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Raid kills 22 Taliban, Al Qaeda: U.S. civilians die in Afghan battle
CNN ^ | 10/28/03 | Jamie McIntyre/Elise Labott

Posted on 10/28/2003 5:30:05 AM PST by Coop

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

KABUL, Afghanistan -- At least 22 fighters from the ousted Taliban regime and al Qaeda network were killed in an aerial assault by U.S.-led forces in southeastern Paktika province, according to Reuters..

Air support was called in on Tuesday after a group of Taliban and al Qaeda fugitives fired rockets and heavy machine-guns on a base used by U.S.-led troops and their Afghan allies in Shkin, near the Pakistan border, on Saturday, said Paktika province govenor Mohammad Ali Jalali.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; cia; civiliancontractors; espionagelist; powellwatch; southasia; southasialist; statedept; taliban; talibanlist; warlist
Sounds like we lost two more fine Americans, probably CIA operatives. That was apparently in a separate raid where an additional ten terrorists were eliminated. Rest in peace, brave warriors.

Not surprisingly, the group previously reported as all Al Qaeda now includes Taliban among them. The good news is they've added two to the KIA list.

1 posted on 10/28/2003 5:30:05 AM PST by Coop
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To: Angelus Errare; Dog
Twelve more added to yesterday's total.
2 posted on 10/28/2003 5:32:33 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Dog; Angelus Errare; Oldeconomybuyer
Here's a follow-up story to the Khadr chase (three more captures):

http://www.hipakistan.com/en/detail.php?newsId=en43190&F_catID=&f_type=source

ISLAMABAD: Intelligence sources Monday said recent raids had netted seven suspected members of the al Qaeda terrorist network, including an Egyptian-born Canadian said to be an important member of the group. The sources said four were arrested in Faislabad, Two were Yemenis and one was Pakistani. The fourth was identified as Ahmed Saad Khadar, also known as Abu Abdul Rehman, an Egyptian-born Canadian. The sources said he played a key role in the network but gave no further details. They said Khadar was among a group of 22 al Qaeda members who came to Faislabad after the Pakistan Army began operations in the border area. They said Khadar had been scheduled to undergo plastic surgery. The Pakistani man arrested was identified as Mohammad Jawaid, 32. Intelligence sources said a search of his house uncovered some compact discs, maps, a lap top computer, hand grenades and other weapons. Authorities arrested three Yemenis suspected of being al Qaeda operatives in Karachi, the sources said. They identified the three as Youswaf bin Zavi, Jawad al Bashir, and a man whose name was given only as Shaban. They said satellite phones, pistols, and foreign currency were recovered.

3 posted on 10/28/2003 5:47:05 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: AntiGuv
Requesting honors for a couple of counterterrorism civilians who paid the ultimate price.
5 posted on 10/28/2003 6:51:15 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
U.S. civilians die in Afghan battle

WOW...talk about stray bullets...

6 posted on 10/28/2003 7:42:22 AM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Coop

7 posted on 10/28/2003 8:12:43 AM PST by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Coop
Shadow warriors Bump.

Unsung but not unappreciated.

Armor piercing bullets, eh?
8 posted on 10/28/2003 8:42:18 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: AntiGuv
Thank you kindly
9 posted on 10/28/2003 8:43:39 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
Sounds like we lost two more fine Americans, probably CIA operatives.

Foxnews just had an alert where it was confirmed that the two were CIA personnel pursuing top terrorists leadership targets!

10 posted on 10/28/2003 10:34:30 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis needs to get out of Arnoold's Office)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"CIA personnel pursuing top terrorists leadership targets!" They are not civilians.

They are heros


11 posted on 10/28/2003 10:39:05 AM PST by WOSG (QUESTION STUPIDITY!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog; Angelus Errare; patton; Dog Gone
So that was the exact wording - top terrorist leadership targets? In Afghanistan. Hmmmm.

Mullah Omar?

With ten dead, it sounds as if these two brave souls accomplished their mission and got their target(s). Small condolences for the families, of course.

12 posted on 10/28/2003 10:39:34 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Peach
Pursuing top terrorist targets?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

13 posted on 10/28/2003 10:42:56 AM PST by Dog
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To: Coop
Taps. Brave Warriors, even if their cover was bad.
14 posted on 10/28/2003 10:44:47 AM PST by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: Coop
Where exactly was this raid??
15 posted on 10/28/2003 10:46:59 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog; patton; Ernest_at_the_Beach
were killed in a raid against suspected Taliban and al Qaeda forces Saturday southwest of the Afghan border town of Shkin.

But then here's another article:

18 rebels killed in Afghan

By BURT HERMAN - Associated Press

18 rebels killed in Afghan

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- U.S.-led coalition troops and Afghan militia killed 18 rebel fighters during a six-hour firefight in eastern Afghanistan near the Pakistan border, calling in airstrikes to help repel the attackers, the U.S. military said Tuesday.

