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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)
Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: floriduh voter
George Greer - divorced three times.

This alone ought to be enough reason to disqualify him for sitting on cases where marital matters do or could have an impact. Michael cheating on Terri? NO PROBLEMO!

551 posted on 10/31/2003 10:58:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: floriduh voter
They brought Terri's brain scans to that press conference which were quite different than the one scan held up by Felos on Larry King Live the other night.

I'll just bet they were.

552 posted on 10/31/2003 11:00:08 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: sweetliberty
It seemed that anytime I would entertain thoughts of ending the relationship (which was often), he would hit me with such remarks about how I was so fat that nobody else would have me. At the time I weighed 99 pounds (I am 5'1"). I sometimes had to buy pants in the children's department...and yet, he had a real talent for getting me so down on myself that it took the attention off getting away from him, at least temporarily. One thing I can say is that any female who has ever made the mistake of getting involved with such a man and gotten out, can spot the type a mile away. Michael Schiavo is the type!

What a cruel loser was that boyfiend [sic].

553 posted on 10/31/2003 11:02:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
but a speech pathologist later determined she could not be rehabilitated enough to swallow.

Huh? Talking is not swallowing or vice versa.

Speech pathologists work with feeding issues as well as speech. Not unusual.
Either is the findings of that result. Everyone in the Felos camp has Terri dead and incapable of anything.

SAD,SAD,SAD!

554 posted on 10/31/2003 11:04:08 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:)
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To: tutstar; 4Godsoloved..Hegave
Hi, tutstar -- for the record -- that was initially posted by 4Godsoloved..Hegave at #278 and pinged me . I just repeated it and have had it on my mind ever since.

Thanks SO much for the ping, 4God -- keep it up, there's so much to be brought to light. I just don't understand why it wasn't shouted earlier.

For example, WHY did the St. Pete paper repeatly use the word "coma" to describe a woman who looked like THIS? (1990, St. Pete Times):

and THIS (date unknown, early 90's) and THIS? (2002):

555 posted on 10/31/2003 11:11:43 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
I too tend to think that the time for any faith in our current government has passed and that Terri's death if it happens may just be the Dread Scott descision that brings about CWII.
556 posted on 10/31/2003 11:12:50 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: Saundra Duffy; phenn
I know! I know! That's what I wonder, too. Has anyone asked? Surely can't be oblivious to Terri's situation now!
557 posted on 10/31/2003 11:13:49 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
well, HI there! Thanks so much (again) for pinging me to that post yesterday. Like others, I plan to put together to send off.

The pictures above are further proof that felos' camp is oh-so-wrong. At what point will they become afraid, as the truth comes out? It SHOULD have happened 10 yrs ago.
558 posted on 10/31/2003 11:18:28 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: WackySam
thank you! I just spent some time today reading up more on our capabilities w/new setup. Archives are crucial -- for proof, just see the above pictures!

We need to always keep URL with our snippets so others can confirm & put w/other info -- note to self, as info piles up!
559 posted on 10/31/2003 11:23:41 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: texasbluebell; All; Ragtime Cowgirl; pc93; EternalVigilance; nutmeg; PhiKapMom; summer; ...
Please ping your lists to this post. FAMILY FRIENDS MEMO TO TERRI'S SUPPORTERS:

10/31/2003, All Hallows' Eve, Evening Prayer Vigils Resume

As you know, Mr. Schindler profoundly believes that as a result of your prayers, Terri is still with us today. Currently, legal proceedings have begun for Mr. and Mrs. Schindlers' fight for guardianship of Terri. In addition, the Schindlers are fighting Attorney George Felos' attempt to challenge the constitutionality of Terri's Law. The American Center for Law and Justice is joining the Schindler family and their local attorney in this regard and wish to uphold Terri's Law. We are very encouraged by this!

