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Rod Dreher: This Islamic group tends to extremes
Dallas Morning News ^ | 10/23/2003 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 10/26/2003 4:29:48 AM PST by TrebleRebel

Nazi? Moi?

All I had done was ask a simple question of Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, the general secretary of the Islamic Society of North America, who recently met with The Dallas Morning News' editorial board.

Dr. Syeed's revealing reaction – he said that my query reminded him of "Nazism" and that I would have to "repent" – tells us a great deal about American Islam's extremist problem ... and ours.

ISNA is the largest Islamic organization in the country, serving as an umbrella group for 300 or so mosques, cultural centers and affiliated groups.

The North American Islamic Trust, a sister organization set up for what its Web site calls the "protection and safeguarding" of the finances of ISNA and other groups, owns between 20 percent and 27 percent of this country's mosques.

ISNA is heavily funded by Saudi contributions and has been described in congressional testimony by terrorism expert (and Muslim convert) Stephen Schwartz as one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States.

Though ISNA portrays itself as mainstream, Islamic scholar Ali Asani of Harvard calls it "ultra-orthodox [and] ultra-conservative."

Echoing similar reports from across the country, Dr. Khalid Duran, a moderate Muslim, and unnamed others like him told the St. Petersburg Times that extremists try to take over American mosques and hand the titles over to NAIT.

Jamaluddin Hoffman, a Sufi and moderate, characterizes what's going on as "a war for the heart and soul of our religion."

ISNA's advisory board (see www.isna.net) is thick with men who have espoused extremist opinions and have troubling associations.

There's Siraj Wahhaj, a Brooklyn imam named by U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He also testified as a character witness for convicted terror mastermind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman. Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes has documented at least two occasions in which Mr. Wahhaj has urged followers to overturn the U.S. system of government and set up an Islamic dictatorship.

There's Muzammil Siddiqui, a former ISNA president who spoke at an Oct. 28, 2000, "Jerusalem Day" rally in Washington, an event that degenerated into a hatefest in which the crowd chanted, "Death to the Jews!" Columnist Debbie Schlussel, citing a Pakistani news Web site, quoted Dr. Siddiqui as saying that Islamic rule has to be global and that "all our efforts should lead to that direction."

ISNA board member Bassam Osman is the president of NAIT, which owns the Islamic Academy of Florida. That school was described as a criminal enterprise in the federal indictment handed down in February against school founder Sami al-Arian and others alleged to be Palestinian Islamic Jihad fund-raisers.

ISNA sponsored a big conference this past summer in Dallas (www.dfwisna.com). Mr. Wahhaj, Dr. Syeed and Dr. Siddiqui spoke there, as did Imam Zaid Shakir, who said in a 1992 educational video that Muslims can't accept the American political system because "it is against the orders and ordainments of Allah."

None of these people has been charged with any criminal wrongdoing. But they all have been affiliated with a brand of Islam that most Americans would, and should, find frightening. We are entitled to ask why.

Given ISNA's leadership, it is no wonder Dr. Syeed wouldn't give a straight answer when a Morning News colleague of mine asked him three times what his organization was doing to fight Islamic extremism.

When I asked the man how he squared his profession of tolerance and moderation with having radicals on the ISNA board, Dr. Syeed became hostile, sputtering that my question reminded him of Hitlerian persecution. That is blustering nonsense, of course, and an attempt to silence legitimate questions about ISNA's agenda through intimidation and misdirection.

They must not get away with it. As benign as they sometimes sound, Dr. Syeed and his ilk are no friends of moderation and tolerance.

As the late Seif Ashmawi, a moderate Muslim-American newspaper publisher, once put it, "Radical Islamic groups have now taken over leadership of the 'mainstream' Islamic institutions in the United States, and anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately engaging in self-deception."

Silence and a lack of curiosity, however well meaning or unwitting, are allowing a malignant ideology to grow unchecked in this country.

American Muslims who want no part of Islamofascist ideology are its first victims. They won't be its last.

Rod Dreher is an editorial writer and occasional columnist for The Dallas Morning News. His e-mail address is rdreher@dallasnews.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: isna; jihadinamerica; moderateislam; moneytrail; muslimamericans; muzammilsiddiqi; muzammilsiddiqui; radicalislam; roddreher; siddiqui
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1 posted on 10/26/2003 4:29:48 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
But I don't understand. Islam is "the religion of peace", "that has helped shape the character of the United States, and has made great contributions to the world", according to the top administration official.

