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Michael Schiavo Larry King Live
CNN Live ^ | 10-24-03 | Larry King

Posted on 10/24/2003 7:05:19 PM PDT by JustPiper

Michael Shiavo gets Larry King Monday October 27th,2003. This is a change of programming from website!


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To: pc93
Check out my first design for a Life Ribbon Campaign for Terri that I want to get ramped up in the next couple days.

Ewe Arse Oak Lever !!! ;-))

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2,151 posted on 10/30/2003 9:15:38 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: floriduh voter; pc93; All
More disability rights advocate groups speaking out for Terri here

Worth the read. It's a very succinct summary of her case.

2,152 posted on 10/30/2003 9:42:22 PM PST by Aliska
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To: floriduh voter; pc93; NYer; All
Priest speaks out in Miami Herald, October 30, 2003:

Maybe someone would look up the article and archive it from the source.

I can't believe a priest would say this. He has bought into the PVS, too.

From the Miami Herald:

October 30, 2003 Priest disputes governor's role in Schiavo case

``I 'm not a lawyer, I'm not a doctor. But watching someone starve to death is just a troubling thing. I know a lot of liberal Catholic priests who would be troubled by that.''

-- Jeb Bush, the day after he signed an order to have the feeding tube reinserted in Terri Schiavo's body.

Too bad the governor never met Father Kevin O'Rourke, a Catholic priest as well as a nationally renowned professor of ethics at Loyola University's medical school.

''Well, I'm not a liberal,'' O'Rourke told me after hearing the governor's words. ``I'm far from a liberal. But I can attest that from a theological point of view that what the governor and others are doing to Terri is not doing any good for her. And the rhetoric the governor is using is foolish. That's the only way you can describe it. It shows his medical ignorance because it's attested in many studies that when people in that condition do not have nutrition they do not suffer.''

O'Rourke, the author of four books on medical ethics, finds it sad that the governor has tried to justify his actions on religious grounds and that Bush has used Schiavo's plight to curry favor with the religious conservatives.

''For Christians, it is a blasphemy to keep people alive as if you were doing them a favor, to keep people alive in that condition as if it benefits them. It doesn't benefit them,'' O'Rourke argues. ``I know it is wrapped up in the pro-life, antiabortion activity, and while I am antiabortion, I also know there is eternal life and that we should not confuse or equate the antiabortion effort with the notion of withdrawing life support from dying people.

``They act as though the most important thing is to lead a long life and Christians who read the Gospel seriously believe that it is a good life you are pursuing, not a long life. But this notion of having a long life has become the watchword for these groups. Life is terminal. Life by definition is going to have an end.'

' O'Rourke has been following cases such as Schiavo's for years. He says that whenever he talks to groups around the country, he'll ask people in the audience to assume they have been in a vegetative state for several years but are able to come out of it for just 10 seconds to say something.

Would you tell your loved ones to continue keeping you alive in this fashion?

''Nobody ever says yes,'' O'Rourke notes. ``If we can just get the emotion out of it, then it becomes clear you are not doing anything good for this person.''

The governor, who is a Catholic, denies he is pandering to the religious right, but with his brother facing reelection next year, the timing of the decision is certainly suspect and plays to the fact that as a society we have a difficult time accepting death.

''We are in a death denying society,'' says Sandol Stoddard, who was one of the founders of the hospice movement in the United States. ``We are in the most death denying society that I have ever heard about or read about. We just don't want to accept the idea that we are going to die.''

For Stoddard and O'Rourke, who have devoted the majority of their lives to the issues surrounding death and dying, the governor's actions in the case are infuriating.

The notion of the government ordering doctors to perform a medical procedure on a woman supposedly against her will is simply horrific. And no matter how you may want to couch it, that is exactly what happened. Schiavo's parents admit they do not know what their daughter's wishes were. Her husband, Michael, says Terri was very clear in not wanting to be kept alive through artificial means, and two other witnesses said they also heard Terri make such statements. More than a dozen judges, state and federal, have ruled in support of the husband.

And yet Bush and the Florida Legislature dismissed all of that by deciding she is too important a political tool to let die.

''The government of Florida is a laughingstock for the rest of the country,'' O'Rourke says. ``Anyone who knows the law knows this is an abuse of personal rights.''

2,153 posted on 10/30/2003 9:54:14 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
And yet Bush and the Florida Legislature dismissed all of that by deciding she is too important a political tool to let die.

This seems to be the mark of all the ghouls: that they accuse the people who seek to save Terri of "using her as a political tool."

2,154 posted on 10/30/2003 10:01:15 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Aliska
' O'Rourke has been following cases such as Schiavo's for years. He says that whenever he talks to groups around the country, he'll ask people in the audience to assume they have been in a vegetative state for several years but are able to come out of it for just 10 seconds to say something. Would you tell your loved ones to continue keeping you alive in this fashion? ''Nobody ever says yes,'' O'Rourke notes.

Talks to groups of what? Sheep? Cattle? I wouldn't want to put the moral burden of having to rationalize away starving me to death, upon my family. I'd say "you can refrain from everything else, but don't dehydrate or starve me to death."

2,155 posted on 10/30/2003 10:04:07 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Saundra Duffy
"My husband said that IF he didn't know the facts in this case, he would have believed that MS was credible and sincere after watching last night's performance"

Don't you think that men in general though are more willing to take things at face value? Women, I think, being more naturally intuitive, tend to "see" between the lies lines.

2,156 posted on 10/30/2003 10:06:28 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: drlevy88
Talks to groups of what? Sheep? Cattle? I wouldn't want to put the moral burden of having to rationalize away starving me to death, upon my family. I'd say "you can refrain from everything else, but don't dehydrate or starve me to death."

