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The Interview That Wasn't Michael Schiavo got the usual Larry King softballs.
The Weekly Standard ^ | 10/28/2003 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/28/2003 8:39:33 AM PST by aculeus

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Here are last nights LKL transcripts.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html
I miss the broadcasts, but from reading the transcripts and seeing various reations from Terri's family, this guy is a selfish, coldblooded, controlling, liar.
61 posted on 10/28/2003 11:54:16 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: lugsoul
I'm no Michael Baden fan, but one important difference here is that in the O.J. case, Baden was hired to find holes in the prosecution's case. And thanks to the sloppiness of the forensic work, he found plenty.

But can you find anything unfactual about Baden's testimony?

In Terri's case, Baden has absolutely no financial interest. No one from the Schindler family hired him or had anything to do with him.

Why would Baden volunteer his opinion of Schiavo's culpability and thereby risk being sued for slander, if he didn't think he stood on very firm ground?

62 posted on 10/28/2003 12:00:43 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: lugsoul
I'm no Michael Baden fan, but one important difference here is that in the O.J. case, Baden was hired to find holes in the prosecution's case. And thanks to the sloppiness of the forensic work, he found plenty.

But can you find anything unfactual about Baden's testimony?

In Terri's case, Baden has absolutely no financial interest. No one from the Schindler family hired him or had anything to do with him.

Why would Baden volunteer his opinion of Schiavo's culpability and thereby risk being sued for slander, if he didn't think he stood on very firm ground?

63 posted on 10/28/2003 12:00:43 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: isrul
Well, her own family says he stopped "rehab", not medical treatment, in 1193, not 01-00. The CA experimental treatment extended past the timeframe you state. Even physical therapy extended past the time frame you state.
64 posted on 10/28/2003 12:01:08 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: All
Sorry about double post.
65 posted on 10/28/2003 12:01:21 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!
First, self-aggrandizement is Baden's game.

Second, I am sure you know that an "opinion" is not defamation.

Third, of course there are faults in Baden's O.J. testimony, if you believe O.J. did it. He testified under oath that, in his EXPERT opinion, there were at least two killers. He testified that the crime scene evidence didn't point to O.J. because it was unreliable. Do you believe that? Are you THAT invested in the Schiavo case that you'll believe THIS hack?

66 posted on 10/28/2003 12:04:09 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: DaGman
What is more interesting is that the only supposed "words" she is documented to have possibly stated in recent years are "no" and "unh-uh" in response to efforts to perform medical procedures.
67 posted on 10/28/2003 12:10:34 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: lugsoul
I said treating physicians.

Well, you do realize that any treating physicians have been hand-picked by Michael Schiavo, don't you ?

68 posted on 10/28/2003 12:19:15 PM PST by Quester
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To: lugsoul
The article at the beginning of this thread claims Schiavo has provided no rehab since 1991.

There is no treatment, I am aware of, for this woman's disability other than rehab.

So again I must ask you; What type of "treatment" are you referring to?

If the article is not factual will you please provide a link to more accurate information regarding either/or rehab and treatment?

69 posted on 10/28/2003 12:21:35 PM PST by isrul
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To: Quester
yes, and I'm sure they are all corrupt and ignore their oath at michael's bidding. /s
70 posted on 10/28/2003 12:25:24 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: lugsoul
What is more interesting is that the only supposed "words" she is documented to have possibly stated in recent years are "no" and "unh-uh" in response to efforts to perform medical procedures.

Is there any documentation that she said "no" and "unh-uh" to food and water ?

71 posted on 10/28/2003 12:25:33 PM PST by Quester
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To: isrul
www.terrisfight.org
72 posted on 10/28/2003 12:25:45 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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yes, and I'm sure they are all corrupt and ignore their oath at michael's bidding. /s

Certainly, if you can doubt the opinions of nine physicians because their testimonies were solicited for the court case, ... I can doubt the opinions of physicians that Michael Schiavo paid.

73 posted on 10/28/2003 12:29:40 PM PST by Quester
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To: aculeus
"She has no awareness, no consciousness. She's in a contracted state. Her hands, her arms, her legs are contracted." - Michael Schiavo, on Larry King.

OK, let's let someone with expertise in this area handle this one, because I don't know. But one of the nurses testified that Michael wouldn't let her give range of motion exercises to ease contractures or put a cloth in her hand to keep her hands from closing. He wanted her to have no therapy at all, she said. (Michael claimed the nurses are just mad and lying in their affidavits cause he yelled at them.)