I mean, come now AMERICAN Islamists surely must represent the best of that peaceful religion, wouldn't they? The "terrorists" are only a small radical branch of that "peaceful religion" aren't they?

Until we understand and accept that we are at war with Islam only because it is their stated goal to dominate the world and destroy all philosophies that aren't theirs will the western world have any chance at all of living in "peace". Unfortunately, IMO, it is going to take an attack that makes the events of 911 seem like a Sunday school picnic before many will understand the insidious goal of Islam and then act accordingly.

What most apologists for Islam don't understand and there can't accept is that it is not simply a religion. It is a socio/economic/political system using the veil of "religion" and "belief in Allah" to justify their murderous, barbaric actions.

Islam is at WAR with the rest of the world and it is not simply a war of words or ideas. They are raised to believe their will must be imposed upon us by "the sword" and that their warriors who die in martyrdom in that cause receive special adulation in the eyes of their god.

When will their apologists here wake up and smell the coffee?

2 posted on 10/26/2003 5:04:32 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: TrebleRebel
Publicize the names of your enemy.
Educate the people, so they know who they are.
Then round them up & get rid of them.
3 posted on 10/26/2003 5:07:46 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: ImpBill
"The "terrorists" are only a small radical branch of that "peaceful religion" aren't they?"

Don't start the all "Islamists are terrorists" mantra.
All Moslems are not terrorists. Yes, there are radical branches. And they're very dangerous and must be weeded out from the mainstream. Just as there are Christians who don't take every single word in the Bible literally, so there are Moslems who accept the Koran as a "whole", but not line-by-line. Many Moslems in Iran consider themselves secular.
Let's try to keep the Islamofascists/terrorists in the catagory to which they belong,(The Enemy) and let the rest
of the people live in peace.

4 posted on 10/26/2003 5:37:55 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: ImpBill
Jesus, Bill! What's your problem?

In round numbers, there are a mere 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world. A paltry 5% or so are active terrorist, fire- breathing international jihadist suicide bombers who hate all things un-Muslim and will kill to make that point. OK. Now stop being such a racist!

75-80 million people with very deep pockets want to kill you, your family, your friends, and destroy your country and culture. Relax. No Biggie. Another 15% or so of Muslims support these unfashionable, fanatic anti-social types with money and other help. They personally wouldn't dream of strapping on the dynamite, or hi-jacking your flight. So lighten up, at least 80% of the world's Muslims are not going to hurt anyone.

Unfortunately, that includes their more enthusiastic brothers in the Religion of Peace.

5 posted on 10/26/2003 5:58:55 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: nuconvert
You are certainly welcomed to your opinions, as I mine.

My OPINION is that ISLAM IS TERROR!

It is obviously apparent that should you even study the history of this vile philosophy in a small degree that we won't agree. That's the way things are. It is just my opinion that your attitude is naive, but a popular one nonetheless, and will cause us much more suffering as a nation than we need endure. But perhaps it is inevitable that we endure more pain before people really come to understand the insidious philosophy of Islam.

6 posted on 10/26/2003 5:59:14 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: Kenny Bunk
See #6. I am not out to convert you or anyone to my view, but I am not going to back down either.

ISLAM IS TERROR! It was built on it. It demands it (Jihad). And it rewards it.

7 posted on 10/26/2003 6:02:17 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: Kenny Bunk
BTW, Islam has nothing to do with "race". Calling me a racist simply goes to show that you know little about the "philosophy". It is much more than a relgion in comarison to Western theologies. But it is going to take some study on the part of people unfamiliar with it to understand that.
8 posted on 10/26/2003 6:05:56 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill
Bill, of course you ain't a racist! My point is all Muslims at least tacitly support the extremists. That is, as an unorganized religion, they cannot discipline wayward members. As a result, Islam is not about what people believe ... it's about what they do.

For example, why aren't the Saudis sending troops to help eliminate the Taliban in Afghanistan? Why has there been no outcry in the Muslim world about slavery and the killing of Christians in the Sudan and elsewhere. There is a great deal of blather (unfortunately, a lot of it coming from the White House) right now about the difference between "Islam," a pure and noble 'Religion of Peace,' soi-disant ... and Isalm-ISM, a bad thing that wants to take over the world and will kill you to do so, unless everyone immediately converts to their religion and way of life.

