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Matthews, Scholars Strongly Denounce Reagan Smear in CBS Miniseries (Hardball 10-21-03)
MSNBC - Hardball w/ Chris Matthews - Transcript ^ | 21 October 2003

Posted on 10/22/2003 6:43:27 PM PDT by Stultis

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To: Az Joe
...not that there's anything wrong with that...
51 posted on 10/22/2003 9:32:31 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Howlin
Very nice point.
52 posted on 10/22/2003 9:50:05 PM PDT by des
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To: des
I don't agree with him most of the time, but if you watch his PASSION for the pure political sides of a story, you will know what I mean.

He knows a lie when he hears one and it insults his love of politics.

He doesn't like Bill OR Hillary Clinton for that exact reason.

He openly mocked Al Gore.

And he voted for George W. Bush.
53 posted on 10/22/2003 10:06:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Stultis
Reagan one who had a chance to resist Reds in this country and did effectivly. Why was it OK to fight communism overseas but not here in this USA?
54 posted on 10/22/2003 10:09:34 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Stultis
bump
55 posted on 10/23/2003 2:07:49 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: okie01
Every once in a while, even Matthews can't shut his eyes in the light of truth. Although, not often enough.
56 posted on 10/23/2003 2:51:12 AM PDT by Mustang (Evil Thrives When Good People Do Nothing!)
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To: Dave S
Someone with the screen name, "Bush-is-a-Nazi"? Kamakazi poster if I ever saw one.
57 posted on 10/23/2003 3:10:08 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Libs counterattack while Rush is away)
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To: Ann Archy



XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN 01/02/00 23:45:59 ET XXXXX

SECRET SERVICE AGENT WALKED IN ON NEW YEAR'S SEX PARTY AT WHITE HOUSE!

**Exclusive**

The New Year got off to a bang at the White House where sex was on the menu
for some of the partygoers, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned!

Celebrities from media and politics along with hundreds of other guests
danced the night away at the White House after attending the dramatic New
Year's Eve 2000 celebration at the Lincoln Memorial.

But while the first family and guests were boogieing in the New Year,
several of the revelers engaged in sex acts in a room off the Rose Garden,
according to a disillusioned Secret Service agent.

The agent revealed details of what he witnessed at the party on condition
that his identity be protected.

During what one White House aide called the "first-ever disco" at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue, the agent says he interrupted sex acts taking place in
a White House bathroom off the Rose Garden.

"I know it was New Year's Eve, and I know that everyone was celebrating and
drinking, but I was completely shocked," said the agent late Sunday. "Three
people were together having sex when I walked in on them."

The agent says he immediately recognized one of the participants before he
turned around and left the room.

"I was embarrassed and did not know what to do under the circumstances,"
the agent revealed. "I did not file a report on the incident, I'd probably
lose my job."

The agent, who has been stationed at the White House for 5 years, did give
the DRUDGE REPORT the name of the guest he recognized -- but the name is
being held from publication at this time for privacy concerns.

"I am very hurt to see this type of behavior going on in the White House
and to see invited guests carrying on this way," the agent said from
Washington.

The White House New Year's Eve guest list featured a galaxy of stars:

Robert Barnett, Williams and Connolly senior partner, and Rita Braver, CBS
News; E. J. Dionne, The Washington Post; Bruce Lindsey, assistant to the
president and deputy counsel to the president, and Cheryl Mills; Terence
McAuliffe; Leslie Moonves, CBS Television president and CEO; Michael
Oreskes, New York Times Washington bureau chief, and Jill Abramson, New
York Times Washington editor; Bernard Schwartz, Loral Space and
Communications Ltd. chairman and CEO; Jack Nicholson; Will Smith; Elizabeth
Taylor and hundreds of others.

The Secret Service agent's shocking story of sex in the White House mirrors
charges made in the memoirs of retired FBI agent Gary Aldrich in 1996.

Aldrich claimed sex liaisons between Clinton aides occurred in offices and
in the showers of the White House gym.

One incident, Aldrich wrote, involved a White House carpenter who
complained his staff was unable to finish repairs in a room because two
officials were having sex inside.

White House spokesman Mark Fabiani dismissed the book, calling it "trash
for right-wing cash."



