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To: logic101.net
What needs to happen is the folks who have lost their homes or, worse yet, family members need to sue the environmental groups that sued to prevent logging or thinning even of dead trees in the area where the fire occurred. 66% of thinning and brush removal projects were held up by environmentalist lawsuits which were later thrown out, but substantial delays happened and dollars that could have been spent on removal of brush and trees was spent on lawyering.

If a few class action suits are successful against enviro-groups, they won't be able to get insurance and will cease to operate (like the doctors) in that state.
2 posted on 10/30/2003 3:50:46 AM PST by finnsheep
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To: finnsheep
The main support for enviral groups came in the form of control. Everybody that wished to show that they had the means to control joined the enviral bandwagon. Politicians, elite, rich contributors, socialists, joined to exhibit their power to control. They forget that Mother Nature had more power than they, if She decided to go on a rampage. The "greenest" of all states has been the victim.

This does not take into account the damage that has been suffered over a longer period of time in many other settings, against many other victims. The ebb and flow of the many victims dispossessed in other enviromental mistakes has been unnoticed because of the small number involved at any given time. It took California to bring attention to the disaster our enviromental laws have caused.

5 posted on 10/30/2003 4:26:25 AM PST by meenie
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To: finnsheep
If any federal prosecutor in Southern California had sufficient courage, they'd get a federal grand jury to look at the forest service bureaucracy, "environmental groups", and politicians that have produced this "the only good trees are dead, dying, or spewing smoke" federal forest management policy. Was mismanagement deliberate for the purpose of increasing management costs? Who benefits from increased management costs? Was mismanagement deliberate to make well managed foreign government, corporate, and privately owned forests more valuable? Who pays politicians and "environmental groups" to promote disastrous environmental policies on federal forest land?

What federal forest managers, "environmental groups", and powerful politicians are doing to federal forests for the financial benefit of themselves, as well as foreign government, corporate, and private forest land owners, should be seen as fraud and a criminal conspiracy.
10 posted on 10/30/2003 6:27:05 AM PST by yoswif
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To: finnsheep
What needs to happen is the folks who have lost their homes or, worse yet, family members need to sue the environmental groups that sued to prevent logging or thinning even of dead trees in the area where the fire occurred. 66% of thinning and brush removal projects were held up by environmentalist lawsuits which were later thrown out, but substantial delays happened and dollars that could have been spent on removal of brush and trees was spent on lawyering.

The environmental groups are exempt from lawsuit. Clinton invoked EO-12986 to indemnify members of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN) from all civil liability. The IUCN is essentially the EPA of the UN. Bush has not rescinded that EO.

15 posted on 10/30/2003 8:41:45 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: finnsheep
Interesting take; use their own weapons against them. I like it! My second published ltr to the editor in the local rag was about the tobacco law suits titled "who's job next". I really like your idea of bringing that scheme back on them!

Mark A Sity
16 posted on 10/30/2003 8:51:31 AM PST by logic101.net (http://www.logic101.net/)
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