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Profs ponder lack of conservatives on college faculties
The Dartmouth ^ | Wednesday, October 22, 2003 | By Michael Herman

Posted on 10/27/2003 11:50:52 AM PST by .cnI redruM

Common stereotypes portray university faculties as "vast left-wing conspiracies," a sentiment most recently articulated by New York Times columnist David Brooks in an attention-getting op-ed piece last month. Brooks' piece, titled "Lonely Campus Voices," criticized university faculties for having a liberal bias and for making it exceedingly hard for conservatives to receive tenure at top universities.

While there is some agreement with Brooks' view among Dartmouth's faculty, most professors here who spoke to The Dartmouth about this issue felt that Brooks inaccurately presented the political atmosphere at most colleges.

In the article, Brooks writes that "faculties skew overwhelmingly to the left. Students often have no contact with adult conservatives, and many develop cartoonish impressions of how 40 percent of the country thinks." Brooks also claims that conservatives face discrimination and resentment when trying to seek tenure.

Among Dartmouth's faculty, especially in the humanities and social sciences, there are a greater number of politically liberal professors than conservative ones, said Linda Fowler, director of the Nelson E. Rockefeller Center. However, she thought that this disparity is most likely due to self-selection.

Liberals, she argued, are more drawn to study topics like history, religion, philosophy and similar disciplines because "they're predisposed to take relativist views -- that's why they study what they study." On the other hand, conservatives who go to graduate school tend to pursue other career paths in the private sector or in politics instead of in academia, Fowler said.

Jeff Hart, emeritus professor of English, took an opposite view. He said that conservatives choose not to go into academia precisely because they fear not receiving tenure because of their political views. "Conservatives don't think they can get anywhere in the academic profession," he said.

But Hart did allow for some exceptions. "A good conservative will get promoted."

Most professors here disagreed with Brooks' claim that conservatives have a harder time receiving tenure. "Political views play virtually no role in the hiring of faculty," chair of the economics department Doug Irwin said, "I would be very leery in the name of diversity to apply a political litmus test for hiring."

Still, Hart contended that liberal professors are more likely to favor a liberal candidate over a conservative one when deciding tenure because "liberals tend to think that liberalism is common sense, whereas there has to be a good reason to be conservative: it might be a psychological aberration or bad character," said Hart.

"Conservatives like to believe they're fighting the good fight against a deeply entrenched enemy," said Fowler, adopting a different stance. "To blame the academy for a dearth of [conservative] people seeking degrees really isn't useful."

While there are fewer conservatives than liberals among Dartmouth's faculty, said English professor Ivy Schweitzer, "the senior faculty tends to be more conservative in general, and as a group, than the younger faculty, and so fewer wield more power." In that sense, it is hard to say if conservatives are really a minority at Dartmouth, she said.

"I think we have a very open forum for faculty to speak, from all sides of the political spectrum," said Schweitzer. "Is the general atmosphere here 'liberal?' Yes, because we are a liberal arts institution, and liberal arts education is supposed to produce 'liberal' attitudes that encourage forward thinking ideas about inclusion, equality and innovation."


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A bit old, but worth kicking around a bit.
1 posted on 10/27/2003 11:50:52 AM PST by .cnI redruM
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To blame the academy for a dearth of [conservative] people seeking degrees really isn't useful."

I have noticed without exception that whenever anyone calls an argument "not useful" it means that the argument is 100% correct, yet doesn't conform to the agenda of the person calling it not useful.

2 posted on 10/27/2003 11:55:18 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: .cnI redruM
These people are blind to history.

All Liberal arts were overwhelmingly conservative 60 years ago.

3 posted on 10/27/2003 11:56:20 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: .cnI redruM
While there are fewer conservatives than liberals among Dartmouth's faculty, said English professor Ivy Schweitzer, "the senior faculty tends to be more conservative in general, and as a group, than the younger faculty, and so fewer wield more power." In that sense, it is hard to say if conservatives are really a minority at Dartmouth,

What a load of crap. Anyway, the real reason that the facutly does not see themselves as liberals is that most liberals think they are middle of the road, and thus disagree with arguments that put them on the left.

4 posted on 10/27/2003 11:56:22 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: .cnI redruM
The Campus Blacklist

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7357

The most successful and pervasive blacklist in American history is the blacklist of conservatives on American college campuses, their marginalization in undergraduate life and their virtual exclusion from liberal arts faculties, particularly those that deal with the study of society itself. Because it is a blacklist enforced by academics, there has been no academic study of the problem. Consequently, the evidence regarding its mode of operation and the extent of its impact is anecdotal or confined to research that is incomplete. Nonetheless, its reality is undeniable.