My point to you is that there is no difference. Islam is not just another religion. Many people in Germany read "Mein Kampf." They ignored it as the blueprint of the Nazis. Hopefully, when people read the Koran, they will not ignore it as the blueprint of Islam.

9 posted on 10/26/2003 6:30:20 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: TrebleRebel; All
Mohamet's original name as given by his birth mother was "Kothan". His mother couldn't afford to raise him. He was orphaned and nd his name was changed after he left his mother to live with relatives.

Mohamet in all liklihood DID know how to both read and write as he was a business man who ran a camel caravan that traveled extensively (his uncle's business). Mohamet had a rich, educated Jewish wife (at that time Jews, including womenm, were well educated in the synagogues). Mohamet came into contact with many Christians (especially heretical Christians), including a Nestorian Monk, with whom he had many long discussions about religion. Mohamet worshipped the same chief pagan god of the Arabs called AL LAT while he was growing up before he founded a new religion. The statement that Islam worships the same God Christians and Jews do is a relatively recent 'observation'.

In all liklihood Mohamet was either an epilectic or a man with some sort of psychological disease (early sources note what sounds very much like some sort of 'fits').

In my opinion, there was and is NOTHING "holy" about this man who approved of slavery and assasinations when it was to his advantage. Likewise with the Islamist's book representing the religion, their black rock (likely a piece of metorite which the ancient Arab pagans also worshipped) or Mecca and Medina.

For those who have read the Qu'ran, a fair minded person could easily notice God obeys Mohamet not the other way around whenever it benefitted Mohamet's current situation. The Qu'ran has been "changed" numerous times, contrary to Islamist's claims, most likely to in order to become more politically correct, especially for Western consumption.

People are being killed every day in the name of what in REALITY is a religion founded upon MYTHS.

Saudi Arabia is a recent historical reality that happened when dissidents joined with religious extremists.
They forced all non-Muslims out of Saudi Arabia without compensation (so much for toleration and equality in "Islam").
10 posted on 10/26/2003 6:38:10 AM PST by DianaN (Eternal Freedom)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Hmmm...So using your figures, over 1.4 BILLION AREN'T terrorists?
That's a lot of help in the war on terror.
1.4 Billion against 75 million, that's do-able.
And of course that doesn't include the population
of the rest of the world also fighting against the 75 million. I think the odds are looking really good that we can wipe out that terrorist faction.
11 posted on 10/26/2003 6:39:38 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: ImpBill
"When will their apologists here wake up and smell the coffee?"

They won't.

The starry-eyed naive liberals in this country will force us to accept islam as a "religion" protected by the First Ammendment, even though it has been ruled in the courts that it is not.

12 posted on 10/26/2003 6:45:52 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Kenny Bunk
It seems we have much from which we agree. Not all Germans were Nazis, however all Muslims are ... well .... Muslims, following the dictates of the Koran and leadership of Mohammed. I particularily liked what the author of this article has to say when he states, "Silence and a lack of curiosity, however well meaning or unwitting, are allowing a malignant ideology to grow unchecked in this country. American Muslims who want no part of Islamofascist ideology are its first victims. They won't be its last."
13 posted on 10/26/2003 6:47:48 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: DianaN
People are being killed every day in the name of what in REALITY is a religion founded upon MYTHS"

You're making a big mistake getting started on myths.
Want to start with Mormons? Christian mythology?
Stay away from the religious myths argument.
It won't fly as an argument against Muslims.
14 posted on 10/26/2003 6:49:26 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
"Don't start the all "Islamists are terrorists" mantra. All Moslems are not terrorists."

No, just the ones that believe their own scriptures.

15 posted on 10/26/2003 6:50:03 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
Not only "liberals" my friend. Search the topics here on FR and see what many of the "our President can say or do no wrong" types offer in support of his statements concerning this insidious philosophy.
16 posted on 10/26/2003 6:54:30 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill
Yes, Bill. You're entitiled to your opinion.

But you're mistaken to believe I'm so naive.
What I DO believe, is that there are radicals in every religion; Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. They're all dangerous. But they aren't the mainstream. Some Christians believe in the bible, word for word, in its entirety. Others pick and choose what parts of the Bible to live by, what parts are most important to them,
which pertain to their lives and which don't, which stories are real and which are parables. Why would
you think it's any different for the Koran?

