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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)
Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Budge
Nice work!!
351 posted on 10/31/2003 12:05:53 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: Ethan_Allen
I do not know squat about a computer....what are "mirror links"? I have seen drudge or someone link to those - I guess what I am trying to ask is, if someone finds something, can it be copied to a mirror site and linked so it can't be removed? Only if what I am asking is legal of course. Am I even asking the right question??
352 posted on 10/31/2003 12:06:35 PM PST by PeyersPatches (I have intestinal fortitude)
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To: Republic
Short article on Demers on link I just posted.
353 posted on 10/31/2003 12:07:39 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Republic
First Budge-just want to say I love you. Always have.

Bless your heart!! Ditto!

And while I'm not on the scene I'll call anyway...IF I can find his number.

354 posted on 10/31/2003 12:11:40 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Republic
PING to my 346 here.
355 posted on 10/31/2003 12:15:37 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
Please add me to your ping list. Thanks
356 posted on 10/31/2003 12:21:13 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: Republic; All
Judge Demers FAX number: 727-582-7210
357 posted on 10/31/2003 12:22:37 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty; All
I have been staying away the Teri threads because I get to angry I mean really angry.

However I do care about and certainly have Teri in my prayers.

Bottom line though can someone tell me short and to the point how is Teri?

Is she recieving her G tube feedings ok?

Is she out of danger from Micheal euthenizing (sp) her?

Thanks to all who are fighting/advocating for her.
358 posted on 10/31/2003 12:30:58 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: pickyourpoison
I posted a link in post #294 where doctors liabilities can be checked. Dr. Igel was one of her doctors and according to the info on that site Dr. Igel paid out 2,000,000 on 1/20/1993 for something that occurred on 2/02/1990 Would that be about the time when this happened to Terri Her other doctor, Dr. Prawer paid out 250,000 about the same time.

Hmmmm, yes that would be about right, timewise. The Schindler's response to LKL interview said that Michael received the settlement money in January of 1993, and Terri's collapse was in Feb. of 1990. Now, Michael and Terri's malpractice lawyers probably got about a third of that (I think that's pretty standard?), so they would have ended up with about $1.3M from Igel. Prower paid out $250,000, but subtract lawyers fees and their payout there would be about $162,500, so total to trust account from malpractice suits would be about $1,462,500. Add to that another $50,000 from community fundraising, and that matches pretty well with what's on Terrisfight.org as to what went into the trust fund.
359 posted on 10/31/2003 12:38:04 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: oceanperch
I don't think she can ever be out of danger until George W. Greer (and Demers too) are removed from her case. Pinellas Co. seems to be a very corrupt part of FL, with the judges and the sheriff all being a party to plans to kill this disabled woman. In many way, none of this makes any sense at all.

Perhaps those who murder a spouse, rather than divorce them and, in the liberals' language "move on," are doing so for financial reasons. Such people consider the cost of a divorce so unacceptable that they would instead murder a former "loved one."
360 posted on 10/31/2003 12:44:09 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Demers is defying FL law by NOT yet having appointed a guardian ad litem. Why can't he be impeached for disobeying a state law? I suspect that he will be nothing more than a carbon copy of George W. Greer.
361 posted on 10/31/2003 12:44:58 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Snykerz
Catherine Jerger is a business partner, at least on paper. The business is apparently run from Michael and Jodi's home.
362 posted on 10/31/2003 12:46:01 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: aristeides
If there were a special election, can you imagine the tears of liberal outrage from the likes of Janet Reno? The liberals would be lambasting the "expense" of such a special election all to keep a "vegetable" alive who does not know that she is even "living." Larry King would probably have a show to demonstrate to how much Terri has "cost" the state of FL thus far and how it would be "humane" to "let your soul escape her dying body." Liberals would eat up that kind of rhetoric up.

