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San Diego County fires - Live Thread 10/26

Posted on 10/26/2003 8:35:15 AM PST by socal_parrot

New threat regarding San Diego County fires.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arson; fire
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Pleas post your most current information regarding the fires ravaging San Diego County.
1 posted on 10/26/2003 8:35:15 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: Travis McGee
Ping
2 posted on 10/26/2003 8:35:39 AM PST by socal_parrot (My other carp is a koi.)
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To: socal_parrot
It's dark and raining ash in Kearny Mesa. I just saw on the news that there is a fire in Scripps Ranch now too.
3 posted on 10/26/2003 8:37:07 AM PST by slimer ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato)
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To: socal_parrot
BREAKING NEWS: FIRES RAGE OUT OF CONTROL ACROSS THE COUNTY

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(10-26-2003) - Two major fires are burning across the county this morning, fueld by strong Santa Ana Winds.

The first fire is burning east of Ramona heading in a southwest direction towards Lakeside. A second fire is burning in the Valley Center area near Lake Wohlford.

The "Cedar Fire" started at around midnight and is burning an area of Ramona and Julian. 6,000+ acres have burned so far. Mandatory evacuations have been ordered for Eucalyptus Hills, San Diego Country Estates (where the fire is said to have started), the Ramona Country Oaks area, Barona, Muth Valley and other areas.

Barona Casino is under lockdown, but is not under evacuation at this time.

Local 8 has unconfirmed reports of 6 structures being burned. Animals have been evacuated and Local 8 News does have word of injuries.

Several roads have been closed including Route 67 between Maple View and Poway Road and Wildcat Canyon Road, which is completely shut down according to a California Highway Patrol spokesman.

Evacuation Centers have been set up at Ramona High School, Santana High School and Olive Pierce Middle School. Animals are being evacuated to the Rodeo grounds on Lakeside Road.

The "Paradise Fire" is burning in Valley Center. At least 1400 acres have been burned so far. The fire started at around 2:30 this morning and homes have been destroyed.

The southbound 76 is closed at Cole Grade Road and Valley Center Road is closed between Route 76 and Lake Wohlford.

An evacuation center has been set up at Lake Wohlford and Valley Center Middle School.

The cause of both fires is unknown at this time.


4 posted on 10/26/2003 8:37:37 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: slimer
I think Travis McGee is right. This is no coincidence.
5 posted on 10/26/2003 8:38:07 AM PST by socal_parrot (My other carp is a koi.)
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To: WestCoastGal
There is too much breaking news here in SDC to digest, flipping TV channels. There are reports that already since this AM 100s of homes have been burned to the ground, 40,000 homes are threatened immediately, and 100s of 1000s are being evaced.

The sky here in Pacific Beach is a sickly yellow-brown.....

6 posted on 10/26/2003 8:39:31 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
On the cable networks, the LA fires are hardly mentioned. The SD, not at all.
7 posted on 10/26/2003 8:41:07 AM PST by per loin
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To: Travis McGee
Hopefully your news channels will stay on....LA is down to one and that will probably end at 9:00. Cable news had the Baghdad RPG attack news conference on for a long time, I haven't seen any fire coverage there.
8 posted on 10/26/2003 8:41:11 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: Travis McGee
are you saying 100s of homes burned to the ground in SD county TOO? or are you referring to the Grand Prix up here in our area???( Rancho Cuchamonga /San Bern.)
9 posted on 10/26/2003 8:42:14 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: socal_parrot; Travis McGee
I think Travis McGee is right. This is no coincidence.

In what way? ....Terrorism?

10 posted on 10/26/2003 8:42:18 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: socal_parrot; Myrddin; Poohbah; archy
The timing of the fires in LA County, SD County, and the power towers in Northern Cali being unbolted does not look like a coincidence.

The Santa Ana winds were forecast days ago.

I wonder if ELF or other terror groups put out the word that this weekend would be the weekend for mass arson attacks?

It's getting darker and darker outside, even with the house sealed the smell of smoke is pervasive inside. Ash is flying outside, and I'm more than 10 miles from any fires, here in Pacific Beach.

11 posted on 10/26/2003 8:43:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Mr. Mojo
When is RamaDONG?
12 posted on 10/26/2003 8:44:41 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: socal_parrot
SIGNONSANDIEGO
8:26 a.m. October 26, 2003
http://signonsandiego.com/news/fires/20031026-0826-sdfires.html


TIM AUGUSTINE

Three wind-driven wildfires churned through housing tracts and thousands of acres of brush across San Diego County Sunday morning. At least two people were reported dead.

Fires burned in Ramona, Valley Center and in the Marron Valley area near the Mexican border.