Many calls have been received by the public asking, "What is going on now?" and "What can we do?" Prayer is the most powerful weapon we have in the battle for Terri's life. Please continue to pray, and if you are able, visit the site of the vigil once again. Many of us are peacefully lighting candles at dusk Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings each week to pray for both Terri's healing and for her protection. This prayer has given this fight for Terri's life the momentum it gravely needed. We are asking for your perpetual support. Please tell all your friends, church members, prayer groups, sports teams, class mates, and families that we need your help. Terri cannot speak for herself yet and it seems that the siege is just beginning after thirteen long years.

The location of the hospice vigils is 6774 102nd Avenue North, Pinellas Park, Florida.

Mr. and Mrs. Schindler will be on Larry King next Thursday. We don't believe the official release has been given on this, but stay tuned for further updates. This is the best information we have at this point.

On behalf of Terri and her family, thank you and God bless you.

Many blessings, Friends of Terri

FV: Ditto re: Pops Schindler

560 posted on 10/31/2003 11:24:49 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: cyn
Those photos are witness to a great injustice that has been allowed to fester for far too long.
561 posted on 10/31/2003 11:25:58 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: All
From http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/FedCourtDktCaseNo8_03-cv-1860-T-26TGW.txt

"39. Schiavo has willfully, deliberately and maliciously abused that special
relationship and acted to deprive Terri of her constitutional rights under
color of state law, his malice being shown by his contradiction of sworn
testimony to a jury that he would care for Terri for the rest of his life; his
"Do Not Resuscitate" order for a ward who is not terminally ill; his attempt
to deprive his own wife of the most basic care and therapy; his demand that
Terri's guardian ad litem be removed; his decade-long campaign of
deliberately degrading Terri's neurological responses by a calculated plan of
sensory deprivation; his looting of Terri's guardianship estate for attorney
fees in the effort to have her killed, contrary to his promises to the jury
about how the money would be used; and his cohabitation with another
woman, during which he has fathered two children out of wedlock."
562 posted on 10/31/2003 11:35:43 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: syriacus
Ya know, I read your post earlier this morning, er, yesterday morning, as I skimmed through the thread.

But it *didn't sink in* until after hrs of looking at other stuff, then I read the St. Pete article myself and picked out the same thing -- IT IS DIFFERENT! Michael "saw" Terri fall?? he awoke to go to the bathroom? HE SAW?? that's the first I've seen that!

SO -- a day later, I have a "DOH!" reaction -- having posted this onto another thread several hours ago. But it has made a deeper impression on me as a result. I note you did not get other responses x for fv; but this IS significant.

Note the pictures, too -- Terri THEN (early 90's w/Michael, hair done, in wheelchair) = Terri NOW. Why can't the St. Pete Times put that together, ask some questions? They need to take this more seriously -- the rest of the world is!

ALL NEWCOMES -- reprint of syriacus' post #257:

"I don't know where the St. P times got their information for this---

From Deciding the Fate of Terri, By ANITA KUMAR, © St. Petersburg Times, published January 25, 2000

On Feb. 25, 1990, Michael Schiavo woke up about 5 a.m. to use the bathroom. That's when he saw his wife fall on the floor. Her heart stopped beating and she was deprived of oxygen for five minutes before she was taken to the hospital.

257 posted on 10/31/2003 7:29 AM PST by syriacus"
563 posted on 10/31/2003 11:51:57 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: lady lawyer

"I could make insulting ad hominem remarks about people developing sweeping opinions on topics they don't understand at all, but I won't."

Please, unleash your vastly superior word-power!
I can take it, I promise!

BTW, I live in Florida.I became aware of the "Terri Schiavo Case" in 1995.I think it highly likely that I know more about this "topic" than do you.
The first clue is, that I do not consider her, "Terri Schiavo" a "topic".

Have you ever entertained the possibillity that your shallow, "considered expertise" on this "topic" is less than worthless?

Consider this-
I very much resent the fact that people like you are free to spout ignorant anti-society crap,because I, and people like me, laid our arses on the line for freedom and justice for all.

