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Continuation for Request of Intervention on behalf of Terri Schiavo
Children of God for Life ^ | 10-27-03 | Debra L. Vinnedge

Posted on 10/27/2003 1:57:30 PM PST by cpforlife.org


Date:    October 27, 2003

To:       Attorney General John Ashcroft
           
Delegate Bob Marshall

Ref:      Continuation for Request of Intervention on behalf of Terri Schiavo (October 21st) 

As in previous letters dated October 21st, 22nd and 23rd, this letter serves as our request for urgent action on behalf of Terri Schiavo by Federal officials.  We are asking for:

An immediate criminal investigation of Michael Schiavo, Judge George Greer and the Federally funded Woodside Hospice Center in Pinellas Park Fl, all who have grossly violated Terri Schiavo’s rights under both State and Federal statutes.

We further request an immediate intervention to provide protective custody and care for Terri Schiavo.

Please see attached statements which overwhelmingly substantiate the need for urgent action on your part.

Sincerely,

Debra L. Vinnedge

Cc:       Robert & Mary Schindler, Robert Schindler Jr., Suzanne Carr (family)
            Dr. Jay Carpenter, Dr. William Hammesfahr, Jana Carpenter, RN, Eleanor Dreschel, RN, Msgr. Thaddeus Malanowski

Attachment Pages 1-4


Criminal Investigation of Michael Schiavo

1) Nurses’ testimony: Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson have been ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified that Michael was abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

2) Michael Baden, top forensic pathologist in country and interviewed on Fox News National Television broadcast October 25, 2003 on Terri’s bone scan and injuries states that:

            a) Terri’s injuries are not consistent with a heart attack; no cardiac evidence to support it
           
b) Extremely rare for potassium imbalance on woman her age and in her good health
           
c) Injuries are consistent with severe trauma possibly caused by a beating
            d) The injuries in medical records warrant an immediate investigation

3) Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist testified that Terri’s neck injuries are consistent with only one type of injury: that of strangulation.

4) Terri’s doctor, Dr. Gambone resigned; he had previously testified Terri would die within a few days of starvation/dehydration.  Terri has an obvious will to live.

5) Michael has enlisted the services of a new doctor, Stanton Tripodis, who has 5 malpractice suits against him.  Clearly, Michael is attempting to provide sub-standard care for his wife.

            Case no. 97007946C1 filed 11-25-97
            Case no. 94003739C1 filed
6-27-94
           
Case no. 95000873C1 filed
2-14-95
           
Case no. 96001434C1 filed
3-6-96
           
Case no. 98002289C1 filed
4-7-98

6) Michael is committing adultery by living with another woman who has already born one child with another on the way, thereby creating an obvious conflict of interest as guardian.

7) Michael has committed both perjury (2 counts) and insurance fraud by promising to provide care and therapy for his wife in exchange for the court award of 1.2 million dollars in 1993.  No care has ever been provided to Terri.

8) Michael Schiavo has also prevented Terri from undergoing a barium swallow test, a procedure necessary to ascertain the consistency of foods able to be taken by mouth.

9) Co-conspirator George J. Felos combined and conspired with Michael Schiavo to arrange for Terri's "free" stay at Hospice Woodside as part of an "exit protocol" designed to advance Felos' self-perceived messianic mission of "helping" incapacitated people to die by categorizing them as "terminal," warehousing them, and depriving them of therapy and rehabilitation services. (Attorney Felos is Director of Florida Right to Die and has testified that he can ascertain a person’s desire to die by “looking into their eyes and letting their spirit speak directly to him”)

10) Investigate Insurance company established in Jan 2001 at the home of Michael Schiavo and his girlfriend/fiancee Jody Centonze. (Jerger and Centonze Insurnace Agency Inc.) Michael is listed on the Board of Directors for the corporation.  Note: Insurance is deliberately misspelled in the State of Florida Corporate filing, possibly to avoid investigation.

11) Michael continues to deny Terri the right to receive Holy Communion as part of her Catholic and civil right.

Criminal Investigation of Greer for Prejudice and Judicial Misconduct

1) Refusal to hear credible testimony

Judge Greer refused to acknowledge testimony of 10 doctors and 3 nurses who have cared for Terri and who testify that:

            a) Terri is not in a persistive vegetative state

            b) Terri is able to be rehabilitated with care and therapy

c) Terri’s original injuries are questionable and consistent with spouse abuse and attempted strangulation

d) Terri has been abused and neglected by her husband; denied treatment for infection and possible attempted murder while in nursing home care (discovery of empty insulin vial and temperature in room set at 64 degrees)

Jude Greer instead chose to believe contrary testimony by two of Michael’s representatives who are:

a) A doctor who rarely sees Terri  (Dr. Gambone who has now resigned as Terri’s doctor)

b) Ronald Cranford, Hannipeg County Medical Center , Minnesota who makes an avocation of testifying in cases such as Terri's throughout the country, always on the side of dehydration and starvation.

