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Libertarians Pursue New Goal: State of Their Own
NYTimes ^ | 10/27/03 | PAM BELLUCK

Posted on 10/27/2003 4:35:48 AM PST by RJCogburn

A few things stand out about this unprepossessing city. It just broke its own Guinness Book world record for the most lighted jack-o'-lanterns with 28,952. It claims to have the world's widest Main Street.

And recently, Keene became the home of Justin Somma, a 26-year-old freelance copywriter from Suffern, N.Y., and a foot soldier in an upstart political movement. That movement, the Free State Project, aims to make all of New Hampshire a laboratory for libertarian politics by recruiting libertarian-leaning people from across the country to move to New Hampshire and throw their collective weight around. Leaders of the project figure 20,000 people would do the trick, and so far 4,960 have pledged to make the move.

The idea is to concentrate enough fellow travelers in a single state to jump-start political change. Members, most of whom have met only over the Internet, chose New Hampshire over nine other states in a heated contest that lasted months.

(The other contenders were Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Maine, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming. One frequently asked question on the project's Web site was "Can't you make a warmer state an option?")

Once here, they plan to field candidates in elections and become active in schools and community groups, doing all they can to sow the libertarian ideals of curbing taxes, minimizing regulation of guns and drugs, privatizing schools and reducing government programs.

"We want to make New Hampshire our home, and we want to make it a better place for everybody," said Elizabeth McKinstry, a project spokeswoman. "Many times government gets in the way."

One appeal of New Hampshire is the state's reputation for flinty individualism (although it has only about 400 dues-paying Libertarian Party members). The 150 Free Staters already living here lobbied hard for the state, and Gov. Craig Benson, a Republican, met with visiting members and told them to "come on up, we'd love to have you."

If the idea catches on, the movement may benefit from the unusually high political profile New Hampshire has because of its early presidential primary.

Some Free Staters plan to move when the project attracts 20,000 participants, which it hopes to do by 2006. But many intend to move sooner, and a few have already arrived.

"Having so many people move into a state means we can really raise issues," Mr. Somma said. "Once we start to elect people to the Statehouse, I think the low-hanging fruit will be issues like educational reform and medical marijuana."

Keene, a college town of 24,000, is not the only Free Stater destination in New Hampshire. Indeed, as many members acknowledge, one quandary for a movement of individualistic people is that it can be hard to get everyone on the same page.

Devera Morgan and her husband, Bruce, a computer consultant, plan to move soon from Royse City, Tex., possibly to far-north Coos County or the White Mountain town of North Conway. "I didn't think I would ever leave Texas; that's how much I believe in this project," said Ms. Morgan, 34, who wants to lift restrictions on home schooling and says she may run for office in New Hampshire.

Although Jackie Casey had voted for Wyoming, she just moved from Portland, Ore., to Merrimack, between Nashua and Manchester, renting a basement apartment with her cat, Soopa Doopa Hoopa, and her two 9-millimeter handguns. (She wants a machine gun "or at least a rifle" for Christmas.) She has already hung one wall and her bathroom with framed posters of Frank Zappa, who was a libertarian himself.

"I don't like to go places that don't let me have my gun," said Ms. Casey, 33, who sells memberships to a Las Vegas survivalist training institute and models for comic books (her likeness has graced the cover of one called Reload). Her New Hampshire plans include starting eight businesses "because nine out of every 10 fail, and I've already started two, so I need to do eight more."

"I want to be a billionaire in my lifetime," she added, "and I don't want to live among people who think that's bad."

One project member chose the tiny town of Freedom. Also planning to move to New Hampshire are two candidates for the 2004 presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party.

Some project members favor zeroing in on one county or town to maximize their influence, and are scouting out about 30 communities light on property taxes and strictures like building codes. "We completely support and respect that," Ms. McKinstry said. "We just would never dictate to people."

The Free State has its opponents here, and shoulder shruggers too.

"If you've got people saying we just want to mind our own business, keep government out of our lives, hey, we all feel that way," said Kathy Sullivan, chairwoman of the state Democratic Party. "But if they want to have a radical change in our form of government, no, you're not welcome here."

