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Posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:56 PM PST by chance33_98

Reverend says people misinterpret Bible's view on gays

Jennifer Ross | Staff Reporter October 27, 2003

People read the Bible as the absolute truth, but they pick and choose words, phrases and sentences for support, a speaker said Sunday night at the Student Center.

Frank Gorman was the first speaker for Spectrum's People Respecting Our Unique Differences Week.

Gorman, professor of religious studies at Bethany College, discussed what the Bible says about homosexuality. He discussed possible interpretations and misinterpretations.

The church can support or discriminate against gays, lesbians and bisexuals, Gorman said.

"I feel very strongly about the church's role in hate-mongering on this issue," he said. "As an ordained minister, I take that seriously. I'm here as a friend of the people."

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1 posted on 10/27/2003 8:03:56 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: LiteKeeper
Ping
2 posted on 10/27/2003 8:04:56 PM PST by chance33_98 (Check out my Updated Profile Page (and see banners at end, if you want one made let me know!))
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To: chance33_98
Reverend says people misinterpret Bible's view on gays

DN PHOTO / JEFF FURTICELLA

FRANK GORMAN spoke at Cardinal Hall Sunday night on how the Bible deals with issues of homosexuality.

Jennifer Ross | Staff Reporter

October 27, 2003

People read the Bible as the absolute truth, but they pick and choose words, phrases and sentences for support, a speaker said Sunday night at the Student Center.

Frank Gorman was the first speaker for Spectrum's People Respecting Our Unique Differences Week.

Gorman, professor of religious studies at Bethany College, discussed what the Bible says about homosexuality. He discussed possible interpretations and misinterpretations.

The church can support or discriminate against gays, lesbians and bisexuals, Gorman said.

"I feel very strongly about the church's role in hate-mongering on this issue," he said. "As an ordained minister, I take that seriously. I'm here as a friend of the people."

Ill feelings come from misinterpretations of the Bible and its history, Gorman said.

When fragments or verses are taken from the Bible, their meanings can be taken out of context, he said.

Gorman cited Leviticus 17-26, known as the Holiness Codes, as examples of popularly misused passages.

According to Gorman, the codes were used as a guide for the people of Israel. Codes were impurity rules defining the difference between clean and unclean.

One code describes how the Canannites were defilers of the land and sexually perverse, Gorman said.

"We make people bad and we immediately relate it to sex," Gorman said. "We think they must have a sexual problem ... we're too focused on sex."

For instance, the story of the men of Sodom reflects violence and power instead of sexual appetite, Gorman said.

In Genesis 19:5-11, a mob of men asked "to know" the visiting male outsider, Gorman said. When the mob's request is refused, they rape a woman all night. Gorman interpreted the phrase "to know" as "to have sex."

"This is about violence and rape," Gorman said. "This is about violence being used to put someone down. I find this disgusting. It's all about power. If you want to really understand sex and power, then go to prison."

However, Gorman said everyone, including Christians, have the right to their own interpretation of the Bible.

He encouraged students to read and to question the Bible.

"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said. "I don't think it can provide me with the right answers. It provides me with the right questions."

Gorman's personal admission caused murmuring in the audience.

"He surprised me. He doesn't believe the Bible is the absolute truth. To me, what's the point of being a minister, if you do not believe it is the absolute truth," junior Jeremy Kinney said.

In today's society, believers need to be understanding and interpret the Bible with a contemporary context, Gorman said.

"Religion affects acts of Congress and many other things. It is unfortunate that the teachings of Christ are misused. If I was a Christian, I would be upset that my religion was being used as hate," Spectrum internal vice president Anthony Amstutz said.

3 posted on 10/27/2003 8:11:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free.)
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To: ahadams2
Bible misinterpreter ping.
4 posted on 10/27/2003 8:12:18 PM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
Gorman cited Leviticus 17-26, known as the Holiness Codes, as examples of popularly misused passages. According to Gorman, the codes were used as a guide for the people of Israel. Codes were impurity rules defining the difference between clean and unclean.

Homosexual sex is pretty darned unclean. This would indicate that God actually had some concern for the people's health.

Sounds pretty loving to me.

5 posted on 10/27/2003 8:15:54 PM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: chance33_98
If you want to know madness, make the acquaintance of psychiatrists and psychologists. If you want to know heresy, listen to a theology instructor.
6 posted on 10/27/2003 8:24:59 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said. "I don't think it can provide me with the right answers. It provides me with the right questions."

Well, this language makes misinterpretation easy. Hmmmmm. The Bible certainly raises question, was Jesus the Son of God. But the Bible gives Gorman no guidance about the correct answer? Then what's the point?