17 posted on 10/26/2003 7:05:16 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nightdriver
"No, just the ones that believe their own scriptures."

Exactly. Now you're getting it.

18 posted on 10/26/2003 7:08:48 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: ImpBill
Gotta admit.
I support our President. (though he's not infallible)
And I'm not a liberal.
So, I guess I'm a type, too.
(a personality maybe simliar to President Bush,in some ways - not so bad)
19 posted on 10/26/2003 7:17:01 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Because Christians and Jews haven't been building schools globally for the specific purpose of turning as many of their adherents into hardcore, violent radicals who dream of killing non-believers en masse?

Just a thought.
20 posted on 10/26/2003 7:27:36 AM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: nuconvert
Never meant to infer you nor he (GW) was bad. Mistaken, especially about Islam ... YES!

You see I view Islam as much more than a "religion". I have tried to point that out in every post. But it will take study of the "total philosophy of Islam as lain down by and practiced by the followers of Mohammed" in both historical and current contexts to find out what the "real Islam is".

At is's core Islam IS TERROR! Again I agree with and identify with the author of this articles statement, "Silence and a lack of curiosity, however well meaning or unwitting, are allowing a malignant ideology to grow unchecked in this country. American Muslims who want no part of Islamofascist ideology are its first victims. They won't be its last."

By the way I too supported GW in the last election, support him in the bottom line now and will vote for him in the next election more than likely. But I disagree with much of his agenda and statements. This certainly is one of them that I for the life of me don't understand nor particularily appreciate. He doesn't need to be as outspoken as I am concerning Islam, but I tire of him snuggling up to it.

21 posted on 10/26/2003 7:30:53 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: thoughtomator
But those are the radicals. The "5%", as KennyBunk puts it.
22 posted on 10/26/2003 7:31:30 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Even if it's just 5% (I personally believe it's 2-4 times that figure), we're still talking 60+ million people. Do you really think there is an equivalent 50 million or so Christians who would like to similarly cleanse the world of nonbelievers? And what do we do about those 60 million? Simply let them pursue their plans in plain sight?

I think you have to face the reality that Islam is a unique religion in its tendency towards murder. Nobody worries about radical Bhuddists, or radical Hindus, or radical Confucians. The "worst" you'll get from a radical Christian is a daily vigil at an abortion clinic. And from a radical Jew? The insistence on the right to pray at the West Wall without being murdered, maybe?

I'm afraid that your moral equivalence scale is unbalanced. Religions of peace and religions of genocide are not equally worthwhile. The problem is not that the Islamic fundamentalists are wrong in their interpretation of Islam... the problem is that they are right.
23 posted on 10/26/2003 7:39:11 AM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: ImpBill
" Not all Germans were Nazis, however all Muslims are ... well .... Muslims,..."

And all Nazis were Nazis. THAT is the important point!

24 posted on 10/26/2003 7:42:37 AM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: ImpBill
I view Islam as much more than a "religion". I have tried to point that out in every post. But it will take study of the "total philosophy of Islam as lain down by and practiced by the followers of Mohammed" in both historical and current contexts to find out what the "real Islam is".

And here, perhaps, is the crux. The radicals, too, view Islam as much more than a religion. It is a total life philosophy for them. You're right.
But for others, it is no different than being say, Kosher.
And for others still, no difference than being an average methodist or Lutheran.
Some pray 5 times/day, some once or twice/day, some once or twice /week. It's a matter of degrees.
25 posted on 10/26/2003 8:00:46 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: TrebleRebel
bump
26 posted on 10/26/2003 8:14:20 AM PST by VOA
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To: thoughtomator
My posts #3 and # 11 will tell you that I want terrorists "rounded up and gotten rid of" and "wiped out".

As for radicals in other religions, they tend to act alone or in smaller groups. And yes, they do kill; Christians, Jews, Hindus. They are included. Doing a little research will show you.

Islamic fundamentalists are included in and are the supporters of, the 5%.
27 posted on 10/26/2003 8:17:09 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Acting alone or in smaller groups hardly qualifies as sponsorship by the religion. Sure there are handfuls of radicals in every quarter. But in Islam, there are a LOT more than mere handfuls, and in addition, their violence is fully supported by their religious institutions. You cannot find a Christian, Jewish, or Hindu equivalent large enough to imply that a significant percentage of the adherents of these religions support violence against non-adherents, the way you can with regards to Islam.