Do NOT sleep well tonight.
Who in the world would risk death for your "cause" ?
People like you are fraudulently riding the coat-tails of those people who still believe the USA is worth fighting for.











564 posted on 11/01/2003 12:00:10 AM PST by sarasmom (Pray for TerriSchiavo. Everything I post is my opinion, unless otherwise stipulated.)
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To: All
I was working on checking out Wolfson, and I couldn't come up with anything. Although I got to his web site at USF, it really didn't provide much value. I didn't get to read any of his publications, no links worked.

But back to my original point, he is the Guardian ad Litim and he isn't even an M.D.
565 posted on 11/01/2003 12:00:40 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: cyn
On Feb. 25, 1990, Michael Schiavo woke up about 5 a.m. to use the bathroom. That's when he saw his wife fall on the floor.

Of all times Terri might happen to fall on the floor, she just happened to pick a time that bully (er, hubby) dearest happened to make a nocturnal trip to the pot. And our resident ghouls don't think that is fishy?

566 posted on 11/01/2003 12:54:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Coral Snake
Dred Scott? What Dred Scott? Anyone with a brain now surely knows that family values whose privacy should be protected include starving a disabled wife to death! Just as anyone with a brain back then surely knew that the Negro race would never equal the Caucasian and would always be the Benevolent White Man's Burden!

</IRONY>
567 posted on 11/01/2003 12:59:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: floriduh voter
I wonder why Terri stopped treating at Mediplex. Maybe she was actually making progress and that was against Michael's wishes. -- also #525:

I've wondered the same thing -- see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1012578/posts-- I posted the pictures of Terri before the '92 trial -- she's no different now than she was then! And see #25 from FL engineer -- the PDF on Terri's status pre-'92 trial.

568 posted on 11/01/2003 1:20:48 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer; tutstar; floriduh voter; sweetliberty; Graymatter; texasbluebell
THIS is what FL engineer mentioned on another thread earlier:

Terri exam info from 6/90 & 3&6/91

===BEGIN 6/27/90 physical exam, pg 1/3

Physical Examination -- 6 - 27 - 90

*patient is awake, eyes are open
*easily startled to her name or when bedrail fell down
*no respiratory distress, breathing easily
*pupils are equal and reactive
*just short focusing attention, does not track, keeps her head to the position on the right
*significant amount of tone in the head and neck.
*reflex and voluntary movement of her mouth in a chewing reflex
*T-tube in place & working properly
*severe hypertonicity of all four extremities; plantar flexor contractures, some shoulder limitation
*“again, tone is quite significant in all four extremities and difficult to achieve range of motion of the left hip and knee while she is in a supine position.”
*pt is awake
*she does give eye contact to family members
*she will close her eyes to any threatening response around her face and blink appropriately
*tracking is inconsistent
*no verbal output during this exam but it has been reported by husband and other family members and therapists over at College Harbor.
*no voluntary movement on command
*responds to painful stimulation. . . cont on next page . . . [there is no next page]

===END 6/27/90 physical exam

===Begin Treatment plan pg 2/3

Treatment Plan Review from Mediplex rehab, Bradenton, 1/29/91

*PT 3 X wk due to decreased range of motion in legs.
OT [occupational therapy] modified splints, will look at __ on lap tray.
*Will check at head rest also

Cognitive/Communication:
*no significant changes.
*Vocalizing when prone in P.T. [physical therapy]
*Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.
*to TR [recreation?] groups. More relaxed to therapists voice, touch (habituation)

===END Treatment plan

===BEGIN therapy notes, pg 3/3 PDF

3-15-91 Monthly summary ---

Ms. Schiavo was readministered the sensory stimulation assessment measure on March 13, 1991. The results show a slight increase in a few response areas.

Terry’s [sic] eye-opening responses and motor responses (which increased two points) are now both her strongest response output category. However, the vocalization response modality increased two points also. Terry’s tactile response remained her best sensory input category, as it increased 3 points, the other 4 response categories remained at about the same level.

These slight increases may be a result of the time change. The original test was administered at 8:00 a.m. right after she got up and the second test was given at 4:00 p.m.