7 posted on 10/27/2003 8:26:10 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: goodnesswins
So let me get this straight.... If I think someone is immoral and question why they want superior rights to me, then I am a "hatemonger" and should therefore be silenced...(anyone actually believe Hate Crime laws provide 'equal protection under the law"? Why is it a social crime to question NAMBLA, but it is their ACLU-given right to rape boys? And does anyone not see that SOME in the "politically correct" communities want much more than equality?...we're all equal, but some are more equal than others)

On the other hand, my beliefs can be skewered, disembowled, lampooned, God and people who follow His teachings victims of prejudice and forced to accept what they cannot...... and this is "enlightenment" and "tolerance"????

Just checking if this is so.
8 posted on 10/27/2003 8:29:19 PM PST by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: goodnesswins
""He surprised me. He doesn't believe the Bible is the absolute truth. To me, what's the point of being a minister, if you do not believe it is the absolute truth," junior Jeremy Kinney said."

bingo

9 posted on 10/27/2003 8:29:39 PM PST by El Cid
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To: goodnesswins
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said.

The good reverend says...

10 posted on 10/27/2003 8:30:06 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: PFKEY
What box of cracker jacks did this quack get his ministers license from.

Sure sounds like a humanist to me.
11 posted on 10/27/2003 8:33:21 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Could be self-declared.

I'm made of cheese....
12 posted on 10/27/2003 8:38:21 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: chance33_98
"Ordained" by whom? Certainly not an evangelical Christian church!
13 posted on 10/27/2003 8:42:31 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: chance33_98; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Ping!
14 posted on 10/27/2003 8:42:40 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: chance33_98

15 posted on 10/27/2003 8:45:04 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: narses
That his picture? What nice irony in the way he appropriates orthodox iconography as a springboard to trash the iconography of man.
16 posted on 10/27/2003 8:48:16 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: chance33_98
This guy Gorman is what I call a "gobbledygook talker." He says a lot of stuff but it makes no sense.
17 posted on 10/27/2003 8:50:57 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
You are spot on.

Bill Clinton's CDC released figures a few years ago reflecting that fully 85% of all AIDS/HIV cases are

1. Active, non-monogamous homosexuals,
(the largest subset)

2. Heterosexuals and bisexuals who have had sex with group 1 and

3. IV drug abusers who share needles.

(Kinda gives new meaning to Romans 6:23, doesn't it?)

The remaining 15% (the REAL “victims” of AIDS!!) are those who have contracted AIDS via other, non-sexual/non-drug means SUCH AS TRANSFUSIONS OF TAINTED BLOOD (which one homosexual "leader" on the West Coast URGED his fellow homosexuals to CONTINUE to attempt to contaminate in order to involve the straight community in the push to increase federal funding for AIDS research).

What a guy -- er -- GAY!

18 posted on 10/27/2003 8:53:59 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: chance33_98
" I'm here as a friend of the people."

That my friend is the problem. You are Gods rep on earth, he is your client and master. It is only when people put their beliefs before their belief in him do we have problems.
Had you obeyed his word and not read into it what YOU want there would not be the problems we have now. It is the old living breathing bible, constitution, what ever thing.

If they were meant to be changeable they would not have taken year or centuries to put down on paper. There was a reason and it is not ours to decide but to trust and obey.
19 posted on 10/27/2003 8:58:10 PM PST by JSteff
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To: chance33_98
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said."

Then he has nothing worth listening to. The Bible is God's letter to believers.

Gorman should not be reading someone else's mail.

20 posted on 10/27/2003 9:01:55 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: upchuck
This guy Gorman is what I call a "gobbledygook talker." He says a lot of stuff but it makes no sense.

He should be a politician :)

21 posted on 10/27/2003 9:11:40 PM PST by chance33_98 (Check out my Updated Profile Page (and see banners at end, if you want one made let me know!))
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To: ModelBreaker
Well, this language makes misinterpretation easy. Hmmmmm. The Bible certainly raises question, was Jesus the Son of God. But the Bible gives Gorman no guidance about the correct answer? Then what's the point?

Well, there ya go. If the Scriptures have been misinterpreted on gays, there must be a few other things, we can re-think, re-imagine (relapse into paganism), etc,etc....

22 posted on 10/28/2003 6:17:48 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: Dick Bachert
(Kinda gives new meaning to Romans 6:23, doesn't it?)

Good point.

Romans 6:23: 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This is the fact of terrible freedom in rejecting God. These people think they are offering freedom when they twist the Scriptures to their own ends, but they are getting death.

Paul, in the first chapter of Romans, says that evils including sexual perversion is the result of willful apostasy.

Romans 1:28-32: 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. (NASU)

People can spin this if they want but the plain meaning is crystal clear.