Example of testimony ignored:
Dr. Alexander T. Gimon, Clinical Neuro-psychologist, presents evidence that Terri Schiavo does indeed have cognitive function and should receive therapy: "Given the neglect which Terri has suffered...it is striking that her current cognitive functioning is as strong and varied in expression as it is. This indicates that sufficient brain structure exists for further cognitive and behavioral progress to be made. Terri is an excellent subject for a variety of cognitive treatment protocols designed to improve her neurological function, including neuroaerobics, physical therapy, recreational/occupational therapy, and speech-language therapy."

2) Judicial Canon violation – motion to dismiss Greer

a) Greer revealed information about the case, predisposition as to how he would rule, merits of the case, testimony he had received to local reporters without counsel present.

b)Judge Greer advised Tampa Atty General office that if Gov Bush was a lawyer, his letter to the judge would be a grievous offense under Fl Bar rules; statements made without counsel present.

c) Motion to Disqualify Judge Greer filed on Fri. Sept 5th at which time Judge Greer contacted Deputy Atty General John Carassas and Sheriff Rice in an attempt to attack the factual basis of the motion and affidavits.

3) Conflict of Interest and Prejudice

Judge George Greer is not impartial. He has worked side by side as county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county commissioner) for eight years. Barbara Sheen Todd is on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of Martha Lenderman, also on the hospice board. Greer accepted as the basis of his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael Schiavo that Terri would wish to be killed, yet Michael never stated this until he had received the 1.2 million dollar settlement. Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the "opinion" of a third doctor who is the brother of a close associate of George Felos, right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former Chairman of the hospice board.

4) Denial of Guardian appointment to Ensure Medical Care

Judge Greer refused to allow a non-biased guardian to be appointed for Terri’s care, despite numerous citations of the violation of Terri’s rights under State and Federal Law for disabled persons, including assignment of guardian as a requirement under Fl Law, Section 744.  Moreover, in the state court proceedings initiated by defendant Michael Schiavo, Terri Schiavo, a severely disabled individual, had no guardian ad litem and no lawyer for the majority of the proceedings. Attorney Pearse who was assigned by the court in 1998 was dismissed from the case by the state court on motion by Michael Schiavo’s attorney George J. Felos.

5) ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND EXPLOITATION OF ELDERLY PERSONS AND DISABLED ADULTS

"... 825.103 Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.--

(1) "Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

(a) Knowingly, by deception or intimidation, obtaining or using, or endeavoring to obtain or use, an elderly person's or disabled adult's funds, assets, or property with the intent to temporarily or permanently deprive the elderly person or disabled adult of the use, benefit, or possession of the funds, assets, or property, or to benefit someone other than the elderly person or disabled adult, by a person who:[Felos and Greer need to be investigated by the State of Florida and the US Attorney General.]

1. Stands in a position of trust and confidence with the elderly person or disabled adult; or

2. Has a business relationship with the elderly person or disabled adult; or

(b) Obtaining or using, endeavoring to obtain or use, or conspiring with another to obtain or use an elderly person's or disabled adult's funds, assets, or property with the intent to temporarily or permanently deprive the elderly person or disabled adult of the use, benefit, or possession of the funds, assets, or property, or to benefit someone other than the elderly person or disabled adult, by a person who knows or reasonably should know that the elderly person or disabled adult lacks the capacity to consent.

(2)(a) If the funds, assets, or property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. [Terri's fund reportedly only has $50,000 left. Felos himself has admitted receiving $500,000 to assist in killing Terri.]

(b) If the funds, assets, or property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at $20,000 or more, but less than $100,000, the offender commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c) If the funds, assets, or property involved in the exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult is valued at less than $20,000, the offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 4, ch. 95-158; s. 5, ch. 96-322; s. 1, ch. 97-78.

Criminal Investigation of Hospice On the Following Counts:

1) Conflict of interest; violation of federal policy: Mary Laybak, CEO of Woodside Hospice has direct ties to Euthanasia Society of America and Hemlock for Hospice, an organization that seeks to accelerate the dying process.  Federal funds may not be used for these purposes (see below)

2) Hospice is a federally funded program designed for terminally ill and those whose death is eminent.  Terri has been in Hospice illegally for three years under Medicaid payments.

3) US Dept of Health and Human Services is currently trying to collect  $14.8 million from Florida Suncoast Hospice, owed to them since 1997. 

4) Hospice is accused of patient brokering and several lawsuits filed by Attorney Jonathan Alpert are pending.

5) Violation of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, 29 U.S.C. §794, prohibits discrimination against an "otherwise qualified" handicapped individual, solely by reason of his or her handicap, under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. Hospitals and hospices that accept Medicare and Medicaid funding are subject to the Act...." Hospice Woodside is subject to the Act because it receives federal funding.

6) The Americans With Disabilities Act (A.D.A.), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 et seq., provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United States of America.

Moreover, the pertinent federal regulations for implementation of the A.D.A. specifically provide that "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that individual." (cf. 28 C.F.R. Ch. 1, Subpart B, Section 35.130) The failure and refusal of defendant Michael Schiavo, acting under the color of state law, to furnish Theresa Marie Schiavo with necessary and appropriate speech and motor skills therapy, rehabilitation services, and the basic essential medical services, and his demand that she be deprived of food and water, violate her rights under the A.D.A. and constitute unlawful discrimination against her because of her disability.

