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Family, Friends Reflect on Schiavo
Newsday ^ | October 24, 2003, 10:33 PM EDT | ALLEN G. BREED

Posted on 10/24/2003 8:44:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. -- Diane Meyer can recall only one time her best friend Terri Schiavo really got angry with her. It was 1981, and it haunts her still.

The recent high school graduates had just seen a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan, who had been in a coma since collapsing six years earlier and was the subject of a bitter court battle over her parents' decision to take her off a respirator. Meyer told a cruel joke about Quinlan, and it set Terri off.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; schindler; spouseabuse; terri; terrischiavo

1 posted on 10/24/2003 8:44:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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ping
2 posted on 10/24/2003 8:46:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Oh, that article really puts her personality in place. She sounded like such a sweet kid.
3 posted on 10/24/2003 8:59:45 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
"Where there's life, there's hope".
4 posted on 10/24/2003 9:00:59 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
?.......What is this?......a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan,.....

Investigation needed here,.......was this a theme that 'hubby' picked up on?

Very Interesting 'history'.....T.V.

IMHO

Maybe,nothing,....and I hope nothing!

IMHO

5 posted on 10/24/2003 9:01:36 PM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro
http://www.eonline.com/Facts/Movies/0,60,50136,00.html

 In the Matter of Karen Ann Quinlan

Category: Drama
Director: Glenn Jordan
Cast: David Huffman, Brian Keith, Piper Laurie, Biff McGuire, Stephanie Zimbalist, David Spielberg

Running Time: 1 hr 40 mins
Country:
  United States
 
Summary:
A family encounters resistance when they try to let their comatose daughter die with dignity. Based on a true story
 
 
6 posted on 10/24/2003 10:02:43 PM PDT by syriacus (George Greer should have visited with the sacrificial victim, Terri, before condemning her to death.)
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To: syriacus
In the Matter of Karen Ann Quinlan released 1977
7 posted on 10/24/2003 10:08:20 PM PDT by syriacus (George Greer should have visited with the sacrificial victim, Terri, before condemning her to death.)
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To: nickcarraway
Mrs. Schindler says Terri began complaining that Schiavo never wanted to go anywhere. When she would go visit her parents or a friend from work, Mrs. Schindler says, Schiavo would check the mileage on her car.

There's a hallmark of an abusive husband. Often, abusive husbands will not allow their wives to go anywhere. If the wife works, he knows her schedule to the minute, and God help her if she should deviate from it. I think I'd have more than a few qualms right now if I were Schiavo's girlfriend.

8 posted on 10/24/2003 10:56:27 PM PDT by exDemMom (Happy to be on the side of light.)
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To: exDemMom
I think I'd have more than a few qualms right now if I were Schiavo's girlfriend.

He probably checks to make sure she has no qualms.

9 posted on 10/24/2003 11:44:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Many years ago, two women came before the Great King Solomon in the bible, and each woman claimed that the child in question was theirs, and wanted guardianship over it.
King Solomon said to just cut the baby in half, and to give each woman half of the baby.

But the real mother cried out, "Oh, do not kill the baby, just give it to the other mother", for she did not want to see her child dead, regardless of her loss. Of course, Solomon knew who was the real mother, and he gave the baby to her. No real mother would want their child to die!

That was just a few thousand years ago, and today we see the case of Terri Schiavo come before the courts here in the USA. To the court comes a man who claims to be Terri's husband. He has been wanting Terri to die for the longest time, and he lives in adulterous relationship with another woman, and has a child by her, and even another unborn. Michael Schiavo long ago stopped loving Terri. He claims to want what is best for his wife, and he calls it "death".

The real parents have petitioned for guardianship of Terri, but the courts have failed to recognize their position, which is simply one of love of a real parent for their child. This is something that is God-given.

Those in our courts are not as wise as King Solomon, and they have not allowed the real love to come to play in this case. Terri has been denied rehabiltation, even though she won a law suit that should have adquately provided her a chance to improve her life. Terri is now on medicare, with Michale leaving Terri as a burden to the state, while this so called "husband" has seemingly squandered almost all of the funds trying to kill her legally. Very little money is left.