This spring I have spoken at more than a dozen universities, while conducting my own inquiries into this problem. In my speeches, I always try to cover a broad menu of subjects, hoping in the hour or two available to jar students who may be seeing their first conservative speaker in the flesh into thinking in new ways about issues that confront them. These include the war, race relations, and the pervasive influence on campus of leftist viewpoints. In my speeches, I always make it a point to begin with the subject of the university blacklist, and open my remarks with these words: "You can’t get a good education, if they’re only telling you half the story --- even if you’re paying $30,000 a year." This is the slogan of the Campaign for Fairness and Inclusion in Higher Education, which I launched two years ago and which is beginning to gain traction on the campuses I have visited as conservative student groups take up the cause of intellectual diversity in their academic institutions.

Tulane Law School – one of the institutions I visited this spring -- has not a single Republican or conservative faculty member; the Duquesne Law School – where I also spoke -- has one. The students I met at the University of Michigan could not identify a single conservative on their faculty, although they could name several Marxists. At Bowling Green, conservative professors were isolated in a research center that has no teaching responsibilities. Out of 15 professors in the Department of Political Science at the University of Richmond, a private school with a decidedly conservative student body there is one Republican. The only school where there seemed to be even a handful (a literal handful) was at the University of South Dakota, a state which Bush carried in the 2000 election by 26 points.

The Center for the Study of Popular Culture is presently conducting a survey of the voting registrations of professors in the social sciences at 40 universities. The results already confirm the above impression as did the surveys by Frank Luntz and the American Enterprise magazine, which were initiated by the Center. An independent study of 20 law schools by John McGinnis and Matthew Schwartz also confirms the absurdly unbalanced ratio disclosed by our efforts (McGinnis and Schwartz published preliminary findings in a recent Wall Street Journal article.) At a recent lunch I had with the Dean of the Journalism School at the University of Southern California I asked him if he could name a single conservative on his faculty. He confessed he could not. You could throw a dart at a list of all American universities and be virtually certain of hitting one where Republican and conservative faculty members constitute less than a dozen members of a liberal arts faculty made up of hundreds.

At the beginning of April, after the United States and Great Britain had liberated Iraq, and after the streets of Baghdad were filled with Iraqis celebrating their freedom, the Academic Senate at UCLA voted to "condemn America’s invasion of Iraq" by a vote of 180-7. Such a politically partisan vote would itself have been regarded once as an abuse of the university, more appropriate to a political party than an institution devoted to scholarship and research. But the more extraordinary fact was that in a nation where 76% of the population support the war after the fact, 95% of the faculty senate at a state-funded academic institution were passionate enough in their opposition to "condemn" it.

The absurd under representation of conservative viewpoints on university faculties obviously does not happen by random process. It is the result of a systematic repression (and/or discouragement) of conservative thought and scholarship at so-called "liberal" institutions of higher learning.

In state universities the political bias against conservatives in the hiring process amounts to an illegal political patronage operation, which provides huge advantages to the Democratic Party and to the political left. Democratic and leftwing activists are subsidized and provided platforms at institutions with billion dollar budgets. Allegedly scholarly reports on capital punishment, racism, poverty and other volatile political issues that make their way into the national media are virtually guaranteed to have a leftwing spin. Leftwing political journalists are themselves provided sinecures in the form of university professorships, while politically left journals are often underwritten by university presses. Leftist journalism schools provide a steady stream of cadre to the nation’s media institutions. Campus funds available for political activities are inequitably distributed to student groups with leftwing agendas. (The ratio is normally in the neighborhood of 50-1.) These fees underwrite an army of radical speakers and agitators who operate nationally, while skewing the politics of the campus strongly to the left. Among its other effects is the spread of political hypocrisy. The same people who demand campaign finance reform in national politics enjoy the benefits of a system in which students are taxed to provide funds almost exclusively to one side of the political debate.

How has this monopoly of the academic campus come about? To begin with universities are feudal institutions whose organizational structures are hierarchical and collegial and thus closed to scrutiny and oversight. The dean at the aforesaid journalism school who agreed that a faculty without conservatives was antithetic to the idea of a university confessed that there was absolutely nothing he could do to alter the situation. Faculty hiring is controlled by senior members of the faculty itself, at the departmental level. Unless bound by greater scruples, they can hire – and do hire -- only people who agree with them and share their prejudices. Outside the hard sciences, there is no bottom line for bad ideas or discredited perspectives. Ideological prejudice is a self-perpetuating phenomenon.

That is why sociological flat-earthists -- Marxists, socialists, post-modernists and other intellectual radicals -- whose ideas of how societies work have been discredited by historical events can still dominate their academic fields. In the Sixties and Seventies centrist liberals controlled academic faculties. Because they were committed to pluralistic values, they opened the door to Marxists and other political ideologues. But as soon as the ideologues reached a critical mass on these faculties, they closed the doors behind them. The feudal hierarchies of the university made it relatively easy to create the closed system that is evident today.

