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Disabled Are Fearful: Who Will Be Next?
L.A.Times ^ | October 29, 2003 | Stephen Drake

Posted on 10/29/2003 11:31:59 AM PST by nickcarraway

By Stephen Drake, Stephen Drake is the research analyst of Not Dead Yet, a national disability rights group.

Bob and Mary Schindler consistently refer to their daughter, Terri, as a disabled person. They're right.

Although most newspapers are covering this story as an "end of life" or "right to life" issue, what ultimately happens to Terri Schiavo will affect countless other people with disabilities in this country.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: disabled; eugenics; florida; health; medicine; righttolife; terrischiavo

1 posted on 10/29/2003 11:31:59 AM PST by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 10/29/2003 11:32:59 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Ahhhhhh. Liberal compassion. Disabled people should be worried if the "right to die" folks in this case win. Disabled? Ah just kill them.
3 posted on 10/29/2003 11:38:19 AM PST by Simmy2.5
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To: nickcarraway
Excellent article -- worth the hassle of going to the LA Times. A couple more excerpts:

I was born brain-damaged as a result of a forceps delivery. The doctor told my parents I would be a "vegetable" for the rest of my life — the same word now being used for Schiavo — and that the best thing would be for nature to take its course. They refused. Although I had a lot of health problems, surgeries and pain as a child, I went on to lead a happy life.

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About 20 years ago, a hospital staff in Indiana was starving an infant with Down's syndrome. A whistle-blower alerted authorities, and the district attorney went to court to order hydration. The judge refused. Public comment supported the idea that "difficult" decisions like starving disabled infants were best left to the privacy of doctor-parent consultation.

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4 posted on 10/29/2003 11:47:28 AM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: nickcarraway
No kidding. The liberals are salvating to show their compassion by ridding the world of babies and useless eaters, especially if they don't vote Democratic.

After they're dead they can be counted on to cast their votes in the right column.
5 posted on 10/29/2003 11:47:57 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nickcarraway
Lenin spoke of "useful idiots" who would aid in their own destruction.
Hitler spoke of the disabled as "useless eaters" who deserved to be killed.

In the US today, our useful idiots are starting to go to work on the useless eaters. Scary.

6 posted on 10/29/2003 11:49:33 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: ClearCase_guy
All in the name of ``compassion.''
7 posted on 10/29/2003 11:51:28 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway

8 posted on 10/29/2003 12:04:01 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Bump
9 posted on 10/29/2003 12:07:35 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks nick,

And the LA Times doesn't troll for sellable data....nice.

They just went up a minor tick on the loath-o-meter.

10 posted on 10/29/2003 12:10:03 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: cyn
Those pics break my heart. Such a disconnect in the minds of them who want to "uphold her right to die". Those same wouldn't throw a bag of kittens into a river off a bridge, but Terri.........
11 posted on 10/29/2003 12:12:30 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: nickcarraway
From the LA article: Guardianship — which in this case was granted to Schiavo's husband by the courts — has to have limits, especially when the stakes are the very lives of the people under guardians' power. It's important to remember that guardians have power over people, not property, and those people still have rights.

This is where the abortionists have it all wrong: The fetus is treated by the abortionist as property to be disposed of by the mother (guardian) and not as a person who has a right to life.

A disabled person like Terri draws forth from her caregivers, in a way no one else can, caring, compassion, sacrifice, tenderness, selflessness, commitment,... This in itself gives her life value because she enables others to truly love, and to love is the greatest of virtues.

It is also interesting that Terri, in her present state, is having a huge impact on the consideration of prebirth right to life and also quality of life of the disabled. Continued prayer is needed for her and her situation.

12 posted on 10/29/2003 1:45:13 PM PST by Dusty Rose
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To: nickcarraway
As a disabled person, I applaud these agencies for giving their voices in support of Terri. I am 28 years old now. My disability (cerebral palsy causing extreme difficulty walking and breathing problems) will, according to my doctors, cause me to become unable to use my legs, basically becoming wheelchair-bound and unable to move on my own by the time I am between the age of 50-55. I have been following this case very closely since I first heard about it. It is worrying me, because if Terri's husband gets his way I really feel that it will become the precedent in these types of cases. If it can happen to Terri (who, in my opinion based on seeing photos and clips of her is NOT "permanently brain-dead"), it can happen to me or any of us in the future. I certainly would not want to be starved to death over the span of weeks until I died because I was "undesirable" to someone, or to society. Which is why this case is so important to me and other disabled people. I also commend you people who are fighting for Terri- I just hope that when my time comes, and other disabled people's times of trouble come, that you will continue to fight for us. It is very much appreciated, and I thank you all. However- the important thing now is to fight for Terri, so that we hopefully never even have to worry about this happening to anyone again in the future.

