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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

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To: Budge
Wow! Thanks, Budge! THAT really helps. Gonna print and keep by my printer. One more question, tho, if I didn't want to reply to anyone, just post my remarks, how do I get in?
151 posted on 10/30/2003 5:30:21 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly
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152 posted on 10/30/2003 5:47:40 PM PST by trussell (PRAYER WORKS!!)
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To: TaxRelief
Nope, not in Florida.
153 posted on 10/30/2003 6:04:36 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Saundra Duffy; sweetliberty; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
Perhaps the Freeping has to be sanctioned by a local chapter?

Actually, it's more than that. I believe the problem is with other freepers who are taking a different (ignorant) position with regards to Terri. They feel that the Terri case threatens their own "right-to-die" and they are right about that, too. However, they completely misunderstand the origin of the threat to their personal liberties.

It is people like George Felos, Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo who have corrupted the system. These perpetuators of a "forced death culture" present the biggest threat to the goal of minimizing government interference in personal lives and deaths. This case undoubtedly will result in law changes, and unfortunately, it will probably result in greater government oversight, too.

Sadly, it is not the Terri supporters, but those who support the ACLU (and indirectly certain corrupt individuals), that will cause another layer of government oversight to be added.

FACT: The "right-to-die'rs" who have banished us to the religious forums are using the classic dem tactics of labeling and name-calling. They refer to "those hysterical, over emotional, illogical Terri threads", and they resort to rudeness that ridicules people's faith with names like "those pious holier-than-thou" pro-lifers.

FACT: Due to incomplete, agenda-driven research, that falls back on the (recently written) "law", the banishers have minimized the importance of this precedent-setting case.

Let's give credit where credit is due. The admin mod committee and Jim Rob do recognize the trick of labeling and name-calling when the mainstream media uses it to diss Republicans.

Unfortunately, they completely miss it when its used by some of the "old-time" libertarian Freepers to attack any issue that is embraced by Christian conservatives, even if the issue directly relates to an immoral and unacceptable use of government force (a major libertarian issue).

The stated goal of Freerepublic is to get the Dems out of power, everywhere. Supporting the Communist ACLU and casually dismissing those that value human life, by relegating them to the role of "religious whackos", is certainly not the way to accomplish our common mission.

Despite the lack of support from those whom we must give the credit for creating and running such an amazing website, we will prevail.

We will, state by state, community by community, discover the subtle phrases in each state's statutes that allow fortune-hunting spouses and relatives to knock off their "inconveniences".

154 posted on 10/30/2003 6:08:57 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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155 posted on 10/30/2003 6:22:34 PM PST by trussell (PRAYER WORKS!!)
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To: lonevoice
Fox was the attorney representing Michael in the medical malpractice suit. Nothing he said to reporters can have any real relevance. It's interesting that he still brags that they won 6.8 million dollars.

http://www.stfblegal.com/FSL5CS/Custom/TOCVerdictsAndSettlements.asp
156 posted on 10/30/2003 6:23:51 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: jackibutterfly
if I didn't want to reply to anyone, just post my remarks, how do I get in?

Just go to the To: box and delete the name there.

Later on, I'll attempt to help you to post links and/or pictures.

157 posted on 10/30/2003 6:29:30 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: lady lawyer; sweetliberty; TaxRelief
I dont understand your focus as to why our "justice system" did not investigate the original circumstances surrounding Terri Schiavo's collapse.
They seldom do, in my experience, unless overwhelming and incontrovertable evidence forces them to action.And even then, one must drag them kicking and screaming to prosecution.
Our justice system avoids messy cases, whenever possible.
My ex-husband was murdered by his new wife and her boyfriend.Despite numerous sworn statements from friends,neighbors,supervisors, co-workers,aquaintances, family, and even me, the impartial ex-wife,and a very unusual autopsy, no amount of information was enough to force the "justice system" to actually investigate criminal allegations of murder.They sure strung us all along for three years though.After all, all they had to do was listen to us and file the documentaion in the case closed file.
Anyone with actual experience with the legal "justice system" knows there is little of justice, and less of truth, in the system.
The "justice system" is not a place normal,honorable people are welcomed or even invited.
It is the epitomy of bureaucrats gone insane.
It is, after all, filled with lawyers, who are the least ethical, and most dishonest population as a group, I have encountered in my life.
And this is the same group of people who have twice tried to publically murder Terri Schiavo, under color of law.
If they were under the jurisdiction of the DOD, they would be tried for crimes against humanity.
But since it is just an unimportant disabled citizen, who cares?



158 posted on 10/30/2003 6:32:03 PM PST by sarasmom (Pray for TerriSchiavo. Everything I post is my opinion, unless otherwise stipulated.)
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To: TaxRelief
>>It's interesting that he still brags that they won 6.8 million dollars.

