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Driver hits I-10 offramp turn too fast, rolling van, injuring 12 passengers
Tucson Citizen ^ | 10/28/03 | Irene Hsiao

Posted on 10/29/2003 6:47:18 AM PST by sasafras

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:37:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Twelve people were injured last night, five of them seriously, when the van they were riding in rolled over on an Interstate 10 offramp east of Tucson.

Sgt. Don Quaintance of the state Department of Public Safety said the van rolled as it exited I-10 onto Marsh Station Road about 8:20 p.m.


(Excerpt) Read more at tucsoncitizen.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: illegalaliens; immigrantlist; mexicans; voterfraud
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"The driver of the vehicle apparently fled, said Quaintance, adding that the passengers, all from Mexico, were identified through voter registration cards."

This is unbelievable - these illegal aliens already had voter id cards - who says they need driver licenses to vote. We need to start enacting laws to stop illegals from recieving benefits and punish companies that hire them. The illegals are only doing what they can get away with, I dont blame them, but the politicians that allow this to happen.

1 posted on 10/29/2003 6:47:18 AM PST by sasafras
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To: sasafras
voter registration cards?!

Excuse me while I puke...
2 posted on 10/29/2003 6:48:29 AM PST by AK2KX
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To: sasafras
The voter ID cards is what caught my eye. That is scary. That is my number one concern for 2004.
3 posted on 10/29/2003 6:49:04 AM PST by mathluv
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To: sasafras
"The driver of the vehicle apparently fled, said Quaintance, adding that the passengers, all from Mexico, were identified through voter registration cards."

United States or Mexican voter registration cards?

4 posted on 10/29/2003 6:49:33 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna do some butt kicking in Sacramento. Coming soon to a theater nearby you.)
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To: John123
I dont know the article didnt make a distinction - I assume United States but not sure.
5 posted on 10/29/2003 6:51:35 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
It's all Ike's fault.
6 posted on 10/29/2003 6:51:56 AM PST by battlegearboat (Can you smell what the Rock is cooking?)
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To: sasafras

Amazing.

I just read the headline in breaking news and from that alone thought "I wonder how they'll sidestep the fact that these were illegal aliens?"

Owl_Eagle

”Unleash the Hogs of Peace.”
P.J. O'Rourke Parliament of Whores

7 posted on 10/29/2003 6:53:01 AM PST by South Hawthorne ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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To: sasafras
We need to start enacting laws to stop illegals from recieving benefits and punish companies that hire them. The illegals are only doing what they can get away with, I dont blame them, but the politicians that allow this to happen.

Sadly they are recieving most of the benefits from the government that refuses to enforce it's own immigration laws.

8 posted on 10/29/2003 6:53:33 AM PST by c-b 1
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To: sasafras
Regardless, prayers for those injured.
9 posted on 10/29/2003 6:54:18 AM PST by DrewsDad
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To: sasafras

10 posted on 10/29/2003 6:54:40 AM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( ° ¿ ° )_oooo_____)
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To: sasafras
The driver of the vehicle apparently fled, said Quaintance, adding that the passengers, all from Mexico, were identified through voter registration cards.

Isn't that wonderful. Non-citizens with voter registration cards. Wonder how many are registered Republican?

And this, reported ironically in the Tucson Citizen.

11 posted on 10/29/2003 6:55:30 AM PST by tdadams
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To: DrewsDad
If you lived in Tucson you'd send your prayers to the citizens that are routinely killed and injured by these law breakers that drive recklessly and kill anyone and anything that it in their path when they are trying to get away. It is a crime that this statistic is not reported but wrecks caused by illegals are incredibly high and often deadly. All while the politicians look the other way.
12 posted on 10/29/2003 6:58:08 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
the men were at the top of the ramp and had started a fire to alert motorists of the accident.

Another weird thing about this story. I hate when news stories say things like that and then don't explain, as if it were normal behavior.