7) Under Federal Statute TITLE 42  CHAPTER 138 Sec. 14402. Sec. 14402. - Restriction on use of Federal funds under health care programs

(a) Restriction on Federal funding of health care services

 

Subject to subsection (b) of this section, no funds appropriated by Congress for the purpose of paying (directly or indirectly) for the provision of health care services may be used -

(1) to provide any health care item or service furnished for the purpose of causing, or for the purpose of assisting in causing, the death of any individual, such as by assisted suicide, euthanasia, or mercy killing;

 

Nothing in subsection (a) of this section, or in any other provision of this chapter (or in any amendment made by this chapter), shall be construed to apply to or to affect any limitation relating to -

(1) the withholding or withdrawing of medical treatment or medical care;

(2) the withholding or withdrawing of nutrition or hydration;

(3) abortion; or

(4) the use of an item, good, benefit, or service furnished for the purpose of alleviating pain or discomfort, even if such use may increase the risk of death, so long as such item, good, benefit, or service is not also furnished for the purpose of causing, or the purpose of assisting in causing, death, for any reason.


October 23, 2003

To:       Delegate Bob Marshall
           
Attorney General John Ashcroft

Ref:      Denial of Civil Rights Continues:  Letter 3 
           
In Continuation of complaint sent October 21st on behalf of Terri Schiavo

Oct 22nd (AM)
Upon arrival at
Morton Plant Hospital , where Terri was brought under the Governor’s order for ambulatory care, Michael Schiavo mandated the hospital to block all information on the patient and any visits to Terri’s parents, her siblings and their family priest have been denied.

3:15pm
Morton Plant Hospital Nurse, Melanie MacAuliffe refuses to acknowledge Terri is a patient at the hospital to attorneys for the family.  Attorneys filed an emergency motion to restore visitation at once.

5:15pm
Michael’s attorney Debra Bushnell faxed a letter to the parents’ attorney, Pat Anderson authorizing the family visits. The family priest, Msgr. Malanowski was not included in their letter and was still barred from visiting Terri.

6:30
When the family arrived to visit Terri, they discovered she had been moved to “an undisclosed location”.  The family was not notified she would be moved, nor were they told where she would be taken and no medical information as to the status of Terri’s health was provided.

Wed Night (time of arrival unknown)
Terri was returned to hospice and her feeding tube was reinserted.  Terri is still being refused the right to receive Holy Communion as part of her Catholic Rite.

Mr. Ashcroft, it is clear that Mr. Schiavo and his attorney have absolute disregard for the best interests of Terri Schiavo.  After starving her for 7 days with no food or water, she has now once again been prematurely released from the hospital. On August 14th of this year, Terri was admitted to the hospital with pneumonia and three days later, Michael ordered her to be released. She would spend the next two weeks in and out of the hospital due to the instruction of Michael to have her sent back to hospice, despite her fever and obvious labored breathing from a collapsed lung. 

Michael Schiavo has attempted to further her debilitation and weaken her condition and must be immediately removed from any guardianship concerning her medical care and therapy.  He has continued to spit in the face of Governor Bush, the Fl Senate and House with no regard for the care that Terri was awarded by the courts.  

The court today ordered a guardian ad litem to be assigned for litigation only and this will not provide the relief and protection regarding medical and therapeutic care that Terri is entitled to as a disabled American, under both Federal and Florida law.  We ask for your immediate intercession to remove Terri from her husband’s care.

 Sincerely,

 Debra L. Vinnedge  

CC:    Robert & Mary Schindler, Robert Schindler Jr., Suzanne Carr (family)Dr. Jay Carpenter, Dr. William             Hammesfahr, Jana Carpenter, RN, Eleanor Dreschel, RN, Msgr. Thaddeus Malanowski


October 22, 2003

To:       Delegate Bob Marshall
   
         Attorney General John Ashcroft

Ref:      Continued Denial of Civil Rights – Terri Schiavo

October 21st
A Catholic miraculous medal of the Blessed Virgin Mary that had been blessed by Pope John Paul II was brought to Terri Schiavo to be placed on her person, bedside or where she could visibly see it in her room at Woodside Hospice.  However, the medal could not be given to her because in fact, all religious holy cards of various saints and various Catholic artifacts had been removed from her room and thrown away.  We were fore-warned that if the medal was placed anywhere in her room or on her body it would be thrown away.

October 21st 5:00PM    
The Executive Order signed by Governor Bush to immediately begin hydration and nutrition was received at Hospice by both fax transmission and official delivery.  Hospice refused to reinsert the feeding tube, claiming there was no medical personnel to do so, despite the fact that they were the ones who removed it on October 15th.  They promised to transfer Terri to a local hospital as quickly as possible.

In addition, two medical doctors had been summoned to Hospice and were denied entrance to perform the procedure as indicated by Governor Jeb Bush.  They were also denied access to observe the patient and her condition.

6:30PM
An ambulance arrived to take Terri to Morton
Plant Hospital in Clearwater.  Upon arrival at the hospital, medical staff refused to comply with the Governor’s order to re-insert her feeding tube or an IV, stating they had been threatened with litigation by Michael Schiavo’s attorneys if any medical care was given to Terri.  At approximately 9:30PM an IV was inserted.