A huge plume of smoke towered over much of the county, raining a thick layer of ash stretching to downtown San Diego. Dozens of roads were closed to through traffic.

The first fire, which started around midnight, was burning east of Ramona heading in a southwest direction toward Lakeside. More than 10,000 acres already have burned, and many buildings were destroyed, according to Lora Loews, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Forestry.

At least seven homes were burned and mandatory evacuations were ordered in the San Diego Country Estates area, where the fire was said to have started.

Scores more homes burn throughout Southern California as winds drive fires toward new neighborhoods





Residents of Ramona Country Oaks area Ramona Country Estates also were evacuated. The Barona Casino had not yet been evacuated.

An evacuation center was set up at Ramona High School Performing Arts Center at 1401 Hanson Lane in Ramona.

Another evacuation center for animals was set up on the Rodeo grounds on Lakeside Road.

A retired firefighter reported to the California Highway Patrol that two bodies were found in a burned-out car at 11745 Lake Vincente Road, south of Ramona.

Several roads were closed, including Route 67 between Maple View and Poway Road and Wildcat Canyon Road, which is completely shut down, according to a CHP spokesman.

The second fire, in the Valley Center area near Lake Wohlford, burned 1,500 acres along with several homes and outbuildings, authorities said. The fire began around 2:30 a.m.

Southbound Highway 76 was closed at Cole Grade and Valley Center roads.

An evacuation center was set up at Lake Wohlford and Valley Center.

The third fire has was reported at Marron Valley, near the border with Mexico. A CDF fire spokeswoman reported that as much as 500 acres were burning there.
(snip)
13 posted on 10/26/2003 8:44:57 AM PST by maggief
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To: socal_parrot
Folks, fires don't self-start at 2am and 4am ... not even during santanas.
14 posted on 10/26/2003 8:46:07 AM PST by Z-28
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To: pollywog
YES, 100s of houses have been burned to the ground in just a few hours in SD County, and 40,000 more homes at least are under direct threat.

Nobody is saying terrorism on TV, but they are saying arson, and showing how the fires seemed to spread very fast along several roads.

15 posted on 10/26/2003 8:46:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: meanie monster
Technically on the new moon (which was yesterday), but it's supposed to start when some designated moonwatcher actually sees the first sliver of a moon after the new moon, which is probably tomorrow.
16 posted on 10/26/2003 8:46:58 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
designated moonwatcher, lol, thanks
17 posted on 10/26/2003 8:48:08 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Admin, please move this to Breaking News.

This is HUGE, this should be leading the national news, and will be in a short time as the scope of this arson campaign becomes clear outside of California.

18 posted on 10/26/2003 8:48:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: meanie monster
Ramadan starts today.
19 posted on 10/26/2003 8:48:32 AM PST by null and void
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks for the update on SD County Travis. I somehow feel that terrorists will use ANY possible means to attack the heart of America, her homes!!
20 posted on 10/26/2003 8:50:02 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Travis McGee
This is HUGE, this should be leading the national news, and will be in a short time as the scope of this arson campaign becomes clear outside of California.

Maybe not. CNN is covering an important interview with George Clooney on his political views. Fox is covering Brad Pitt and his new babe, but promises to move forward to an update on who is banging Demi Moore.

21 posted on 10/26/2003 8:52:44 AM PST by per loin
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I read somewhere last night that 2 juvies started the fire. Was that true or rumor?
22 posted on 10/26/2003 8:53:28 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: pollywog; wardaddy; Grampa Dave; Squantos; Tijeras_Slim; archy
Exactly. The poster boy for this is the Green Party/ELF/Pro Palestinean Intifada guy the FBI is looking for in Northern California. He was seen unbolting power towers earlier in the week. The Santa Ana winds were forecast days ago, and then:

/1/ Power towers are found unbolted over a large area of Cali.

/2/ LA County begins to burn on Saturday

/3/ San Diego County begins to burn on early Sunday.

Notice the north to south trend over the last 3-4 days????

23 posted on 10/26/2003 8:54:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: per loin
*cough* Ahhhhhnold said he would raise taxes unless there was a major disaster...
24 posted on 10/26/2003 8:54:29 AM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
WOULDN'T dagnabit!
25 posted on 10/26/2003 8:55:01 AM PST by null and void
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To: meanie monster
I have not heard about any suspects in the arson fires in SDC.
26 posted on 10/26/2003 8:55:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: per loin
Sheesh ... now FOX is dicussing hot couples.

Are FOX Alerts only for Kobe Bryant news?
27 posted on 10/26/2003 8:56:02 AM PST by maggief
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To: socal_parrot
My daughter called me at 5:00 AM this morning from Ramona. She and all her animals had been up all night watching the fire creep closer and closer. I think it's changed direction now.