So who is telling the truth here. If she had gotten proper therapy, would she be totally contracted?
74 posted on 10/28/2003 1:24:12 PM PST by I still care
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To: Mamzelle
As much as I side with the Schindlers and against the culture of death, I would not take Michael Baden's words to the bank. He likes to stir the pot and was happy to tell all kinds of fairy tales for OJ Simpson's trial.
75 posted on 10/28/2003 1:26:41 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: I still care
If she had gotten proper therapy, would she be totally contracted?

If she had gotten therapy she would be much less contracted, I think.

76 posted on 10/28/2003 1:28:23 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: lugsoul; MarMema
LUGSOUL ASKED MARMEMA: "...can you name a single treating physician of Terri who hasn't said she's gone?"

I AM RESPONDING: "Lugsoul, are you KIDDING??? I can't think of a single physician---of the PARENTS' CHOICE---that "LOVING" Hitleresque-husband Michael would ALLOW to get NEAR Terri, much less "TREAT" her!!!

I AM ADDING: "But there HAVE been a NUMBER of medical Doctors and Nurses who have examined the few medical records available, who have said Terri COULD be REHABBED and her condition improved."

77 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:28 PM PST by Concerned
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To: Concerned; lugsoul
Thank you, concerned. That said she will still be very disabled, of course.

The issue is really, not can she improve, but do we kill the disabled if they cannot improve?

Since we are perhaps not disabled, we can't really make this choice in a very educated manner for ourselves. Perhaps we would be at a place where we could not walk or talk but could see our grandchild and smell the baby smell of this child. That might be enough to make life worthwhile for many of us. There is some balalaika music that I find to be so incredible that I would find much of life worthwhile if I could hear it.

That said, there are some facts about life with a serious disability available.

86% of spinal cord injured high-level quadriplegics rated their quality of life as average or better than average. Only 17% of their ER doctors, nurses, and technicians thought they would have an average or better quality of life if they acquired quadriplegic (KA Gerhart et al., Annals of Emergency Medicine, 1994, vol. 23, 807-812).

No differences were found between 190 physically disabled persons and 195 "able bodied" persons on ratings of life satisfaction, frustration with life or mood (P Cameron et al., Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 1973, vol. 41, 207- 214).

The duration of disability was positively related with acceptance of disability in persons with spinal cord injury-related paralysis. Severity of disability was of no importance in accepting life with a disability (F Woodrich & JB Patterson, Journal of Rehabilitation, 1983, July-Sept., 26-30).

60% of paraplegics reported feelings more positively about themselves since becoming disabled (C Ray & J West, Paraplegia, 1984, vol. 22, 75-86).

Interviews and tests administered to 133 persons with severe mobility disabilities revealed no differences between them and the nondisabled norm on psychosocial measures. In another study, no significant difference was found between persons with severe disabilities (requiring wheelchair use and daily personal assistance) and persons with no disabilities on quality of life measures (R Stensman, Scandinavian Journal of Rehabilitation Medicine, 1985, vol. 17, 87-99).

In a study of life satisfaction of quadriplegics, fewer than a third of those who used ventilators expressed dissatisfaction with their lives. There is evidence that life satisfaction scores are higher in persons who have had more time to adjust to disability (JR Bach & MC Tilton, Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, 1994, vol. 75, 626-632).

Spinal cord injured rehabilitation patients were similar to the general population on self-ratings of depression, yet hospital staff consistently overestimated the patients' level of depression (LA Cushman & MP Dijkers, Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, 1990, vol. 71, 191-196.

Three-quarters of persons with spinal cord injuries rated their quality of life as good or excellent. Amount of paralysis made no difference, but people who used ventilators rated their quality of life higher than those not needing ventilators (GG Whiteneck et al., Rocky Mountain Spinal Cord Injury System Report to the National Institute of Handicapped Research, 1985, 29-33.

Elderly paralyzed veterans rated their quality of life higher than similarly aged men without disabilities (MG Eisenberg & CC Saltz, Paraplegia, 1991, vol. 29, 514-520).

78 posted on 10/28/2003 2:01:41 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Concerned
And anyone who's ever come within a mile of litigation knows that there is a difference between the opinions of doctors who actually have a doctor/patient relationship and doctors who read some records or maybe examine the patient once.
79 posted on 10/28/2003 2:04:26 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: lugsoul
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
80 posted on 10/28/2003 2:56:33 PM PST by Houmatt (Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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