Michael Schiavo has denied visitation at the hospital to all members of Terri’s family.

A request for immediate appointment of a guardian ad litem to protect Terri’s medical interests and physical well being was denied by Judge David A. Demers.

In light of the fact that the court order to provide therapy for Terri Schiavo under the malpractice settlement has been denied by the husband; that he has access to Terri and can cause her harm and that he clearly does not represent her best interests, we request immediate intervention to:

1) Appoint a guardian ad litem to protect Terri Schiavo’s interests and ensure she is given proper medical treatment.

2) Open an immediate criminal investigation which has never been conducted in this case.

3) Block the cremation of Terri’s body should death ensue, so that evidence is not destroyed.

4) Restore the rights of visitation and access to the family.

Sincerely,

Debra L. Vinnedge


Date:     October 21, 2003

To:        Attorney General John Aschcroft

 

On Behalf of Theresa Maria Schiavo - Violation of Civil Rights Against the Handicapped

 

We the undersigned family, friends and medical caregivers of Theresa (Terri) Maria Schiavo request an immediate investigation and emergency intervention to stop her starvation dehydration death due to the following violations of her civil rights under the US Constitution:

 

Denial of Civil Rights by Michael Schiavo, husband:

 

By court order in a malpractice suit filed by Michael Schiavo in 1993, $700,000.00 of the settlement was to be used exclusively for Theresa’s rehabilitation.  To date, no rehabilitation, medical or physical therapy has ever been provided to Terri.

 

Upon receipt of the award in 1993 medical records were ordered sealed by Michael Schiavo.  Ten years later these records were unsealed and would reveal massive injury and a history of possible domestic violence and abuse.

 

While under nursing home and hospice care, Michael Schiavo ordered no physical therapy, oral feeding or treatment for Terri. He further directed that Terri only be sustained in a nursing home which is contrary to the intent of the award money.  Michael Schiavo has on two occasions unsuccessfully attempted to end Terri’s life by instructing her caretakers not to medicate Terri for potentially fatal infections, the first of which occurred less than nine months after receiving the malpractice award money.

As Terri’s legal guardian, her husband has used her medical fund money to offset the legal costs when his guardianship of Terri was initially challenged and to pay the current legal costs to have Terri’s life ended.

May 1, 2000 A Court hearing was cancelled after Michael Schiavo verbally committed to sign an agreement that Terri will get the necessary medical treatment at Hospice.

June 18, 2000 – After reneging on his previously agreed terms of the agreement, Michael Schiavo later signed an amended agreement stating he will not withdraw or terminate Terri's medical care or treatment for potential fatal infections, without prior notice to the court.

 

Denial of Civil Rights by Judge Greer:

 

February 2000 – Judge Greer condemns Terri to death by dehydration/starvation without any clear and convincing evidence as required by statute.  There is no written living directive.

 

March 2000 – Sworn affidavits provided to the court by three physicians that Terri is able to eat.  Judge Greer denies a petition to the court to perform swallowing tests on Terri, part of her court-ordered therapy. 

 

Judge Greer further authorized personal security personnel costs for Michael Schiavo to be taken from Terri’s medical fund.

 

May 7, 2001 – Dr. Hammesfahr (neurology), filed a six page affidavit with the court stating Terri was not in a Persistent Vegetative State, accompanied by a formal letter requesting Schiavo’s permission to allow Terri to begin rehabilitation treatment; request denied.

 

September 26, 2001 A three-member panel consisting of Judges Jerry Parker, Chris Altenbernd and John Blue presided at the Appellate Court "oral argument hearing." The core of the appeal is that Judge Greer did not follow the Appellate Court's July 11, 2001 instructions. Judge Greer admitted he ignored the doctors’ sworn opinions and summarily rejected additional evidence that unmistakably proved Michael Schiavo lied to the court at the original trial.

NOTE: NO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION HAS EVER BEEN CONDUCTED IN THIS CASE AND ATTEMPTS TO DEMAND SUCH INVESTIGATION HAVE BEEN SUMMARILY DENIED AND BLOCKED UNDER COURT ORDER OF JUDGE GREER. IMMEDIATE CREMATION OF THE BODY WILL OCCUR UPON HER DEATH, THUS DESTROYING ALL CRIMINAL EVIDENCE.

 

Denial of Civil Rights by Michael Schiavo’s appointed physicians:

 

There is no court order to deny Terri Schiavo oral feeding.  This was put in place by Michael Schiavo’s appointed doctors, in direct violation of the previous court orders to provide therapy and rehabilitation for Terri.

 

Denial of Civil Rights by Pinellas Park Police, Michael Schiavo and his attorneys:

On October 15th at 2:00PM Terri’s feeding tube was removed.  Although the court does not deny the right to provide oral hydration or feeding, the doctor’s orders to hospice are to prohibit any type of oral feeding.

 

On October 18th, 19th and 20th Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski was refused the right to administer Holy Communion to Terri as part of her Catholic Last Rites.  This order was expressed directly by Michael Schiavo, his attorneys and the local police guarding Terri’s room who told the priest they would “stop him if he attempted to give her Holy Communion.”