Rich
13 posted on 10/29/2003 2:07:33 PM PST by richmwill
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To: nickcarraway
Here's a comment I received from Chris Hansen who freeped Gary Condit with us in Modesto:

So if someone decides that for my own good, my blindness makes me better off dead, I get terminated? I want to live thank you very much!!! Chris Hansen

14 posted on 10/29/2003 2:33:34 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: richmwill
I would give anything to be able to care for my husband ,like MS could have chosen to care for Terri. But my DH had a living will, and I was bound by his decision. I feel that I was hurried into an irrevocable life-and-death decision by the doctors and by his own family, but that's neither here nor there : Terri, to judge by the videos, is far more responsive to people and her surroundings than was my husband, on that last terrible day-and her heart beats on its own, her lungs operate on their own, and at least some doctors believe that as she does not drool, she can be trained to eat by mouth. While her life is not one I would have wanted for my DH, or would want for myself, in absence of a written directive from Terri, her family should have the opportunity to care for her till the NATURAL end of her ligfe-and as her heart and lungs are working ,that death should not be the result of slow starvation and dehydration.
15 posted on 10/29/2003 2:41:40 PM PST by kaylar
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To: kaylar
This is exactly what worries me the most about this case- There is NO signed living will, by Terri, saying that she wanted to be removed from life-support if something were to happen to her. Her husband and his supporters are going on an assumption, something that she may or may not have said. And something that there is no proof that she did say. Anybody could use that excuse, it's just crazy that it is being followed. It would be like, for example- if I accidentally hit someone with my car, and killed them, if I went into court and said "Well- I heard from a friend of the victim. He said the victim mentioned one time, I forget how long ago, that he was depressed and had suicidal thoughts, so it's OK that I killed him, right?". I would expect to be convicted of vehicular homocide if I did that, because it is not a rational thing to do- to base your actions on what someone MAY have said. So how is this case any different? And, for what you did for your husband, in respecting his true wishes- I commend you. I know it must have been a horrible situation, but you did the right thing, since he did have a living will and those were his wishes. What Michael is doing, however- in my opinion, it is dead-wrong.

Rich
16 posted on 10/29/2003 5:03:29 PM PST by richmwill
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To: Dusty Rose
A disabled person like Terri draws forth from her caregivers, in a way no one else can, caring, compassion, sacrifice, tenderness, selflessness, commitment,... This in itself gives her life value because she enables others to truly love, and to love is the greatest of virtues.

Needs saying again (and again).

17 posted on 10/29/2003 5:21:03 PM PST by Valpal1 (Impeach the 9th! Please!!)
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To: richmwill
Rich --- excellent points above!
19 posted on 10/29/2003 5:37:04 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: nickcarraway
Just call whatever you want "medical treatment" and you have a license to kill. I picture them campaigning against diabetics because insulin is medical treatment.

We must stop these evil, death squads asap. They've gotten to the judicial branches of govt. but we still have hope that our legislative branch and governors haven't sampled the killer koolaid - yet.

20 posted on 10/29/2003 6:06:58 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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Just call whatever you want "medical treatment" and you have a license to kill. I picture them campaigning against diabetics because insulin is medical treatment

Exactly on the money, you are, FV.

21 posted on 10/29/2003 7:36:25 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: nickcarraway
Disabled Are Fearful: Who Will Be Next?
Thy better be fearful, because if the courts are allowed to kill Terri, it won't be long before the courts start working on them.

Also the unemployed, retired, and people on welfare had better start looking over thier shoulder.

I understand. It will never happen here. They are only going to kill the old who have miles and miles of tubing connecting them to the machines.

Well, the citizens in Holland and Denmark bought the line about the old people that were connected to machines would be better off dead and allowed the government to kill them.

Now the old people who are relatively are afraid to go to the doctor for fear that the doctors will kill them.

Can it happen here? Ask any farmer or rancher whose dog has killed aheep or chicken, and once it has tasted the blood, if it stops at just killing one. It will continue to kill until it is killed.