I ask God in heaven to please provide us someone in the courts with the wisdom of King Solomon who cares about life and love. It is my greatest hope that in this case that life and love will prevail. I ask God to not allow evil and death to reign in our courts and in the life of Terri Schiavo, for we will all suffer for this.

Once I was comotose, and the doctor said that I would not live, but I did, and here I am. It was the patient love of my mother that pulled me through, and even when I could not talk, I knew her voice and trusted it. My doctor said that my mother was taking better care of me than any hospital ever could, and he allowed me to stay at home. May God be with Terri and her parents, and guide and protect them from all harm and the evil that surrounds them. May they be delivered from it.
10 posted on 10/24/2003 11:56:22 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: nickcarraway
article
11 posted on 10/25/2003 2:53:37 AM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: nickcarraway
Michael Schiavo is a REGISTERED NURSE?
12 posted on 10/25/2003 4:56:21 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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IMP Dr. Michael Baden, forensic pathogist, who finally got info from Terri's initial injuries -- in interview w/Greta Van Susteren ontherecord@foxnews.com -- pls pass this on. THANKS, FL engineer for transcription

Keep getting the info out -- to radio, newspaper, email lists, people on the street -- as honest people hear all the info, they realize this is wrong and injust.

Also -- a witness in Terri's room says that Terri was dressed inappropriately in warm clothes (TURTLENECK! ) w/blankets on her bed on Sat, Sun, and Mon. The world believes Terri is being kept comfortable, this is a 'peaceful death process'. The world needs to wake up -- and I hope this will help:

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1007658/posts?page=110

Transcript of Greta's "On the Record" - Schiavo segment - Friday 10-24-03

Greta: And now for a medical condition sparking national controversy, Terri Schiavo, of Florida, has been been in a vegetative state since collapsing in 1990, from what doctors say was a potassium imbalance, that stopped her heart.

Greta: But according to the Orlando Sentinel, Terri's family says a doctor who at their request, reviews Schiavo's medical records, found she was admitted to the emergency room, with a "rigid neck".

Greta: Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden joins us from New York.

Dr.Baden: Hi,

Greta: Welcome, Dr. Baden,

Dr.Baden: Hi,

Greta: Dr. Baden, a potassium imbalance... lets first talk about... if you had a potassium deficiency, can that cause the condition that Terri Schiavo had?

Dr.Baden: Umm, CAN, but UNLIKELY.

Dr.Baden: Potassium is very interesting , its probably the most lethal poison we have when it is injected rapidly, and thats why its the poison that kills people in capital punisment by lethal injection.

Dr.Baden: And it stops the heart from beating properly. Too much of it. But also, too little of it, hypo-potassium, can also cause the heart to stop beating properly, and lead to lack of blood flow to the brain, and death of brain cells by lack of oxygen.

Greta: All right, would it, would it...

Dr.Baden: But thats very unusual Greta, extremely unusual.

Greta: A normal healthy woman, ahh, I assume would have no reason for instance, to take potassium supplements unless perhaps she was on a dieuretic, or had some other medication that would cause a potassium depetion. Is that right?

Dr.Baden: That is correct.

Greta: All right. Um, is there any explanation in your mind, and I realize you were not her treating physician, but why would a woman her age have a potassium, umm, imbalance?

Dr.Baden: Extremely unlikely..., unless she had certain kinds of diseases, which she doesn't have. She was in her 20's... the reason she is in the state she is in is because there was a period of time, maybe 5 minutes or 8 minutes when not enough oxygen was going to her brain. That can happen when the heart stops for 5 or 8 minutes, but she had a healthy heart from what we can see.

Dr.Baden: The other thing though...

Greta: (interrupting)

Dr.Baden: I'm sorry, Greta?

Greta: No, go ahead...

Dr.Baden: Your staff has provided me with a bone scan that you guys obtained... ummm, from her initial admission, in 1991 to the hospital. And that bone scan describes her as having a head injury.. thats why she's there..., thats why she's getting a bone scan. And a head injury can cause, umm, can lead to the vegetative state that Schiavo is in now,

Dr.Baden: ...and it does show evidence that there are OTHER injuries, other bone fractures, that are in the healing stage. So thats...

