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Unions: Good or Bad?
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Posted on 10/30/2003 10:50:34 AM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC

It would be difficult to argue that labor unions haven't done a lot of good for American workers. But have they got a little too much power now? They may be interfering with companies' abilities to compete -- and perhaps investors should consider unions when evaluating companies.

By Selena Maranjian (TMF Selena) October 30, 2003 I've long supported unions. I've even belonged to two -- when I was a high school teacher and when I was a university administrative worker. (For the record, the Harvard Union of Clerical and Technical Workers had some great songs.) But in recent years, I've come to doubt my pro-union convictions. Permit me to share some of my thoughts and then to solicit your thoughts. I suspect that many who read my words are much more informed about and experienced with unions than I am.

Why unions are good In much of industrial America, workers toiled under very unsafe conditions, earning extremely low pay and enjoying little to no legal protection. Unions were successful in bringing about many improvements for such workers, such as more reasonable working hours. They have generally served workers well by helping them avoid being exploited by employers. Even in these days, unions have a strong impact. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, union members in 1999 had median weekly earnings of $672 (that's $34,944 per year) while non-union workers had median weekly earnings of only $516 ($26,832) (source).

Why unions are problematic Much as I'd rather not accept it, while unions have done a lot of good and have helped workers avoid exploitation, they also seem to have helped workers exploit employers. Perhaps it has been a gradual shift over time, with unions slowly accumulating more and more power. (Perhaps not -- again, I welcome your thoughts.)

Unions can have the power to impede a company's ability to compete and thrive. A firm might be in desperate trouble, yet its unions may be unwilling to bend or compromise in order to help the company survive. Many employers find themselves left very inflexible when they have union contracts to abide by.

Some more problems with unions:

Anti-competitiveness. The Socialstudieshelp.com website suggests that, "unions… are victims of their own success. Unions raised their wages substantially above the wages paid to nonunion workers. Therefore, many union-made products have become so expensive that sales were lost to less expensive foreign competitors and nonunion producers."

A decline in the value of merit. In many union settings, workers can't advance much or at all on their merits, but must generally progress within the limits defined by union contracts. Employers may have trouble weeding out ineffective employees if they belong to unions. In theory, at least, unionized workers might become so comfortable and protected that they lose the incentive to work hard for their employer. And outstanding employees might lose their get-up-and-go if there's no incentive to excel -- or worse, if they're pressured by the union to not go the extra mile. Here's a webpage detailing some other union drawbacks.

Is there a problem? So there's both good and bad associated with unions. I suspect that most businesses, and even many or most investors in said businesses, would prefer that the businesses be union-free. But that's easier said than done.

Is ownership an answer? One strategy for companies to avoid unions taking hold on their premises might be to ensure that as many of their workers as possible are as satisfied as possible. That's simple and makes sense, but it can become mighty difficult to maintain as a company grows huge. Another option is to convert employees into owners -- via stock ownership or profit-sharing, for example. If workers have a real stake in a firm's bottom line, they may be more sympathetic to management's point of view and more eager to work extra hard to help the firm succeed.

That's not a perfect solution, though. Starbucks (NYSE: SBUX), for example, is known for awarding stock options. Yet some of its workers in the U.S. and Canada have organized into unions, while others would like to.

Consider also Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV), which has long made employees part-owners via profit-sharing and stock options. It hasn't escaped having unions in its midst. Yet, as this Foundation for Enterprise Development case study notes, "A few years ago the pilots' union at Southwest struck an extraordinary deal with the airline to freeze wage increases for 10 years in exchange for an increased proportional allocation of stock options. The flight attendants' union has since also signed a similar agreement that is unprecedented in the industry." And Southwest has continued to thrive in its notoriously tough industry.

American Airlines, whose parent company is AMR (NYSE: AMR), also decided to issue stock options to its employees, making the announcement in April -- and just a week or so ago it reported a long-elusive (though tiny) profit. Are the two items related? Perhaps, at least to some degree. Though it's worth pointing out that stock options aren't necessarily always attractive. If they're for stock of a shaky company in a wobbly industry, they may not be worth much at all. (Bill Mann noted earlier this year why investors might want to walk away from American Airlines.)

The healthcare crisis If ownership isn't the best answer, perhaps healthcare coverage might be. Along with compensation issues, healthcare is a major factor in the recent strike of grocery workers in California. The unions don't want to lose ground on the healthcare package workers currently receive. The grocery chains are crying that they're being pinched as they fight the threat of Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT) -- yet some have been recording increases in sales and earnings lately. Kroger (NYSE: KR), for example, posted a 3% increase in sales and a 16% increase in earnings between fiscal 2001 and 2002.

What's really going on? I suspect that both sides fear a slippery slope: Workers fear that if they give in a bit on healthcare, they'll eventually lose it all. (And with healthcare costs skyrocketing lately, that's a valid concern.) Employers fear that they're already on a slippery slope as they fight the encroaching behemoth that is Wal-Mart.

The Wal-Mart situation Wal-Mart itself is interesting, when you consider unionization. Thus far, in its not-that-short history, it has escaped having most of its workers belong to unions. But a passionate fight is being waged right now, as workers struggle to establish a union.