Government killing works on the same principle. Start with the obvious, unborn and partiallly babies, the very old, and work on down.

One exception: The execution of cold blooded murderers.
22 posted on 10/29/2003 8:03:59 PM PST by sport
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To: nickcarraway
Perhaps Christopher Reeves? Or Stepehn Hawkins - I don't think he's dead yet ... if he is, hey maybe according to plublic sentiment, being disabled then he should have been starved to death like they're trying with Terri.
23 posted on 10/29/2003 8:07:36 PM PST by nmh
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To: richmwill
If you will notice, she did not want to die until he got his money from the lawsuit.

People have asked, "Is Michael lying?"

I ask, "Has Michael ever told the truth?"
24 posted on 10/29/2003 8:08:09 PM PST by sport
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks for posting. This is a powerful commentary, here is more of what he had to say:

[ I was born brain-damaged as a result of a forceps delivery. The doctor told my parents I would be a "vegetable" for the rest of my life — the same word now being used for Schiavo — and that the best thing would be for nature to take its course. They refused. Although I had a lot of health problems, surgeries and pain as a child, I went on to lead a happy life. ]
25 posted on 10/29/2003 8:14:19 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: floriduh voter
These Dr. Mengele death squads have been around for awhile. Here is more from the article:

[ Up until the mid-1980s, U.S. pediatrics journals routinely published reports on the selection criteria used to determine which disabled infants born in hospitals would be left to die.

One of the most notorious incidents involved a team at Oklahoma Children's Hospital in the late 1970s that used a "quality of life" formula for children born with spina bifida that factored in the parents' economic and educational level. Poor and uneducated parents and those on public assistance were more frequently advised to not treat their children. Twenty-four babies with spina bifida died, mostly from untreated infections. Not one person on the medical team was charged with a crime.

About 20 years ago, a hospital staff in Indiana was starving an infant with Down's syndrome. A whistle-blower alerted authorities, and the district attorney went to court to order hydration. The judge refused. Public comment supported the idea that "difficult" decisions like starving disabled infants were best left to the privacy of doctor-parent consultation.

In spite of that, enough of the public was sufficiently outraged to create a stir that cut across the political spectrum in Washington. As a result, congressional legislation was drafted to prevent medical killings of disabled infants.

The legislation, which ultimately was passed, was decried by bioethicists, physicians and others as an attack on both the medical profession and the privacy of family decisions. As a result of the passage of the law, though, more of us avoided getting killed in hospital nurseries through denial of treatment. ]
26 posted on 10/29/2003 8:16:29 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: richmwill
I'm in the same position you are. I'm 33, have multiple sclerosis and doctors told me I can look forward to the next 50 years slowly becoming more and more disabled. My grandmother (has MS too, can't figure this out) sends me magazines showing MS patients in wheelchairs and in the disabled olympics (skis specially fastened to themselves).

This kind of thinking scares the *&*^ out of me... I guess according to the left I'm not worth the time and effort. Maybe if I had breast cancer they'd hold a rally for me?

According to some of them I should have just been murdered in the womb, if there was a way to predict who would have MS or CP or anything else some of us end up with. Thank God my husband doesn't feel the same. Both of us pray for Terri and her family.

And pray that we are able to maintain the sanctity of life position over the quality of life position in our society. Who is anyone to tell me what my QUALITY of life is? Or you?


Thank YOU.

27 posted on 10/29/2003 9:35:22 PM PST by cgk (Bennett / Krauthammer: "When in doubt, you MUST opt for Life")
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To: cgk
Because since you are not 100% perfect in some eyes you can't possibly know that you life is meaningless. When I was growing up I kept hearing from adults that to become parents it should be licensed. The problem I saw was who decides who should and should not be licensed.

I am the parent of an autistic child who can drive dead people to drink He is now 12 and has COME further then I ever thought he would. His "normal" school gave up on him. Now he is doing math problems where he has to borrow.

Our society has become expedient and if you hold us down you got to go...IMHO.

Thank God you and your Grandmother are part of this life :)
28 posted on 11/15/2003 4:54:21 AM PST by Mfkmmof4
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To: nickcarraway

The full article can be read here:
http://www.talkabouthealthnetwork.com/group/misc.handicap/messages/51669.html


29 posted on 02/18/2005 10:20:29 AM PST by ncdave4life
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