Michael Blastos, Keene's Democratic mayor, said he was not concerned because Keene had too little housing to accommodate many newcomers, and "anything at all that would stimulate the voters and get them stirred up is a good thing."

Linda Fowler, a government professor at Dartmouth, called the project a "gimmick" and dismissed "the idea that 20,000 people are going to make a critical difference in New Hampshire, a state of a million and a half people with very high voter participation."

But, she said, "I suppose if they really did produce 20,000 people, then that might provide a margin in some legislative elections in some parts of the state."

That seems to be exactly what the project has in mind, according to an article by its founder, Jason Sorens, a political science lecturer at Yale.

"When we arrive in our state, we will have to do our best to blend in, lay down roots in the community, and slowly build our individual reputations," he wrote. "If we come in trumpeting an `abolish-everything' platform, we will make enemies out of people who might otherwise be sympathetic to us. The key idea behind the F.S.P. is that for every activist, we will be able to generate several voters."

Dr. Sorens wrote that "within about 10 years after our move, we should have people in the state legislature and we should have entrenched political control of several towns and counties." He added that "once we have control of the county sheriffs' offices, we can order federal law enforcement agents out, or exercise strict supervision of their activities," and "once we have obtained some success in the state legislature, we can start working on the governor's race."

New Hampshire's constitution guarantees the "right of revolution" if "the ends of government are perverted and public liberty manifestly endangered."

But that is not their intention, Ms. McKinstry said, pointing to their mascot, a porcupine — "a friendly little forest creature who doesn't harm anyone else, minds his own business, but is not really someone that you want to mess with or you might get stuck and a little ouchy."

Dr. Sorens, 26, said the project reflected his upbringing in Houston as the son of a single mother who pulled herself out of poverty with help from relatives and a Christian charity. He also drew on the migration of the Mormons, the journey of the Pilgrims and the movement of many liberal-minded people to Vermont in the 1970's.

Free Staters, many of them college graduates under 50 earning $60,000 or more, were looking for a state that was small (fewer than 1.5 million people), with low campaign spending, so Free State candidates could compete.

New Hampshire's lack of income tax and sales tax, relatively healthy economy, liberal gun laws and proximity to Boston helped. A big plus was its legislature, the country's largest with 417 members and a state representative for roughly every 3,000 people.

"In New Hampshire, there's so many elected positions that anyone can become cemetery trustee or dog catcher," Ms. McKinstry said.

About 1,000 project members opted out of moving to New Hampshire, largely for geographic reasons, and Dr. Sorens said the project might eventually designate a second free state out west. Ultimately, he said, he hopes for regional chapters and a new political party with broader appeal than the Libertarian Party.

So far, Free Staters range along the libertarian spectrum, some more moderate than others.

Ms. Casey advocates eliminating entitlements because "then you'd only attract immigrants who are hard-working people." She said: "I radically oppose public education. It's demeaning and it creates criminals." And she says "the thing that hurts poor people is they don't know how to think of themselves as rich."

Mr. Somma doesn't argue against public schools, but maintains that they get too much money, which is good only "if you have to have nice school buildings and computers and all that." "Back in the day," he said, "they didn't need all that to teach kids. Back in the day, you were sitting around on rocks and listening to a guy talk."

Mr. Somma, who grew up in Brooklyn, confessed that he and his wife moved for lifestyle reasons, too, not just political ones.

Otherwise, he said, "I could never pitch to my parents, my wife: Listen, here's this group of people going to move to another state, and I'm going with them."


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KEYWORDS: freestateparty; fsp; nh; porcupines
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Welcome to NH. Keep on coming.
1 posted on 10/27/2003 4:35:48 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
Good for them. And why not? The liberal radicals have Vermont.
2 posted on 10/27/2003 4:44:08 AM PST by DeuceTraveler
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To: RJCogburn
We're hearing that Claremont is going to be one of the top destinations for the Free Staters.
3 posted on 10/27/2003 4:49:24 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("We happy because when we switch on the TV you never see Saddam Hussein. That's a big happy.")
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To: RJCogburn
This is so ironic.
4 posted on 10/27/2003 4:51:16 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: DeuceTraveler
Maybe there could be a violent outburst on the NH/VT border. If so i'll come to help the libertarians.
5 posted on 10/27/2003 4:52:31 AM PST by BostonianRightist ("Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness" -Thomas Paine)
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To: RJCogburn
One frequently asked question on the project's Web site was "Can't you make a warmer state an option?"