This raises interesting questions for us investors: Should we root for the union, as it might lead to more livable wages for employees and might keep more of Wal-Mart's million-plus employees enjoying healthcare benefits? Or should we root for Wal-Mart, figuring that a union will almost certainly put pressure on profits and might threaten the company's ability to sustain its track record of formidable global growth?

I'd like to tell you what I think of the Wal-Mart situation, but I can't. I'm torn. I see both sides of the issue. I wouldn't want to see Wal-Mart unduly restricted by union stipulations. I recognize that although it's enormous, its net profit margins aren't that hefty, at around 4%. That doesn't leave lots of room for adding expenses (though of course there is some room). But at the same time, I wouldn't want employees to be taken advantage of simply because Wal-Mart is big enough to do so. I admire generous companies, ones that treat their workers well. I'd want Wal-Mart to be, as many folks would argue it currently is, fair or even generous to workers. I suppose what I'd like to see is a more perfect solution than a traditional union or successful union-busting.

Questions that remain So after this brief foray into union considerations, I'm left with more questions than answers. Once more, I invite your thoughts. Please share them on our discussion board for this column -- or pop in to see what others are saying. (We're offering a painless free trial of our boards right now.) I hope to revisit this topic soon, to share some of the most compelling responses of yours that I read. Some food for thought:

If unions are no longer so critical, should they disappear, and if so, how? They enjoy many protections by law. By what process might we become a union-free nation?

If unions are indeed still vital, how worried should we be that less than 15% of our workforce belongs to unions, and that this figure has been dropping?

If a company wants to avoid unionization, what is its best strategy?

How might unions and employers/managements better coexist, without one side exploiting the other?

How should investors view companies that have unionized workers? Fool coverage of unions If you're interested in other Fool articles that have touched on unions, look no further. Whitney Tilson recently explained how JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq: JBLU) is "JetBlue is ALPA's (the militant and powerful Air Line Pilots Association) worst nightmare, and they will do anything to unionize JetBlue." And earlier this year, I questioned whether Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT) was exploiting employees and received many responses from readers.


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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Agree with everything you have said. My father was in the plumbers union for years (he retired in 1988). Unions were great in his day, but if you asked him today about unions he would tell you that they are all "dogs."

Another problem with unions today is that they have aligned themselves with the Democratic Party which will eventually lead to their downfall. My brother-in-law is an ironworker here in NYS. During the senatorial elections a few years back, his union basically told him to vote for Hillary Clinton because of all the jobs she was going to bring to NYS!! Yes, he feels really stupid now for going along with the union since she has nothing for New York.

21 posted on 10/30/2003 11:47:41 AM PST by Gerish
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
I love unions, especially with liver and bacon......oh......never mind.

FMCDH

23 posted on 10/30/2003 11:56:20 AM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Unions = EVIL.
24 posted on 10/30/2003 12:00:28 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Inspectorette; All
I will agree with you. There are younger people today that understand the values of hard work just as there are older union workers out there that exploit their employment because they are union protected. I feel there are some principles of organized labor that are necessary (safe working conditions, reasonable working hours, etc). What I am against is the socialist principles that many unions still represent. The biggest of these: making everyone equal. I believe that attitude AND aptitude should determine altitude. I know that sounds a bit cliche-esque, but its the truth. Unions were good when we were in the industrial revolution, but not today. I truly believe that today's unions need their wings clipped.
25 posted on 10/30/2003 12:01:05 PM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC (....this vast left wing conspiracy, conspiring against my country since the day Bush took office)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Anyone who believes that the NEA is "for the students", needs an adjustment to their tin foil hat.
26 posted on 10/30/2003 12:01:57 PM PST by Wheee The People (Do not read past this line, under penalty of law.)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Unions: Good or Bad?

Unions were once good (in the 1930's and 40's). Unions now BAD!!!

As if the liberal news media won't let out shrieks of horror if any company treats it's employees unfairly...

27 posted on 10/30/2003 12:02:52 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Union Thug:


28 posted on 10/30/2003 12:09:47 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Dittos. When I see the grocery clerks here in California picketing, I just have to shake my head at their lemming-like willingness to go along with what their Cadillac-driving Union bosses are spoon-feeding them.

The Union bosses drive by, raising their fists and shouting, "Solidarity", while these hapless shmucks are pounding the pavement, carrying signs, actually believing that the Union is out for their best interests.

They are striking themselves out of a job: while the supermarkets are losing sales, long-term they will win. While the strike is on, they are paying out a lot less in wages, and little or nothing in benefits to the temporary workers. They are also assessing how many or how few workers they really need to run the stores, as they make plans to bring in new technology (automated checkout scanners. I envision a huge round of layoffs after the strike is settled.

29 posted on 10/30/2003 12:13:22 PM PST by Inspectorette (WS)
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To: Gerish; All
Alot of New Yorkers feel just as cheated as your brother does. But, keep the faith Gerish. She has two years until the people of New York speak. I really don't think she'll survive a re-election bid. And as soon as that happens, I guarantee they sell the house in Chappequa. She used New York, and the people know it.
30 posted on 10/30/2003 12:13:27 PM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC (....this vast left wing conspiracy, conspiring against my country since the day Bush took office)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Unions are veil parasites whose only purpose is to destroy their host. Look at the industries that unions have killed or injured. Steel, Automotive, Airlines, textiles etc.