Six Afghan militiamen were wounded in the fighting that began Saturday morning, the coalition said in a statement. There were no coalition casualties.

U.S.-backed Afghan militia members were patrolling 27 miles south of a base in Shkin, a town in Paktika province, when they ran into as many as 25 anti-coalition fighters at 7:45 a.m., the military said. The coalition said a rapid reaction force from its Shkin base, 135 miles south of Kabul, was called in to reinforce the Afghan soldiers.

During an exchange of small-arms fire between the ground forces, A-10 Thunderbolt airplanes and Apache helicopters were called in for air strikes. One vehicle was destroyed and the surviving rebels retreated, the military said. It said "approximately 18 enemy personnel" were killed.

The clash was reported Monday by Afghan officials, but they gave conflicting accounts. Tuesday's statement was the first by the coalition on the incident.

Mohammed Ali Jalali, governor of Paktika province, said Tuesday that a separate battle Saturday in the province's Gomal district, about two miles from the Pakistan border, left 10 rebels dead -- including four Arabs.

The coalition statement didn't specify if the attackers Saturday were former Taliban or al-Qaida terrorists. Remnants of those forces -- ousted from power here in late 2001 by the U.S.-led coalition -- have mounted attacks in Afghanistan's border regions with Pakistan.

The remote regions on Afghanistan's frontier have poor communication links and transportation, a possible reason for the confused reports about the battles.

Last week, the U.N. Undersecretary-General for Peacekeeping told the U.N. Security Council that deteriorating security in Afghanistan was a significant obstacle to reconstruction. He claimed that the Taliban have established "de-facto control" in certain border areas, including in Paktika province, site of Saturday's fighting.

The Afghan government strongly rejected the U.N. official's claims that the Taliban have taken control of border regions, and said threats to stability in the country shouldn't be exaggerated.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2003/10/28/239620-ap.html

16 posted on 10/28/2003 10:56:05 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop; Dog
I may have paraphrased that.. I assumed they were after Al_Queda leadership!
17 posted on 10/28/2003 10:57:26 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis needs to get out of Arnoold's Office)
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To: cgk; Catspaw
Updates
18 posted on 10/28/2003 10:57:35 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
the group previously reported as all Al Qaeda now includes Taliban among them

is there really a difference anymore?

19 posted on 10/28/2003 10:57:40 AM PST by chudogg (http://chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Coop
Fox News reported within the last hour that the CIA will be holding a presser later today on the two CIA agents killed in Afghanistan.
20 posted on 10/28/2003 10:59:30 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Coop; Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is several different battles in that general area since the end of last week..
21 posted on 10/28/2003 11:03:58 AM PST by Dog
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To: chudogg
is there really a difference anymore?

Yep. The Taliban haven't hit the U.S. homeland.

22 posted on 10/28/2003 11:04:13 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Aaron0617
Reporting now on Fox.

They were 2 CIA contractors killed hunting top al qaeda terrorists. Before joining the CIA they were members of the special forces.

Prayers to all.

23 posted on 10/28/2003 11:08:55 AM PST by Aaron0617
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To: Aaron0617
Thanks for that !

I am back watching the local fires here in SoCal!

24 posted on 10/28/2003 11:12:34 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis needs to get out of Arnoold's Office)
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To: Coop
Thanks for the ping... BTTT. Sending prayers to families!
25 posted on 10/28/2003 11:15:39 AM PST by cgk (Bennett / Krauthammer: "When in doubt, you MUST opt for Life")
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To: Aaron0617
They were 2 CIA contractors killed hunting top al qaeda terrorists.

Really? Did they definitely say "Al Qaeda"?

26 posted on 10/28/2003 11:17:51 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: chudogg
is there really a difference anymore?

I imagine at this point most Taliban wish they'd never heard of Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda...

27 posted on 10/28/2003 11:21:27 AM PST by Toskrin
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To: Toskrin; Dog; Aaron0617; Angelus Errare; Ernest_at_the_Beach; patton
Update from Fox News:

Two CIA contractors participating in operations to root out top Al Qaeda terrorists and members of the deposed Taliban were killed several days ago in eastern Afghanistan, intelligence officials told Fox News.

William Carlson, 43, of Southern Pines, N.C., and Christopher Glenn Mueller, 32, of San Diego, were "tracking terrorists operating in the region" of Shkin, a village in eastern Afghanistan, when they were killed Saturday, the CIA said in a statement.

Both were veterans of military special operations forces, the CIA said.

"William Carlson and Christopher Mueller were defined by dedication and courage," CIA Director George J. Tenet said in a statement. "Their sacrifice for the peoples of the United States and Afghanistan must never be forgotten."

The pair was working for the CIA's Directorate of Operations, which conducts clandestine intelligence-gathering and covert operations.

The CIA statement says the agency consulted with the dead officers' families and decided their names could be released without compromising ongoing operations.