Hydroponic technology makes the climate a non factor. ;^)

6 posted on 10/27/2003 4:52:55 AM PST by Gumption
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To: RJCogburn
When Delaware has the warmest climate of the states listed as libertarian destinations, you know they are looking at the cold weather country. What ever happened to the 1970s era libertarian plan to take over a tropical island and create an independent country?
7 posted on 10/27/2003 4:59:47 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: RJCogburn
"Can't you make a warmer state an option?"
Warm states have large and growing populations. By definition, you need a backwater if you want to stack it with enough cult-members to make a difference in local elections.
8 posted on 10/27/2003 5:04:16 AM PST by samtheman
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To: BostonianRightist
Where is Ethan Allen when you need him?
9 posted on 10/27/2003 5:07:46 AM PST by DeuceTraveler
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To: samtheman
Cult members huh...Don't have much of an opinion there do you?
10 posted on 10/27/2003 5:15:49 AM PST by Durus
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To: GraniteStateConservative
We're hearing that Claremont is going to be one of the top destinations for the Free Staters.

Does this mean that in the near fututre Claremont will politely decline state aid for education?

11 posted on 10/27/2003 5:24:01 AM PST by Joe Driscoll
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To: RJCogburn
If NH succeeds becoming a Liberterian State, I think there will be a drop in US expatriation to Belize, Cayman Island and etc due to the big government policies of the GOP and Democrats. I think NH will become a haven for more wealthy people who do not want to leave US and want to be left alone. I hope the Liberterians succeed. I will retire to the state.
12 posted on 10/27/2003 5:39:31 AM PST by Fee
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To: RJCogburn
I don't believe in the Libertarian creed because I think it will make things worse rather than better (in the real world). However, I wish them luck in this endeavor. This should either prove they are right or prove they are wrong.
13 posted on 10/27/2003 6:41:52 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: RJCogburn; CWOJackson

How ludicrous to hear of loons who move somewhere with the express purpose of imposing their non-judgmentalism onto their nextdoor neighbor's evil behaviors.

14 posted on 10/27/2003 6:47:22 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
How ludicrous to hear of loons...

Have you ever considered taking up the writing of children's nonsense poetry?

I think you might be a natural! ;^)

The rest of your post is incoherent as well as nonsensical, however, and there's no market for that.

15 posted on 10/27/2003 7:18:01 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: headsonpikes

Still trying to figure out what he has against Loons. Beautiful birds.

16 posted on 10/27/2003 7:30:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Beautiful birds.

With a haunting cry.

17 posted on 10/27/2003 8:20:16 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
You should be happy they will no longer be spoiling anyone's chances for a RINO to win in any of the other 49 states. The people in the one poor state that will be oppressed by libertarians can think of it as their sacrifice to the residents of the other 49 states which will then become unencumbered by such burdensome things as freedom and individual liberty.
18 posted on 10/27/2003 8:31:04 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan; RJCogburn
freedom and individual liberty.

There's another article on the forum somewhere that
describes conservatism as being founded on the
beliefs in freedom and individual liberty.  America
is in the throes of Bait and Switch.
19 posted on 10/27/2003 9:51:51 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Oh good. I'm glad to learn that you will not becoming to NH.

Stay away.

Thanks.
20 posted on 10/27/2003 11:44:24 AM PST by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: Wallace T.
What ever happened to the 1970s era libertarian plan to take over a tropical island and create an independent country?

Minerva. A South Pacific atoll that was underwater at high tide, and unclaimed by any nation. The plan was to build a seawall and make dry land. It would be a freeport which would be the non tax source of income.

The organizers produced a 'collectible' coin as a fund raiser (No, I didn't buy one)

The dream ended when the king of Tonga, at the head of what news reports at the time described as a 'war canoe' arrived, claimed the atoll for his kingdom, and drove the new country project people away.