Every industry that becomes heavily unionized loses its edge and declines.

To top it all off the very concept of collective bargaining is anti-biblical. So not only are unions bad but they are sinful

31 posted on 10/30/2003 12:16:10 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
If unions are indeed still vital, how worried should we be that less than 15% of our workforce belongs to unions, and that this figure has been dropping?

None whatsoever, at least as far as private sector labor organization goes.
Of far greater concern is the GROWTH of union influence in the government sector, including our education institutions. There, membership has increased to over 40%, and it is from this new bastion that they demonize and harass our private sector.

32 posted on 10/30/2003 12:25:28 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: John O
To top it all off the very concept of collective bargaining is anti-biblical. So not only are unions bad but they are sinful

Bullcrap. Like corporations, unions are merely artificial entities representing the financial interests of their membership. Overall, they exist in (more or less) balanced opposition to each other. While both have anecdotal histories of corruption and abusive misuse of the economic advantages entrusted to them, neither is inherently "good" nor "evil".

33 posted on 10/30/2003 12:33:08 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
I am a partisan Republican and conservative who has spent years bemoaning the abuses of organized labor. I have never belonged to a union. That said ...

... I did, however, once work for an outfit the management of which was so abusive of us worker bees that I would have signed a union card in a flash had one been presented to me. (The problem was a couple of incompetent and abusive middle managers empowered by inattention and indifference at the top.)

Unions can be an important tool for employees. They are also the most corrupt major institution on the American political scene. How to strike a balance? I would begin with a national Right to Work law. The root of many evils is not unionism per se, but compulsory unionism.

Secondly, I would ban public sector unionism. Calvin Coolidge was right. Unions are legitimate in competitive situations where the market provides a reality check against excesses by both management and labor. Government, however, is an inherently non-competitive labor market where unions are simply a conspiracy against the public. To retreat to the high theoreticals, any government service that we are willing to see unionized ought to be privatized.

34 posted on 10/30/2003 12:39:34 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Willie Green; All
So true... I went to a university that was part of the Pennsylvania State System. No, not Penn State, a state owned institution. But anyway, would you believe that in the 5 years that I was in school, the teacher's union for the entire state system (14 universities in all) walked out or threatened to do so a total of 3 times!!! GREED....

In an opposite view, during my time in school I occasionally took summer courses at a local community college, where I became friends with one of the professors. Naturally, he was like us... Right-minded through and through. He lead the charge against unionizing the college's professors. And man, did he ever take abuse for it! His message must have made sense though, the unionization initiative was defeated.
35 posted on 10/30/2003 12:46:51 PM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC (....this vast left wing conspiracy, conspiring against my country since the day Bush took office)
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To: Willie Green
me-> To top it all off the very concept of collective bargaining is anti-biblical. So not only are unions bad but they are sinful

you->Bullcrap.

Matthew 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

The concept of a union goes against the biblical precepts displayed in this parable.

What's mine is mine to do with as I please. If I contract with someone to work for an amount, no one else has any say in that. If I hire one at $10/hr and one at $2/hr to do the same job, and they both agreed to it, then neither one has any right to complain. The concept of a union is that both can complain and deprive me of my property to suit their opinions. Anti-biblical and therefore evil

36 posted on 10/30/2003 1:03:17 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ConservativeMan55
Unions were established for a good reason but they have outlived that reason. We have more than enough Federal laws to protect workers. They have become a scam to control people.
37 posted on 10/30/2003 1:07:43 PM PST by tiki
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To: sphinx; All
I would begin with a national Right to Work law. The root of many evils is not unionism per se, but compulsory unionism.

Indeed my good friend... Indeed.

A national right to work law is what is needed. One that promotes fair compensation packages that are based upon merit, safe working conditions, and reasonable working hours. But have it stop there. If we took away alot of the power that organized labor has accumulated over the years, many of this country's economic problems would be alleviated. Please all, don't misconstrue what I just said about our country's economic problems. I am not hopping on the liberal's bandwagon by any means.

38 posted on 10/30/2003 1:08:04 PM PST by proud_member_of_ VRWC (....this vast left wing conspiracy, conspiring against my country since the day Bush took office)
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To: proud_member_of_ VRWC
Unions: Good or Bad?

B A D !


39 posted on 10/30/2003 1:09:35 PM PST by rdb3 (We're all gonna go, but I hate to go fast. Then again, it won't be fun to stick around and go last.)
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To: sharkhawk
Public sector unions (about 75% now)--ALL BAD. Private sector unions--mostly good.

Unions are criminal gangs. They serve a purpose in the private sector, but revert to criminal corruption when allowed into the public sector.

I believe allowing government workers to be unionized was a fatal mistake, and is a primary cause of our loss of freedom.

I have been a member of the Operating Engineers for over forty years. Flame away!
40 posted on 10/30/2003 1:17:57 PM PST by LittleJoe
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