Terry’s ocular cranial nerve function was assessed and the results indicated that her pupil sizes were large, she had a very sluggish response to light, the consensual light reflex was present but she had an abnormal response to accommodation, tracking, and a blink reflex. These responses are very similar to last month’s administration.

Overall her general responsivess score increased slightly from 19 to 23, but remains at a __ Level II.

These scores indicate a need for a sensory stimulation program and this is being developed. In addition, the SS_M will be readministered in one month. [signed -- a nice caring person]

3 - 28 - 91 Weekly note: Pt. was seen by psych [psychology? rather than psychiatry, I’m guessing] in the sensory stim program 1 X [one time], program started 3-25-91. The goal was to increase her localized responses to sensory modalities. Her best response was to almond extract (olfactory), otherwise she only responded by opening her eyes briefly.

Summarizing across the interdisciplinary team results show similar findings. In addition, the most response increases was to tactile stimulation. Tx [treatment] plan will be continued. [signed -- nice person helping Terri 12 yrs ago]

===END

Prayerfully submitted in hopes that this will help dear Terri, who is on my mind and heart, and her loving family -- hugs to you all. With prayers also that those planning evil against Terri might have their minds and hearts changed -- God is able. But even if He does not . . .

569 posted on 11/01/2003 1:44:51 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Robert Drobot
And family says furthermore -- when they carefully went over that night & what Bobby saw when he got to their apt -- that she was actually facing or lying in the WRONG direction -- ie, she was on way to bathroom, but she was lying face down w/feet pointing toward bathroom. On a CARPETED floor.

Don't know why this gives 5 min estimate -- I'm suspecting this reporter didn't put much time into this story. I hope the St. Pete Times will realize how very important it is to investigate and publicize Terri's situation. From my lips to God's ear, as they say. . .
570 posted on 11/01/2003 1:51:56 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Theodore R.
I didn't realise this guy was bad news ;(
571 posted on 11/01/2003 1:52:03 AM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: All
It looks like former mayor Ed Koch has flipped and now
supports keeping Terri ALIVE !!!

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1012597/posts?page=1#1
Ending Life Humanely (Ed Koch on Terri Schiavo)
572 posted on 11/01/2003 2:31:49 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: WackySam
>>Please contact me if you have documents that you would like to post but do not trust the source file to stay online

The 3 audio .mp3 files of Terri trying to converse with
her father have been unavailable because the webpage exceeded
its maximum bandwidth for the month. It would be great if
you could get those and repost them...

http://www.friendsofterri.org/audio.html
573 posted on 11/01/2003 2:46:36 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: floriduh voter
Please let them know that everyone's praying and remember
"All things are possible with God"

574 posted on 11/01/2003 3:55:49 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: cyn
Post 259 : You have a beautiful heart, cyn. Good to make your acquaintance.
575 posted on 11/01/2003 3:57:44 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: cyn
Doesn't this group of photos tell the whole story? She obviously has not been comatose and vegetative for 13 years. I wouldn't be surprised if the "loving husband" photo was taken before the awarding of malpractice case. It is heartbreaking to think of what could have been with the therapy she so rightly deserved.
576 posted on 11/01/2003 5:26:37 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: cyn; Budge; Pegita; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; viaveritasvita; Mo1; ...
Ping to post #569.

577 posted on 11/01/2003 5:35:11 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
thanks for the ping sweetliberty.....this is a tragedy what Michael's done to his wife. She could have been vastly improved by now with rehab, had he allowed that to happen.
578 posted on 11/01/2003 5:53:48 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Aliska
On the other hand, maybe she would forgive him. Who knows?

It's hard to predict what would happen.

A Long-Running Morality Play From civil rights to abortion, LI serves as a stage for many heated controversies

Another abortion issue that attracted national attention involved an Upper Brookville man who sought to terminate his comatose wife's pregnancy to improve her chances for recovery.