21 posted on 10/27/2003 11:49:39 AM PST by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: Wallace T.
Here's a link

http://www.imperial-collection.net/minerva.html
22 posted on 10/27/2003 11:57:11 AM PST by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: RJCogburn
Why didn't the Free Staters pick one particular county in NH? Why diffuse the effort across the whole state?



23 posted on 10/27/2003 12:04:58 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Claremont needs some fresh ideas.
24 posted on 10/27/2003 12:23:30 PM PST by corlorde (Without the home of the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: RJCogburn
I had a good chat with John Hospers about this in '96.

The early years were the optimistic years. ;^)
25 posted on 10/27/2003 1:05:26 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Durus
Like any good cult, they leave real-world considerations out of their calculations.
26 posted on 10/28/2003 4:33:46 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
There you go throwing the cult word around again. What do you know about the freestate project? Based on your knowledge of the freestate project, what real world considerations do you think they failed to calculate?
27 posted on 10/28/2003 5:54:38 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus
The real-world consideration ignored by all Libertarians: foreign enemies out to murder us in our sleep.
28 posted on 10/28/2003 9:49:04 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
I don't think that the freestate project pretends to ignore such issues. Stop by the freestateproject.org website sometime to get the facts.


Unless of course you just want to slam L/libertarians no matter what the facts may be.

29 posted on 10/28/2003 11:04:46 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus
I know many libertarians. I've been in many discussions with libertarians. I'm not against people moving anywhere they want to move to be with like-minded neighbors. I see nothing wrong with that. I wish them all the success in the world in building whatever community they want to build. I'm sure it will be a fine and pleasant place to live. But I still believe that the Libertarian Party is both a political party and a cult. It has many cultish aspects. One is a complete disregard for the need for a strong national defense. That's an issue that won't really come up in their local community --- unless they refuse to pay their income tax, like other cultish New Englanders have done in the past.
30 posted on 10/29/2003 4:14:14 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
The freestate project is not an arm of the Libertarian Party, and in fact there is much debate going on now on if they will even un-officially support the NH Libertarian Party.

Believe me when I say that I know many libertarians (adherents to the political philosophy) that are both, in agreement with your assesment of the LP, and are far more digusted with the LP then you are.

31 posted on 10/29/2003 6:59:04 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus
Interesting.

Both your points.

Thanks.
32 posted on 10/29/2003 10:51:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: RJCogburn; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; ...
FSP PorcuPing!

-archy-/-

33 posted on 10/30/2003 2:51:18 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Why didn't the Free Staters pick one particular county in NH? Why diffuse the effort across the whole state?

Because in any group of 5000, hopefully followed by 15,000 more in the years to come, there'll be a wide range of personal circumstances, trades, family groupings and individual tastes. Some are hoping for a few acres in a rural locale, others have positions or trades that require location in a county seat or the state capital city.

Railroaders need to be at least fairly near the lines that serve their hometown, truckers need to be near their terminals, aircraft pilots and mechanics near an airport.

With thousands on the way, it's most unlikely that they'll cluster too much in any one or two counties, though surprise, surprise: Those counties in which NH Porcupines or libertarian cousins are already located have been described and offered as interesting choices to those so inclined, and particular offers of hospitality and initial relocation assistance will surely get at least some takers. That may even offer enough of an impetus to result in some FSP results as soon as the election a year and a month from now- no certainty on that, of course, but it's possible, and would make a nice touch.

And who knows: maybe as the Democrats find them relegated to the fourth-largest political party, some will return to the pismire socialist/liberal havens from whence they fled, offering vacated spaces for even more Porcupines jumping on the Granite State bandwagon. We shall see. But the next few months will be an intense time for some, followed by the next 24 months and the remainder of this first decade of this new century.

-archy-/-

34 posted on 10/30/2003 4:13:15 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
How many you think are headed for Rockingham County (near the border w/MA) . . . ?
35 posted on 10/30/2003 5:13:47 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
How many you think are headed for Rockingham County (near the border w/MA) . . . ?

The last poll I saw of those planning to make the move before the 20K figure is reached, which may well not be indicative of those coming in the later bunch [many of whom are college students, planning to arrive after graduation; others are plasnning transfers to NH institutions for their final graduation or post-grad work] indicated that Coos, Grafton and Carroll counties in the northern *spearpoint* of the state were favoured. And I'm one of 'em, looking at the N. Conway-Crawford Notch area myself.