Now it is virtually impossible for a vocal conservative to be hired for a tenure-track position on a faculty anywhere, or to receive tenure if so hired. The conservative faculty members I encounter who have achieved this feat, invariably tell me that they were forced to keep their political orientation to themselves until they achieved tenure. Alternatively, they were hired and tenured twenty years ago before the left secured its grip on the hiring process.

On the other hand, the blacklist really begins with the politicization of the undergraduate classroom (also a post—Sixties phenomenon) and the systematic political harassment of conservative students by their radical professors. The chief effect of this harassment is to discourage conservatives from pursuing academic careers. Leftist professors think nothing of intruding their political passions into the classroom in a manner that is inappropriate and abusive, and an unprofessional attempt to politically indoctrinate their charges. Professorial remarks denigrating conservative ideas and personalities – often in the most inappropriate context imaginable – powerfully convey the message that conservative ideas are unacceptable in the academic community. While reading lists are stripped of conservative texts, professorial expectations are defined as agreement with the ideology and political biases of the instructor. Grades often (but not always) are employed to make the bias stick.

In the informal interviews I conducted at the universities I visited, I talked with students who had been called "fascists" by their own professors (in one case for inviting Fox TV host Oliver North to campus). At the University of Oregon a student was labeled a "neo-Nazi" in class for expressing the view that former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott had been the victim of a political double standards. At the University of Richmond I encountered a student whose Spanish Language professor referred to the President as a "moron" in the classroom. At each of these venues I generally get to interview a dozen or more conservative students personally. I ask them whether they have been subjected to this kind of classroom abuse. Invariably the majority have. Far from being aggressive themselves, these students who come to my events in suits and ties, have a scrubbed, honor scout look and it is I who have to point out to them that they have been abused and should think about protesting the abuse.

Leftist professors think nothing of posting anti-Bush, or anti-Israel cartoons on their offices where students come for consultation and guidance; or of recruiting students to political demonstrations, or leading on campus political protests themselves, or voting in an academic context – as at UCLA – to take extreme positions on divisive issues. What does this communicate to the students in their class who do not share their political views? What adverse impact does this have on the responsibility of teachers to teach all their students and not just those who share their political prejudices?

And yet these outrages have only begun to elicit a remedial reaction from the public at large, and that largely because of the war. This is why I have undertaken the task of organizing conservative students myself and urging them to protest a situation that has become intolerable. I encourage them to use the language that the left has deployed so effectively in behalf of its own agendas. Radical professors have created a "hostile learning environment for conservative students. There is a lack of "intellectual diversity" on college faculties and in academic classrooms. The conservative viewpoint is "under-represented" in the curriculum and on its reading lists. The university should be an "inclusive" and intellectually "diverse" community.

I have encouraged students to demand that their schools adopt an "academic bill of rights" that stresses intellectual diversity, that demands balance in their reading lists, that recognizes that political partisanship by professors in the classroom is an abuse of students’ academic freedom, that the inequity in funding of student organizations and visiting speakers is unacceptable, and that a learning environment hostile to conservatives is unacceptable.

In my visits to college campuses I have found that conservative students respond to this message enthusiastically and that even liberal students are concerned when it is brought up. Fairness, equity and inclusion are American values, and will be supported by the American public whenever they are at issue. In my campus campaign I have begun to receive the kind of responses to these agendas that give me hope for the future.

My visit to the University of Missouri in Columbia is a case in point. Before I even arrived, the students informed me that a leftist biology professor named Miriam Golomb was offering her students credits to come and protest my speech. The normal bias on these occasions is that leftist professors provide students academic credits for attending leftist speeches, but withhold the same privilege from conservative speakers (and will even encourage boycotts of conservative speakers). Since there are virtually only leftist professors, this cuts down the audience for conservative speakers and creates the impression that there is something wrong with conservatives generally. They are "controversial," "extreme," "irrational" and worse.

One of Professor Golomb’s students asked if she would provide credit for attending my speech. Golomb replied, "No, why would I, since I don’t like what he has to say? He’s a racist." Then Professor Golomb had a second thought, "But I will give you twice as many credits if you go to protest." Golomb, who is white, then went to the black students association which at Missouri is called the "Legion of Black Collegians" to try to incite the group to protest my appearance. Her appeal backfired and several of the students reported what had happened to their friends among the College Republicans. Professor Golomb also sent an email to students urging them to protest, and a leaflet with my picture was created (my student sources are convinced that Professor Golomb was the creator) calling me "A Real Live Bigot" and accusing me of being "on the payroll of a rightwing foundation."

The immediate impact of this professorial agitation was to cause the university to beef up its security and assign seven armed guards to the event. I was thus transformed into a "controversial" speaker whose very appearance was a public danger. The left-wing college TV station ran promotional ads describing me as "an extreme rightwing conservative" to complete the effect.