363 posted on 10/31/2003 12:47:22 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Krodg
Could you supply a link to that info? It's very interesting and I've never seen where Jodi worked for the Jergers before.
364 posted on 10/31/2003 12:50:32 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: oceanperch
Terri is doing well, according to her parents, who ARE being allowed to at least see her daily now. Yes, she is being fed and no, she is not out of danger from the HINO who is busy in court trying to not only have Terri's Law overturned as being "unconstitutional" but is trying to block the appointment of a guardian ad litum pending the "overturning" of the law, which so many people seem to think is a given. Terri's parents/attorney have challenged the appointment of Jay Wolfson who had been proposed as GAL, due to his obvious pro-death stance and disagreement with Terri's Law.

Meanwhile, Michael Schiavo has been on television and made a complete @ss of himself to the point that anybody with a brain could pick apart all the lies, not to mention that he revealed himself pretty blatantly, in my opinion, as a callous and unfeeling person at many levels, and was clearly nervous at the prospect that at some point he might be expected to prove some of what he was claiming.

The good news, besides the fact that Terri is doing well and has apparently not suffered damage to her organs as a result of the most recent attempt on her life, is that there are now some big legal guns getting involved on Terri's behalf, including the ACLJ. There was another one, but I forgot what it is. Perhaps someone else could post that.

There are still many FReepers diligently researching and passing information on to where it needs to be and we are all doing what we can to circulate information to dispel the myths and downright lies that are circulating around out there regarding the case.

I guess that is pretty much the overview. maybe others will add to what I have posted. Unfortunately, without reading the threads, many of the details get lost. I can certainly understand your reasoning in not wanting to do so though. I keep my TV off most of the time any more for the same reason.

365 posted on 10/31/2003 12:52:21 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: oceanperch
From what I've heard via the 'net, Terri is looking more and more like she did before the tube was removed. I don't think she'll be out of danger until Michael is removed as guardian, and who knows how long that will be? Maybe never as long as Greer is the judge handling this. Keep checking in from time to time, and someone will surely update you, and thanks for keeping her in your heart.
366 posted on 10/31/2003 12:55:43 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Ohioan from Florida
http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html

Type in Jergens under Corporation Inquiry. Then click on Jergens & Sons and read the documents listed.

BTW....I'm aware that the name on the records is misspelled but the address is the same as those on the Real Estate records in an earlier post.

367 posted on 10/31/2003 12:58:04 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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Oops...shouldn't talk on the phone and type...that should be Jergers...sorry
368 posted on 10/31/2003 1:01:05 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: texasbluebell; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; ...
I see that ignorance marches on.

Majority Would Remove Schiavo's Feeding Tube (Fox News)

If you want on or off the Terri's Army ping list, please let me know.

369 posted on 10/31/2003 1:10:39 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Does anyone have the email for FoxNews management? I'm disgusted with this poll.
370 posted on 10/31/2003 1:15:19 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you.
371 posted on 10/31/2003 1:16:51 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sweetliberty
I'm beginning to get ticked off at Fox. What do they have, liberals marxists as researchers?
372 posted on 10/31/2003 1:16:59 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Krodg; syriacus; dandelion; tutstar; All
Thanks! That's exactly what I've been looking for! Here's the link for those of you who'd like to see it, too. If you go down to the bottom you can see copies of annual reports, and Jodi is listed on some of them. So that's where the connection between Michael & Jerger is. Let's keep hunting to see if we can find anything more on what kind of insurance Jerger & Centonze work with. http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=220531&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0000&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=JERGER&r5=
373 posted on 10/31/2003 1:17:48 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: FR_addict
Call 1-212-301-3000 to complain about the poll to FOX News. They have a comment line. Follow instructions.
374 posted on 10/31/2003 1:18:39 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for the update on Terri. BUT

We must ALL call FOX News 1-212-301-3000 and complain about the poll LOUDLY! Demand that they retract this story IMMEDIATELY!!
375 posted on 10/31/2003 1:23:39 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
We must ALL call FOX News 1-212-301-3000 and complain about the poll LOUDLY! Demand that they retract this story IMMEDIATELY!! The questions posed were false. Sheeeeeesh!!
376 posted on 10/31/2003 1:25:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you for the recap, sweetliberty. I want to linger on these threads for hours, but am so grateful to you guys for keeping up with MS and his gang. You are doing a great job.

