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Posted on 10/23/2003 7:01:37 PM PDT by narses

Boston-AP) -- The Catholic Church in Massachusetts may be open to extending some benefits to gay couples.

That was the message of Worcester Bishop Daniel Reilly at today's Statehouse hearing on legalizing gay marriage.

Reilly said the church is firmly against gay marriage and civil unions, but believes that the state should provide gay couples with certain economic and social benefits, including bereavement and hospital visitation rights.

Gay rights advocates welcomed the Catholic Church to the debate, but said that denial of marriage would be a violation of same-sex couples' civil rights.

The Judiciary Committee today hosted the first-ever legislative hearing on the legalization of gay marriage or civil union.

The panel also heard testimony on an abortion bill that would require women to wait 24 hours before consenting to the procedure.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Massachusetts
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1 posted on 10/23/2003 7:01:37 PM PDT by narses
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
How special.
2 posted on 10/23/2003 7:02:00 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
That is SO gay.
3 posted on 10/23/2003 7:05:05 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Red Sox in 2004)
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To: narses
What's wrong with hospital visitation rights? If somebody's family has abandoned them because they're gay, maybe the partner is the only person they've got.

I don't know what "bereavement rights" are, but if it's just a representation at the funeral home, I've got no problem with that either.

4 posted on 10/23/2003 7:06:04 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Treating sexual deviancy as if it were equivalent to families is sick. As an alleged Deacon you ought to understand that.
5 posted on 10/23/2003 7:07:53 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Treating sexual deviancy as if it were equivalent to families is sick. As an alleged Deacon you ought to understand that.

As a Deacon, narses, I understand the compassion of Christ.

As a Catholic, you should too.

6 posted on 10/23/2003 7:09:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: JohnnyZ
And a self proclaimed Modern Deacon applauds this. So special.
7 posted on 10/23/2003 7:09:50 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Can you say "incrementalism", bishop? Yeah, I knew you could.
8 posted on 10/23/2003 7:11:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: sinkspur
True compassion includes denouncing public sin, not embracing it. "Go and sin no more" is not the same as allowing "economic and social benefits" for sexual deviants.
9 posted on 10/23/2003 7:11:49 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
True compassion includes denouncing public sin, not embracing it. "Go and sin no more" is not the same as allowing "economic and social benefits" for sexual deviants.

What "economic benefit" does allowing a gay person's partner involve? It's just allowing somebody to come into the hospital.

Don't worry, narses. Your nickels are safe.

10 posted on 10/23/2003 7:17:13 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Antoninus
The self proclaimed Deacon sat=ys it's just the Compassion of Christ, not incrementalism. Is he right?
11 posted on 10/23/2003 7:17:26 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Having read Bishop Reilly's comments, two presumptions come to mind about his diocese:

1. The recent homosexual scandal has hit his diocese harder than most.

2. His diocese has an especially severe vocations crisis, aggravated by large numbers of heterodox priests, religious, and chancery officials.

Anyone with particular knowledge about the Diocese of Worcester is invited to confirm or rebut these presumptions.

12 posted on 10/23/2003 7:18:25 PM PDT by Loyalist
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13 posted on 10/23/2003 7:18:38 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: sinkspur
"Economic benefits" are insurance "deacon". They are inheritance rights and property rights. Your modernist buddy here is working towards more "rights" for the sexual deviants, and you're applauding him.
14 posted on 10/23/2003 7:19:46 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Where did Bishop O'Reilly say he favored insurance? Or property rights?

Seems to me, all he wants is to let a dying person get visited by a friend or two.

And have those same friends make funeral arrangements.

Are you going to deny them that?

15 posted on 10/23/2003 7:23:21 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; ...
PING
16 posted on 10/23/2003 7:24:46 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: sinkspur
Are you claiming that your musings equal "economic rights"? Visitation in hospitals and funderal homes are not the issue, it is establishing sexual deviancy as a legal status with the Catholic hierarchy arguing FOR that recognition. Do you want the legitimate children of these queers denied their property rights in favor of one of the many sex partners the sodomites choose?
17 posted on 10/23/2003 7:25:55 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: dubyaismypresident; xsmommy
Trouble brewing in Beantown ping.
18 posted on 10/23/2003 7:25:58 PM PDT by secret garden (Courage is not the lack of fear. It is acting in spite of it. - Mark Twain)
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To: sinkspur
What's wrong with hospital visitation rights? If somebody's family has abandoned them because they're gay, maybe the partner is the only person they've got.

Exactly.
It's one thing to have moral convictions.
It's another thing to want people to suffer for their imperfections.