As soon as I arrived in Columbia, I had the students take me to the university office of the Vice Chancellor of Administrative Affairs. I expressed my outrage at being slandered by Professor Golomb and wondered whether this treatment of a visiting speaker was appropriate to an institution that billed itself as one dedicated to the "higher learning." I pointed out that I was a nationally known and respected commentator, that my views were representative of at least half the political population, and that I had been a civil rights activist for fifty years. I said I would like an apology from Professor Golomb and a university statement deploring her actions.

These actions were harmful to the principle of academic freedom, to the free exchange of ideas and to the educational mission of the university. How could students feel free to express themselves in such an atmosphere? I was the ostensible target of these attacks, but the real victims would be the students who invited me. I would only be at the university a couple of hours. But the stigma the professor’s slander imprinted on this event would stay with the students throughout their college careers. They would be known as students who had invited a racist to campus, however false and malicious that accusation might be. The Vice Chancellor listened sympathetically to what I had to say and blandished me with typical bureaucratic assurances. I did not get the impression that any action would be taken. Since I was only there for a few hours, I was forced to content myself with having made the point and I urged the students who accompanied me to carry on the effort to see that something more was done.

My speech was delivered two hours later in the business school theater. When I walked into the room, it was packed to the rafters with 500 people who gave me a standing, cheering ovation. (It is my distinct impression that since the war began conservatives have become bolder in displaying their emotions.) I was introduced by the faculty adviser of the College Republicans, Richard Hardy. He waved the obscene attack leaflet and began to describe what Professor Golomb had done. It turned out that she herself was in the audience, and rose – according to her own account later -- to protest his "misrepresentation." According to this account, she said she had not offered the credits to her students to protest the event, but to attend it. This version was contradicted by her own students, but in any case neither Professor Hardy nor I were able to hear what she saying above the din from the audience. Professor Hardy thought she was apologizing for the slander and asked me if I accepted it. I said I did.

When I walked to the podium to speak, the audience again rose to its feet and gave me a second ovation (a third would come at the conclusion of the talk). I began by describing who I was -- how I had marched on my first civil rights demonstration for American blacks in 1948 when I was nine years old, and had continued my efforts for civil rights ever since. To put flesh on this statement, I told them how the previous week I had gone to San Diego to receive an award from an organization called Operation Hope, headed by a charismatic black leader named John Bryant. Bryant had formed Operation Hope in 1992, in the wake of the Los Angeles riots. Since then he had brought tens of millions of dollars in investments and loans into five inner cities, helped hundreds of poor black and Hispanic families to purchase their own homes and taught economic literacy skills to more than 100,000 inner city residents. I have been working with John Bryant since 1996, and the award recognized my efforts in behalf of Operation Hope. I have raised half a million dollars for the organization and have opened doors for John in Republican Washington after his Democratic patrons were turned out of office. As a result of these efforts John Bryant was welcomed at the Bush White House, where he extended an invitation to the President to come to South Central Los Angeles. The event took place on the 10th Anniversary of the Los Angles riots, and the President was given a warm welcome by community activists at an event hosted by John Bryant and Operation Hope.

In the past, I had been reticent to talk about these efforts, but Professor Golomb’s "protest" prompted me to break my silence. I wanted the students who invited me to have ammunition to defend themselves and those attending to see just how malicious the attacks on us were. After establishing my credentials, I launched into the opening set piece of every speech I give on college campuses. I said, "You can’t get a good education, if they’re only telling you half the story. Even if you’re paying $8,000 a year" (the tuition at Missouri). I talked about the longest, most successful blacklist ever conducted in America. I talked about the "political harassment" of conservative students, the creation of a "hostile learning environment," and the need to get representation for "under-represented viewpoints," on their campus. I talked about the need for "intellectual diversity."

I then related these observations to the war in Iraq. I talked about the role of the leftwing university role in undermining American self-respect and self-confidence at a time when the nation was facing enemies who were deadly. I showed them another way to look at American history using the history of black Americans as an example. I pointed out that slavery had existed and been accepted for thousands of years in black Africa and in every society until the end of the 18th Century when dead white Christian males in England and the United States concluded for the first time in human history that slavery was immoral and should be abolished. I reminded them how a white slave-owner named Thomas Jefferson put into the founding document of this nation the revolutionary idea that all men are created equal and how within a generation as a direct result of the efforts of England and America slavery had been abolished in the Western world.

I said that the proper way look at America is not just that it shared in the crimes of all nations, but – more importantly -- that it became the pioneer of human equality and freedom for all nations; that as a result of America’s efforts to realize the ideals of equality and freedom, blacks in America are now the freest and richest black people anywhere on the face of the earth including all of the nations that are ruled by blacks. I pointed out that our Islamo-fascist enemies are supporters of slavery in Libya and the Sudan, and of tyranny and oppression everywhere; that we are in a civil war which pits the forces of freedom led by the United States against the forces of social darkness and oppression who rallied to the defense of the regime in Iraq. I pointed out that it was important for them to learn to be proud of their country, because if they were not proud of their country they could not defend themselves.

