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Scientists find evolution of life
EurekAlert ^ | 10/30/03

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:04:39 PM PST by Dales

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To: Virginia-American
Don't waste your time. He has been banned.
441 posted on 11/01/2003 6:59:10 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Physicist
You may not think so, but it does. In the scientific circles in which I travel, the presence of creationists among the conservative movement is the single most effective intellectual bludgeon against conservatism. It's a license to scoff.

Cripes, hubris evolved into an art form.

Why don't you fellows quit circling, form your own party and see if you can outpoll the libertarians. Can't wait to see the battle of the libertarians and the scientarians for the infamous 1/2%.

442 posted on 11/01/2003 7:01:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: AndrewC
311 is chain yanking, probably meant to be funny, but could be offensive if taken taken as an insult. I try not to yank creationists' chains, what I think is funny often gets taken the wrong way.

343 is a warning to behave, so that does strive to promote harmony.

You asked earlier about letting insults roll off your back. Remember what you learned in school, "sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me."

Also, "don't sweat the small stuff."

With respect to suffering, Catholics say, "offer it up." How about Protestants?
443 posted on 11/01/2003 7:02:04 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: AndrewC
"Please point to where I have ever said that the earth is only 6000 years old.

You didn't and since all your posts are short there's no way to know quickly what you believe. If the original question was not loaded as I suspected I apologise.

444 posted on 11/01/2003 7:05:19 PM PST by spunkets
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To: CobaltBlue
343 is a warning to behave, so that does strive to promote harmony.

You warn people to their face. My last post. I'm outta here. God Bless you. BYE.

445 posted on 11/01/2003 7:06:08 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
God - science - man never basically changes

Yes! But man's perception and understanding changes. You understand more now than when you were a child.

We see and understand only part of God's truth. What is evolving is our perception and understanding of that truth.

It is like understanding the principle of mathematics. The truths of mathematics have always been there and always will be there and as we understand those principles we can put them to good use. The principles of Life (God's Law) have always been there and always will be there and as we understand them we can live as we were intended to live. Human, material evolution is proceeding toward the spiritual, eternal creation which has always existed. Do you really believe that we (humans) are now living in accordance with God's eternal and perfect laws?

446 posted on 11/01/2003 7:09:35 PM PST by Semper
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To: HalfFull
Nobody was saying that Christians are bringing down the Republican party.

The terms "Christian" and "evolutionist" are not mutually exclusive.

The terms "creationist" and "Christians" are not mutually exclusive.

The terms "creationist" and "evolutionist" are not even mutually exclusive. Many people believe that God created the Universe billions of years ago, and all life in the Universe is both created and evolved.

In fact, the term "Intelligent Design" can be applied to a version of evolutionism.

So, it's not all black or all white. We don't need to be at each others' throats all the time.
447 posted on 11/01/2003 7:13:38 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: HalfFull
That Christians are bringing down the republican party is a myth.

You're right. It's not the Christians, it's the anti-evos who are weakening the GOP by grossing out conservatives who happen to agree with standard biology, geology, etc.

It's so ironic. Conservatives normally use history, current observation, logic, etc, as opposed to emotion, to come to an understanding of political issues. People who use these techniques to understand the living world almost unanimously agree that evolution is the best fit to the data. These people are natural conservatives, imo.

It is dishonest to teach something as 'science' when practically no working scientist subscribes to it. Do you really want teachers lying to the pupils?

Remember:

1) Most Christians are not creationists or id-ers, not even in the USA, certainly not worldwide.

2) Creationism is enforced by law in Muslim countries. I'm not 100% sure, but worldwide, I'd bet most creationists are Muslims.

448 posted on 11/01/2003 7:15:41 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Dales; Jim Robinson
Shame on you for banning gore3000. He is a good Christian and a conservative fighter. That you bait him and then ban him (while leaving others with posting privilages who call Christians "liars for God", dishonest, lieing shack of *&&^%, etc) is truely pathetic.

Sleep well....

449 posted on 11/01/2003 7:16:21 PM PST by HalfFull
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To: AndrewC; gore3000; Jim Robinson; Dales; CobaltBlue; PatrickHenry; Nakatu X
Blue guy; You were mean to Mr. Henry and I don't like you but ; you were just minding your own business and you got a plastic shank in the ribs. Your gang loses.
450 posted on 11/01/2003 7:17:07 PM PST by JethroHathAWay (If all you got to do is follow me around you need to chingate)
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To: Virginia-American
I'm not 100% sure, but worldwide, I'd bet most creationists are Muslims.

Ooooooh! I don't wanna go there. But I needed to drop a placemarker.

451 posted on 11/01/2003 7:17:54 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: HalfFull
That Christians are bringing down the republican party is a myth.

Correct. But then, I've not seen anyone make that claim here, either.

It is similarly a myth that "evolutionists" are bringing down the Republican party (or society/America in general). And I *have* seen *that* claim made.

Our fight is against liberals and liars of the left.

I agree, which is why I don't understand why a handful of Freepers would choose to make war on those Freepers who happen to accept evolution.

452 posted on 11/01/2003 7:18:58 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dales
You stabbed the Blue Guy in the back. You are like Nakatu x. You are a very bad person. I think you are a coward. In prison we would make you a rockstar.
453 posted on 11/01/2003 7:22:39 PM PST by JethroHathAWay (If all you got to do is follow me around you need to chingate)
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To: Virginia-American; HalfFull
It is dishonest to teach something as 'science' when practically no working scientist subscribes to it. Do you really want teachers lying to the pupils?

Would you agree to an amendment to the first sentence, that practically no working scientist believes that one can prove creation via science?

With respect to Intelligent Design, there are some interesting arguments made, but to date no truly satisfying scientific experiments, is my understanding.

Scientists don't reject faith, they just can't prove religion in the laboratory.

Maybe you said it better than I am suggesting, I just want to make the extra effort to find common ground, especially when there are so many hard feelings already.

454 posted on 11/01/2003 7:23:25 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: AndrewC
[G3k's been banned]

wow, I'm speechless.

Moral: Don't call JR and the mods liberals and put words in their mouths.

PS. Welcome back, I thought you were going to be a DU-II-er from now on.

455 posted on 11/01/2003 7:23:59 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: AndrewC
Why is it not possible that evolution is the result of intelligent design? (Random selection is an assumption based upon incomplete information.)
456 posted on 11/01/2003 7:24:14 PM PST by Semper
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To: JethroHathAWay
In prison we would make you a rockstar.

I was tempted to mention the plastic shiv remark, but you're making it more obvious anyway. Not sure why you want to brand that part of your background on your forehead.

457 posted on 11/01/2003 7:25:24 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: balrog666
Really? Jesus, who brought forgiveness to us all, is intolerant? Perhaps, it is only you that is intolerant, no?

You've been around long enough to know that there are Christians on both sides of this debate, so are the other Christians simply deluded? Or is it that you are blessed to see the absolute truth every time?

Or perhaps, you would care to rephrase your argument?

Have you personally received His forgiveness for your sins?

Salvation is a gift from God that needs to be received. Your ticket to pardise is waiting for you at will-call, get down there and pick it up. The only problem I see you all have is that will-call is in the Creationist section of town.:-)

458 posted on 11/01/2003 7:26:55 PM PST by bondserv
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To: VadeRetro
I did my own time. Punk
459 posted on 11/01/2003 7:27:07 PM PST by JethroHathAWay (If all you got to do is follow me around you need to chingate)
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To: JethroHathAWay
I did my own time.

Wouldn't dream of questioning it.

460 posted on 11/01/2003 7:28:45 PM PST by VadeRetro
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