As I look to the east, I see nothing but smoke.

28 posted on 10/26/2003 8:57:25 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Me caigo a mis rodillas y hablo a las estrellas de plata. "¿Qué misterios usted está encubriendo?")
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To: Travis McGee
I just went outside, we are over the mountain from San Diego and I can see the smoke clouds south of us. Probably from the area around Julian.
29 posted on 10/26/2003 8:58:13 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: socal_parrot
The lack of cable news coverage on this situation is absolutely mind-boggling!
30 posted on 10/26/2003 8:59:10 AM PST by Brian S
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To: maggiefluffs
Some of us who were up most of the night following the LA fires suspect that there has been an organized quieting of news on the fires. Kinda like in the old Soviet Union where you could tell a big story was happening by the increased level of inanities being broadcast.
31 posted on 10/26/2003 8:59:54 AM PST by per loin
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To: meanie monster
started yesterday I believe
32 posted on 10/26/2003 9:02:03 AM PST by markman46
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To: Brian S
Some of the local TV channels just switched to Football and NASCAR. Incredible! The circus must go on, as Rome burns.

Channel 10 is still on the fires. People are evacuating like crazy...

33 posted on 10/26/2003 9:04:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: WestCoastGal
when was the last time that area burned, I remember the big cuymaca fire in the early 70's.
34 posted on 10/26/2003 9:04:56 AM PST by markman46
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To: Travis McGee
Appears that the "Click yer Bic" attack is on........:o)

Terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist and should be shot like the subhuman species they are on sight.

Stay Safe !

35 posted on 10/26/2003 9:05:49 AM PST by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: Z-28
Illegals sometimes accidently start them; they often make their makeshift homes in fields near suburbs. A good Santa Ana will spread a carelessly thrown cigarette over thousands of acres.
36 posted on 10/26/2003 9:05:55 AM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: socal_parrot; Travis McGee; All
Prayers for all of our freepers, their families, friends and other innocents in and around these infernos in the San Diego and LA areas.

Stay safe.

Have a safe route if necessary and don't wait too long. These fires can jump blocks or miles at a time with the right wind and temps.

Have your personal papers, pictures and smaller family irreplace treasures in the trunks of your escape car or the back of your SUV, ready to go. Have medicines, water and food for a day in that car with blankets or sleeping bags.

Get children, pets, older adults and anyone with respiratory problems out of those areas and head to the beach, don't wait.

Remember homes/furniture can be replaced, but lives can't be replaced.
37 posted on 10/26/2003 9:06:23 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: lainie
Ping
38 posted on 10/26/2003 9:07:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Burn victims, ambulances responding per scanner.
39 posted on 10/26/2003 9:07:31 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Travis McGee
Our best info through the night was from freepers in the area relaying what they were hearing on their scanners. Hope you SD folks can do the same today. Outside of the area we are getting almost zero news on the fires.
40 posted on 10/26/2003 9:08:44 AM PST by per loin
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To: Squantos
Shot on sight is right. Time to dust off my .223. I'm safe here in Pacific Beach, except for the oxygen situation.

Scripps Ranch to the north of me is burning, they are multi million dollar mansions.

41 posted on 10/26/2003 9:09:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: per loin
Outside of the area we are getting almost zero news on the fires.

Make that ZIP news!

42 posted on 10/26/2003 9:10:14 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Channel 10 is reporting pockets of people who are cut off by the fires and are trapped and cannot evac.

Prayers.

43 posted on 10/26/2003 9:11:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Live report coming up on FOX.
44 posted on 10/26/2003 9:12:06 AM PST by maggief
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To: null and void
when does ramadan start? today?
45 posted on 10/26/2003 9:13:14 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Travis McGee
BREAKING NEWS: Fire engulfs homes in Scripps Ranch

http://signonsandiego.com/
46 posted on 10/26/2003 9:13:23 AM PST by maggief
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To: Travis McGee
There are already dead. This is a catastrophe.

If it's terrorism, major sh*t is going to hit the fan!
47 posted on 10/26/2003 9:13:59 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, where exactly is LaMesa and Vista in all this mess?
This is terrible, and I feel for all of the people down there.
48 posted on 10/26/2003 9:14:07 AM PST by calawah98
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To: Travis McGee
The think that makes me most upset is that these fires seem to be mostly arsonist work.
49 posted on 10/26/2003 9:14:10 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Admin Moderator
Please move this to breaking news. These are NOT the same as the LA COunty fires. 100s of homes have burned already, 40,000 homes are threatened, mass evacuations are under way, there have been fatalities, there are people trapped and in great danger, and it may be terrorism.

If this is not breaking news, WHAT IS???

50 posted on 10/26/2003 9:14:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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