Is there even one Christian or Jewish or Hindu preacher who tells his congregation to "kill the infidels"? For Islam, this is standard boilerplate.
28 posted on 10/26/2003 9:29:00 AM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Buckhead
"Those "lapsed" Muslims can and are helping us, all over the world. And we absolutely, positively need their help to win."

Do you supposed that those were "lapsed" moslems that were caught on camera going into ecstasy when they heard the news of 9/11?

30 posted on 10/26/2003 10:51:15 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: TrebleRebel
bump for exposure...especially for the Dallas-Ft. Worth crowd
31 posted on 10/26/2003 10:53:20 AM PST by VOA
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To: seamole
Jihad in America bump
32 posted on 10/26/2003 11:40:25 AM PST by tubavil
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To: nuconvert
Don't start the all "Islamists are terrorists" mantra.

What US based muslim groups fight muslim terror? What have they done? What division of islam do they follow? Who are their religious leaders? How many muslims do they speak for?

33 posted on 10/26/2003 11:51:56 AM PST by tubavil
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To: nightdriver
They were celebrating in the street in Dallas, just outside the building that housed the Holy Land Foundation. They cared not one iota who saw them, and not a single Muslim publicly decried their actions.
34 posted on 10/26/2003 12:08:10 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
Same thing in Seattle.
35 posted on 10/26/2003 12:09:54 PM PST by tubavil
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To: nuconvert
YAbut it ain't gonna be easy.
It took a long time for us to wipe out the Nazis, who numbered a great deal less than 100 million. And the Nazis did not have a wealthy, world-wide support group backing it up. The Muslims do.Christendom, or such as it is, has a long hard row to hoe before we are done with the Religion of Peace, and its warriors.
36 posted on 10/26/2003 12:24:48 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: nuconvert
..... there are radicals in every religion; Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. They're all dangerous. But they aren't the mainstream. Some Christians believe in the bible, word for word, in its entirety. Others pick and choose what parts of the Bible to live by, what parts are most important to them, which pertain to their lives and which don't, which stories are real and which are parables. Why would you think it's any different for the Koran?

Yes my o-so-politically-correct-relativist friend, there are fanatics in every religion. However, no other religion on this planet is so actively supporting its fanatics in killing, forcibly converting and mutilating, and enslaving those who do not agree. For example in 19th C America, many Christians kept slaves. But Christian Abolitionists made them give it up. Where are your Muslim abolitionists? Why should we be forced to hunt for al-qaida murders? Why don't the "good" Muslims give them up? Where in our Bible does it say to slay and enslave non-believers, as it does in the Koran? Sure, Christians have committed many an atrocity in the name of religion. And those who committed them were stopped. Muslkims have not stopped for 1500 years.

I tell you what, nuconvert. When a lady cab driver takes me to an anti-slavery, anti-female circumcision, anti-suicide bombing meeting in the Church Hall of Our Lady of Riyadh RC Church, I shall tend to believe more of your pious protestations about the Religion of Peace. Yes, 80% of Muslims mean us no harm. But that's hardly a comforting thought, since that leaves 150,000,000 people who wish our destruction. You Muslims want to be mainstream? YOU stop the ones you claim are not.

Plenty of well-meaning Americans will always believe that Islam is just another religion, believing the entirely fatuous remarks of our C-in-C. I believe he is sayoing these ridiculous things to try and keep the "lid on" Americans' natural feelings. Let another atrocity take place on our shores and that "lid" is going to blow off. Right now, Muslims are being given a window of opportunity to "clean house" especially in America. Do it, or it will get done to you. If you don't want to straighten your religion up, take it, your Koran, and your demonic customs and leave the country.

37 posted on 10/26/2003 1:19:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Buckhead
"Those "lapsed" Muslims can and are helping us, all over the world. And we absolutely, positively need their help to win."

Islam is the enemy of civilization. Get used to it.

39 posted on 10/26/2003 2:06:04 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Buckhead
"Luckily for us, however, not every Muslim follows every jot and tittle of their murderous and psychotic doctrine. Those "lapsed" Muslims can and are helping us, all over the world."

"No, dingbat." LOL!!! Wish I'd thought to say that.