 

It is a criminal violation to abuse, neglect or exploit a disabled person, all of which have been perpetrated on Terri Schaivo and we petition your immediate intervention and investigation.

 

 

Presented by:    Debra L. Vinnedge

                        Mary and Bob Schindler

                        Robert Schindler, JR

                        Suzanne Carr

                        William Hammesfahr, MD

                        J.D. Young, MD

                        James Eckart, MD

                        Jay Carpenter, MD

                        Eleanor Dreschel, RN, MS

                        Jana Carpenter, RN, MS

                        Msgr. Thaddeus Malanowsk

 

STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PINELLAS
Filed this 21st Day of October, 2003  


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To: TheAngryClam
Findings of fact are reviewed under a clearly erroneous standard, and judicial decisions either on a de novo (really low) or abuse of discretion standard.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but for a finding of fact to be thrown out by an appeals court without a remand, it must be contradicted by 100% of the available evidence; if it's only contradicted by 99.44% of the evidence and there's 0.56% that supports it, an appeals court will respect the trial court's judgement regardless of whether or not any reasonable person would agree with it.

151 posted on 10/27/2003 7:55:37 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: UCANSEE2
He declared that he loved her, still does.
152 posted on 10/27/2003 7:55:44 PM PST by lakey
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To: TheAngryClam
And Mark Furman (sp) who cracked the Kennedy golf club murder
153 posted on 10/27/2003 7:56:05 PM PST by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: MHGinTN
Again, this brings up the question of why this wasn't pursued by her parents at the time of her injury. Then, after being taken to the emergency ward, her case was mishandled, leading to the lawsuit which is where the money came from.

I would venture that there was too much going on when Terri collapsed(daughter possibly never to recover, hospital screws up, lawsuit to enter into, etc.) for them to spare time to pursue a possible case against Michael. They may not have have any of the information from the EMT's, etc. that you are talking about. So they may have been suspicious, but no clues were available.

154 posted on 10/27/2003 7:57:02 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: TheAngryClam
How could that possibly be? Recusal only applies if there was an open, vested interest. A privately held, unstated (ideological) vested interest, on the other hand....
155 posted on 10/27/2003 7:59:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: lakey
The first info I had gathered stated that Michael didn't come up with the 'she said to pull the plug if something ever happened', after he made his first visit to Felos.

Felos saw DOLLAR SIGNS and opportunity to set a precedent(IMO).

Michael may have let himself be led on by Felos, especially with his extramarital concerns constantly weighing his mind, and his religious convictions not allowing him an out. God will be his judge. The rest of us need to walk in his shoes first before attempting to judge.

156 posted on 10/27/2003 8:02:14 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Curious how the judge could have believed Michael and Felos - they come off on tv as crooked. Oh, yes, I forgot the judge is crooked.

Michael said Bobby had not visited for years. I tend to doubt that. Besides when barred by Michael, did Bobby visit?
157 posted on 10/27/2003 8:02:30 PM PST by yesnettv (We need to decide to save Terri's life. I did.)
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To: UCANSEE2
What I have wondered is why her brother, who stated that Terri told him she was thinking of divorce, wasn't suspicious at the time he says Michael called him over.
158 posted on 10/27/2003 8:02:56 PM PST by lakey
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If you're upset that there's a judge's ideology deciding cases, you should probably sit down for what I'm about to tell you:

Ready? That's how every judge works.
159 posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:36 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: lakey
" One of which was that Michael took Terri to California for a month, with a nurse, for experimental electrical tests on her brain ."

Add electro shock torture to the abuse Michael has done to Terri.

160 posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:39 PM PST by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: lakey
I would think Bobby's first thoughts would be about saving Terri, and only that.
161 posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:46 PM PST by yesnettv (We need to decide to save Terri's life. I did.)
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To: lakey
The Greer appointed examiner of Terri (when five specialists were allowed to examine and present their findings to Greer's court and Greer chose the two chosen by Michael and Felos and the court appointed one who is connected to Felos through the euthanasia movement) spent twenty minutes with Terri and had the session video taped. It was that examiner who passed the Mickey Mouse balloon above Terri's head and commanded her to close her eye, then later to open them. She followed every one of the examiner's commands, so the segment on tape was of the actual exam, not snippets chosen from 4 1/2 hours meant to mischaracterize her actual responses.
162 posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: yesnettv
MS barred Terri's brother because he would bring chocolate pudding to her and he got caught.
163 posted on 10/27/2003 8:05:58 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TheAngryClam
You ignore the fact that the Judge may have allowed greed to overcome his sense of the law. There are such things as corrupt judges, child-molesting priests, and corrupt politicians, or had you forgotten?

And you still haven't answered any questions.

164 posted on 10/27/2003 8:06:01 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: yesnettv

This interview is a PR DISASTER for Schiavo.

His POS lawyer is using him to get publicity for his book, and now the entire nation knows his client is a psychotic left wing male nurse with a death fetish who is afraid to take a lie detector test and won't let independent cameras into her room.

