there. No groans when he confessed he lusted once upon a time. Jimmah talked about and to God all the time while the liberal left smiled and nodded yes. OK for a Dem in the WH, but not, definately not, for a Republican Pesident.
38 posted on 10/22/2003 6:19:32 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: jimt
Bush needs to be stripping money away from NGOs and defunding federal giveaways, not adding more.

Perhaps, but if reducing the RATE of GROWTH of these programs is successfully mischaracterized as draconian cuts by the democrats and their fawning media, that isn't a feasible goal right now. The next best thing is to eliminate the prohibition on religious organizations from competing for those funds, especially since religious organizations typically deliver the services much more efficiently than organizations such as the united way, etc.

39 posted on 10/22/2003 6:20:28 AM PDT by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: Mark Felton
>>>>>KEEP GOD OUT OF WHITHOUSE

I'm sure it was the college newspaper rather than the poster who misspelled the title.

The Establishment Clause is easily the most misused portion of The Constitution. Rather than using it to mandate religious freedom, it is used instead to mandate aetheism. It is a legal bludgeon, usually wielded to silence political opponents of the wielder, who also happen to mention their religious beliefs, as the source informing their political opinions.

How letting the AFLCIO bully and intimidate on behalf of their slate of political candidates or positions is somehow morally different than letting The Christian Coalition do the same goes eternally unanswered by these hypocritical, anti-Conservative hate mongers.

An even more perplexing question revolves around why The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which invokes God at least twice per paragraph, also gets walked and sent to first base when it participates in political advocacy.

The modern usage of The Establishment Clause is an utter perversion of the First Amendment. It takes the freedom of speech law and uses it as a roll of duct tape to silence the mouths that liberal intrest groups have no desire to hear speaking.
40 posted on 10/22/2003 6:24:39 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The September 11th attacks were clearly Clinton's most consequential legacy. - Rich Lowry)
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To: jimt
You should go back and study the basis of these faith-based initiatives. If you take your bias off before you study it, you will realize that these initiatives have zero to do with religion and EVERYTHING to do with promoting human rights. You are the one who is wrong.
41 posted on 10/22/2003 6:27:54 AM PDT by Abynormal
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To: Mark Felton; snopercod
Ryan,

Other than your having mispelled your own last name ---

Keep God out of White House
Ryan Sabadow
Opinion Editor
October 22, 2003

--- you might spend some time fretting over what is terror, and see the article posted to FreeRepublic, "An abrupt end to a North Korean's life of privilege" on the same day as your attempt to mislead the student body to "the left."

42 posted on 10/22/2003 6:28:13 AM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Mark Felton
As Christians we cannot separate who we are from what we do. For those of us who are Christians our beliefs define us. It is who we are. I would expect no less from George Bush. Christianity guides us as parents, as employees, as employers, and in every aspect of our life. So, it makes total sense that President Bush is guided by his beiefs. The office should not change the person. We knew he was a Christian when we elected him and for many of us that was a determining factor. President Bush's actions define him for what he is. Just as Bill Clinton's actions defined him for what he is.
43 posted on 10/22/2003 6:32:28 AM PDT by helen crump
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To: .cnI redruM
"I'm sure it was the college newspaper rather than the poster who misspelled the title. "

nope. It was me. I re-typed the title in a pre-caffeinated fog. I was "WHITless" you might say.

44 posted on 10/22/2003 6:33:25 AM PDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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To: Mark Felton
There is absolutely no doubt that there is a well-orchestrated, well-organized, and ubiquitous movement to destroy religion in this country, especially Christianity. It has never been so overt and "in-your-face" as it is today.
45 posted on 10/22/2003 6:33:25 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Mark Felton
No doubt there are many who consider any form of conscience as a threat to their lifestyle. They tolerate only the most degrading and decadent behaviours and don't want any reminder that there is a better way or a higher standard.
46 posted on 10/22/2003 6:34:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: mountaineer
I don't believe this is quite accurate. Didn't Shepard try to hit on a couple of yahoos, who took offense?

The media has portrayed it has an attack just because MS was gay, but the killers had tried to rob/assault other non-gay people earlier in the evening. They failed because their first victim was able to get help (from friends if I remember correctly.) When they got a victim alone, they took it out on him.

47 posted on 10/22/2003 6:34:53 AM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: Gritty
"Instead, write him a letter and let him know you are praying for him."

LOL! He'll turn suicidal!
48 posted on 10/22/2003 6:39:04 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: ought-six
It has been coming. The reason it has been allowed to build is because of the pro-socialist mindset that has beset so many mainstream religions. They have allowed a disconnect to grow between faith and political action.

They have allowed the people to be almost completely pacified and demand that they tolerate the perversion of the government.

Tolerance of idiocy = public education

Tolerance of corruption = public office

Tolerance of perversion = entertainment industry

Tolerance of tyranny = mainstream media

It's time to end the "tolerance" and demand adherence to Judeo-Christian values. If Jews and Christians don't demand such values, who will?
49 posted on 10/22/2003 6:41:05 AM PDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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To: Mark Felton
General Boykin is a warrior. He's exactly the kind of guy who does things others refuse to do and will go places others are afraid to go.
50 posted on 10/22/2003 6:42:29 AM PDT by corlorde (Without the home of the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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