Wonder if he worked on a contingency basis? It's not unusual for a lawyer to get 1/3 of an award.
159 posted on 10/30/2003 6:33:06 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: jackibutterfly
Don't pass up those great links by sweetliberty, trussell, backhoe, and mickie.

I'm sure there will be others that will offer great help!

160 posted on 10/30/2003 6:35:52 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: TaxRelief
More thread links from today:

Michael Challenges Terri's Law, Wants Guardian Appointment Delayed

An Execution In Florida — Terri Schiavo On Death Row

TERRI SCHIAVO: Woman's plight raises questions

161 posted on 10/30/2003 6:38:46 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Budge
Yes! I thought there was some inconsistency there (where she was supposed to have 'thudded') - I'm glad someone else saw that too! The more people dig, the worse that ol' Mr. 'Schi'-ster looks...
162 posted on 10/30/2003 6:40:01 PM PST by firerosemom
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To: sarasmom
Remember, there are lawyers working to save Terri, too.

I didn't mean the criminal justice system, I meant the civil system, where Michael sued the doctors, and where the doctors lawyers should have uncovered other causes for her condition.
163 posted on 10/30/2003 6:41:59 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: sarasmom
Some will say your experience is the exception to the rule. Well, I have very similar experience and I'm in complete agreement with you.
Prosecutors (some of them) will select cases to prosecute on the basis of their caseload, the court's docket in their area, the case's political priority, the quality of the defendant's attorney, the so-called value to society of the victim's life, or the prosecutor's gut aversion to the crime or lack thereof.
164 posted on 10/30/2003 6:42:06 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
more recent stuff on that same site...
interesting find

10/29/03 PLAINTIFF PETITIONERS BRIEF F
10/27/03 PLAINTIFF AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL SCHIAVO F
10/27/03 PLAINTIFF NOTICE OF HEARING 102103 @ 7 F
10/23/03 PLAINTIFF ORDER DENYING TEMP INJUNCTION F
10/23/03 PLAINTIFF ORDER ON DECLARATORY JUDGMENT/ N
10/21/03 PLAINTIFF PETITION F
10/21/03 PLAINTIFF CIRCUIT CIVIL FILING FEE PAID $155.00 N
10/21/03 PLAINTIFF THIS CASE ASSIGNED BY CLERK TO SECTION 020 BY 3886 - RANDOM CI N
165 posted on 10/30/2003 6:43:15 PM PST by ZAKJAN
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To: lady lawyer
Well, as a former insurance defense lawyer, I can see how this could have been overlooked.

Defense theories of the case tend to get crystallized early, probably by the adjuster. And once the theory is in the file, you tend to "see" things that support that defense theory and overlook others that don't mesh. If the neck bruises were buried in an ER intake report, and the adjusters and defense attorneys were running on a theory of bulimia or diet abuse contributing to her condition, I could see how everybody could look right past it.

In an ideal world, of course, the trial lawyers fly-speck every piece of paper in the file. As a practical matter in a busy office, the only person who ever looked at the ER intake report was probably the paralegal who Bates-stamped it while getting ready for discovery.

I try not to attribute to malice or evil what can be attributed to incompetence or carelessness . . . Occam's Razor and all that.

166 posted on 10/30/2003 6:45:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: firerosemom; Republic; All
Well that makes three of us, so far that have caught that little boo-boo.

Republic, you, and me. Any more?

(See post 129 this thread.)

167 posted on 10/30/2003 6:46:53 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Our office is the flyspecking type, but I can see how your version of events could happen. If that is what did happen, and if Terri's family knew Michael was abusive and kept quiet to bleed the doctor, shame on them.
168 posted on 10/30/2003 6:57:51 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: sweetliberty
Very nicely linked summary of list one.

I certainly hope that the IRS has been making sure Mike is following all the rules when he files for himself and his wife.

I imagine there is a good deal of paperwork.

169 posted on 10/30/2003 6:58:08 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: lady lawyer; sarasmom
In every profession there are honest folks and there are dishonest folks.

The reasons behind a lack of investigation in criminal cases is bigger than the individuals involved. Since it would take three threads to explain, and would completely distract us from the issue at hand, the brief summary is "Blame the Democrats". (LOL)

170 posted on 10/30/2003 7:00:06 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: Budge
Yes, Dear. Didn't we discuss it already, though? Maybe that was at my dinner table...
171 posted on 10/30/2003 7:01:40 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: lady lawyer
I can also see a situation in which the parents were not aware that he was abusive. I have personal experience of this in my family - a relative said she was thinking about divorce, but never said a word about her husband beating her up regularly. It all came out later, through the testimony of neighbors, but her own family didn't have a clue, and neither did her best friend. She put herself in for a world of hurt by not speaking out, but I guess she was ashamed.