13 posted on 10/29/2003 6:58:55 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: martin_fierro
LOL! Hey, wait a minute, what am I laughing about, I live
in Mexifornia!
14 posted on 10/29/2003 6:59:02 AM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: sasafras
He said the driver of the 1992 Chevrolet Astro van apparently tried to take a turn too fast. He did not know how many times the van, carrying 10 males and two females, rolled, or how fast the vehicle was going.

A 1992 Chevrolet Astro van with 12 people riding in it??? Not very smart, as this van is made for eight people.

15 posted on 10/29/2003 6:59:13 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Ban dumbocRATs forever!)
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To: sasafras
adding that the passengers, all from Mexico

Surprise surprise surprise. And there will be lawsuits on each one of them --- signs aren't in Spanish or whatever. Their families at least are now set for life.

16 posted on 10/29/2003 6:59:21 AM PST by FITZ
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To: John123
I think it would be the IFE card from Mexico ---- Mexico uses the IFE card as proof of identity ----- certainly not the matricula card. Sometimes Guatemalans make the mistake of obtaining false birth certificates to travel through Mexico ---- and that's what gets them caught --- they don't know enough to also get a fake IFE card.
17 posted on 10/29/2003 7:03:09 AM PST by FITZ
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To: sasafras
How much did it cost the taxpayers to send 5 HELICOPTERS to rescue these invading leeches? And then to pay for medical care for 12 accident victims?
18 posted on 10/29/2003 7:03:09 AM PST by BushMeister
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To: FITZ
Maybe but I wouldnt bet on it. The Tucson Citizen is very liberal (but not as liberal as the AZ Daily Star) and it is possible that they didnt state which because they knew if they said US voter cards there would have been alot of libs angry that they reported the truth.
19 posted on 10/29/2003 7:05:44 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
all from Mexico, were identified through voter registration cards.

lET ME GUESS THIS WAS THEIR only FORM OF ID.

21 posted on 10/29/2003 7:09:03 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: battlegearboat
LOL!


22 posted on 10/29/2003 7:12:31 AM PST by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: OXENinFLA
But, but, I don't understand.

af_vet_1981 said that Syria was all wrong about our inability to control our borders. It was all Propaganda!

Traitors, you are all traitors! By pointing out that these people may have been illegal, you have aided and abetted the Syrian Government.

Shame on you all!

23 posted on 10/29/2003 7:12:49 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: sasafras
Mexico wouldn't use the American documents they might have been carrying to identify them ---- because here they use stolen identification ---- you'd never be able to find their families to inform them.
24 posted on 10/29/2003 7:13:38 AM PST by FITZ
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To: StriperSniper
Thank you vury much.
25 posted on 10/29/2003 7:25:16 AM PST by battlegearboat (I'll go get back in line.)
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To: Stu Cohen; af_vet_1981
But, but, I don't understand. af_vet_1981 said that Syria was all wrong about our inability to control our borders. It was all Propaganda! Traitors, you are all traitors! By pointing out that these people may have been illegal, you have aided and abetted the Syrian Government. Shame on you all!

If you're going to quote or talk about a fellow freeper then it's good manners to ping them.

26 posted on 10/29/2003 7:26:04 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: ChuckHam; Stu Cohen
Thanks for the ping. Syria is wrong. They can stop the terrorists. They don't want to because they are Baathists. We are their enemy. They are our enemy. The Syrians put out a propaganda excuse and notwithstanding the fact we do not control all entry and exit on our southern and northern borders, the Syrians are without excuse for their sponsored terrorism that is killing Americans. He who praises and parrots the Syrians, is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
27 posted on 10/29/2003 7:33:45 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: ChuckHam; af_vet_1981; Stu Cohen
But, but, I don't understand. af_vet_1981 said that Syria was all wrong about our inability to control our borders. It was all Propaganda! Traitors, you are all traitors! By pointing out that these people may have been illegal, you have aided and abetted the Syrian Government. Shame on you all!