I still can't believe a priest would say this. It has shocked me to the core, frankly.

Time to curl up in a fetal position.

2,157 posted on 10/30/2003 10:12:43 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Saundra Duffy
"He can look into a person's eyes and know what they are thinking."

Too bad he didn't "know" that Larry would ask a couple of tough questions and that his client would make an ass of himself. Hmmmm, now that I think about it, wonder why he didn't use that super-duper mind meld thing he's got going on to keep Larry from asking anything embarassing. And seems he slipped up putting the whammy on the caller who asked about the lie detector test, too. Must be terribly stressful having "right wing right-to-lifers" making waves on your astral plane.

2,158 posted on 10/30/2003 10:14:59 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Aliska
Time to curl up in a fetal position.

No, no! If you do they'll starve you to death.

2,159 posted on 10/30/2003 10:18:14 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Graymatter; EternalVigilance
" Is there a difference between heart attack and cardiac arrest? Can either condition be determined by blood tests hours/days later? Would potassium levels remain low hours after a heart attack or cardiac arrest?"

EV, wasn't it you that had a friend who addressed this issue and you posted it on one of the threads? Heck, for all I know it might have been this one. I'm still trying to catch up after being gone for most of a couple of days. Anyway, I thought you might respond to GM's question.

2,160 posted on 10/30/2003 10:34:04 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: texasbluebell
"I'd sure like to hear what shrinks would have to say about MS after viewing this interview."

Can you say, "long term therapy....prognosis poor?" and that goes double for the child-god lawyer.

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2,161 posted on 10/30/2003 10:49:30 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Dixielander
"Fourteen years of no companionship is too long."

Your friend's letter is sobering, to say the least. It is just so hard for me to realize that there are so many people who believe everything that cable news spins. Scary really.

14 years without companionship? ROTFL! I doubt he waited 14 weeks, and if the story of his infidelity BEFORE Terri's injury turns out to be true, then he was already trying out replacements when Terri was hospitalized.

2,162 posted on 10/30/2003 11:02:28 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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Bookmark.
2,163 posted on 10/30/2003 11:59:34 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: sweetliberty; shezza
You're welcome!

Here's my favorite pxr.:

Thanks shezza:

2,164 posted on 10/31/2003 4:39:27 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Aliska
is there any doubt this man is a LIBERAL first? He cannot imagine anyone simply trying to do the right thing by choosing life. He even pulls out the 'fear word' laughingstock.
2,165 posted on 10/31/2003 4:43:52 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Robert Drobot
Hi there! PING to this at # 2153

From the Miami Herald 10/30/03:
Priest disputes governor's role in Schiavo case

[SNIP] . . .Father Kevin O'Rourke, a Catholic priest as well as a nationally renowned professor of ethics at Loyola University's medical school.

''Well, I'm not a liberal,'' O'Rourke told me after hearing the governor's words. ``I'm far from a liberal. But I can attest that from a theological point of view that what the governor and others are doing to Terri is not doing any good for her . . . shows his medical ignorance because it's attested in many studies that when people in that condition do not have nutrition they do not suffer. . .

O'Rourke, the author of four books on medical ethics. . .

2,166 posted on 10/31/2003 8:41:50 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: JustPiper
"I have 3 girl kitties who hate me"

Totally off the subject, but have you ever seen this site? There are some great pictures too.

My Cat Hates You

2,167 posted on 10/31/2003 11:25:23 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Aliska; cyn
It would seem this poor nincompoop has crossed the line and actually believes himself.

May he live in interesting times, and then be visited with a judgment where he will spend eternity in that special place our Heavenly Father reserves for those who knowing His teaching intentionally misinform the faithful.

"....And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many...." --Mat 24:11

In the meantime I shall write a complaint to the Congragation of the Faith asking they investigate this matter.

Their address :

Prefect Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine Of The Faith
c/o His Excellency Mgr. Angelo Amato, S.D.B.
Piazza del S. Uffizio 11
00193 Rome, Italy

2,168 posted on 10/31/2003 11:45:30 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot
In the meantime I shall write a complaint to the Congragation of the Faith asking they investigate this matter

Good for you. Please let us know if you get a resonse.

The priest doesn't write as if he is fully informed about this particular case.

Here's the link to the article in the Herald:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/jim_defede/7137930.htm

2,169 posted on 10/31/2003 12:18:56 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
"The priest doesn't write as if he is fully informed about this particular case.

......or His teachings.

2,170 posted on 10/31/2003 12:22:21 PM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: sweetliberty
Thanx Sweet -g- I am sharing it since with are a large cat family!
2,171 posted on 10/31/2003 4:37:57 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: JustPiper
Can't turn your back on them cats, that's for sure. My cat is getting senile I think. He has taken to rearranging the bookshelves (throwing stuff on the floor) to make room for himself. He is pushing 16 years old and I swear he spends a good portion of his days plotting ways to get back at me for everything I ever did to "offend" him. LOL!

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2,172 posted on 10/31/2003 4:44:24 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
LOL so hard everytime I see this picture! We have a crazy baby too, she was psrayed in her eyes with pepper spray and we took her on (holding head) we may be taking another stray on that looks like the bnaby in this pic.
2,173 posted on 10/31/2003 7:56:21 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: drlevy88
Hi ping your lists and communicate with others to participate in the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign.
Have them do the same.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm

Keepin up the fight for Terri! and thanks to all who are too!!! Together we shall make the difference so she can live and have the deserved intensive rehab, etc.
2,174 posted on 11/02/2003 3:11:48 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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