I'd be surprised if the Florida Supreme court even takes this case


165 posted on 10/27/2003 8:06:59 PM PST by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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To: bvw
Subtle, very subtle. Just brought it right to the line, but didn't step over. I've always liked that about you.
166 posted on 10/27/2003 8:07:25 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: TheAngryClam
So clearly you can see how Greer could have run way off the rails of objectivity, and nobody could stop him, so long as there was nothing to prove he had ties to something that would create a bias.
167 posted on 10/27/2003 8:08:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: UCANSEE2
Oh, I'm not so against judging people. A lot of criminals would be free if we didn't judge them as cancers on society.

I don't know for a fact that Michael committed adultry prior to Terri's collaspe.

However, I do believe Felos had conflict of interests. He's an attorney.

But everything must be proved.

168 posted on 10/27/2003 8:11:33 PM PST by lakey
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Judges are essentially omnipotent like that.

Which is why every lawyer, whether they admit it or not, aspires to the federal bench- you OWN everyone that walks into your courtroom.
169 posted on 10/27/2003 8:11:44 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: UCANSEE2
BINGO...

"One of which was that Michael took Terri to California for a month, with a nurse, for experimental electrical tests on her brain . Was it experimental? From what I remember, Michael didn't allow the parents to be party to that experiment nor the results. And, Michael's comment that the first doctors would have seen fractures (bone breaks cause bruising, ya know) is all too true, & is a question many of us have asked from the first time we heard of the fractures.

Elecric shock "therapy" will cause massive muscular contortions even with a restricted patient often leading to BRUISING, BONE BREAKS FRACTURES ETC.

No wonder it took a month...one day of "experimental brain electro shock treatment" followed by 29 days to get her bones back in place.

Also why he wants her dead.....

170 posted on 10/27/2003 8:12:45 PM PST by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: Normally a Lurker
But, as all objective people here have observed, your crowd will never let the facts get in their way.

And,despite all the evidence to the contrary, pro-starvation folks consider Mike to be a knight in shining armor, who only wants to fight for Terri's wishes,

Do you think Mike'll undergo a lie detector test, like Larry King suggested he do?

171 posted on 10/27/2003 8:12:47 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: Rome2000
Well, the FLangaroos and the GOP have this little feud going back some years, you know. But with public fury this hot, and the fact they do run for re-election, maybe they will decline this hot potato. I would, however, expect to see Felos to shoot for the SCOTUS even if that happens.
172 posted on 10/27/2003 8:15:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: TheAngryClam
But you do see, now, how the court could crank out virtual trash, and nobody stop it. If the judge has it in for angry clams, but never tells anyone about it, then you don't want to be in his courtroom for a traffic ticket.
173 posted on 10/27/2003 8:18:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: TheAngryClam
If the judge has it in for angry clams, but "even though he" never tells anyone about it,
174 posted on 10/27/2003 8:19:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: jimkress; cpforlife.org
>>>Have any investigations begun?

yes
175 posted on 10/27/2003 8:22:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Right, but you're missing the flip side: that the attorneys for the Schindlers can make up just as much crazy stuff as Felos and Greer do.

And they did- these nutbar accusations of Michael Schiavo assaulting her didn't begin until a few years ago, rather than at the beginning of the whole thing.

And honestly, if my inlaws were acting like them, I'd do everything to make their lives miserable as well, especially stuff like barring them from seeing their daughter.
176 posted on 10/27/2003 8:22:55 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
That's the way I understood it too. I remember one of the doctors saying her heart was strong and healthy -- in fact, it probably got her through her recent ordeal. Can't put my finger on the reference, but I do remember the point being stated with authority.

But then, I've never seen a shred of evidence that she had a heart attack. (If that was it, why did Michael order Terri's medical records sealed?) Nor does it make any sense to posit the heart attack theory (very rare) when far more likely and obvious theories are available. The first and most common explanation is spousal violence, and the known facts -- choke marks and anoxia, broken bones -- support that theory perfectly.

If I have any facts wrong, please correct me.

177 posted on 10/27/2003 8:24:31 PM PST by T'wit
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To: spokeshave
I'm not sure what kind of electric shock it was, though Michael said it was experimental. Whether this caused her fractures is something that can be checked out.
178 posted on 10/27/2003 8:25:33 PM PST by lakey
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To: Mo1; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Need help with MS interview on Larry King

From Debi:

I took notes through the whole show...what do you think of the following? Did I miss anything important? Share with FR and tell them I need input from them too....
God bless,
Debi
Couple of points on Larry King Live:
1) When Terri first collapsed, Michael claims he worked late that night ... got home 2:00AM, at 4:30 he awoke to hear a thump and went out to find Terri collapsed in the hall and called 911.
FACT:
Michael did not call 911. He called Terri's father who called 911.

2) Michael claims the "falling out" with Terri's parents occurred on 2-14-03 and it was because the Schindlers wanted Terri's money.
FACT:
The "falling out" occurred because Michael was not providing therapy as promised in the court award. Terri's parents questioned if they provided the care, would the money from the settlement be used to help them out financially - which Michael refused to do.

3) Michael claimed he has provided therapy for Terri after she collapsed. I still need to get the facts on this Bob - but I do know that the care at Bayfront medical and the trip he made with Terri to California was done under the original insurance on Terri - not as part of the therapy he promised to provide for the rest of her life to the courts in 1993.
FACT:
Michael has NEVER provided any therapy after he received the settlement.