Nancy Klein, who was 17 weeks pregnant, was in a deep coma after sustaining head injuries in a 1988 auto accident. Two Long Island anti-abortion groups sued for legal guardianship of the woman and her fetus in an effort to block the abortion. After a panel of judges ruled against the activists as "absolute strangers" to the Kleins and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to stop the procedure, the abortion was performed. Nancy Klein partially recovered.

In a less-than-happy ending, her husband, Martin, sued for divorce in 1991.


579 posted on 11/01/2003 5:54:32 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: floriduh voter
Woodworth was also a bureaucrat. He probably knew Attorney Felos and when he was done using Terri as a pawn, handed her over to Felos.

Thank you for the explanation, floriduh voter.

580 posted on 11/01/2003 6:02:26 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: sweetliberty
You have (and are) doing an outstanding job with this thread. Thank you so much for giving all this effort for us and for Terri.

I have been looking for a full transcript of GAL Richard Pearse's report. I haven't been able to tease it out of Google or from FReepers yet. In the opening paragraph of this thread there is a link to "previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr." but it brings up "this document doesn't exist on this server." Do you know what happened with that? Thanks.

581 posted on 11/01/2003 6:28:10 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Sorry to brag so much about my dad but when I saw the M.P.H. I thought my personal background would have value.

Good work. And I'm sure the "person" angle helps.

582 posted on 11/01/2003 6:57:27 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: floriduh voter; sweetliberty; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ..
So what happend to the liberal socialists mantra of, "FEED THE POOR, THE STARVED!"

Uh-huh, I thought so.

583 posted on 11/01/2003 6:58:10 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for the ping. Am sending to my list to keep them vigilant - Terri's not out of the woods until Michael can no longer have any authority over her person or her care. We are slowly winning the war - by keeping this thread up and by putting together the pieces of the story, freepers are showing folks that something is not right here.
584 posted on 11/01/2003 7:05:37 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws and return DUE PROCESS to our citizens))
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To: TigersEye
No I don't. That is the problem with linking to some of these sites, especially if there are some people out there working to thwart our efforts, as some have suggested. FReepers are stepping on some powerful toes. It was posted earlier that these documents should be saved to hard drive before linking so that if the link is lost, the information can still be reposted and I concur with that.

As far as Pearse's report, I believe it is posted in it's entirity on one of these threads, more than once. If I run across it I will link to it.

585 posted on 11/01/2003 7:05:46 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: cyn
Note the pictures, too -- Terri THEN (early 90's w/Michael,

That early picture of Terri and Michael was a surprise to me.

Michael does not look like he is glancing at a dead person or someone in a coma.

How can Michael and Felos go on CNN and say Terri has been dead/comatose/"not there" for 13 years?
(Rhetorical question, of course)

586 posted on 11/01/2003 7:06:37 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: sweetliberty
Should we renew our letter writing and calling efforts asking them to consider this action?

I'm not sure the time is right for that yet. (For one thing, I'd like to have my ideas subjected to criticism and discussion first. Just in case I might be wrong.)

587 posted on 11/01/2003 7:06:41 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Do keep us informed. It looks like it might be a good approach if you can confirm your information.
588 posted on 11/01/2003 7:08:36 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: cyn
Thanks for posting the results of the exam, cyn.

her pupil sizes were large,

Were they large partly due to a drug reaction?

When Terri is examined neurologically, I hope they take blood samples from her to see what drugs actually are in her system. ,(i.e., I hope they don't rely on her medical charts, to determine what is (supposedly) in her blood stream.)

If she is doped-up she might be more sluggish than she would otherwise be.

What is the difference between an injury to the brain which has affected her whole body, and a drug acting on her brain, which is affecting her whole body?

589 posted on 11/01/2003 7:19:28 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: Aliska
The Hippocratic Oath - Original Version

I swear by Apollo the physician and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation.

To reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others.

I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgement, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.

With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons labouring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further, from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves.

Whatever, in connection with my professional service, or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret.

While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times. But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot.