58 posted on 10/23/2003 3:41:37 AM PDT by visualops (I'm not sure what he was wearing, but he did have a tagline.)
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To: Stultis
I saw this show. Everybody (including Matthews) acquitted themselves well.
59 posted on 10/23/2003 5:30:49 AM PDT by sauropod (Fry Mumia!)
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To: sauropod
Gold star (rare) bump for a pro-American liberal (rare), Chris Matthews.
60 posted on 10/23/2003 6:00:09 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Cicero
WELLLLLLLLL! There you go agAAAAAAAAAAAAAAinnnnnn!!!

Pray for President Reagan and the Truth

61 posted on 10/23/2003 6:27:55 AM PDT by bray ( Old Glory Stands for Freedom)
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To: Az Joe
It's blocked. Maybe too many "real Americans"
have commented about the lies, and the biased, leftist attempted to smear one the greatest Presidents of all times.
62 posted on 10/23/2003 7:41:26 AM PDT by zip
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To: okie01
Actually, Matthews is just being consistent. I heard him before the 2000 election talking about how the democrats always try to smear the intelligence of Republican candidates. They did it with Reagan and were trying to do it with Bush. In smite of missing a lot because of his liberal views, Matthews is a man with integrity. Wrong many times, but not totally blind. He has always decried this, to his credit.
63 posted on 10/23/2003 7:44:47 AM PDT by twigs
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Since the post was already pulled by the time I got here, at least I got the flavor or it from your post.

I'm not sure I agree with the zotting and pulling of posts like this. Are we so fragile here at FR that we can't wipe the floor with bozos like this? Is our only option to pretnd they don't exist?

I for one feel energized by people like BIAN. He reminds me not to be lazy, not to underestimate the hate and stupidity of the left and to be vigilante. I love to hone my debate skills on these intellectual midgets. Clearly this guy is so intellectually flawed his only comfort is to pull out one of the weakest, more tired tactics of name calling in his attempt to have discourse.

Just my two cents........
64 posted on 10/23/2003 8:54:40 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Al Franken is a pimple on the butt of liberalism)
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To: Billthedrill
That book, and the one filled with his love letters to Nancy, gave me a view of Reagan that was truly in black and white in truly his own words. Once you read those letters, I defy you to not find him to be charming, witty, funny, with a slightly twisted (in a good andclever way) sense of humor and a truly brilliant man. As much as I thought I loved him before those books, I truly adore him even more now. I miss him and wish I had appreciated him more at the time but I was young.
65 posted on 10/23/2003 8:59:50 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Al Franken is a pimple on the butt of liberalism)
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To: Dave S
So you're the one who bought that book! I used to like and watch little chrissie but, when the chips are down, fair and balanced he is not. It's too bad because I think he shows alot of promise but, he does what he thinks he has to do for the team he plays for.
66 posted on 10/23/2003 9:35:44 AM PDT by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: Cicero
Leslie Moonves is a lying scum.

...and I bet he's not mentioned in Al Franken's latest outhouse staple item.

67 posted on 10/23/2003 9:49:34 AM PDT by blake6900
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To: Stultis
Have any of the people who are criticizing this actually seen the movie or are they like all the people criticizing The Passion based on second-hand reports?
68 posted on 10/23/2003 10:37:51 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Dave S
Nice pick. The jerk only got 2 shots.
69 posted on 10/23/2003 10:52:50 AM PDT by AMNZ
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To: Stone Mountain
They are making comments based on scripts that were obtained by The New York Times and other media sources and by the fact that those who were actually around Reagan during these years were not approached for input or commentary.

While I gather from your remark you tryingto point out hypocricy, which is understandable, I am not sure they can be compared apple to apple. The Passion is the view of an historical event, long ago, by a relatively few people which may or may not be legitimate. The Reagan story is about someone in current times and its historical accuracy can be obtained by the actual players and thus not open to "interpretation".
70 posted on 10/23/2003 10:56:00 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Al Franken is a pimple on the butt of liberalism)
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To: Az Joe
I heard none of them were of the same sex.
71 posted on 10/23/2003 11:06:23 AM PDT by Freakazoid (Freaking zoids since 1998.)
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To: Stone Mountain
actually seen the movie

That would be kind of tough since it hasn't been aired yet, and is probably still being edited. As noted comments have been based on advance scripts that have been making the rounds. Critics are trying to preempt a proxy smear of conservatives as well as a liberal hatchet job on Reagan.

72 posted on 10/23/2003 11:15:27 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: okie01
I'm a little surprised at how perceptive Matthews was in deducing this.

