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Exotic Relics Found In Ancient Nomads' Tombs In Inner Mongolia (Westerners)
China View ^ | 10-28-2003

Posted on 10/28/2003 10:23:26 AM PST by blam

Exotic relics found in ancient nomads' tombs in Inner Mongolia

www.chinaview.cn 2003-10-28 17:13:28

¡¡¡¡HOHHOT, Oct. 28 (Xinhuanet) -- Judging from bronze articles unearthed from ancient tombs in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, archaeologists estimate that nomadic tribes in north China had contacts with Western civilizations approximately 2,500 years ago.

¡¡¡¡Local archaeologists found a bronze mirror and a bronze plate at the two ancient tomb sites in Liangcheng county which can be traced back to the Spring and Autumn Period (770-476 B.C.) and the Warring States Period (475-221 B.C.), which they believed could not be the work of ancient northern peoples in China.

¡¡¡¡The semi-circle button of the mirror and the plate design of a weird beast with a bird's head and a tiger's body resembled very much the style of relics excavated in the hinterland of the Eurasian grass plain extending eastwards from the Black Sea to the outer Trans-Baikalia region in Russia, said Cao Jian'en, a noted researcher with the regional archaeology institute.

¡¡¡¡The round mirror is approximately 10 cm in diameter and its semicircle button, through which archaeologists believed the mirror was tied to its user for convenience, is only about one centimeter in radius.

¡¡¡¡More than 80 tombs were unearthed from the two sites and some 200 ornaments, numerous bone utensils for daily use and production purpose, and bones of sacrifice animals including horses, oxen, sheep and dogs were found in the tombs.

¡¡¡¡Archaeologists said the animal sacrifice showed that the tombs belonged to nomads.

¡¡¡¡According to Cao, the makers of the tombs were native Rong and Di people, two minority ethnic groups in ancient China later to assimilated by the Hun people, called Xiongnu in the Han Dynasty (206 B.C.- A.D. 220).

¡¡¡¡The discovery of the tombs will provide valuable clues to the research of the origin of the Hun people, Cao said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancient; archaeology; exotic; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; inner; mongolia; nomads; relics; romanempire; romansinchina

1 posted on 10/28/2003 10:23:27 AM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
Tracking The Tarim Mummies
2 posted on 10/28/2003 10:28:09 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

3 posted on 10/28/2003 10:29:17 AM PST by blam
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To: shamusotoole
Riddle Of The Desert Mummies

Cherchen Man

4 posted on 10/28/2003 10:34:46 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

This is the region where the latest Western artifacts were found

5 posted on 10/28/2003 10:36:58 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
This is facinating.
6 posted on 10/28/2003 10:38:47 AM PST by najida (This is a great big sandbox for us all to play in. Don't tinkle in it.)
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To: blam; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices; Quix
The Ten Lost Tribes went somewhere--about this time...
7 posted on 10/28/2003 10:38:56 AM PST by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: blam
I could see how these particular artifacts could make their way to China fairly rapidly, as high-end trade goods. We already know that there was apparently a good bit of interaction and trade among peoples and tribes in Asia, so this sorta fits right in.
8 posted on 10/28/2003 10:44:48 AM PST by r9etb
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To: blam
Seems that the modern world is rediscovering these Kelts all over again. A 150+ year-old history text I have describes these fellers and their migrations extensively.

I saw a PBS special about some of the mummies three years ago, and figured I'd see if there was any previous documentation... yep.

Not to detract from the recent finds...but the existence of Kelts in China and Mongolia is old, old news.

9 posted on 10/28/2003 10:56:20 AM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: dasboot
"Not to detract from the recent finds...but the existence of Kelts in China and Mongolia is old, old news."

Yup. But, you probably never heard anyone say that they were refugees from Noah's Flood in the Black Sea in 5600BC...or, that the Schytians were the same people as the Xiongnu, Han, Hun and Hakka Chinese...and, maybe even the Picts.

10 posted on 10/28/2003 11:07:47 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; Ff--150
But, you probably never heard anyone say that they were refugees from Noah's Flood in the Black Sea in 5600BC...or, that the Schytians were the same people as the Xiongnu, Han, Hun and Hakka Chinese...and, maybe even the Picts.

Blam, I am always amazed by your posts! Could they be part of the 10 Lost Tribes?

11 posted on 10/28/2003 11:12:52 AM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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12 posted on 10/28/2003 11:14:54 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: r9etb
Aurel Stein came across these Caucasian mummies in China in the early 1900's, not much was made of it at the time.
13 posted on 10/28/2003 11:21:11 AM PST by blam
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"Blam, I am always amazed by your posts! Could they be part of the 10 Lost Tribes?"

Thanks. I don't think these are members of the Lost Tribes. These folks out in the Tarim Basin date to 4,000BC. I think the 'tribes' went missing around 722BC, right?

14 posted on 10/28/2003 11:23:39 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Well, yeah, I've read all those things.

The northwestern Chinese have a lot of Caucasion attributes. The Picts, I think, were probably the [original?] inhabitants of the isles [Phoenicean/Iberian?) who were displaced or absorbed by later Scythians. I think it likely that the Chinese Kelts were Scyths. This is my un-schooled surmise, mostly based upon visible physical generalities, art traditions, language, and a bit of reading on the subject....becoming foggy now.