This was the end of my speech and resulted in another ovation. The response – particularly after the attacks -- was immensely rewarding. But my greatest gratification came afterwards, as the conservative students were taking me back to my hotel. One of them had a roommate who was a member of the Legion of Black Collegians and who had attended my talk. As a black student in a leftwing educational system that extended back to the very first grade, she was the most focused target and most vulnerable victim of the left’s campaign of slander against America’s heritage, and thus against her heritage as an African American. What this black student told her roommate when my speech was concluded was how much she had learned by coming to the event. "Everything I have been told all my life," she said, "has been a lie."

5 posted on 10/27/2003 11:58:26 AM PST by Lost Highway (There's no stopping the cretins from hoppin.)
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To: Lost Highway
>>>>>>>>>"You can’t get a good education, if they’re only telling you half the story --- even if you’re paying $30,000 a year."

Excellent thinking. You've made a powerful point, in a concise, yet non-threatening manner. Well spoken.
6 posted on 10/27/2003 12:02:03 PM PST by .cnI redruM (I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
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To: .cnI redruM
In that sense, it is hard to say if conservatives are really a minority at Dartmouth, she said.

Commie intellectualism

7 posted on 10/27/2003 12:03:40 PM PST by Porterville (American First, Human being Second; liberal your derivative lifestyle will never be normalized.)
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To: .cnI redruM
I wish I could take credit for it but it's an article By David Horowitz. I got the link to his site but somehow missed his name.
8 posted on 10/27/2003 12:05:50 PM PST by Lost Highway (There's no stopping the cretins from hoppin.)
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To: Lost Highway
On the other hand, the blacklist really begins with the politicization of the undergraduate classroom (also a post—Sixties phenomenon) and the systematic political harassment of conservative students by their radical professors

That is why we got to take it back. The communist used the Gramschi idea of infiltration into the institutions and induce decay from within.. What the communist didn't count on is that Americans won't let these ideas stand... because we are more zealous about our freedoms then they are about communism.

9 posted on 10/27/2003 12:08:36 PM PST by Porterville (American First, Human being Second; liberal your derivative lifestyle will never be normalized.)
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To: Porterville
I'm not so sure that freedom loving Americans are more zealous in their beliefs than hard core communists.
I have found that way too many ordinary anti-communist Americans are too busy ENJOYING those aforementioned freedoms to really be that vigilant in protecting these freedoms against enemies foreign and domestic.
Communists,on the other hand,make communism their ENTIRE life and consider our comforts and prosperity as "bourgois indulgence".They live for their politics while most everyday Americans see politics as something to do every two or four years.
10 posted on 10/27/2003 12:16:46 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Maelstrom
I don't think you could call Picasso, et al, conservative.
11 posted on 10/27/2003 12:22:18 PM PST by expatpat
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To: .cnI redruM
Undoubtedly liberal arts department faculties are very liberal, but these type of articles never seem to present any statistics on the proportion of qualified conservative candidates who are seeking to join university faculties. How many conservatives really want to have a career as a university professor in a non-technical and non-business field? How much does self-selection play a role?
12 posted on 10/27/2003 12:25:49 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Porterville
I think we need to examine the fear that has gripped the intellectuals on the campus. I think a good starting point is with Eric Hoffer's book:

The Ordeal of Change by Eric Hoffer copyright 1952 (out of print)

"The baffling response we hear does not originate in the people we try to help but in a group of self-appointed spokesmen and mediators who stand between us and the mass of the people. This group is made up of university teachers and students, writers, artists, and intellectuals in general. It is these articulate people who are the source of the rabid anti-Americanism which has been manifesting itself in many countries since the end of the second World War. One cannot escape the impression that there is a natural antagonism between these "men of words" and twentieth century America. It is not the quality of our policies which offends them but our very existence. The intellectuals everywhere see America as a threat. Their petulant faultfinding is the expression of an almost instinctive fear, and it is of vital importance that we should understand the nature of this fear."
13 posted on 10/27/2003 12:28:21 PM PST by RunningJoke
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To: .cnI redruM
Heh. To sum it up: Collages, being accused of liberal bias, poll themselves and find none.
14 posted on 10/27/2003 12:35:18 PM PST by rottweiller_inc
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To: expatpat
Picasso wasn't the normal philosophical bent of professors at the time.
15 posted on 10/27/2003 12:53:15 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: rottweiller_inc
Yep. It's like a Presidential election in Cuba.
16 posted on 10/27/2003 12:55:02 PM PST by .cnI redruM (I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
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But Hart did allow for some exceptions. "A good conservative will get promoted."

Yeah, right. He'll be promoted to others as the "token Nazi".

17 posted on 10/27/2003 1:01:30 PM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: Maelstrom
All Liberal arts were overwhelmingly conservative 60 years ago

I went to college in the '50s. It wasn't true on the West Coast. But there was a real diversity of opinion.

