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$85,000 salaries: Teaching pays off
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | October 26, 2003 | D. AILEEN DODD

Posted on 10/26/2003 1:59:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Many Teachers on Long Island exceed 100K a year. The average is about 75K. In my district about 10% exceed 100K, one teaches kindergarten.

The days of poorly paid teachers on LI ended long ago. However, the union still uses the stereotype to garner sympathy from the non-educated public.

I was at an open house when one of the teachers stated she taught for the love of the children; "because we all know it isn't for the money". Laughter broke out everywhere; the teacher was quite embarrassed.

People I know who have tried to get hired in the district say it is virtually impossible to get placed unless you are a relative or friend of someone who already works there. Pathetic.

Our district is only slightly above average when compared to the rest of the state regarding mandated state wide testing. Of cousrse, the union fought having to perform this testing. I guess it makes it to easy to identify who is doing well and who isn't (both teacher and student). Go figure.
41 posted on 10/26/2003 4:20:10 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: Zipporah
To solve students' math problems, eucators go to school - Boosting teacher skills seen as key*** The report also recommends that colleges and universities boost their math requirements for education majors. Many schools require no more than a single math course for future teachers. ``It's a vicious cycle,'' Fortmann said. ``People don't learn math very well in school, they avoid math in college, and the cycle continues. What we're hoping to do here is break the cycle.'' ***

Pasadena teacher who assigned politically charged letter writing to resign*** Williams' supporters say the district proposed firing her in response to political speech. The district denies politics played any part in the decision to fire her.***

42 posted on 10/26/2003 4:24:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And bennies, let's not forget the bennies. Around here the health care benefits and pensions are what's costing us big-time.
43 posted on 10/26/2003 4:24:39 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: PigRigger
Schools focus on America's flaws, report says*** "It's important that students understand not only our flaws and failings, but also the degree to which the United States was really the first modern democracy and the degree to which it has inspired democrats around the world," Mr. Diamond said. "It's a call for balance; it's not a call for purging from the history books honest criticism of our failings."

The report calls for a stronger history and social studies curricula, starting in elementary school and continuing through all years of schooling. It also suggests a bigger push for morality in education lessons.

"The basic ideas of liberty, equality, and justice, of civil, political and economic rights and obligations, are all assertions of right and wrong, of moral values," the report says. "The authors of the American testament had no trouble distinguishing moral education from religious instruction, and neither should we."***

'Pluralism' manifesto lights a furor - Academic Bill of Rights***DENVER - A Republican proposal to boost pluralism in academia in Colorado has enraged the left, prompting cries of McCarthyism and calls for an investigation.

The flap erupted last week after word surfaced that Colorado Republican leaders are throwing their support behind the "Academic Bill of Rights," a document drawn up over the summer by Los Angeles-based conservative activist David Horowitz.

The eight-point manifesto calls for increasing intellectual diversity in academia by urging universities to seek more conservative professors, include more classics in the curriculum, invite conservative speakers to campus, and protect students who disagree with liberal professors from academic harassment.***

44 posted on 10/26/2003 4:25:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mewzilla
Bump!
45 posted on 10/26/2003 4:25:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here in southern NY, my old high school gym teacher made $85k 25 years ago. Probably extra in there for coaching, but outrageous. That's why employees of the government monopoly were prohibited from unionizing - until, I think, the Kennedy administration.
46 posted on 10/26/2003 4:29:23 AM PST by Paul_B
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To: Paul_B
***Even as local property tax is viewed as an unfair way to fund education, it represents reality given the state and federal mandates that don't come with enough money attached. Arlington Selectman Charlie Lyons said his community must find a new approach that takes into account taxpayers' ability to pay.

"Some people are income poor and property rich and said, `We can't afford it,' " said Lyons. Others might simply not want to pay for a service they don't use. Public education is an act of community and public faith, a pact between those who use the public schools and those who don't.

The gamble is that making school engaging, which might cost an extra $400 a year in taxes, will add to public life, if not real estate values. But how do you sell something as intangible as educational quality? "A lot of people don't want to support the public schools any longer. They don't feel like they should, and that is a real moral issue," said Arlington School Committee chairwoman Suzanne Baratta Owayda, noting the pressure to pay for programs with user fees. Judi Bohn, Arlington Public Schools partnership coordinator, wonders if the town will lose appeal without excellent schools. "Are we going to end up in a place where people say, `Oh, Arlington is a great place to live, but you have to send your kid to private school,' " she asked.***Source

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People don't wan't to support BAD public education.

47 posted on 10/26/2003 4:35:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
For thirty years I've been sick and tired of the teachers' unions trying to shame me into higher school taxes while at the same time holding a gun to my head. Everyone wants our children to have great education; many, however, resent union extortion to do so. When teachers do far better financially than the community median, when older folk have to move because they no longer can afford the taxes, something is dreadfully wrong. All the more so as the quality of education, acedemic and social, is declining.
48 posted on 10/26/2003 4:50:00 AM PST by Paul_B
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To: laredo44
What I'd like is a breakdown of a typical work week. What was the 60 hours composed of? How much time in class, how much grading papers, etc

On an average day, it was 8 hours in the classroom/homeroom/studyhall and 4 hours for grading papers, making tests, devising experiments, lesson planning, after school support for the two clubs, helping students, maintaining the ASRs, etc. Why do you ask?
49 posted on 10/26/2003 5:07:40 AM PST by pt17
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To: Zipporah
You think they are improving? I beg to differ..

*****

I don't agree. When my 7th grade boy and girl (twins: Adam and Eve) bring home algrebra homework, are reading a couple novels a month for entertainment (LOTR etc...), can consistantly answer every question to $32,000.00 on Millionaire, building neat things (CO2 race cars, CD's Holders, robotic legos) and can provide a reasonably intelligent conversation, something is going right.