19 posted on 10/23/2003 7:28:19 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Loyalist
More than 30 sex-abuse lawsuits have been filed in recent years alleging that he and other administrators took part in covering for accused priests during his tenures at three New England dioceses. Bishop Reilly, who also worked in Providence, R.I., and Norwich, Conn., has denied involvement in decisions to transfer clerics. He kept the Rev. Peter Inzerillo of Worcester active despite allegations of sexual misconduct with a young priest candidate in the mid-1980s. The man said the misconduct happened when he was 19 during counseling sessions with Father Inzerillo. He said he had confided to Father Inzerillo that another priest had abused him when he was 13. Father Inzerillo denied the allegation, but after a lawsuit was filed in 1994 the bishop at the time placed him on leave. Years later, Bishop Reilly settled the case for $300,000 and reinstated the priest at a church. Bishop Reilly continued to express support for Father Inzerillo and let him work until March. When parishioners demanded the priest's removal, Bishop Reilly relented and put Father Inzerillo on leave again.
20 posted on 10/23/2003 7:28:33 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Visitation in hospitals and funderal homes are not the issue, it is establishing sexual deviancy as a legal status with the Catholic hierarchy arguing FOR that recognition.

I don't see, plus, they know they're not going to get it.

Do you want the legitimate children of these queers denied their property rights in favor of one of the many sex partners the sodomites choose?

In your world, what kid would want money from a gay father?

People ought to be able to leave their money to whomever they want and, if they draw up a will, they can.

21 posted on 10/23/2003 7:30:44 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Reading comprehension is a problem with you, isn't it? Get help.
22 posted on 10/23/2003 7:33:05 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: secret garden
Looks like they are trying to catch up to the Anglicans

A wise man once said that "modernism is the synthesis of all heresies" he was ahead of his time.

23 posted on 10/23/2003 7:34:44 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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To: narses
Reading comprehension is a problem with you, isn't it?

Narses, you're the consummate niggler.

24 posted on 10/23/2003 7:36:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: narses
Reilly said the church is firmly against gay marriage and civil unions, but believes that the state should provide gay couples with certain economic and social benefits, including bereavement and hospital visitation rights.

This sounds reasonable to me.

25 posted on 10/23/2003 7:41:10 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Boiling the frog slowly.... one degree at a time.
26 posted on 10/23/2003 7:42:04 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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To: sinkspur
People ought to be able to leave their money to whomever they want and, if they draw up a will, they can.

Are you aware of intestate succession? Do you think family members should be passed over when a man dies intestate in favour of a short-term partner in sexual perversion?

27 posted on 10/23/2003 7:42:35 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Jorge
It sounds like an endorsement of civil unions to me, a moral anethma for orthodox Catholics.
28 posted on 10/23/2003 7:44:50 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
As I read this, I think it's just the media trying to make more trouble for the Church.

The only rights mentioned are hospital visitation rights and bereavement rights. It would be cruel and inhuman not to let someone's closest friend visit another in the hospital, regardless of their relationship.

And Christians have traditionally been lenient in allowing people latitude at funerals. In the course of a book I was researching a couple of years ago, I found that after the Protestant Reformation in England, one circumstance where everyone was tolerant was in not asking any questions when a family showed up at the cemetery with a corpse. Was the corpse Protestant or Catholic? Don't ask. Let him be buried in the cemetery if that's what the family want.
29 posted on 10/23/2003 7:45:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Loyalist
Are you aware of intestate succession? Do you think family members should be passed over when a man dies intestate in favour of a short-term partner in sexual perversion?

This is an anomaly, and you know it.

Are you against a gay man being able to leave his possessions to his partner?

30 posted on 10/23/2003 7:46:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: secret garden
Trouble brewing in Beantown ping.

I'd say, this man has.....protected a lot of pedophiles

31 posted on 10/23/2003 7:47:01 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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To: Cicero
How did "economic rights" figure into your thinking then?
32 posted on 10/23/2003 7:47:03 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Just as a side note, I was hearing just yesterday that an 11th century Irish preist prophesy says there will be 110 popes and J.P. is 108. He says 110 will be the antichrist, a liberal that will defile the church. J.P. is trying to stuff the cardinals with conservatives, but alot of them are 70-80 years old. The next pope doesn't have to live 6 months after he's elected so we may be closer than we think.
33 posted on 10/23/2003 7:48:37 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: dubyaismypresident
Yep.
34 posted on 10/23/2003 7:48:41 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Cicero
Reilly told reporters after the hearing that the bill under consideration is a bad solution to a problem that could be solved through simply extending certain benefits, such as hospital visitation, bereavements rights and health insurance, to gay couples.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/10/23/gaymarriage.bishop.ap/

35 posted on 10/23/2003 7:50:04 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
One of the side effects of "partner benefits" is that you don't have to be gay to get them. We could be paying for every single person's partner's benefits. It'll be another large cost passed onto the customers of these companies. IBM is an example.
36 posted on 10/23/2003 7:51:27 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: narses
And what's taking so long for them to find a replacement for the bishop?