If there's ever an emergency, please ping me. Thank you!

377 posted on 10/31/2003 1:26:02 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Saddam Hussein is not running Iraq. He is not butchering tens of thousands of people." Rummy,10/27)
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To: cyn
NOTHING has happened in the intervening years to change her from the beautiful woman in the wheelchair getting her hair done to who she is today -- except lack of TLC. If she improves beyond that, fine; if not -- she's fine, anyway.

Bump!

378 posted on 10/31/2003 1:27:20 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Saddam Hussein is not running Iraq. He is not butchering tens of thousands of people." Rummy,10/27)
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To: tutstar
This is from the 3-part series by Newsday: http://www.evelynmartens.ca/en-newsday-030413.html

"Terri and Jackie were clerks at the local office for Prudential Insurance, minding the public counter where people usually came in to change beneficiaries or pay premiums."

So Prudential was her employer, so it is reasonable to assume they were also the insurance carrier.
379 posted on 10/31/2003 1:34:51 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: sweetliberty
3/4 of those taking the poll were casting their votes with the assumption that Terri is " Vegetative, non responsive, " Its the image the media is feeding them.....even FOX NEWS has done it!!
380 posted on 10/31/2003 1:38:29 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Yes, the Michael/Jerger link comes through Jodi...but why?

Most employers wouldn't allow an employee to use their name in a company and agree to be directors without some kind of tie. What's the connection there?

381 posted on 10/31/2003 1:41:49 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I talked to someone at FOX NEWS who answered and told HER! Should I have left a comment somewhere too??
382 posted on 10/31/2003 1:42:36 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Theodore R.
Demers' intransigence here leads me to believe that it is just a matter of time before Terri is again dehydrated and starved. I don't think all our tears and outcry will prevent this third attempt at execution. Or as the Floridians call it -- the "exit protocol."
383 posted on 10/31/2003 1:46:15 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: pollywog
Would this be a good email address to try.

I found it on their site

Speakout@foxnews.com
384 posted on 10/31/2003 1:48:55 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: iowamomforfreedom
So Prudential was her employer, so it is reasonable to assume they were also the insurance carrier.

Does this mean that two doctors (one settled) and the insurance provider were sued?

If an insurance company held both medical and life insurance policies on one person...could they cancel the life ins. after being sued for liabilty on the medical? Just wondering if this is why Michael claims there is no life ins?

Perhaps he doesn't know how 'snoopy' a freeper can be.

385 posted on 10/31/2003 1:51:29 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: Krodg
Some have said that he may have a double-indemnity "accidental" policy on Terri and may try to collect on grounds that an "accident" caused her to collapse, and the dehydration and starvation is the "natural" result of that accident.

This is one sick individual, and one sick society that "endorses" him, according to the Fox News Poll.
386 posted on 10/31/2003 1:54:48 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
Demers chooses Wolfson:

Today, Judge Demers has appointed Dr. Jay Wolfson as Guardian ad Litem to Terri Schindler-Schiavo, despite the suggestion of bias from Terri's family.
Judge Demer's order is here.

Suggestion of bias is here.

If you have any questions or if you are unable to download these files directly, please don't hesitate to contact me personally.

Pamela F. Hennessy - Media Volunteer
Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
727-445-1766
www.terrisfight.org
387 posted on 10/31/2003 2:08:40 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: Theodore R.
Some have said that he may have a double-indemnity "accidental" policy on Terri and may try to collect on grounds that an "accident" caused her to collapse, and the dehydration and starvation is the "natural" result of that accident.