I was always the fly-specking kind myself (I've been out of the business 10 years now), but I hear that some insurers have started questioning every tenth of an hour billed and second-guessing the lawyers, to the point of not allowing defense attorneys to take necessary depositions. A lot of my friends are getting out of insurance defense because they don't want some non-lawyer bean counter in Adjusting directing the trial of the case.

172 posted on 10/30/2003 7:06:57 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Graymatter
He sued someone for malpractice prior to Terri's collapse?

PLAINTIFF SCHIAVO MICHAEL 90008845CI INJUNCTION 05/22/90 PRUDENTIAL INSURANCE COMPANY OF AMERICA 007 999999
PLAINTIFF SCHIAVO MICHAEL 90018585CI MALPRAC PROF 10/30/90 NEUHARDT ROBERT G MD 018 999799
PLAINTIFF SCHIAVO MICHAEL 90018585CI MALPRAC PROF 10/30/90 NEUHARDT ROBERT G MD 018 999999
173 posted on 10/30/2003 7:07:25 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: Budge
Here's a piece of the LKL transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

Schiavo: I'd say, about 4:30 in the morning, I was, for some reason, getting out of bed and I heard a thud in the hall. I race out there and Terri was laying in the hall. I went down to get her. I thought, Well, maybe she just tripped or whatever.

It sounds from this as if she fell in an area downstairs from the bedroom---or perhaps fell down the stairs. Note he says "I went DOWN" to get her. Maybe that's why everyone overlooked the injuries, it was assumed she was bruised in the fall, but the major concern was the life-threatening cardiac arrest.
Yet if that's so, that she could have fallen down stairs, why hasn't he said so, attributing the injuries to the fall?
None of which absolves him of 10 years of neglect and abuse.
174 posted on 10/30/2003 7:18:53 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: TaxRelief
No, the incident was in 1990, February.
175 posted on 10/30/2003 7:20:43 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Budge
Well that makes three of us, so far that have caught that little boo-boo.

Republic, you, and me. Any more?

Even in his version on LK, he can't get it straight....

I'd say, about 4:30 in the morning, I was, for some reason, getting out of bed and I heard a thud in the hall. I race out there and Terri was laying in the hall. I went down to get her.

176 posted on 10/30/2003 7:23:47 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: txrangerette
There was a case where Greer denied a protective order for a woman because there was no abuse, only threats and 2 weeks later she was stabbed to death.
178 posted on 10/30/2003 7:28:37 PM PST by tutstar
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To: lonevoice
I've been wondering how they got around the investigation especially after the bone scan. Statute of limitation or not someone dropped the ball when the accident happened or someone knew someone with a broom and a rug to sweep the dirt under. If it was a child it would have been a whole different story.
179 posted on 10/30/2003 7:30:38 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Budge
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go to government then senate then look for link to statutes, you can view entire statutes or search for text...
180 posted on 10/30/2003 7:31:40 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Graymatter
It sounds from this as if she fell in an area downstairs from the bedroom---or perhaps fell down the stairs. Note he says "I went DOWN" to get her.

Makes a person go, "Hmmmmm."

I learned a LONG time ago that I couldn't even keep up with little "white lies." Several episodes over my Dad's knee finally convinced me.

181 posted on 10/30/2003 7:33:00 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: lady lawyer
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182 posted on 10/30/2003 7:34:54 PM PST by tutstar
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To: sweetliberty; Admin Moderator
This is the biggest grassroots activism freep I've ever participated in. Terri may seem to be just one person but it is exposing huge flaws in our judicial system and that is what conservatism is all about.

Additionally, I called my aunt in the midwest today. They are still under the mistaken impression that Terri is "in a coma". We need midwest freepers to explain to their neighbors that Terri is responsive, etc. My aunt was horrified when I told her what all was going on here in Pinellas County.

Ya think Terri's the only person subjected to a starvation-dehydration diet? Absolutely not.

If this isn't considered activism will Free Republic pay my long distance phone bills for the past two months? LOL Fregards, FV

183 posted on 10/30/2003 7:35:22 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Krodg; Graymatter
I race out there and Terri was laying in the hall. I went down to get her.

What did I just do? Missed that very phrase in graymatter's post just momennts ago!

Hall - down and bathroom in the article when he sued.

