Muslim leader with D.C. ties indicted

MSNBC ^ | October 24, 2003 | Lisa Myers and the NBC Investigative Team

[JohnnyBravo]

Yawn,

I've seen better displays of childish petulance, but none more frequent than yours.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

As usual, you address none of my points but persist with the ad hominum attacks. Nonetheless, I'm getting you calibrated, as are others who read your posts. Keep it up. Information is our friend.

BTW, you seem to be very angry. FYI you might want to look into this.

[JohnnyBravo]

Nonsense. Muslims do not consider anyone who is not muslim to be the 'enemy', and saying that their religion is based upon deceit is simply bigotry (along with being a false assertion) You've obviously don't some study, enough to throw a few arabic buzzwords around, but your study was just as obviously done at one of the resources for the practice of bigotry in religion.

There are sites where misguided zealots of each faith does it to the other, and it's simple ignorance to try to 'learn' anything but bigotry at one.

[JohnnyBravo]

So you're accusing a muslim of being a bit anti-semetic? Welcome to the real world. THey have a little trouble on occasion in separating the race from those who represent it to them, just like many here.

He also said, "We must not strengthen the enemy by pushing everyone into their camps through irresponsible and unIslamic acts. Remember Salah El Din and the way he fought against the so called Crusaders, King Richard of England in particular. Remember the considerateness of the Prophet to the enemies of Islam. We must do the same. It is winning the struggle that is important, not angry retaliation, not revenge."

In the world of arab rhetoric, that's a VERY moderate statement. Compared to some of the bigotry I've read in these threads over the last few days, I'd rather have lunch with the PM than many of the bigots here. At least he's a bit more articulate and interesting.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Nonsense. Muslims do not consider anyone who is not muslim to be the 'enemy', and saying that their religion is based upon deceit is simply bigotry (along with being a false assertion) You've obviously don't some study, enough to throw a few arabic buzzwords around, but your study was just as obviously done at one of the resources for the practice of bigotry in religion.

There are sites where misguided zealots of each faith does it to the other, and it's simple ignorance to try to 'learn' anything but bigotry at one.

Sir, you are obviously drunk. I am not the least bit surprised, as many of your prior posts on this thread have been irrational and hyper-emotional. Please get help. My best side and I will pray for you.

[JohnnyBravo]

That's not correct. Islam looks to councils of islamic scholars (in English: 'Sharia' and about twenty other spellings) the most respected of which is the one in Saudi Arabia (home of the 'Two Holy Mosques'.) Sheik Ibn Baz is probably the most widely cited islamic scholar as an individual. There are over a billion muslims in the world, and only a few tens of thousands are a threat to peace.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

There are over a billion muslims in the world, and only a few tens of thousands are a threat to peace.

Yes. And how would you suggest that the "few tens of thousands who are a threat to peace" be brought into line with the rest of civilization?

[Technogeeb]

Nonsense. Muslims do not consider anyone who is not muslim to be the 'enemy',

Yes they do. According to Islam, you are either part of the house of Islam (dar al-Islam) or the house of war (Dar al-Harb).

and saying that their religion is based upon deceit is simply bigotry (along with being a false assertion)

It is not bigotry to point out what the religion dictates as doctrine, and al-taqiyah (deceit) is not only an acceptable part of Islam, but part of that religion which is actively embraced.

You've obviously don't some study, enough to throw a few arabic buzzwords around, but your study was just as obviously done at one of the resources for the practice of bigotry in religion

Only if you consider the Hadiths to be "resources for the practice of bigotry in religion" (of which you might be accurate; the first accurate thing you've said on this topic).

There are sites where misguided zealots of each faith does it to the other, and it's simple ignorance to try to 'learn' anything but bigotry at one.

Islam has more than enough intrinsic faults; there is no need for anyone to go to any effort to create additional ones. Far from being "simple ignorance" that creates bigotry against Islam, it is the "simple ignorance" of those that believe Islam is a "religion of peace" (or some other invented PC nonsense) that has created so much tolerance of it in the West. Thye tolerate it only because they do not know (or refuse to recognize) the sick philosophy for what it is.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Looks like "Johnny BS" has left town. Good riddance.