If you're going to quote or talk about a fellow freeper then it's good manners to ping them.

It is also considered bad form to drag disagreements/discussions from thread-to-thread.

28 posted on 10/29/2003 7:48:14 AM PST by GluteusMax
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To: af_vet_1981
the Syrians are without excuse for their sponsored terrorism that is killing Americans.

Perhaps, but if they managed to control their borders, when we can't ... that would be pretty darn embarassing for us.

Imagine if they were able to shore up all border crossings real quick.

Then THEY would have to teach US how to do it.

Scary thought.

I actually prefer to believe that it is a nearly impossible job, and that we are not intentionally letting it happen.

Voter ID cards at that! Eeesh.

29 posted on 10/29/2003 7:58:32 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: GluteusMax
It is also considered bad form to drag disagreements/discussions from thread-to-thread.

They are somewhat related. If this thread was about, say, Bill Clinton's cigar habits, then I would agree.

But this thread was very relevant to the other one. It probably would have been worse for to repost this article in the other thread. No?

30 posted on 10/29/2003 8:01:03 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: mathluv; AK2KX; sasafras
Those are Mexican voter IDs...the Mexican voting system is extremely strict about ID...unlike the Matricula Consular.

Those voter IDs are useless in the US, except to allow our LEOs to identify corpses.
31 posted on 10/29/2003 8:15:12 AM PST by HiJinx (Pray for Gubamyster's son, James...)
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To: GluteusMax
It is also considered bad form to drag disagreements/discussions from thread-to-thread.

You are correct. Stu Cohen is wrong. The threads are not on the same topic and it was a lame attempt for him to generate trouble.

32 posted on 10/29/2003 8:15:14 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Stu Cohen
GluteusMax was correct. You were wrong. It was a lame attempt by you to stir up trouble.
33 posted on 10/29/2003 8:16:03 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Arrowhead1952
A 1992 Chevrolet Astro van with 12 people riding in it??? Not very smart, as this van is made for eight people.

A co-worker's son is a ranger here in the Coronado National Monument. He stopped a Ford Taurus carrying 8 illegals...several were in the trunk. I remember getting into the drive-in that way...but I wouldn't want to make the 4 hour drive from the border to Phoenix that way!!

34 posted on 10/29/2003 8:18:21 AM PST by HiJinx (Pray for Gubamyster's son, James...)
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To: Stu Cohen; af_vet_1981
In your reply to af_vet_1981, you said:

Perhaps, but if they managed to control their borders, when we can't ... that would be pretty darn embarassing for us.

Imagine if they were able to shore up all border crossings real quick.

Then THEY would have to teach US how to do it.

Scary thought.

I actually prefer to believe that it is a nearly impossible job, and that we are not intentionally letting it happen.

I think it is self-evident that our government is turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. If we could overrun Iraq in a few weeks militarily, we could certainly control our own southern border with Mexico against unarmed people.

It is a matter of political will, not capability. A decision was made at a very high level to allow cheap labor to flow into this nation, and both major political parties support that decision.

The evidence simply demands that verdict.

The only question is whether or not we will all sit idly by and let our politicians destroy our culture and way of life.

35 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:27 AM PST by GluteusMax
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36 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:29 AM PST by HiJinx (Pray for Gubamyster's son, James...)
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To: sasafras
Man oh man...Marsh Station Road westbound at 65 MPH? It's a wonder he didn't kill them all!

I wonder what made the idiot decide to get off there...unless he was planning on putting them on a slow moving freight train...that's where the UP tracks cross over the Interstate...
37 posted on 10/29/2003 8:24:02 AM PST by HiJinx (Pray for Gubamyster's son, James...)
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To: HiJinx
Guess who gets to pay thier medical bills?
38 posted on 10/29/2003 8:27:01 AM PST by SAMWolf (This is tomorrow's message.)
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To: SAMWolf
Their medical bills will either be charged to AHCCCS (Arizona Medicaid) or they will be 'cash-applied' at the ER desk. That means they will be required to pay cash for services rendered. The billing office gets a local address and sends them a bill. Of course, the address is bogus and the hospital ends up writing it off as bad debt. Well, I don't know for sure about Tucson, but that is the way it works here in Sierra Vista.

