Cool on Warming

The Wall Street Journal ^ | October 28, 2003 | Editorial

[OESY]

If a much-heralded global treaty falls in Siberia, is it news? Apparently not in the U.S. media or Senate, where proponents are still selling the Kyoto climate control treaty a month after Russian President Vladimir Putin all but iced it.

[OESY]

But there is no reason at all to impose such a "cap" because CO2 isn't a pollutant. </>

Except when Hillary talks. -- Editor's note

[Vic3O3]

ping

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Seems like the Global Warming experts were saying we'd freeze to death just a few years ago. Guess they were wrong then...

[Thebaddog]

Lieberman/McCain are ho's looking for positions to make themselves prominent at any costs to the public. McCain especially should be made to pay for this vanity of his.

[Redbob]

" He added what is obvious to Americans who live anywhere north of Chicago, namely that warming temperatures would probably help Russia's agricultural output. The growing season is short in Siberia."

Be interesting to find out what percentage of the earth's land area is above or below the 45th parallels.
It's conceivable that more arable land could be available for food production if the earth did in fact warm by a few degrees.

[Redbob]

"Seems like the Global Warming experts were saying we'd freeze to death just a few years ago."

Yup, in the early '70's, all the so-called experts were fearfully predicting the "New Ice Age."

Same "experts" now predicting global warming, I'd bet.

[pabianice]

If a treaty falls in Siberia and nobody hears it, did it exist?

[Tacis]

Hey, let's give the environmentalists and the US media a break here!! We are reasonable people, sensitive and understanding.

Of course, Russia's position on Kyoto has been stunning. But, after years of absolute, unwaivering, and blind obediance to anything that came out of Moscow, I'm sure you can see whay the US media and the environmenatlists have been silent. When they get their instructions from their new anti-American, neocummunists masters, their voices will return.

[ancient_geezer]

mark for later

[polemikos]

Kyoto Paradox I:
Climate is an extremely complex, chaotic, coupled, non-linear, time-dependent system
with massive, external, naturally-occuring inputs and wide variability in measurables.
Therefore,
To say we can control it by tweaking a small set of factors is ridiculous on its face.

Kyoto Paradox II:
Climate is an extremely complex, chaotic, coupled, non-linear, time-dependent system
with massive, external, naturally-occuring inputs and wide variability in measurables.
Therefore,
You can no more successfully predict the outcome of doing something than you can of
not doing something. In other words, the impact of trying to "fix" a climate "problem"
is as unpredictable as the impact of ignoring it.

[jonno]

bumpsky

[presidio9]

Newsweek April 28th, 1975 The Cooling World

[KC_for_Freedom]

I like your analysis, but I also refuse to believe that science even understands whether we are warming or cooling. And if either effect is significant enough to take any action. (Raise level of levies for example).

I wonder why the countries who do accept this junk science are not out taking action with their taxpayers money?

[ancient_geezer]

I wonder why the countries who do accept this junk science are not out taking action with their taxpayers money?

Weeeell, they actually are, the result is not very encouraging:

Please note that the number of deaths in France attributable to the heatwave since this article was published is now well in excess of 13,000.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95260,00.html

"France claims that the recent European heat wave (search) was responsible for the deaths of 3,000 of its countrymen. But for most of the summer, it has been much hotter in the American West, and no one can find even one body attributable to the heat."

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"My University of Virginia  colleague Robert Davis and I looked into the issue of heat and mortality in American cities and published our findings in several academic journals. Given all those bodies in France and the big blackout, perhaps it's a good time to get these out of the dusty library stacks and tell what we found.

People who study mortality and climate have known for years that most temperate-zone cities have had some "threshold" temperature at which daily mortality suddenly begins to skyrocket. People who study economics will argue that this is a market ripe for adaptation.

How have Americans adapted to our warming cities? They stopped dying. Even though the local temperature keeps going up and up, the threshold at which deaths skyrocket has become higher and higher, and now is beyond the highest temperatures."

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"European cities are virtually devoid of air conditioning in large part because the energy to run them is so expensive. And why is that? Pressured by vocal environmentalists, European governments have levied energy tax after energy tax, with the latest excuse being global warming.

The mathematics of this problem are terribly transparent. In order to meet their self-imposed targets from the Kyoto Protocol (search) on global warming, European nations already have taxed energy, but they have not done enough. Consequently, even more restrictions are being proposed, especially by the German government. Unaffordable air conditioning will become even more expensive, killing more and more Europeans the next time the temperature reaches what passes for a few degrees above what is normal in Dallas.

Europe has effectively imposed a continuous blackout on air conditioning, and now it is paying the price.

[polemikos]

I also refuse to believe that science even understands whether we are warming or cooling

MODEL BUILDING:
Climate models are filled with assumptions, bad data, tweaks, simplifications, etc.
These parameters can be "tweaked" to force the model to show ANY desired result.

Projections of climate change are based on models and assumptions which
"are not only unknown, but unknowable within ranges relevant for policy-making"

Models fail to adequately handle clouds, water vapour, aerosols, precipitation,
ocean currents, solar effects, complex weather patterns, etc.

Model simulation of surface temperature appears to be little more than fortuitous
curve-fitting rather than a demonstration of human influence on global climate.

Temperature rise projections this century are "unknown and unknowable".

"Climate models [are] projections, story lines, [more aptly termed] fairy tales."
-- Hartwig Volz, geophysicist, RWE Research Laboratory, Germany

"Global warming projections [are] completely unrealistic...assuming extreme scenarios
of population growth and fossil fuel consumption"
-- S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist, University of Virginia, Environmental Policy Project

"The balance of evidence suggests that there has been no appreciable warming since 1940.
This would indicate that the human effects on climate must be quite small."
-- S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist, University of Virginia, Environmental Policy Project

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PREDICTING THE PAST:
Climate models, which serve as the basis for long-term climate predictions,
have clearly failed when tested against observed climate data.

Models fail to reproduce the known difference in trends between the
lower troposphere and surface temperatures over the past 20 years.

They don't show the actual amount of temperature change at the Earth's surface
Models can't predict the recent past, let alone the long-term future.

Antarctica has been cooling since 1966, directly contradicting model results
that suggest that warming will be more pronounced in the Earth's polar regions.
-- Nature magazine

the Antarctic ice sheet is expanding rather than shrinking,
contrary to what global-warming enthusiasts would have us believe.
-- Science magazine

[polemikos]

Unaffordable air conditioning will become even more expensive, killing more and more Europeans the next time the temperature reaches what passes for a few degrees above what is normal in Dallas.

Darwin Award nominee.

Liberalism is self-limiting. The trick is to avoid being caught up in its suicidal urges.

[KC_for_Freedom]

European governments have levied energy tax after energy tax, with the latest excuse being global warming.

Good point ag, but I meant starting expensive projects so the people could see the waste of money directly. I admit raising energy taxes, increasing the cost of driving, and forcing companies to do away with volatile organic compounds carrys a price. But the people don't see the price directly and is slips by them.