590 posted on 11/01/2003 7:22:00 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
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591 posted on 11/01/2003 7:42:43 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: lady lawyer
I am not a lawyer and know nothing about legalities surrounding trading stocks. I've heard of "insider trading" but know nothing about that.

Please forgive me for picking your brains.

How do you think we should go about checking to see if there was insider trading around the same time that Jerger Insurance being taken over by Philadelphia Consolidated?

And shortly before that, Jerger took over a company run by Steve Beaty...how could we find out if there was insider trading on that?

Or are those types of takeovers done in a way that there would have been no insider trading?

I'm not saying that anyone we've mentioned here on FR was involved in "insider trading" (whatever that is), I'm just asking a general question about persons unknown.

Florida Trend, Sept 2000 v43 i5 p16

Beaty, 41, started as an industry outsider with his own company, Micro Business Systems, providing software to independent agents. For Pinellas Park-based The Jerger Co., he developed a pioneering program that allowed it to quickly identify mobile homes by ZIP code and park. Thus, it could grow into the largest independent mobile home insurer in the Southeast, even as it spread its risk so that a single tornado didn't mean catastrophe for Jerger. In 1986, he sold Micro to Jerger and became its chief information officer. When Jerger was sold this year, Beaty jumped to Bankers.

592 posted on 11/01/2003 7:43:40 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
George W. Greer -- divorced three times

I would imagine that he has been divorced because he is ALWAYS right, and the women were WRONG. That's the way George W. Greer seems to rule from the "bench."

But in the Age of Clinton, I would imagine that divorce could be considered a valuabe asset for "diverse life experiences," or something like that.

What is also shocking is how much FL leaders seem to want to protect the "honor" of George W. Greer's "court"? It is truly the FL example of a "kangaroo court."
593 posted on 11/01/2003 7:53:50 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Oh another thing, why did the judge pick Wolfson?

Budge posted a profile of Judge Demers on his site (thank you, Budge!) located at this link: http://public.fotki.com/Budge/terri/david_demerrs.html. Did you know Demers graduated from Stetson University and Stetson School of Law?
594 posted on 11/01/2003 7:56:44 AM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
BTW-there is a comment section on the bio of Judge Demers...you do have to leave your email and name to use it.
595 posted on 11/01/2003 7:59:20 AM PST by Republic
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To: Theodore R.
Here is a paragraph that I came across from a TX website. It bodes ill for the future of poor Terri and the FL judiciary though it does not address Terri per se.

Judge Robert Bork fears it will be hard to stop the "unceasing replacement of government by elected officials with government by…judges". Lets hope for America's and Texas' (or FL?) sake he will be ultimately proven incorrect.

596 posted on 11/01/2003 8:00:45 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: syriacus
Can or would you send this pic amnd comment about mike's committment and change of mind to Greta, larry king and Geraldo and Sean? To glennbeck ?

To judge greer and judge demers?

Greta-ontherecord@foxnes.com

Geraldo-atlarge@foxnes.com

Larry.king.live3@truner.com

hannity@ofxnews.com

glenn-me@glennbeck.com

Judge greer and demers-on links from Budge's postings here

597 posted on 11/01/2003 8:06:06 AM PST by Republic
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Sent your original post, about your father and Wolfson etc., on to a person who may be able to get in touch with Pat and the Schindler family regarding this-I don't think we should EVER assume that the Schindler's attorney can know all that is being done on the Scindler's behalf.

! We need to send your post to the 18 disabled American groups in FL who are also supporting Terri, I'll try to run down the listing but will not be able to post them until tonight. Have to go offline shortly-reality here calls.

598 posted on 11/01/2003 8:12:00 AM PST by Republic
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To: TigersEye
This is Pearson's affidavit that is posted at terrisfight.org: http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/guardian.pdf. It isn't the full document though.
599 posted on 11/01/2003 8:21:50 AM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: saveterri1
Your ping.
600 posted on 11/01/2003 8:25:09 AM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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