184 posted on 10/30/2003 7:39:46 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Graymatter
I think that is exactly what happened.
185 posted on 10/30/2003 7:40:51 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: TaxRelief; syriacus
There is a link on each line on the pages you posted which will give you a little more detail....
186 posted on 10/30/2003 7:42:00 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Aliska
From my personal observation, the Schindlers are not a bunch of liars. It's an honor to have gotten to know them. They are fine people in every way. Terri is responsive - the only lies are incoming. Judge Greer treated the Schindlers like second class citizens since day one. Terri is just a case file to Judge Greer and he is legally blind.
187 posted on 10/30/2003 7:42:03 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: cyn
thank you
188 posted on 10/30/2003 7:44:31 PM PST by tutstar
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To: tutstar
Thanks, tutstar, but I have to hit the sack tonight.

Dummy here was taking a step at work, caught foot under something, artifical leg came off and I hit flat on the end of the stump. Big ouch!

189 posted on 10/30/2003 7:46:00 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: lady lawyer
? 4U

Would the laws which apply to Guardian Ad litem also apply to Michael?
190 posted on 10/30/2003 7:46:07 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Budge
night, and be careful about 'hitting' that sack, it might hit back and after your tumble today....
please be careful. That must have been excruciating!
191 posted on 10/30/2003 7:48:02 PM PST by tutstar
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To: floriduh voter
If this isn't considered activism will Free Republic pay my long distance phone bills for the past two months? LOL Fregards, FV

Add mine to that too.....along with mega $$ to overnight petitions to Aschroft etc......activism , YOU BET!! and I am not complaining for a second!!

192 posted on 10/30/2003 7:49:13 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: lady lawyer
Parsing for clarity, or for legality?
I purposely grouped the "justice system" as a system.
Only a dishonest lawyer would attempt to separate the criminal from the civil, as if they were actually separate and distinct entities, from the justice system.
Sure lawyers are working on Terri's side.
That is the system, is it not?
A close knit elitist debating society, that is divorced from the actual consequences of their actions in actual human reality.
1.Vote NO, everytime, every chance, everywhere on judicial retention.
2.Never elect any lawyer to public office, not even as dogcatcher.
In ten years, we might have our country back.


193 posted on 10/30/2003 7:52:00 PM PST by sarasmom (Pray for TerriSchiavo. Everything I post is my opinion, unless otherwise stipulated.)
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To: kodani69
See post #107 - The family doctor settled, the ob-gyn went to a jury.
194 posted on 10/30/2003 8:05:05 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: sweetliberty
ACLJ asks to intervene on behalf of parents in constitutional case - Posted: October 30, 2003
195 posted on 10/30/2003 8:19:53 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: sweetliberty
WND's comprehensive coverage of Terri Schindler-Schiavo case
196 posted on 10/30/2003 8:21:58 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Terri has a half a million spokespersons. The bottom line is that the media will only put one what they want their viewers to see. They whittle interviews down to soundbites and hubby's attorney does seem to own Pinellas County, lock stock and barrel. He is managing the media but lately, some of the local papers seem to be distancing themselves from George Felos. Maybe he finally creeped them out too.

I'm fully supportive of Terri's PR team, her attorneys, and selfless people who showed up from over 14 states to ask what they could do to help.

Maybe not being in Tampa Bay, you are not picking up on the fact that what is happening with Terri is miraculous and historic. Our first concern is Terri and she's doing well.

197 posted on 10/30/2003 8:23:24 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Republic
I think I recall Baden even stating that Terri could be a candidate for rehab as she wasn't pvs. A 180 from the night before wherein he stated that she couldn't hear. Terri's family talks to her every day. Her brother told her daily during her starvation-dehydration period they were going to get her out of there. That's reported in the media somewhere. Terri's a strong girl.

Personally, I'm against starvation-dehydration as an option for end of life protocol. It is not painless as alleged. Too many Americans are being starved-dehydrated to death and this all started when our attentions were elsewhere.

198 posted on 10/30/2003 8:30:15 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: TaxRelief
Fox was the attorney representing Michael in the medical malpractice suit. Nothing he said to reporters can have any real relevance. It's interesting that he still brags that they won 6.8 million dollars.

Hmm, this is very interesting. I haven't read all the comments yet, but has anyone else wondered as I am if that really was the amount awarded to MS?

Is it certain that he received only 1.2 million?

199 posted on 10/30/2003 8:34:50 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: floriduh voter
>>starvation-dehydration as an option for end of life protocol. It is not painless as alleged...

And if we're not careful, euthanasia will go on, with only modifications for our sensibilities. Starvation isn't painless; drugs can make it so; soon, then, they'll cut out the starvation and just dispatch the inconvenient and useless by means of lethal drugs.
Some German soldiers had sensibilities about bullets and bayonets and massacres, and eventually Zyklon B in faraway camps settled their misgivings.
200 posted on 10/30/2003 8:40:42 PM PST by Graymatter
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