Greta: Alright, alright, let me back up for a second... head injuries... Could she have had, umm, could she have passed out from a potassium imbalance, causing you know, falling, hitting her head, head injury. Is that what you're talking about... or are you suggesting some sort of pre-existing injury to her passing out...

Dr.Baden: Something... something totally different. That its extremely rare, for a 20-year old to have a cardiac arrest, umm, from low potassium, who has no other diseases.

Dr.Baden: So the other issue, is could it have been due to some other cause? which is raised by the family, HAS to be looked at.

Greta: Alright, in the 20 seconds we have left... other injuries... bone injuries... what does that suggest to you?

Dr.Baden: That... some kind of trauma. The trauma could be from an auto accident, the trauma could be from a fall, OR the trauma could be from some kind of a BEATING that she obtained from somebody, somewhere.

Dr.Baden: Umm, its something that SHOULD have been investigated in 1991, when these findings were, ahh... found...

Greta: ...were fresh.

Dr.Baden: yes, And maybe they were. Maybe they were investigated by the police at that time.

Greta: Alright, thats it, Michael Baden, thank you

Dr.Baden: Thank you.

110 posted on 10/24/2003 10:30 PM PDT by FL_engineer (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
13 posted on 10/25/2003 7:52:38 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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Terri needs an advocate. She needs to be out of that hellish hospice YESTERDAY, under care of those who do NOT want her dead. I still fear for her life, am concerned how she is being treated, given the above info about warm clothes.

There is a Judge Sexton in Tampa -- a guardianship judge who receives gov't grants to visit wards of the state, those under guardianship -- that is her job, she has the $$, seems to have a good reputation. She understands the laws of the state designed to protect the disabled and may be in a position to investigate this further.

ACLJ -- any more on them getting into this? PLS pass these questions on thanks. prayers and work continue for Terri.
14 posted on 10/25/2003 7:56:45 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn; FL_engineer
Thanks, cyn and FL_engineer. I'm glad to have the chance to read the transcript.


A "casual" comment, by a sensitive woman in her twenties, made after watching a three-handkerchief movie, should not be binding on life and death decisions.
15 posted on 10/25/2003 9:14:21 AM PDT by syriacus (A casual comment, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie should not be binding for life.)
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cyn......thanks for# 13............this whole thread is very interesting!!

FYI.......ping......Archieves

16 posted on 10/25/2003 10:17:46 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro
Thank you so much for the information!
17 posted on 10/25/2003 10:43:46 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: stanz
If he's a nurse, it certainly could explain favored treatment by the medical establishment.
18 posted on 10/25/2003 12:12:09 PM PDT by aristeides
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I wouldn't want him near me or my loved ones.
19 posted on 10/25/2003 12:50:36 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: nickcarraway
"In contrast to Meyer's recollection, her husband, Michael Schiavo, and members of his family have said Terri told them she would not want to be kept alive artificially if she were incapable of getting better."

Yeah always HIS family ... . Her husband sounds like a rel jerk.

20 posted on 10/25/2003 12:57:20 PM PDT by nmh
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To: stanz
"Michael Schiavo is a REGISTERED NURSE?",br>

Uh hum. Wouldn't want him NEAR me when I felt well much less when I was ill. I'd bet he's been doing all kinds of unehical things, medically to her to kill her.