18 posted on 10/27/2003 1:02:51 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: theDentist
Tokanism is a religious fetish with tie-died-in-the-Grateful-Dead T-shirt Lefties.
19 posted on 10/27/2003 1:07:42 PM PST by .cnI redruM (I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
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To: Maelstrom
Ah, you were talking about teachers, not artists. "Those that can, do; those that can't....
20 posted on 10/27/2003 1:07:57 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Rodney King
A few months ago, I posted something on a law librarian listserv asking if there were any groups or individuals interested in arranging opposition to the American Libraries Association (there is one guy on their board of directors who is literally a member of the communist party). You wouldn't believe the load of crap I received from some people who claimed they were "moderates" and "middle of the road", and couldn't believe I would try to organize against a communist. It was classic.
21 posted on 10/27/2003 1:11:56 PM PST by LanPB01
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To: wideminded
Undoubtedly liberal arts department faculties are very liberal, but these type of articles never seem to present any statistics on the proportion of qualified conservative candidates who are seeking to join university faculties.

Yeah, I bet the Gender Studies, Black Studies and Multicultural Studies departments just have hords of conservatives trying to find rich rewarding careers.

22 posted on 10/27/2003 1:12:29 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: liberallarry
Yes...and just before the 50's, conservative professors had at the time, a hammerlock on tenured positions in every academic area.

They decided at that time that liberal viewpoints would bring a welcome diversity of ideas and had accomplished that feat by the time you went to college.

In the 60's, the conservative professors had been weeded out by attrition and discrimination of new professors by liberals in a gradual manner.

By the 80's, the transformation was complete and liberals held almost every tenured position and chairmanship in all liberal arts.

In the 90's, they began to make headway into the hard sciences. The hard sciences are harder to win over for liberals for obvious reasons. Today, conservative professors in the hard sciences absolutely MUST exercise a significant degree of self-censorship of their conservative ideas or face a review board.
23 posted on 10/27/2003 1:12:45 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: .cnI redruM
As a conservative-leaning individual who took a degree in Philosophy, I maintain that the problem is rooted in the popular triumph, in all areas of inquiry, of the entire modernist project, beginning with the influence of the "enlightenment" and its subsequent "scientistic" materialism that has become the religion of our age. However, rather than leading to a new era of rationality,as has been touted by modernist afficionados, this trend has resulted in the creation of a new paganism revealing a horrible irrationality. Consider the bloody consequences of atheism, dialectical materialism, relativism, nihilism, existentialism, deconstructionism, and so on. Consider the negative social effects of our flight from reality through our denial of any notion of universal truth, which leads to the destruction of any sense of ethical responsibility, rampant criminality, sexual perversity, abortion, euthanasia, and so on.

Yet, it would appear that the people, as a whole, have no problem with these trends and developments, when you witness the manner in which the perpetrators of the greatest evils are held high as models of emulation. Given this, I see no reason to be sanguine about our future.
24 posted on 10/27/2003 2:01:50 PM PST by vanmorrison
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To: Maelstrom
You're right, it was the New Deal "Brains Trusters" who helped to turn the faculties to the hard-core left.
25 posted on 10/27/2003 2:43:04 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Lost Highway
Tulane Law School – one of the institutions I visited this spring -- has not a single Republican or conservative faculty member

For what it's worth, I graduated and became more conservative as a result of the leftist slant at TLS. There actually is one Republican faculty member a tax prof who is about 80 years old.

What I find interesting is that there has been a total lack of institutional support for alum Bill Pryor who was nominated to the 13th Circuit Court of Appeals by President Bush.

26 posted on 10/27/2003 2:49:26 PM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: bigeasy_70118
Newt Gingrich got his Ph.D. from Tulane, but he was not in the law school. Hiring committees are overwhelmingly liberal in all "higher education" institutions.
27 posted on 10/27/2003 3:01:38 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: vanmorrison
As a student offered a place within the Philosophy Department on the basis of a single class, I insist that the problem is rooted in popular aversion to reality.

"Enlightened Self-interest" was never a debunked philosophy, it was rejected without merit on the basis of what are now known to be failed concepts.

Rooted at the heart of "Enlightened Self-interest" is *NOT* education, albeit this helps. At the heart of "Enlightened self-interest" is the fundamental concept of Justice as an enforcement mechanism for Trust.

From that fundamental concept flows moral capitalism, the family unit, and a cohesive society.
28 posted on 10/27/2003 3:46:20 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: .cnI redruM; theDentist
You're both wrong. She meant this literally. Good conservatives DEFINITELY get promoted at college campuses.

Don't forget, however, that to liberals, the only good conservative is a dead one.
29 posted on 10/27/2003 4:48:56 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The scariest nine words in the English Language: We're from the government. We're here to help you.)
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To: Maelstrom
Is it really that bad?

I've been out of touch with the academic world for a long time and am continually surprised by reports of its current condition.