He must have overheard someone talking in the john. Matthews is a loser.

73 posted on 10/23/2003 12:04:26 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Billthedrill
I assume that deleted comment #18 was from Bush_is_a_Nazi. I don't know what he/she said, but disruptors really need to get a life. If they think they can come here and shock anyone or ruin our day, they're as stupid as they think Bush is.
74 posted on 10/23/2003 12:57:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: capydick
Chris is one liberal who can be counted on to be fair once in a while. I'd rate him not far behind Alan Colmes as a liberal with some sense of integrity and fairness. I also kind of like the smiling, sexy-but-aging blonde liberal attorney/law professor who's often on Fox (her name temporarily escapes my aging brain). She was disgusted by the L.A. Times releasing all the stuff on Schwartzenegger.
75 posted on 10/23/2003 1:02:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
Yep, and 21 as well. You can get a flavor for what was said in Stultis's reply in 33. It was the usual mixture of distortions, misrepresentations, and outright lies. Maybe it was the screenwriter herself...it'd be in character.
76 posted on 10/23/2003 1:07:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Dave S
And let's not forget he voted for Bush!!
77 posted on 10/23/2003 1:09:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Steve_Seattle
Susan Estrich?

Getting old is a terrible thing:

I agree that she is more intellectually honest than most RATS.

78 posted on 10/23/2003 3:24:08 PM PDT by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: Naspino
It's a lot deeper than just a network. They are just a toy.

Communists never give up.

Who's got that great list of communist goals?
79 posted on 10/23/2003 4:52:18 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
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To: Stultis
Well, the hit on Reagan was predictable. Ever since Clinton
gave it to the country up the a _ _ and the libs backed him all the way, they have had an irrational need to lash out conservatives and conservative icons to distract attention from their own warts. All the liberal dorks are out doing this. James Brolin , Streisand's boy toy, just joins the pack with the other dorks - John Kerry, Dean, Gephardt, Gore. It's the dorkacalypse. When they get tired of Reagan they go back to hurling mud at the Pope or some other figure who opposes their slimy culture of death. They're like Vampires at sunrise.
80 posted on 10/23/2003 4:58:19 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Stultis
Reagan cut his teeth fighting a communist backed union. They tried to paralyze Hollywoood, with the goal of dominating motion pictures. Baseball bats through windshields, death threats (sound familier, grocers?).

In the face of threats of acid being thrown in his face, he single-handedly (according to the communists) broke the strike.

His wife at the time (Nancy Davis) was liberal, and didn't like it. It led to his divorce.

Notice the mini series left this out.

Ronald Regan single-handedly broke the communist infiltration of the most powerful union in hollywood.

He slept with a .38.
81 posted on 10/23/2003 5:04:31 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
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To: Stultis
The VLWC is doing a much better job of driving moderates and undecided's towards our VRWC than we are in attracting them. We should thank them and ask them to continue commiting political suicide.
82 posted on 10/23/2003 6:11:08 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: capydick
Susan Estrich?

Getting old is a terrible thing:



Yeah, but she had that incredibly irritating voice all her life. Even if she was Conservative I would never listen to her!
83 posted on 10/23/2003 6:28:15 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: Steve_Seattle
#18 was from Bush_is_a_Nazi. I don't know what he/she said

I think I quoted all of it when I replied in #33.

84 posted on 10/23/2003 7:00:08 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
The best thing to do is to boycott the series and the sponsors.
85 posted on 10/23/2003 7:05:28 PM PDT by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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To: MonroeDNA
His wife at that time was not Nancy Davis, it was Jane Wyman. Nancy Davis is Nancy Reagan.
86 posted on 10/23/2003 7:17:56 PM PDT by GWfan
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To: Chu Gary
The VLWC is doing a much better job of driving moderates and undecided's towards our VRWC than we are in attracting them.

Well, if practice makes perfect, they oughta be. They've been at it for thirty years solid.

Reagan was the exception, though, at attracting people to the right and/or to the Republican Party. He got literally millions of blue-collar Dems to vote Republican, at least at the top of the ticket. Possibly even more important for the long term was the political talent that rallied to Reagan from the dark side. I'm not sufficiently intimate with all phases of American political history to say so with absolute confidence, but late 70's and early 80's may well have seen the most dramatic transfer of political/policy talent between parties that has ever occured. And how quickly it happened! Jean Kirkpatrick didn't change her registration until 1985, and she was among the foot draggers in that regard.