And that is one of the major reasons why there's a healthcare crisis in the U.S.
39 posted on 10/29/2003 8:32:02 AM PST by HiJinx (Pray for Gubamyster's son, James...)
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To: af_vet_1981
You were wrong. It was a lame attempt by you to stir up trouble.

I strongly disagree with you, but respect you opinion.

40 posted on 10/29/2003 8:36:54 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: HiJinx
Thanks for the info. It is funny how Mexican voter id cards require more info, including a picture, vs the ones we use in the US. My voter id card is a flimsy little card with no identification marks like a picture. How is it that we dont change the voter id cards to match the ones they use in Mexico. Man I cant believe I just said that!! We are going to take the lead from Mexico on voter id cards? We are in need of some serious reform.
41 posted on 10/29/2003 8:41:01 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: HiJinx
The hospitals dont write it off as much as they pass it on to you and me - the suckers that have to pay their debt. For all the lilly white liberals who live somewhere else and think that this is not a problem - come to arizona and visit an emergency room, day and night, you will see who makes up the roughly 80% of people who go there. And you'll also see why you have to wait upwards of 4-6 hours just to be seen.
42 posted on 10/29/2003 8:44:23 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
You're absolutely right about ERs, but each area has its own quirks...

The military closed down all hospital activities at Ft. Huachuca, leaving only a clinic for all active duty, retirees, and family members. This put an increased stress on the Sierra Vista Regional Health Center and doctors' offices in town. The doctors frequently send their patients across the street to the ER, using it as a clinic.

With our large population of retirees - (military and otherwise) - we end up with patients with minor aches and pains sitting in the waiting room while heart attack/respiratory failure patients are seen.

The bulk of the illegals that come through here (hundreds of thousands annually) keep going to Tucson and Phoenix.
43 posted on 10/29/2003 9:27:56 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with strength and honor, and with God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: sasafras
Just from the headline with the words "rollover" and "van", I knew it was Mexicans and Central Americans. All illegal of course.

The drivers always run like jackrabbits so their bosses don't get exposed and punished.
44 posted on 10/29/2003 9:53:28 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: HiJinx
Tucson, Phoenix and beyond. Without sounding too alarmist the whole country is being overrun. It is totally out of control- while the politicians just sit back and allow Rome to burn. I can understand why the Dems do it but McCain, Kolbe and Bush - I just dont get it - have they forgotten the American family the ones that are getting screwed by this?
45 posted on 10/29/2003 10:15:15 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
I wish I knew an answer to that question...

McCain, Kolbe...and now even Kyl, who supported voting the DREAM act out of the Senate Juciciary Committee to be heard by the full Senate.
46 posted on 10/29/2003 10:31:21 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with strength and honor, and with God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: HiJinx
The driver of the vehicle apparently fled, said Quaintance, adding that the passengers, all from Mexico, were identified through voter registration cards.

Screaming in anger! These are the news stories the media needs to be covering! Cable news!The damn libs and sellouts will say, see the voter's cards work!

47 posted on 10/29/2003 11:43:39 AM PST by JustPiper (18 of 19 Hijackers had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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ping
48 posted on 10/29/2003 11:45:47 AM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: JustPiper
The damn libs and sellouts will say, see the voter's cards work!

...when the truth is, the Mexican Voters' ID is only proof of identity of a Mexican citizen and has no bearing on their legal right to be laying all sprawled out among the cactus and catsclaw along I-10.

I'm just as frustrated as you, JP, we've gotta do something to stop this insanity.

49 posted on 10/29/2003 12:10:18 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with strength and honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: sasafras
bump
50 posted on 10/29/2003 2:39:37 PM PST by Klickitat
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