21 posted on 10/25/2003 12:59:03 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nickcarraway
posting entire article for our information

Family, Friends Reflect on Schiavo

By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer
October 24, 2003, 10:33 PM EDT

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. -- Diane Meyer can recall only one time her best friend Terri Schiavo really got angry with her. It was 1981, and it haunts her still.
The recent high school graduates had just seen a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan, who had been in a coma since collapsing six years earlier and was the subject of a bitter court battle over her parents' decision to take her off a respirator. Meyer told a cruel joke about Quinlan, and it set Terri off.
"She went down my throat about this joke, that it was inappropriate," Meyer says. She remembers Terri wondering how the doctors and lawyers could possibly know what Quinlan was really feeling or what she would want.
"Where there's life," Meyer recalls her saying, "there's hope."
Twenty-two years later and suffering from brain damage, Terri is now the subject of a similar debate -- and so is the question of just what choice she would make about her life and death.
She has not been fully conscious since collapsing in 1990 at age 26 from what doctors have said was a potassium imbalance that stopped her heart.
In contrast to Meyer's recollection, her husband, Michael Schiavo, and members of his family have said Terri told them she would not want to be kept alive artificially if she were incapable of getting better.
Michael Schiavo petitioned in 1998 to remove Terri's feeding tube. The courts have ruled Terri is in a persistent vegetative state and last week approved the request. But after six days without food or water, the tube was restored Wednesday by order of Gov. Jeb Bush, who acted on a bill rushed through the Legislature.
Amid the swirl of court filings and the cries of protesters, family and friends say people seem to have forgotten that Terri is a person. That before people became obsessed with whether she should die, she had a life.
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Theresa Marie Schindler was born Dec. 3, 1963, to a well-to-do family in the Philadelphia suburbs. The oldest of three children, she was always shy and retiring.
Her mother, Mary, says Terri would spend hours in her room, arranging her more than 100 stuffed animals into a private zoo. Always heavy, Terri hated sports, except horseback riding, which fed her love for animals.
Terri never said anything about her weight, but her mother always sensed it bothered her.
"She cried a lot when she went to get clothes," Mrs. Schindler says.
Terri didn't go to school dances, not even her senior prom. Instead, she and her friends would go to the movies. Meyer remembers they went to see "An Officer and a Gentleman" four times in one day.
She was a huge fan of the TV show "Starsky and Hutch." Sue Pickwell figures she and Terri wrote hundreds of letters to co-star Paul Michael Glaser, and "I remember the excitement when they finally wrote back, or their people wrote back."
Terri was naive and somewhat gullible. When she couldn't get her Christmas tree to stand up straight one year, her father, Bob, told her to take it back to the lot and have them put it in the "tree straightener."
"She called me about an hour later and said, 'What did you do to me? They all laughed at me.'"
Terri has always been very tenderhearted, especially when it came to animals.
She came home crying one night, saying she thought she'd run over a rabbit or squirrel. Knowing she would be devastated if she saw the animal the next day, her brother Bobby went out and threw it in the bushes, then assured Terri he'd found nothing.
When her yellow Labrador collapsed, Terri performed mouth-to-nose resuscitation on him, her mother says.
"She was puffing away for all she was worth," she says. "He died in her arms."
Her junior year, Mrs. Schindler took Terri to the doctor to ask about her weight, which had ballooned to over 200 pounds on a 5-foot-3 frame. The doctor told her Terri would lose the weight when she was ready.
After graduation from Archbishop Wood Catholic School, she was ready. On a structured diet program, she got her weight down to 140 to 150 pounds initially.
"Terri has always been beautiful from the inside out," Meyer says. "And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point."
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Terri enrolled in Bucks County Community College with the goal of working with animals, and there she met Michael Schiavo. Mrs. Schindler says Terri went head over heels.
"It was the first guy who ever, ever paid any attention to her," she says.
Meyer says Terri talked about how gorgeous Schiavo was and how he was always telling her she was beautiful. He was the "Officer and a Gentleman" to a chubby girl who had lived vicariously through Danielle Steele romances, Meyer believes.
After a little more than a year of dating, the two were married in 1984. Terri wrote to her favorite entertainer, John Denver, to ask him to sing at her wedding, but he never replied.
By a year later, Terri had gained a little of her weight back. Meyer says Terri told her that Schiavo had seen her high school graduation picture and warned her "if she ever got fat like that again he'd divorce her."
"I said, 'He's probably kidding,'" she says. "But it was upsetting to her."
Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says it was the Schindlers who rode Terri about her weight. He says her brother sometimes showed one of Terri's old driver's licenses for a laugh.
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In 1986, the couple moved to Florida. Schiavo managed restaurants, and Terri got a clerk's job at an insurance agency.
Mrs. Schindler says Terri began complaining that Schiavo never wanted to go anywhere. When she would go visit her parents or a friend from work, Mrs. Schindler says, Schiavo would check the mileage on her car.
"She could go to those places," she says. "Any other place, he gave her crap."
Jackie Rhodes, who worked and socialized with Terri, says Schiavo would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears. She says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together.
"We actually discussed how much we could afford and where we would want to live," she says.
But Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says he wasn't aware of any trouble in the marriage.
And when the couple went to his grandmother's funeral, Scott Schiavo says, Terri told him she would not want to be put on a respirator, as the grandmother had been.
"Terri turned around and looked right in my eyes, and I can still see her sitting there on my lefthand side," he recalls, repeating testimony he gave in court. "'If I'm gone, just let me go.'"
Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce," he says.
By this time, Terri's weight had dropped below 120 and Mrs. Schindler says she confronted her daughter about how thin she was getting.
Terri's reply: "I eat, Mom. I eat."
Potassium disorders and heart failure have been linked to anorexia, but the family doesn't think Terri had a real eating disorder. Doctors have never been able to say with certainty what caused the collapse.
The day before she collapsed, Terri had complained to her mother that she was having menstrual problems, and that she wasn't satisfied with her doctor. Mrs. Schindler said they'd get together after the weekend and find her a new one.
They never got to.
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Terri is 39 now, living in a hospice in Pinellas Park. After working so hard to come out of her shell, she spends most of her days alone in a single room.
She still has her "stuffies," only not as many as before. Just a couple of stuffed dogs and a pair of plush pumpkins her mother hung up for Halloween.
Her family says she laughs when they play John Denver for her and follows them with her eyes. Doctors say those are unconscious responses.
Michael Schiavo, who has since become a registered nurse and has a daughter with his girlfriend, could not be reached for comment. But Scott Schiavo says his brother is merely trying to let Terri die with dignity.
"When it sunk into Mike's head, Mike decided to stop being selfish. 'I can't bring her back, and I've got to grant her wish.'" he says. "The bottom line is that Mike never wanted this to be a side show."
Her family and friends say they love her, too, and think she can get better with therapy. And they are just as convinced that she would not want to be let go.
One thing they are sure of. She would not like all this attention and fuss over her.
"She's not a cause," Meyer says. "She's a person. A very special person."
But, like everything else in her life, that is beyond her control.
* __
EDITOR'S NOTE: Allen G. Breed is the AP's Southeast regional writer, based in Raleigh, N.C.

Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press
22 posted on 10/25/2003 5:40:02 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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FYI....ping!
23 posted on 10/25/2003 5:48:59 PM PDT by maestro
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To: nmh
* she was always shy and retiring
* Terri was naive and somewhat gullible
* Michael Schiavo "...was the first guy who ever, ever paid any attention to her."
* Schiavo ... warned her "if she ever got fat like that again he'd divorce her ... it was upsetting to her."
* Schiavo would check the mileage on her car.
* Schiavo would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears
* Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce..."
24 posted on 10/25/2003 5:50:21 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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"Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce..."

I think this one says the most. BTW, WHEN did this unexplained or controversial "potassiam inbalance" or near "heart attack" occur? Could it be that the control freak also knew she MIGHT divorce him and decided to just kill her?

25 posted on 10/25/2003 6:06:12 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
* Jackie Rhodes...says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together ... discussed "how much we could afford and where we would want to live."

1991; possibly. Baden (#13) gave an opinion about the possibility of trauma. Of course, it's just an opinion ;o)

God be with you & protect you & yours, Terri.
26 posted on 10/25/2003 7:27:42 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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27 posted on 10/25/2003 7:47:18 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: shezza
hi, shezza -- thanks for the pxr. Oops, where'd she go?
28 posted on 10/25/2003 7:50:15 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: tessalu
"Once I was comotose, and the doctor said that I would not live, but I did, and here I am. It was the patient love of my mother that pulled me through, and even when I could not talk, I knew her voice and trusted it. My doctor said that my mother was taking better care of me than any hospital ever could, and he allowed me to stay at home."