Thank you. You are apparently the only one who understands what I'm trying to say. Though it doesn't seem that difficult.
40 posted on 10/26/2003 6:12:40 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: tubavil; TrebleRebel; nightdriver; VOA
"Luckily for us, however, not every Muslim follows every jot and tittle of their murderous and psychotic doctrine. Those "lapsed" Muslims can and are helping us, all over the world. And we absolutely, positively need their help to win."

If you can't understand what I've been trying to say, don't you understand this? It doesn't get any simpler.
Don't condemn them all. We need their help. In fact, if you read the articles posted on FR and the newspapers, you'd realize that Muslims are already denouncing the islamofacist/terrorists, because they are the ones who are "blackening" their religion. They want to get rid of them, too.

41 posted on 10/26/2003 6:31:33 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: Kenny Bunk
I'm sorry to inform you, that people who call themselves Christians commit atrocities every day.

"Why don't the "good" Muslims give them up?"
What makes you think they haven't given some up already?

Interesting that you assume I'm Muslim.

"When a lady cab driver..." So, your generalization about women cab drivers, is what?

"and leave the country"....my ancestors have been here since the 1600's. Have long have your's been here?

I understand you, KB.
42 posted on 10/26/2003 6:46:42 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: thoughtomator
"Acting alone or in smaller groups hardly qualifies as sponsorship by the religion"

Correct.

"...kill the infidels"? For Islam, this is standard boilerplate"

You're overstating, now. Let's remember, it's a small percentage who are "bad".
43 posted on 10/26/2003 6:54:24 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
my ancestors have been here since the 1600's. Have long have your's been here

Marvelous. The families of very few Muslims have been here that long. I did assume you to be a Muslim. And if nuconvert means that you have just really converted to Islam from the religion of your ancestors, whoseoever they might be, remember, one of our American freedoms is the freedom to leave.

Of course Christians commit atrocities everyday. It's just that darned few of them are church-sanctioned. When there is a lady cab driver in Riyadh, take up this discussion with her.

Nice job on the freeper handle, though, and see you at the next DAR meeting.

44 posted on 10/26/2003 7:44:40 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
The families of very few Muslims have been here that long. I did assume you to be a Muslim. And if nuconvert means that you have just really converted to Islam from the religion of your ancestors, whoseoever they might be, remember, one of our American freedoms is the freedom to leave.

"nuconvert" LOL!!!! Those who know will LOL also.
Do us a favor, take your own advice.
45 posted on 10/26/2003 7:51:57 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
"Muslims are already denouncing the islamofacist/terrorists, because they are the ones who are "blackening" their religion. They want to get rid of them, too."

I'll have to take your word for that because I haven't seen any evidence of it.

None of the several moslems that I know or know of have said word one in denouncing their terrorist fundamentalist brothers. We do, however, hear about moslem FBI agents who are loyal to their moslem brothers first and the security of the U.S. second or less.

If there are ANY moslems denouncing islamo-terrorists, they sure are quiet about it.

46 posted on 10/26/2003 8:23:36 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/970362/posts?page=1#1

Here's one interesting article I've saved myself.
47 posted on 10/26/2003 8:52:05 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Small percentage?, bad - in quotes?

Here are my questions again, the ones you ignored.

What US based muslim groups fight muslim terror? What have they done? What division of islam do they follow? Who are their religious leaders? How many muslims do they speak for?

There are six million muslims in the US. List SIX (one-millionith) that lead the charge against muslim terror.

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48 posted on 10/26/2003 9:00:35 PM PST by tubavil
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To: nuconvert
With all due respect, I read that article, and all it says in summary, is they want to kill peope for wanting to kill them. Again, let me ask....where are the denouncements? Where is a Muslim leader yelling for all the freaking savagery to stop?
49 posted on 10/27/2003 4:47:45 AM PST by TrebleRebel (If you're new to the internet, CLICK HERE.)
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To: tubavil
I don't know "What US based muslim groups fight muslim terror"
Perhaps you could look it up.
I'll ask around.


6 million....I didn't know that. Well, I'd like to believe they were all "lead(ing) the charge against muslim terror."
But I know there are a few bad apples in the barrel.

[btw - Did you ping seamole? I hope he shows up. He might know the answer to your question]

50 posted on 10/27/2003 12:06:45 PM PST by nuconvert
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