23 posted on 10/28/2003 7:36:08 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory; ahadams2; Eala; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; ...
Gross Discussion Warning Ping!
24 posted on 10/28/2003 9:17:04 AM PST by ahadams2 (Anglicanism: the next reformation is beginning NOW)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
This kind of malarkey is why church attendance is dropping. Suddenly, no one wants the Bible to mean what it says. And if you do stand up for it, you are called the worst names. This is why I worship God in my heart and keep private. I no longer have faith in Church.
25 posted on 10/28/2003 9:19:56 AM PST by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
The ultimate expression of moral equvalency...after all, one opening's as good as another....who are we to judge..
26 posted on 10/28/2003 9:22:09 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050
The ultimate expression of moral equvalency...after all, one opening's as good as another....who are we to judge

Something I once heard on the Flintstones: confusion begins when in is used for out and out is used for in!

27 posted on 10/28/2003 9:24:30 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: StoneColdTaxHater
This kind of malarkey is why church attendance is dropping. Suddenly, no one wants the Bible to mean what it says. And if you do stand up for it, you are called the worst names. This is why I worship God in my heart and keep private. I no longer have faith in Church.

It's really only those who have yoked themselves to humanist, utopian doctrines that see attendance drops.

Not all who attend church are that way. There are good and bad elements in all groups of people.

28 posted on 10/28/2003 9:28:09 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Apostates: Nothing to fear better still, nothing to obey)
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To: goodnesswins
Frank Gorman was the first speaker for Spectrum's People Respecting Our Unique Differences Week.

People Respecting Our Unique Differences

P-R-O-U-D?

Anytime a meeting has to proclaim itself as PROUD - buy stock in K-Y jelly.

If you have to beg for RESPECT - you ain't got it!

29 posted on 10/28/2003 9:29:21 AM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: goodnesswins
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said. "I don't think it can provide me with the right answers. It provides me with the right questions."

I suggest Gorman find himself another career.

30 posted on 10/28/2003 9:32:50 AM PST by carton253 (To win the War on Terror, we must, at once, raise the black flag!)
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To: chance33_98
We have done this before:

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable"(Leviticus 7:22).

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may lie with the opposite sex

3 But of the humans of our own sex in the midst of the garden, God hath said, we shall not lie with, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the female was pleasant to the eyes, and to be desired to make one wise, ....

31 posted on 10/28/2003 9:37:09 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: chance33_98
If parents would take note of the name of the school that has hired and continues to pay this demonservant (Bethany!), spittlebreaths like him wouldn't have a sanctuary from which to pervert the Grace of God in Christ. The seminaries are the most corrupt places in corroding Christianity.
32 posted on 10/28/2003 9:40:35 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: A CA Guy
What box of cracker jacks did this quack get his ministers license from.

Many years ago (I think mid-70s) my father, then an Episcopal minister, remarked that there were only two good Episcopal seminaries left.

33 posted on 10/28/2003 9:50:53 AM PST by Eala (FR Trad Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican - Proud member VIOC)
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To: M1Tanker
Just checking if this is so.

I think you've got it. I'm sure you'll go the head of this guy's class - assuming you'd want to get that close to him...

34 posted on 10/28/2003 9:57:20 AM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: goodnesswins
I have a book written in 1976 that debunks his assertions regarding rape. This is the same idiocy Mel White tried to argue in the early '90s without any success. Make no mistake: these idiots are liberal first and Christian, if and only if that fits into their worldly view. Why anyone would listen to a minister that says he doesn't think the Bible is absolute truth is beyond me.
35 posted on 10/28/2003 10:03:05 AM PST by 1L
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To: chance33_98
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said. "I don't think it can provide me with the right answers. It provides me with the right questions."

This only goes to prove that one can even have their dog ordained a minister. He seems to have deliberately skipped a large amount of scripture and hopes everyone else is ignorant of that fact.

God clearly calls homosexuality not only a sin, but added that it is an abomination. "When we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us. If we say we sin not, we call God a liar and He is not in us. Yes, heterosexuals sin, that sin will land them outside of God's kingdom just as fast as homosexuality will. The difference being heterosexuals admit this, homosexuals deny this.

There is a difference between regular sinners and the homosexual sinner and is a symptom regarding their actions. The bible says that the act of homosexuality brings a recompense into their own bodies, that being a seared off conscience. Seared off as with a hot iron.

They become deviant in their thinking, and that is evidenced in their inability to admit their sin offends God, who after all determines what sin is. Man is not able to label an action a sin, other than the most obvious ones. God regards sin as that which causes harm to oneself or others, or separates the person from God and God's plan for man.

Homosexuals reject God's plan for man and have deviated from His plan, this is the abomination. The same abomination as Satan commits, who also rejected God's plan for the angels of heaven. Jude, verse one and on details the actions of these types in the Church, and declares that they are pre-ordained for this condemnation. So while this wolf in sheeps clothing may call himself an "ordained" minister, he is ordained alright, just not the way he supposes he is.