I also wonder how to correctly factor in age. When I was young most professors seemed smart. Now most don't. I don't think that's because they're dumber than they used to be...but I've heard fairly good arguments that they might be.

30 posted on 10/27/2003 6:22:42 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Lost Highway
I wish I could take credit for it but it's an article By David Horowitz.

Horowitz did a study of UC Berkeley and found only 7% of the faculty was registered Republician.

31 posted on 10/27/2003 6:35:14 PM PST by tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
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To: Lost Highway
Very fine. Very, very fine.

I'm used to the fascist stuff in the street but am surprised to hear that it's coin of the realm in colleges across the nation.

I wonder though if you might be exagerating. I have a friend whose daughter is exceptionally bright and attends UC Berkeley. She seems to have a good grasp on conservative views and is able to discuss them intelligently and without cant.

32 posted on 10/27/2003 6:45:14 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: .cnI redruM
I think the liberal bias in academia is more prevalent on the coasts. In the heartland, where I've spent my career in academia, there are many more conservative professors, and most liberals respect alternative views. I have a number of friends who are liberals. I think they are amused by my positions, to some degree, they admire my candor and integrity to some degree, and wish they had my backbone, to some degree.

It is possible to make a career for oneself in academia as a conservative, even in the humanities, but one has to be intelligent, work extra hard and put up with some hypocricy and double standards.

Oddly enough, I find that the people who are more often the targets of radical animus are not the conservatives, but moderates. They're not liberal enough for the radicals, so they really get it. There is much pressure to conform in those circles. (I think Thomas Sowell, Justice Thomas, and Ward Connerly know what I'm talking about. Not that they're moderates, but, because they're black, they're supposed to tow the line . . . or else. Same thing for liberals.) Conservatives are generally too dangerous to tangle with. They actually know how to argue, are generally "well armed," and one tends to come away from a conflagration with an intelligent conservative looking foolish.

This, of course, can lead to retaliatory strikes behind closed doors (in tenure and promotion committee meetings,) but there aren't enough faculty willing to get politically vicious, in my experience, to successfully blackball someone for their views (unless those views are held unintelligently).

My impression, after 10 years in academia, is that the lefties are in positions of power at present, but there is a cadre of young [mostly gen-Xers, who came of age in the Reagan years] climbing the ranks at present. Once the lefties die off and/or retire, we'll take over and clean up the mess they've left behind (like we conservatives always do!).

As for faculty in the professions, engineering, and medicine . . . mostly conservative. They can't afford to be relativists.


BTW, liberal arts education is NOT about educating people to hold liberal/progressive views. It is educating for liberty. Click here for a good reflection on the meaning of liberal arts education.

33 posted on 10/27/2003 7:02:32 PM PST by TPartyType
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To: Maelstrom
As time passes, I find I am better able to appreciate the genius of Giambattista Vico, who, in his "New Science", outlines the manner in which societies evolve and devolve through history. Vico was a severe critic of the "Enlightenment" and its vanity. He presciently predicts that a society that evolves from a naive paganism to a high culture will begin to degenerate to an even lower cruel,ugly, and cynical new paganism that is unchecked by any moral or ethical considerations, since these sensibilities, once having been established by a high culture, are then rejected as meaningless and passe. I believe we are witnessing this entropic phenomenon in our own present degenerate society. Like Rome of old, I have seen the people of this country twice elect a repugnant monster, then excuse his abominations in a manner unseen since the days of Caligula.

And the most disgusting aspect of this catastrophe was to see the intellectual class, particularly the professoriat, twist themselves into pretzels to apologize and rationalize the criminality, perversity, and depravity of their own special representative, the "Rhodes Scholar" from Little Rock who didn't know the meaning of "is".
34 posted on 10/27/2003 7:17:30 PM PST by vanmorrison
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To: TPartyType
When I went to college I had three glorious professors - Linus Pauling, Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann. Pauling was liberal and no one to tangle with as HUAC discovered. Feynman was truly a-political. And Gell-Mann was one mean sucker. I never knew his politics. I don't think much has changed in the sciences.
35 posted on 10/27/2003 7:20:47 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: vanmorrison
Rome saw some of its most glorious days after Caligula and many, including Gibbon, would disagree with the analysis you offer.
36 posted on 10/27/2003 7:24:37 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: tubebender
FWIW, I think Horowitz is a radical. He's now a conservative radical, but a radical nonetheless. In many ways, I hold "conservative radical" to be an oxymoron. True conservatives eschew radical methods and are not ideologues. Horowitz believes in fighting fire with fire. I believe doing so sullies us.

So, for example, the DC Chapter trying to go "toe-to-toe" with A.N.S.W.E.R. doesn't impress me much. There's something awkward and pathetic about conservatives doing street theatre of the absurd and trying to beat 60's radicals at their own game. Then we wet ourselves when FR gets a mention in a wire story, or some air on C-Span. Big deal.