4) Michael claimed repeatedly he was following Terri's wishes
FACT:
Michael never mentioned Terri had ANY wishes about witholding medical treatment until AFTER he received the award money from the court in 1993. Subsequently, he began to withold all treatment for Terri - including antibiotics for a UTI (urinary tract infection) and by posting a DNR on her medical charts.

5) Michael claimed that the nurse who testified had a grudge against him because he was so adamant about caring for Terri and he admits he was hard on the nurses.
FACT:
Michael only flew into rages whenever anyone tried to care for Terri properly. (see affadavits from all nurses)

6) Michael claimed that the head nurse who cared for Terri for 4 years never saw any response and that Terri made the same "noises" of response when no one was in the room.
FACT:
How can anyone hear what is said when no one is in the room? In addition, the nurses caring for Terri, her parents and Msgr. Malanowski ALL said Terri responds. Shall we believe Michael or a priest???

7) Michael blamed the parents insistence on letting Terri live on the Right to Life right wing advocates filling their heads
FACT:
The "right wing activists for RTL" never got involved in this case until 2000 - yet Terri's parents have fought for guardianship and Terri's life since 1993. (I can personally testify to this as one of those "right wingers"!)

8) Michael claims 3 swallowing tests were done
FACT:
The barium swallowing test needed to ascertain if Terri can swallow foods has NEVER been done.

9) Michael claimed that 19 judges agreed with them and that the US Supreme Court also agreed with their testimony.
FACT:
This case has been passed from judge to judge to appelate to the Fl Supreme Court back to judge after judge on jurisdiction - not merits of the case. In addition the US Supreme Court refused to hear it - they never agreed with Schiavo.

10) Michael and Felos claimed doctor after doctor testified on their behalf that there is no hope for Terri and she is PVS.
FACT:
13 medical professionals on Terri's behalf (10 doctors, 3 nurses) testified to completely opposite opinions - none of which Judge Greer would hear.

11) One caller asked Michael if he really loved his wife and wanted to respect her wish to die, why didn't he move her to another state where the laws are more liberal, like Oregon, since he is the legal guardian.
RESPONSE:
Michael stumbled furiously and stated that he didn't know if the law would let him.

12) Michael stated that removing the feeding tube would be painless death.
FACT:
Medical experts, including David Stephens, Executive Director of the Christian Medical Association vehemently disagreed and described Terri's death as a slow, painful process.

13) Michael claimed he did the same thing to his own parents...
NO RESPONSE...we are shocked.

14) In viewing the video of Terri, Michael claims this is reflex action, Terri is brain dead, the video was edited down to just pertinent clips...
FACT/RESPONSE:
CNN Larry King then asked if they could go in and film Terri? Response..."You can view the videos we have."... Questioned again..."Could CNN come in there and do their own video to see what is going on? Answer: "NO - IT WOULD VIOLATE HER PRIVACY."

15) CNN asked if Michael would take a lie detector test...Michael said he would have to decline answering that.

Keep this info handy...Michael lied through his teeth!
179 posted on 10/27/2003 8:26:04 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: TheAngryClam
Please read what Dr. Michael Baden had to say about this - a highly respected pathologist with his own HBO documentary.
Not a chance of a heart attack - she was admitted to the hospital with broken bones, rigid neck, etc. Most likely battered almost to death.
180 posted on 10/27/2003 8:31:03 PM PST by Katwalk
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To: TheAngryClam
There is a lot of spite involved in this battle, to be sure. But I just tend to think it's more on the Schiavo than the Schindler side. Schiavo could make the trouble go away so easily by cutting a transfer of guardianship agreement with the Schindlers by which they would promise to hold him harmless for anything he'd done in the past, and he keeps the money (and maybe even gets the pro-life ransom). Instead he just seems to want to snuff Terri out like a candle. If I were talking to Mike I would say, "you know Mike, I know you hate the Schindlers' guts more than anything on earth, but they won't treat Terri any worse than you have; make it easy on yourself and cut bait."
181 posted on 10/27/2003 8:32:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: yesnettv
Of course you are right about what his first thoughts would have been. Still, though, it wouldn't have been too long afterwards that he would suspect Michael had hurt her. I would hope he told his parents & they would have gone to the police for an investigation, don't you think?
182 posted on 10/27/2003 8:32:26 PM PST by lakey
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To: TheAngryClam
And they did- these nutbar accusations of Michael Schiavo assaulting her didn't begin until a few years ago, rather than at the beginning of the whole thing.

My understanding is that they didn't have access to any medical records that would even suggest such a thing until after the statute of limitations for any 1990 crimes had already lapsed.

183 posted on 10/27/2003 8:33:57 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: cpforlife.org
Well, I am confused again on this point: Did Schiavo or did he not starve and dehydrate both of his parents too? If so, did his brother and sister-in-law, who also said Terri would not want to live "with tubes," concur with the starvation and dehydration?