36 posted on 10/28/2003 10:13:40 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Posted on FR a week ago:

Homosexual Advocacy in the Church: Perspective from a Fifth-Generation Episcopalian

37 posted on 10/28/2003 11:46:35 AM PST by Eala (FR Trad Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican - Proud member VIOC)
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To: goodnesswins

So now 'loving and caring' are the new humanist measures of 'family.' But since homosexual sodomy is a form of murder in that it destroys both the soul and the body, where is the 'love' in murder? Where is the 'caring' in suicide?

38 posted on 10/28/2003 11:51:07 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: chance33_98
The statement from this reverend should be taken at its face value. He really does not view the Bible as something akin to a law code, in which there are clear consequences to specific behavior. Rather, he believes that the Bible is open to interpretation and that the mere text of Scripture does not bring forth its own specific interpretation and application in life. I think his point is that the "Bible is Absolute" perspective turns believers into robots, and surely God does not want THAT.

What I would respond to this good reverend is to ask him in what TRADITION within Christianity he intends to live; in what TRADITION within Christianity he intends to interpret Scripture. And then he needs to explain his choice very very carefully and fully. He needs to explain exactly in what thread of Tradition he sees himself. My guess is that he cannot do that; he cannot explain his own intellectual tradition within Christianity; he cannot explain the rationale by which he views the Bible this way and not any other way. This is a man who, unbeknownst to even himself, has fallen into the well of contemporary culture and believes that he is living in God's Green Earth. He believes his perspective is as logical and as plain as can be, but he does not see that he is occupying a position within a well-established intellectual tradition that goes back at least to 17th century France. He is like a man wearing thick eye shades who believes that it's just dark outside.

39 posted on 10/28/2003 11:57:42 AM PST by Remole
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To: JSteff
"I'm here as a friend of the people." That is all well and good for an ordained minister provided he is first a "friend of God" which this guy isn't.

As a "friend of the people," his misguided message is doing far more harm to the people than he can possibly imagine. People need to be confronted on their sinfulness, not provided rationalizations to justify their sinfulness.
Without recognizing their sinfulness, people won't recognize their need for the Gospel.

I'm trying to be respectful, so I won't call this guy a clown. It would be too insulting to the rest of the clowns.
40 posted on 10/28/2003 12:13:55 PM PST by CommerceComet
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To: chance33_98
Christ's teaching: "go and sin no more" not "go and keep on sinning, it's OK"
41 posted on 10/28/2003 12:27:06 PM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Eala
There are only two decent Episcopal Seminaries - Trinity in Pittsburgh and Nashotah House in Wisconsin. In 70's VTS (Vrginia Theological Seminary) would have been OK, but no more.
42 posted on 10/28/2003 12:43:32 PM PST by Credo
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To: Credo
Nashotah House

That's it!! That's one of the two my father mentioned, and the other was not VTS. He went to VTS, but that was in the mid-50s.

43 posted on 10/28/2003 2:19:13 PM PST by Eala (FR Trad Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican - Proud member VIOC)
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To: COBOL2Java
Actually, I don't think this guy wants me, or anyone who disagrees with him, anywhere near him... Tolerance to a "progressive liberal" is a one-way street: They can do whatever they want and WE have to tolerate it.
44 posted on 10/28/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: goodnesswins
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth," Gorman said. "I don't think it can provide me with the right answers. It provides me with the right questions."

Gorman's personal admission caused murmuring in the audience.

This says it all!! Poor man.
45 posted on 10/28/2003 3:36:02 PM PST by sam I am
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To: Eala
There are many good people and Christians, but the authority of the church by all but one version of Christianity was abandoned.
46 posted on 10/28/2003 5:27:29 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: chance33_98
"I don't think the Bible is the absolute truth,"

That's too bad. Methinks God disagrees.

47 posted on 10/28/2003 5:30:11 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: chance33_98
I know that I am going to get flamed on this one but, I think the whole gay issue should just be abandoned IMHO. I mean I think we'd all do ourselves some justice if we maybe applied some of Barry Goldwater's (god rest his soul) conservatism here. If it is not an invasion of your rights to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness; let it go. Let the bashing of me begin.....
48 posted on 10/28/2003 5:33:36 PM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC (....this vast left wing conspiracy, conspiring against my country since the day Bush took office)
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To: chance33_98
Church Lite.® New and Improved!
49 posted on 10/28/2003 5:39:35 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: 1L
They are trying to fit Christianity in the parameters of their "true" religion.
50 posted on 10/28/2003 5:45:24 PM PST by stands2reason
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