Of course this (like the economic recovery) is another reality that will surely be unknown to viewers of The Reagans.

87 posted on 10/23/2003 7:18:04 PM PDT by Stultis
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88 posted on 10/23/2003 7:18:12 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: yoe
The best thing to do is to boycott the series and the sponsors.

Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to resist seeing what they do with it. I will, however, tune it in through the VCR rather than the digital cable box (and tune the later to Fox News) so I don't contribute to ratings.

89 posted on 10/23/2003 7:21:01 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
I was listening to Micheal Reagan, his son, talking today. He said that the WHOLE THING, not just the AIDS quotes, is a hit job. He said there is not a shred of truth in the movie - he didn't recognize either Reagan or Nancy, the way they were represented.

He said they portrayed his Dad as a doofus dumbbell and idiot without a thought in his head. He said they had him cursing and taking the Lords name in vain and he said his father NEVER did or would consider talking like that.

All in all, he was furious and said the family was hurt.

The way he was talking, I don't think he thought that taking out a quote or two would fix it. The whole thing was inaccurate and totally a smear job.
90 posted on 10/23/2003 9:01:05 PM PDT by I still care
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To: blake6900
...and I bet he's not mentioned in Al Franken's latest outhouse staple item.

Ouch, I like to keep stapled items out of the outhouse.

91 posted on 10/23/2003 9:10:08 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Stultis


We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will
always be prepared, so we may always be free.


Normandy, France, June 6, 1984
92 posted on 10/23/2003 9:14:22 PM PDT by John Lenin (I don't believe in miracles, I rely upon them)
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To: I still care
The way he was talking, I don't think he thought that taking out a quote or two would fix it. The whole thing was inaccurate and totally a smear job.

If that's so I pity the fools stupid enough to sponsor the show. Nevertheless, they must be made to feel the pain. If this turns out to be an a-historical smear, rather than just "interpretation" of historical fact, I think we should press for a written and public repudiation from each and every sponsor.

93 posted on 10/23/2003 9:51:13 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Az Joe
I wrote to them:

"To whom it may concern:

If you folks go ahead with your slimy hit piece on Ronald Reagan, I will *permanently* remove CBS from my TV's channel lineup.

Oh -- I hear the folks at CNN are feeling lonely. Say hi to them for me, will you?

My Name
My Address"

94 posted on 10/23/2003 9:56:58 PM PDT by Tauzero (Avoid loose hair styles. When government offices burn, long hair sometimes catches on fire.)
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To: Tauzero
CBS comment line:

212-975-4321

Listen to the whole message, there is an opportunity to leave a comment at the end.

Pass the word.
95 posted on 10/23/2003 10:06:57 PM PDT by Az Joe
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To: Stultis
bttt
96 posted on 10/23/2003 10:10:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Stultis
Matthews started out confirming that not one of these Reagan experts had been consulted or contacted by the creators of the miniseries.

What? Barbra Streisand and her puppet husband don't count as "experts" on Reagan?/sarcasm

Seriously, this is what it will take. When even those with liberal political sentiments debunk this as trash, CBS sponsors may start to soften. It's a waste of time to talk to CBS -- only the sponsors matter. (That's how the Left "got" Dr. Laura.)

97 posted on 10/23/2003 11:39:01 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Steve_Seattle
Chris is one liberal who can be counted on to be fair once in a while.

I agree to an extent, though I almost fell off my chair listening to Matthews that evening. He does sometimes stand up against stereotypes, but only rarely and usually only those for whom he has an ethnic identity. More usually, he is in the forefront of perpetuating stereotypes including current myths about Bush's lies.

98 posted on 10/25/2003 7:28:08 AM PDT by OESY
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To: Exigence
It's a waste of time to talk to CBS -- only the sponsors matter.

And the local affilliates. I'm calling mine, in Dallas/Ft. Worth, next week and asking them not to air this trash.

From the clips, promos and stills I've seen it appears that the openly hostile nature of this pseudo-bio-pic is embedded in the lighting, makeup, music, actors' expressions/demeanor and etc. It doesn't look like it will be possible to "fix" it just by editing out the most egregiously offensive scenes.

99 posted on 10/25/2003 2:38:47 PM PDT by Stultis
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