It seems to me that once he filed a malpractrice suit claiming 'medical' reasons and the jury determined 70 percent was her fault..he cannot claim an accident! Besides..I thought double-indemity was life insurance and Michael said she had none....

388 posted on 10/31/2003 2:16:10 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: Krodg
Some posters have speculated that he has some kind of life insurance on Terri that he is not disclosing. Of course, Schiavo has said that he has no life insurance. Who would believe Schiavo? Well, 61 percent of the American people, I guess? Not I!!!
389 posted on 10/31/2003 2:17:21 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: pc93
Seems as if God (who seems to be the only one who can do it) doesn't knock the criminally liberal kangaroo court down to size, Terri will be doomed, along with anyone else who poses a threat to them. What the is it about "conflict of interests" that these dont understand? It doesn't take a legal scholar to recognize how much the deck is being stacked against Terri and her family. Heck, the average grade school kid with a pair of eyes and a normal IQ could see it, given a few basic facts of this case.
390 posted on 10/31/2003 2:21:07 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: pc93
So what can be done to get Wolfson removed as guardian ad litem? He is already on record as opposed to the Schindlers? This is another outrage from the FL judiciary.
391 posted on 10/31/2003 2:21:11 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
This Demers has named a GAL consistent with the Schiavo-Greer forces. Is that what's "Terri's Law" was supposed to do? Why is there no investigation into this case from the state of FL? It's like these liberal judges are untouchable.
392 posted on 10/31/2003 2:30:03 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
I suspect that if Terri suddenly got out of bed and tried to walk outside that hospice that the GAL Wolfson would call her deranged and recommend immediate removal of the feeding tube no matter what progress she might make.
393 posted on 10/31/2003 2:31:03 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty; 4Godsoloved..Hegave
It sure is -- thanks to 4Godsoloved..Hegave who found it & posted it in #278.

"Mrs. Schiavo... underwent surgery, performed by Dr. Yoshio Hosobuchi of the University of California at San Francisco in December, to implant a stimulator in her brain. The brain stimulator implant was a success, said her husband, Mike. Mrs. Schiavo is slowly emerging from the coma at the Mediplex Medical Center, a neurological care center in Bradenton, he said. She will undergo at least a year of speech, occupational and physical therapy."
394 posted on 10/31/2003 2:34:31 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1067639643299702.xml

"In Terri Schiavo's case, Wolfson will not represent her interests and he is limited in reporting to the governor the value of giving Schiavo tests to see if she can be rehabilitated and summarizing the decade-long legal battle between her husband and parents. Demers ordered Wolfson to report to the governor in 30 days, but said the deadline could be extended if needed..."

395 posted on 10/31/2003 2:46:43 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Theodore R.
I heard a lawyer for Michael Schiavo on one of the talk shows Sunday deny he has insurance. Something about that denial struck me as being a bit too lawyerly. I suspect Michael Schiavo has something that they are able to claim is not insurance.
396 posted on 10/31/2003 2:57:44 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Really, really nice work, Ohioan from Florida!!
397 posted on 10/31/2003 3:11:03 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: sweetliberty; Republic; pollywog; Budge; sarasmom; floriduh voter
The Fox Poll with its loaded false Question just makes me sick. We are obviously not getting enough information out to the media.

Instead of sending one info pack to each network, we should probably be bombarding every newscaster and every talk show host at every station. There is clearly no internal communication at these networks.

We need to sway public opinion with the truth. Everything else will follow.
398 posted on 10/31/2003 3:17:10 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: TaxRelief
We need to sway public opinion with the truth. Everything else will follow.

Damn straight.

399 posted on 10/31/2003 3:20:16 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: cyn
She will undergo at least a year of speech, occupational and physical therapy

WHAT? Does the doc who performed this procedure know that MS is going around calling it a failure?

400 posted on 10/31/2003 3:22:09 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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