What a wonderful outcome -- what an unexpected story, and how glad we are for your recovery! The bond between mother and child is powerful indeed.

May God be with Terri and her parents, and guide and protect them from all harm and the evil that surrounds them. May they be delivered from it.

And may a true advocate be immediately be found for Terri. Amen. Thank you, tessalu. Stay well.

29 posted on 10/26/2003 1:19:09 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: tessalu; Sloth
http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/extra/wokeup.html

(posted by Sloth; hard work had nothing to do with it.)
30 posted on 10/26/2003 1:48:50 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
I still see the picture...are you getting the dreaded red-x instead?
31 posted on 10/26/2003 3:27:41 AM PST by shezza
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To: shezza
no, it offered to load, but didn't, even when I especially 'asked' it to!

That pictures speaks volumes for Terri and her mother. Thanks so much!

32 posted on 10/28/2003 5:05:35 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway; maestro; syriacus; stanz; MarMema; pc93; floriduh voter; phenn
Hey, guys, take a look at this VERY INTERESTING discrepancy -- compare this article (in entirety at #22 above) VS this new one --
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1009520/posts


The Consequences of Casual Conversations
The Daily Standard ^ | 10/27/03 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/28/2003 2:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck

ONE EVENING, during the second term of President Ronald Reagan, Terri Schiavo and her husband Michael decided to watch a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan. Quinlan, as most readers know, had a tragic life. After overdosing on a combination of drugs and alcohol, she fell into unconsciousness and never awakened. Her parents won a lawsuit in the New Jersey Supreme Court allowing them to disconnect her ventilator. Karen didn't die immediately--she lived on for 10 more years before finally expiring from pneumonia.


While discussing the movie, Michael claims that Terri stated she would not want to live hooked up to a "machine" (she's not), or be a "burden" (her parents don't consider her a burden and want to care for her).

Michael's brother, Scott, backs up his claim, while his sister-in-law, Joan, told the court that Terri had approved of pulling the life support from the dying baby of a mutual friend and said that if she ever wrote a "will" she would say that she didn't want "tubes."


33 posted on 10/28/2003 5:10:55 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Thanks, cyn. The plot thickens.
34 posted on 10/28/2003 6:03:53 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: cyn

Testing, testing.... can you see it now? If not, copy this URL:
http://hometown.aol.com/shezza/myhomepage/terri_and_mom.jpg?mtbrand=AOL_US
and paste it into your browser's address bar. You'll go to the hosting page. Then come back to this page and see if you get the photo in posts #27 and #35.

35 posted on 10/28/2003 9:29:31 AM PST by shezza (proud to be one of Terri's Trooper)
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To: cyn
It seems to me ridiculous that a casual remark (at 25, no less) can be interpreted as a legal decision. People make remarks like this, but they aren't in that situation.

If someone says ``I want to kill so-and-so'' is that regarded as truth?

36 posted on 10/28/2003 10:31:49 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
"The Consequences of Casual Conversations"

No kidding! Seems a casual conversation can give someone legal authority to end your life!

I believe it's entirely possible that Terri could have gotten mad at her friend for making a joke about Karen Quinlan and perhaps a few years later told her brother in law at a funeral, "Just let me go." Events in peoples lives are perfectly capable of influencing their opinions which can be changed by yet another event.

A young happy girl has a stubborn will to live. A girl who is trapped in a miserable, abusive marriage? May be thinking there's not much here to hold on to. Been there.

How often does a person decide to end their life.. only to change their mind when they get to the moment of truth? I would say more often then not!!

What if a person even goes as far as to create that living will.. but suddenly the time comes and they don't want to go through with it? What if they seem to be in a coma...but are actually aware of what people around them are discussing...? I don't know how even a living will created perhaps years in advance could be admissible in court..but a casual conversation??? Please!
37 posted on 10/28/2003 10:33:06 AM PST by ljswisc
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