They are the third and fourth CIA operatives that the agency has acknowledged have been killed in the line of duty since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The first, paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann (search), was killed during an uprising of Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners in northern Afghanistan on Nov. 25, 2001.

The second, Helge Boes, died in a training accident in eastern Afghanistan, on Feb. 5, 2003.

The agency did not provide particulars on the ambush or the two operatives' mission.

The region they were operating in is part of the remote mountainous region along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Usama bin Laden is thought to be hiding. It is also a stronghold for Al Qaeda, Taliban and other anti-U.S. fighters.

When asked if the men were directly hunting for Laden, one source told Fox News: "We can't talk specifically about who they were hunting down ... but, they were definitely after top bad guys."

28 posted on 10/28/2003 11:24:13 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Dog
Would I like to be a fly on the wall when these operations are discussed. Someday in the distant future, books will be written about a lot of these operations.
29 posted on 10/28/2003 11:28:43 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Coop
Hunting OBL???
30 posted on 10/28/2003 11:33:16 AM PST by Dog
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To: Coop; Angelus Errare; Dog
Thought it was interesting this AP article named the CIA guys killed in Afghanistan today. Seems it barely gives the agency enough time to notify their families and would compromise other agents working with them.


WASHINGTON -- Two contractors working for the CIA were killed in an ambush in Afghanistan, the agency said Tuesday.

William Carlson, 43, of Southern Pines, N.C., and Christopher Glenn Mueller, 32, of San Diego, were "tracking terrorists operating in the region" of Shkin, a village in eastern Afghanistan, when they were killed Saturday, the CIA said in a statement.

Both were veterans of military special operations forces, the CIA said.

"William Carlson and Christopher Mueller were defined by dedication and courage," CIA Director George J. Tenet said in a statement. "Their sacrifice for the peoples of the United States and Afghanistan must never be forgotten."

The pair was working for the CIA's Directorate of Operations, which conducts clandestine intelligence-gathering and covert operations.

The CIA statement says the agency consulted with the dead officers' families and decided their names could be released without compromising ongoing operations.

They are the third and fourth CIA operatives that the agency has acknowledged have been killed in the line of duty since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The first, paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann, was killed during an uprising of Taliban and al-Qaida prisoners in northern Afghanistan on Nov. 25, 2001.

The second, Helge Boes, died in a training accident in eastern Afghanistan, on Feb. 5, 2003.

The agency did not provide particulars on the ambush or the two operatives' mission.

The region they were operating in is part of the remote mountainous region along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden is thought to be hiding. It is also a stronghold for al-Qaida, Taliban and other anti-U.S. fighters.
Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press

31 posted on 10/28/2003 11:34:19 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Dog
Hunting OBL???

I doubt he'd set foot in Afghanistan. It could simply be their general mission was to track him, the Doc and others, but it involved many tactical operations in order to capture/kill/track various terrorists.

32 posted on 10/28/2003 11:38:05 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Aaron0617
Thought it was interesting this AP article named the CIA guys killed in Afghanistan today. Seems it barely gives the agency enough time to notify their families and would compromise other agents working with them.

I wish they didn't release any of this. Maybe they should've 'hidden' this as 2 soldiers KIA in Afganistan.

Because now the Taliban/Al Qaeda, if they didn't know it before, know we have small teams in Pakistan hunting for them. Now they know what to look out for.

I would not have disclosed their mention.

33 posted on 10/28/2003 12:15:59 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: Aaron0617
mention = mission
34 posted on 10/28/2003 12:20:17 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: Coop
Prayers for the families of these American heroes.
35 posted on 10/28/2003 1:20:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Coop
Intelligence sources said a search of his house uncovered some compact discs, maps, a lap top computer, hand grenades and other weapons.

Authorities arrested three Yemenis suspected of being al Qaeda operatives in Karachi, the sources said. They identified the three as Youswaf bin Zavi, Jawad al Bashir, and a man whose name was given only as Shaban.

They said satellite phones, pistols, and foreign currency were recovered.

With any luck this will lead to yet more captures and or extermination of AQ types.

36 posted on 10/28/2003 3:04:28 PM PST by csvset
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To: Coop
Coordinated attack gone fubar? Perhaps. Perhaps, not.

Thank both these brave warriors deep in enemy territory. They paid the ultimate price to keep the fight on the enemies turf not ours.

WAKE up you "pull-the-troops-out" kinds!
37 posted on 10/28/2003 6:02:15 PM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: Coop
10 suspected enemy fighters were killed by Afghan army troops

Bump for that, any time an Afghani or an Iraqi takes on some responsibility for their own freedom.

38 posted on 10/28/2003 8:33:09 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Dog
Where exactly was this raid??


39 posted on 10/29/2003 3:32:21 AM PST by csvset
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To: Aaron0617
know we have small teams in Pakistan hunting for them.

This happened in Afghanistan. But I guarantee you Al Qaeda already knew these assets were around. They've lost too many terrorists to them.

40 posted on 10/29/2003 4:21:20 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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