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To: PetroniDE
I disagree with your post.

I have never heard UBL mention any time that he wanted the distruction of Israel. He said until the people/brothers of Palestine are free.

The items I mentioned were all Christian people, but their religion is never mentioned, but when one criminal professes to belive in Islam, then the whole world knows about it.

When a few people are causing a problem, you cannot hold the threat of Nuking Mekkah, because the sort of people you are dealing with would like nothing more than you to Nuke Mekkah, as then they would have 1.5 billion people on there side.

You have to make it a criminal offence and go after them like criminals, you make it political or religious, then its like you are killing them for thier religious views or political views, which you should not do.

You go after them for the crimes they have commited or for threatening to kill people, this is also a crime.

With regard to wanting to convert everyone to Islam, I do not know if that is their extrem views, I just think they want nothing to do with western culture, or should we say lack of culture the way things have been going in the last few years, where it seems anything goes to please the liberals of this world.

30 posted on 10/29/2003 11:58:34 AM PST by John_11_25
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To: John_11_25
Well, I disagree with some of your points. At least we can disagree respectivefully (unlike other disagreements elsewhere in the world).

I have never heard UBL mention any time that he wanted the distruction of Israel. He said until the people/brothers of Palestine are free.

He mentioned in one speech the Balfour declaration (which eventually led to the creation of Israel). Unfournately, the terrorist definition of a "freed Palestine" is NO ISRAEL. If the muslims from the beginning tried to negotiate with the Jews instead of "drive them to the sea", the Middle East would not be the powder keg it is today.

The items I mentioned were all Christian people, but their religion is never mentioned, but when one criminal professes to belive in Islam, then the whole world knows about it.

I don't see Christian Taliban murdering their people for not following the religion according to their interpretation. They may have done that in the Middle Ages. Even if there are recent examples, that does not constitute a threat to our freedoms.

When a few people are causing a problem, you cannot hold the threat of Nuking Mekkah, because the sort of people you are dealing with would like nothing more than you to Nuke Mekkah, as then they would have 1.5 billion people on there side.

Here you have a point. The Japanese analogy would still hold if the "rank and file" muslim responds differently from the suicide mentality. Even the Japanese didn't follow their Moshido code to the letter in WWII. Which theory is correct? Let's call that question even.

You have to make it a criminal offence and go after them like criminals, you make it political or religious, then its like you are killing them for thier religious views or political views, which you should not do. You go after them for the crimes they have commited or for threatening to kill people, this is also a crime.

These two comments go together. This is WAR. You could make an argument that war itself is a crime. Here you have a point since throughout history most wars are fought over religious or politicial views. However, on September 11, 2001 happened, they attacked our innocent civilians. At that point, we have no other choice but war.

With regard to wanting to convert everyone to Islam, I do not know if that is their extrem views, I just think they want nothing to do with western culture, or should we say lack of culture the way things have been going in the last few years, where it seems anything goes to please the liberals of this world.

The mainstream doesn't think that way, but the extreme elements do. The extreme elements of Islam hate Christians as much as they hate Jews, but for some reason they see the Jews as a bigger threat. They want nothing to do with western culture because they see how backwards theirs has become.

37 posted on 10/29/2003 1:37:56 PM PST by PetroniDE (Kitty Is My Master - I Do What She Says)
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To: John_11_25
If the poor Muslims want everyone to leave them alone, then maybe they should tell their Imams to stop issuing fatwas calling for the "death of all infidels."

The same God, huh? The Christian God is the triune God of the Bible (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The Muslims believe that Jesus (the Son) is a prophet and inferior to Mohammad. Seems like Jesus got a pretty serious demotion in the Muslim view of things.
38 posted on 10/29/2003 1:50:03 PM PST by CommerceComet
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