Just hazarding a guess, I'll bet Rockingham picks up something around a tenth of the 20K, maybe 1500-2500.

Yeah, I know: the 15,866 registered Republicans plus the 8,324 Unaffiliated voters remain less than 25K, even adding in the 59 registered Libertarians. Add 2500 Porcupines, and it still totals only 26,690, still less than the county's 29,301 registered Democrats. There's still a lot of work to be done....

But why don't you ask yourself? You can check out the NH discussion group *here* and the *pioneers* relocation group *here*- and even if you don't care to join the Porcupines' overall effort, we'd love to have you as a *Friend of the Porcupines-* like Governor Benson is.

-archy-/-

36 posted on 10/30/2003 6:13:14 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
You guys can consider me your Lafayette over the boahdah.
37 posted on 10/30/2003 6:18:48 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: samtheman
First of all, libertarians believe in no gun control and a heavily armed populace, in addition to a strict policy of international non-interventionism. This philosophy, coupled with advancing international free trade, would be the best recipe for a national defense.

Secondly, I have only ever met 3, 3 libertarians in my entire life, who believe in open borders. LIBERTARIANS WANT CLOSED BORDERS. Many believe it is a "property right" of such. That the national LP platform calls for open borders means very little in the minds of libertarians across the country who want to secure our borders.

As the other poster said, there are many, many libertarians who wish to change a few parts of our platform. Open borders is a big one.
38 posted on 10/30/2003 6:32:50 AM PST by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You guys can consider me your Lafayette over the boahdah.

Lafayette, we are here. Soon.

-archy-/-

39 posted on 10/30/2003 6:59:57 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
40 posted on 10/30/2003 8:45:48 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: RJCogburn
Notice how it's the Democrats bitching about the FSP and the Republican governor welcomes them. Should tell you something about the anti-libertarians here on FR.
41 posted on 10/30/2003 8:46:27 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: Cultural Jihad
You're the one always saying how the "good people" of any given state should set their own course. You should welcome this opportunity for people to go there and make a difference rather than imposing it on your state. If you prefer California's government, you have the right to stay there. Ain't freedom grand?
42 posted on 10/30/2003 8:48:59 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: samtheman
The real-world consideration ignored by all Libertarians: foreign enemies out to murder us in our sleep.

And that has what to do wih state politics?

43 posted on 10/30/2003 8:50:57 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: samtheman
One is a complete disregard for the need for a strong national defense.

I agree that some of the LP's policies are really, really flawed, to the extent that I refuse to join the party. I prefer to stay in the GOP and support the Republican Liberty Caucus. Please keep in mind that the FSP is NOT a Libertarian Party effort, and liberty-minded folks from all parties are welcome to join.

44 posted on 10/30/2003 8:52:48 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: RJCogburn
You do not need to move to NH to be one of them. Just turn your back on those who are not "Americans". Do not speak to them, do not help them, do not buy anything off them. Just turn your back on evil, corruption, superfical hollywood type crap, etc., and turn your face to God and the good. Love your kids, which means "pay attention" to them, and live life. The crud will drop away.
45 posted on 10/30/2003 8:52:57 AM PST by RISU
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To: RJCogburn

46 posted on 10/30/2003 8:57:59 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Tall_Texan
This isn't a Bush picture thread.
47 posted on 10/30/2003 9:11:49 AM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: RJCogburn
Keene has families who have been there 250 years. It won't be possible to be accepted in the first generation.
48 posted on 10/30/2003 9:15:49 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: jim_trent
"because I think it will make things worse rather than better (in the real world)."

True. But one of the reasons that Canada can dick around with socialized medicine, and Mexico can run a corrupt government, is that the US is right here to bail them out.

Dittos with NH. Expect your federal tax dollars to start flowing their way.

49 posted on 10/30/2003 9:42:41 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Expect your federal tax dollars to start flowing their way.

FSP has explicitly stated that one of its goals is to reject federal money and the strings attached to it. But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way.

50 posted on 10/30/2003 9:45:34 AM PST by freeeee
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