Notice, that Schiavo also went out of his way to say that he is "pro-choice."
184 posted on 10/27/2003 8:35:07 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: lakey
They are trying to get SYMPATHY for themselves. CAN"T YOU SEE THAT?

Mike supposedly was hiding out in fear last week and folks saw him out shopping in a high-end shopping center.

OH, please.... the ONLY death threat is to TERRI from that wack job lawyer and her adulterous hubby!

185 posted on 10/27/2003 8:38:24 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: TheAngryClam
If I were talking to Mike I would say, "you know Mike, I know you hate the Schindlers' guts more than anything on earth, but they won't treat Terri any worse than you have; make it easy on yourself and cut bait."

I even bet that Jim Rob would be willing to nuke all the Terri threads for him if he agreed to that... :-)

186 posted on 10/27/2003 8:40:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Katwalk
Where is the initial hospital report that she had broken bones? Her limbs began to contort, which could produce fractures. Michael said that Terri was unconscious for 30 days, "then opened her eyes."

Dr. Baden could be in "it" for money & recognition, too. HBO documentary, indeed. I hope he shows proof.

With that, I'm going to bed.

187 posted on 10/27/2003 8:40:46 PM PST by lakey
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To: cpforlife.org
Regarding #11 coming to Oregon. Don't even think about it Micheal because one PO'ed Angry Woman lives here. Don't even ponder it.
188 posted on 10/27/2003 8:43:10 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: syriacus
>> Felos says that after watching the movie "A Miracle at Fatima" Terri casually said to Mike," No religious medals for me!!" [/sarcasm]

:-)

I suggested an affidavit for Terri today, but I missed that detail. Let's redo it. Since her detractors all insist that she has the right to choose her own fate, all she needs to do is dictate and sign an affidavit, and have it notarized. This should be fine:

"I, Terri Schindler-Schiavo, being over 18 years of age, wish to die horribly by dehydration and have my body burned. About that sacred medallion blessed by the Pope -- sell it and reimburse Michael for the insulin ampules. And, oh yes, when I am receiving the last rites of the Holy Church, be sure to remind the police officers to threaten my aged, saintly priest with arrest if he dares to give me the communion host."

[/sarcasm] [even though it rings so true to life to some ears]

189 posted on 10/27/2003 8:44:06 PM PST by T'wit
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To: HiTech RedNeck
LOL - I'm sure he would nuke them. He doesn't allow conspiracy theories on other subjects, why this?
190 posted on 10/27/2003 8:44:31 PM PST by lakey
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To: cpforlife.org
I also noticed an inconsistency-

Michael says it's all about money and that he and Bob got into a fight because Bob wanted the money for himself- Then why did Michael later in the show say that the Schindler's offered to buy him off for 700,000? Why would they pay him if they were only in this for money? LIE LIE LIE

Anyways, Michael, if you're reading this: I'll double it. I'll pawn the fillings in my teeth and give you my income till I die- JUST LEAVE TERRI ALONE!

191 posted on 10/27/2003 8:44:53 PM PST by FreepinforTerri
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To: UCANSEE2
>>>>not much of a wordsmith, either

You need to retract that statement. You are doing VERY WELL with your words.

BUMP!
192 posted on 10/27/2003 8:45:01 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Theodore R.
Notice, that Schiavo also went out of his way to say that he is "pro-choice."

Chilling how that works on both ends of the life spectrum. It started with being pro-choice for the mothers vis a vis the lives of their unborn (or half-born) babies; now we have pro-choice for the guardians vis a vis the lives of the incapacitated (with the absence of a living will being no great barrier if someone can convincingly recount a passing statement the decedent-to-be made about not wanting "artificial" life support).

193 posted on 10/27/2003 8:46:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: lakey
Maybe a compromise: send them to the smokey backroom.....
194 posted on 10/27/2003 8:48:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: TheAngryClam; lakey; Normally a Lurker

TheAngryClam, lakey, Normally a Lurker

195 posted on 10/27/2003 8:48:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Rome2000
As I understand, if the George W. Greer "court" strikes down "Terri's Law" and the appeals court or the Supreme Court of FL will not hear appeals, then Greer's original order would stand, and Terri's Law will be invalidated by the very judge who ordered Terri starved and dehydrated. One appointed (and confirmed by voters) judge can thwart the will of the governor AND the legislature in FL.
196 posted on 10/27/2003 8:54:10 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
If that happens, I think we will see 50,000 Floridians storm the Florida House crying "impeach! impeach!"
197 posted on 10/27/2003 9:00:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yes, and that particular Judge should be impeached and not just for TERRI!
198 posted on 10/27/2003 9:02:20 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: zip
ping
199 posted on 10/27/2003 9:05:18 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: Lion in Winter
I fully agree that Felos is a "whak job lawyer." And, yes, Michael wants sympathy. But some of the things he said tonight can be checked, & he knows "right wingers" are on him. So, if he lied in citing "facts," he'll need all the help he can get.

Let me get this straight right now, in case somebody decides to accuse me (again) of wanting Terri dead, I do not agree with euthanasia, though I can understand why some people may take that route.

A court taking hearsay as evidence to permit this kind of death is, to me, unconscionable.

200 posted on 10/27/2003 9:05:44 PM PST by lakey
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