I noticed since JEB started grading schools and making students take and study for the FCATs things have improved. The schools are more focused on the three R's. People complain some teachers are teaching the tests, I say if the tests are the three R's, so what.
50 posted on 10/26/2003 5:14:35 AM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: BushCountry
algebra
51 posted on 10/26/2003 5:17:14 AM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: Pedantic_Lady; BushCountry; Cincinatus' Wife
The public school system is corrupt in that it uses its considerable political power, obtained through the teachers' union's lobbyists and corrupt judges, to thwart the will of the people, and to constantly increase the size of the educational bureaucracy.

In Oregon, we voted down a tax increase, despite the hand-wringing ads run by the corrupt teachers' union, but they managed to get the governor and legislature to sign a budget to raise taxes, so they can have an even fatter budget.

Now, as we collect signatures to reject that increase, teachers are using their classrooms to indoctrinate children into begging their parents to not sign the petition, and giving them propaganda printed up by the teachers' union that summarizes their position.

52 posted on 10/26/2003 5:31:12 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: pt17
Why do you ask?

Because I find it difficult to believe -- not saying you didn't, just finding it difficult. When I left teaching, I found just the opposite. The most classroom time I ever spent was 4 hours and 10 minutes per day (5 classes @ 50 minutes each. Grading papers never took, over the course of a school year, more than 1 hour per day on average. There were other things, similar to what you mention and most of which I was paid for, clubs, director of the school's intraural programs, gifted program committee, test and textbook selection committe, but I almost never remained at school after 4pm. Sometimes I would return in the evening or on Saturday to take tickets or keep score at sporting events. But again, I was paid to attend events other had to pay to attend. They were also all voluntary. In ten years of teaching I never had one mandatory activity on a weekend or holiday.

When I got into business, I found myself quickly drawn into 12-18 hour days, seven days a week.

53 posted on 10/26/2003 5:32:23 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Schools have become a dumping ground for the government.

College graduates with the lowest ranking diplomas become teachers, then administrators.

Cafeterias receive 'commodities' from the Dept. of Agriculture.

Superintendents usually make as much money as Congressmen, but the pay is so low for 'support staff' (the folks that actually DO something) you're better off working at Burger King!

54 posted on 10/26/2003 5:47:33 AM PST by MamaTexan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A lot of needless fuss is made over teacher's salaries. They get paid what the market will bear and that's that. There's no conspiracy to underpay teachers. So long as school systems can find teachers willing to start at $30,000 a year (or whatever), that's what they will get paid. Once the schools cannot find teachers to work at that price, the starting salaries will ratchet up until they are found. Simple economics. Supply and demand.

I also should comment on the analogy that is often made between the difference in salary of school teachers and professional athletes. This argument is often made by liberals and is intended to show that priorities in our society are somehow screwed up. How absurd, the comparison. All I have to say to that is that if an Algebra teacher can fill Shea Stadium on a Sunday afternoon for his lecture with millions of people tuning in at home on TV, then all the power to him - he can make $10 million a year too. And maybe Texas Instruments will sign him up to endorse their calculators.

I don't think anybody has a problem with paying teachers well but since (in the case of public schools), they are paid with our tax dollars, it would be irresponsible to pay them a penny more than what the market will bear (and that goes for all public servants).

What I don't understand about our public school systems is the glut of non-teaching personnel that now hang out at our schools - all paid with tax dollars. You got your school psychologists (who evidently are the ones "available for counseling" everytime some kid gets run over by a car or ODs on drugs), your guidance counselors (not one but many), your "outreach" counselors, etc., etc. There are probably more people employed at my son's high school in non-teaching roles than those who actually teach. And on that subject, why are there full-time janitors? Can't they subcontract cleaning services to sweep the floors and empty the trash cans at night like 99% of all businesses now do? Or maybe they can have the teachers be responsible for sweeping up their own classrooms and having unruly students stay after school to sweep the hallways and clean the bathrooms instead of sitting in detention?

Put me in charge of schools and I will get things fixed and maybe get these teachers more money without having to raise any taxes.

As for public school teachers, they do have it pretty good overall. They get the summers off with several weeks during the school year (when schools are closed for winter break, Christmas, etc.). They get this thing called "tenure" which basically means they can't get fired unless they do something really, really bad. And pensions are pretty generous in most places.

55 posted on 10/26/2003 5:47:40 AM PST by SamAdams76 (205.2 (-94.8) Homestretch to 200)
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To: laredo44
Check your FRmail
56 posted on 10/26/2003 6:04:47 AM PST by pt17
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To: SamAdams76
In Oregon, some public employees, teachers included, retire with a pension higher than their highest salary.
57 posted on 10/26/2003 6:16:41 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BushCountry
chalk it up to competition
58 posted on 10/26/2003 6:24:03 AM PST by alrea
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
At the heart of the discrepancy may well be a reluctance on the part of educators to report campus crime fully.

Many schools prefer to handle crime – even violent crime – themselves, using detention or suspension rather than filing police reports.
This could be one reason why.

59 posted on 10/26/2003 6:29:40 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Driver Education teacher 155k !!!!

Click here: The Champion - Family Taxpayers Network
http://www.thechampion.org/teach2002/detailpage.asp?id=144603&district=Township H S Dist 211
2001-2002 Salaries
Employee Detail Page Do Another Search Name: Milek James M
Salary: $154,504
Time: Time
Months: 10 months
Percent: 100%
Position: Teacher
Experience: 29 years
Assignment: Driver Education
Role: High School Teacher
Degree: Master's
Grade(s): 9 to 12
District: Township H S Dist 211
60 posted on 10/26/2003 6:35:36 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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