The head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Worcester will retire Monday, according to a published report. Bishop Daniel Reilly is expected to stay on until the pope appoints a successor.

The link is from a story from May.

37 posted on 10/23/2003 7:51:54 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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To: narses; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
Maybe he can convert Congressman Barney Frank and have him run his male escort business from a church.

http://www.worcesterdiocese.org/contact.html

http://www.worcesterdiocese.org/bishop.html

http://www.macathconf.org/contact.htm
38 posted on 10/23/2003 7:52:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: narses
Are you aware that over three-fourths of the Fortune 100 extend health insurance to domestic partners?

The bishop is expressing support for a fait accompli.

39 posted on 10/23/2003 7:52:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Yep. And when will polygamy or just group communes get those benes? And note well, the "good" Bishop is talking about extending parental rights and recognition to these sodomites too. And the "deacon" applauds this.
40 posted on 10/23/2003 7:53:08 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
Divorce is common too, let's ask him to approve of that. And pornography, and abortion too. You really are a pip "deacon".
41 posted on 10/23/2003 7:53:58 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Coleus
St. Sebastian's website might find new helpers. Gag. Puke.
42 posted on 10/23/2003 7:54:39 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
The bishop is expressing support for a fait accompli.

At one point so was slavery
And the Arian heresy was almost a fait accompli too.

43 posted on 10/23/2003 7:55:13 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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To: narses
Hey! Why not include pets??
44 posted on 10/23/2003 7:56:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: narses
What a disgrace to my Faith and those with my first name.
45 posted on 10/23/2003 7:56:15 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I don't want to Raise Taxes" "I think everything must be looked at" - Jennifer Granholm. (D))
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To: dubyaismypresident; sinkspur
Most fortune 500 companies pay for birth control pills (abortificants) and sterilizations too. I wonder, is the alleged 'deacon' suggesting the Bishop support that as well?
46 posted on 10/23/2003 7:56:41 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
The bishop is expressing support for a fait accompli.
Baaa-aaa-aaa-aaa

47 posted on 10/23/2003 7:56:49 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
Come on, Sink. NO ONE in The Church should be publicly supporting this political maneuvering. This is giving recognition to relationships that are unequivocally condemned by The Church. If the bishop feels the need to say something, he should say, "The Diocese will be happy to send a priest to visit the dying, especially those left alone in their last hours".

You need to go to Dignity's website and see what they've got planned for The Catholic Church before you say, "...they know they're not going to get it".
48 posted on 10/23/2003 7:57:00 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (ad majorem dei gloriam!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Boiling the frog slowly.... one degree at a time.

That is a risk..when we are going as far as we can to be "nice" without violating our moral convictions.

There's a fine line between tolerance and moral compromise.

But I still can't see denying people many of these things simply because they are gay and we want to see them suffer for it.

I wouldn't want God to judge me so harshly for my sins.

49 posted on 10/23/2003 7:57:02 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Dan from Michigan
BOSTON (AP) - Concerned about children with gay parents, a Roman Catholic bishop said Thursday that he and other church leaders from Massachusetts would support extending some benefits to same-sex couples - though they are strongly opposed to gay marriage.

Worcester Bishop Daniel P. Reilly told a state legislative committee that the issue of benefits should be dealt with separately from same-sex unions.

Massachusetts lawmakers are considering a bill that would legalize gay marriage. Reilly spoke at a hearing on behalf of the leaders of the four Massachusetts dioceses, including Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston.

``If the goal is to look at individual benefits and determine who should be eligible beyond spouses, then we will join the discussion,'' Reilly told the Judiciary Committee.

The Rev. Christopher Coyne, spokesman for O'Malley, said the church is specifically concerned about addressing benefits that affect children in gay families, such as education and health. Extending these benefits would not in any way contradict the Catholic Church's commitment to matrimony, he said.

``I think what's actually being said is that the benefits that are necessary for the protection of children and families don't necessarily involve any kind of a redefinition of relationship or marital status,'' Coyne said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3302073,00.html
50 posted on 10/23/2003 7:57:44 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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