Don't get me wrong; I appreciate the work they do, trying to balance the liberal voices in the nation's capital. But one needs to be careful about the methods one employs, lest we become too much like "them." I don't doubt their motives, it's their methods I question. The ends do not justify the means. There are certain methods that conservatives should avoid because we believe in taking the high moral ground, and we believe in reasoned discourse and decorum. We should strive to elevate the marketplace of ideas.

That is to say nothing of the time they devote to being on the streets week after week. Commendable, you say? Don't they have families, I ask? Horowitz cheers on, (eggs on, actually,) people who may eventually develop a need to be out on the streets, waving banners, grabbing headlines and picking fights with left-wingers. I suspect that sort of activism is addictive.

I don't honestly value picking fights with irrational types. I don't think countering the people who make a living grabbing headlines in Washington, DC is a healthy lifestyle, over the long haul. Most real people look at those misfits and clowns and shake their heads as just keep on walkin'. They're buffoons. And we will be viewed in the same light, eventually, if we become too much like them.

In my mind, conservatives have to role model for each generation what it means to be "fit for liberty." Here's a link to a reflection on what it means to be fit for liberty (based on Federalist #1).

37 posted on 10/27/2003 7:32:44 PM PST by TPartyType
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To: liberallarry
HUAC?
38 posted on 10/27/2003 7:34:44 PM PST by TPartyType
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To: liberallarry
Gibbon was an "enlightened" idiot. He considered the advent of Christianity as a problem that marked the end of the (pagan) glory of Rome. Further proof of his idiocy is that he admired the murderous Moslems. I think Burkhardt had a better handle on the history of Rome, viewing the rise of Constantine and the establishment of Christian society as the saviour and renewal of a degenerate civilization.
39 posted on 10/27/2003 7:35:40 PM PST by vanmorrison
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To: TPartyType
I think so. Either that or that Senate counterpart. It's been a long time - 50 years or more.
40 posted on 10/27/2003 7:37:24 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: vanmorrison
That's what he thought. He was not an idiot. He just disagreed with you and your fundamental beliefs. The Muslims of his day were not the murderous, frustrated losers of our day. And it is undeniable that Roman glory in the time of Trajan and and his immediate predecessors and successors was unsurpassed. So analogies made by comparing Caligula to Clinton are not only vastly overblown but utterly worthless.
41 posted on 10/27/2003 7:46:37 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Oh, House Un-American Activities Committee. Right.
42 posted on 10/27/2003 7:49:23 PM PST by TPartyType
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To: vanmorrison
Burkhardt was not an idiot either and there's something to what he says as well. Rome nearly perished in the third century under the barbarian onslaught and its own internal contradictions (I don't think you can attribute the loss at Adrianople to degeneracy, any more than you can attribute the loss of 3 legions to the Germans 3 centuries earlier to such a cause). Christianity definitely offered hope to many who otherwise had none.
43 posted on 10/27/2003 7:54:09 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: .cnI redruM
Academic definitions: Liberal=Maoist, Conservative=Trotskyite.
44 posted on 10/27/2003 7:55:37 PM PST by 91B (Golly it's hot.)
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To: TPartyType
I agree with you about Horowitz. But I wonder about your characterization of the proper role for conservatives. Weren't the founding fathers - of all political persuasions - active proselytizers, propagandists, and street-fighters?
45 posted on 10/27/2003 8:01:27 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: .cnI redruM
Yes, because we are a liberal arts institution, and liberal arts education is supposed to produce 'liberal' attitudes that encourage forward thinking ideas about inclusion, equality and innovation."

Oh please, this elitist supercillious attitude is both tiresome and wrong headed. There is no relationship between liberal thought and the leftist politics of the universities. Traditional liberalism is dead, the closest group to the classic liberals are the neo-cons. What we have in the universities are the neo-coms (neo-communists).

46 posted on 10/27/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
Yes, that person is an elitist pig. Eight buzzwords and zero intelligent ideas per sentence.
47 posted on 10/27/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by .cnI redruM (I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
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To: ProudIndependent
>>>>>"they're predisposed to take relativist views"

That's the elegant way to announce your prostitution to the world.
49 posted on 10/27/2003 8:18:10 PM PST by .cnI redruM (I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
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To: liberallarry
The era of the Roman Empire was always bloody and vicious. It was so under the Claudians, the Antonines, under Trajan, Diocletian, and even Aurelius. Only Constantine saved it from complete dissolution. Burkhardt recognized this. Gibbon couldn't bring himself to this conclusion. He was enamored of the "Enlightenment", which attempted to discredit any recognition of Christian virtue.

And the Moslems were always murderous, too. These people have been slaughtering Jews and Christians with bloody abandon ever since Mohammed rode his camel out of the desert 1600 years ago and began butchering women and children, young and old alike. You know, just like these creatures continue to do today.
50 posted on 10/27/2003 8:19:42 PM PST by vanmorrison
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