As far as going back to 5600bc.....idunno. Facinatin' stuff!

Enjoyed your post on Picts, as well. Got a ping-list?

15 posted on 10/28/2003 11:29:04 AM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: blam; 4ConservativeJustices
archaeologists estimate that nomadic tribes in north China had contacts with Western civilizations approximately 2,500 years ago.

Refering to what you posted this would place this contact around the time of Northern Israel being dispursed?

The other mummies however makes one wonder?

16 posted on 10/28/2003 11:34:26 AM PST by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: dasboot; farmfriend
"Enjoyed your post on Picts, as well. Got a ping-list?"

farmfriend does the ping list, I've 'pinged' her.

What Really Happened To The Picts

17 posted on 10/28/2003 11:40:11 AM PST by blam
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To: Ff--150
"Refering to what you posted this would place this contact around the time of Northern Israel being dispursed?"

The most recent artifacts found were dated to 2600 years ago. The Western people in the region go back as early as 4,000BC.

If you remember FReeper "LostTribe", he thought that the Celts were the lost tribes. BTW, FReeper "LostTribe" was banned.

18 posted on 10/28/2003 11:51:18 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
please add me to this ping list - thanks
19 posted on 10/28/2003 11:51:27 AM PST by The Californian
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To: blam
The most recent artifacts found were dated to 2600 years ago. The Western people in the region go back as early as 4,000BC.

I think we are in agreement here about the northern mummies around the time of the Ten Tribes being scattered, not that they are or are not. The western mummies are interesting.

20 posted on 10/28/2003 12:02:57 PM PST by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: dasboot
The Historic Steppes Nomad Tribes (These came later than the people addressed in this article)
21 posted on 10/28/2003 12:04:44 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
HMMMMMM.

INTERESTING.
22 posted on 10/28/2003 12:19:36 PM PST by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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To: blam
Kennewick person certainly paints a picture that there were original and subsequent waves of migration out of the Caucasius. He goes back , what six to maybe eight-thousand years BC? Restless folks, these. Like locusts.
23 posted on 10/28/2003 12:37:04 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: blam
ping me if have a ping list.
24 posted on 10/28/2003 1:35:37 PM PST by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: blam
Fascinating, Blam. Say, has the archological survey of the Black Sea bed turned up anything interesting?
25 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:19 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: blam
Well, I'm not sure about the exact dates, but you are correct. I bow to your superior knowledge ;o)
26 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:25 PM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: blam
The Scythians have nothing to do with the Huns...they were an Iranian people speaking an Indo-European language. There are a number of passages in Herodotus in which he talks about them. At one point he says "the Persians call all Scythians Sacae." That sounds like part of a joke from "Laugh In": "they may be Scythians to you, but they're Sacae to me."
27 posted on 10/28/2003 2:19:50 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: colorado tanker
"Fascinating, Blam. Say, has the archological survey of the Black Sea bed turned up anything interesting?"

Nothing lately.

28 posted on 10/28/2003 3:37:04 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Thanks for the reply. Someday I'll learn how to spell.
29 posted on 10/28/2003 3:39:28 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: dasboot

30 posted on 10/28/2003 3:42:16 PM PST by blam
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To: dasboot
"Kennewick person certainly paints a picture that there were original and subsequent waves of migration out of the Caucasius. He goes back , what six to maybe eight-thousand years BC? Restless folks, these. Like locusts."

Kennewick Man has been dated to 7300BC and Spirit Cave Man (Oldest mummy in America) has been dated to 7400BC.

31 posted on 10/28/2003 3:47:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I really think these are the ancient precursers of the Vikings. Rome and Greece have records of Vikings coming down the Volga and doing trade. The name "Russia" is derived from "Rus," meaning "red" which was the name by which the vikings were known in Rome. The part of China where this was found is adjacent to Russia.

This phenotype was very robust and gave rise to many different subcultures over time, and I think it spread itself farther and wider that has generally been reckoned, and inserted itself into the gene pool all over the world.

"Better fearlessnes than faintness of heart for him who would put his nose out of doors! The length of my life and the day of my death were fated, long ago!" ... A very robust group.

I wonder if these are the same people as the ones with the multicolored hats?

32 posted on 10/28/2003 4:05:08 PM PST by Yeti (Please forgive me if I got the quote wrong.)
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To: Yeti
"This phenotype was very robust and gave rise to many different subcultures over time, and I think it spread itself farther and wider that has generally been reckoned, and inserted itself into the gene pool all over the world."

I agree. The Han Dynasty emperors were noted for having 'magic men' with red hair.

33 posted on 10/28/2003 4:11:38 PM PST by blam
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To: Yeti

900AD paintings from the caves at the Buddhist monestary at Bezekik, Turfnan, central Asia.

Some say the Tocharians brought Buddhism to China.

34 posted on 10/28/2003 4:24:04 PM PST by blam
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To: dasboot
I am the keeper of blam'a ping list. Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, just let me or blam know.
35 posted on 10/28/2003 4:29:10 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
Must be from the Ai No Dang dynasty, 'cause, by the looks of him, that fella ain't no dang Chinaman!
36 posted on 10/28/2003 4:39:25 PM PST by Yeti
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37 posted on 07/25/2005 9:38:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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