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U.S. Hawk Wants Russia Out of G-8; Richard Perle has called for Russia to be expelled...
Moscow Times ^ | 10-30-03

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:33:02 PM PST by Brian S

By Simon Saradzhyan

Staff Writer Richard Perle, a hawkish policy adviser whose voice is heard in the Pentagon, has called for Russia to be expelled from the Group of Eight industrialized countries over the arrest of Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

"Russia should be excluded from the G-8. No [other] G-8 country is allowed to treat its leading businessmen the way Russia treated Khodorkovsky," Perle was quoted as saying in Russian translation in the Thursday issue of Kommersant. "I believe Russia is moving fast in the wrong direction."

Perle, who believes that the White House should contain the Kremlin rather than cooperate with it, has criticized the campaign against Yukos shareholders from the beginning.

"It's possible already to say that real damage is being done to the prospects for future Russian economic growth and development by what appears to be an arbitrary, capricious and vindictive campaign against a private company," he said during a Moscow seminar in July after the arrest of Yukos shareholder Platon Lebedev.

Although he resigned as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, Perle retains strong influence on U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and is one of the leaders of the neo-conservative camp in Washington.

The influence of this camp on President George W. Bush has waned somewhat, but it is still strong when it comes to shaping U.S. defense policy, according to Alexander Pikayev, a military specialist at the Carnegie Moscow Center. The conservatives, however, can do little to influence Washington's relations with Russia, according to both Pikayev and Ivan Safranchuk, Moscow representative of the Washington-based Center for Defense Information.

Thus, Perle's appeal alone to exclude Russia from the G-8 will probably have little practical impact on the Bush administration's policy toward Russia, the experts said. However, it may set off a new round of criticism of President Vladimir Putin's domestic policies in the U.S. Congress, Safranchuk said.

Perle may be using the Yukos affair to push his vision of foreign policy that would contain Russia rather than elevate it to the status of a strategic partner, Safranchuk said.

"One player cannot have full control of such a game," he said, referring to those carrying out the attack on Yukos. "Other players start spinning this affair to advance their interests."

Perle also criticized the campaign in Chechnya and said he hoped that Russian oil companies would be denied contracts in postwar Iraq. He said the White House should be under no illusions that the Kremlin will help to end alleged development of nuclear weapons by Iran.

Perle was forced to step down as chairman of the Defense Policy Board last spring because of a potential conflict of interest between his duties on the Pentagon board and his defense-related business activities. He remained a board member.

He is not known to have any business ties with Yukos, Safranchuk said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: energy; khodorkovsky; oil; perle; yukos

1 posted on 10/30/2003 5:33:02 PM PST by Brian S
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To: Brian S
Time for Perle to be excluded from making dumb comments
2 posted on 10/30/2003 5:47:02 PM PST by Norse
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To: Brian S; RussianConservative
You are going to have fun with this one.
3 posted on 10/30/2003 5:49:31 PM PST by Simmy2.5
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To: Brian S
Mikhail Khodorkovsky <== This guy draws a lot of sympathy from persons in our government. I wonder how many palms he has greased? Also, some one in state today was also talking about how bad Russia is in regards to theis guy. He has a bunch of friends in high places in our government.

I wonder what is REALLY up?
4 posted on 10/30/2003 5:53:02 PM PST by JSteff
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To: Norse
One really must wonder why Mr. Perle is so upset about a foreign country arresting one of their own citizens who is a corrupt businessman....I thought Mr. Perle's forte was defense....what could this be about?
5 posted on 10/30/2003 5:53:43 PM PST by clockwork
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To: Brian S
Just change the name to G7.5 :)
6 posted on 10/30/2003 5:55:02 PM PST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: JSteff; marron; aristeides
Wasn't Perle on the payroll of Worldcom or the Singapore company that wanted to buy its assets? Maybe he's on board with some Russian oil interests too.
7 posted on 10/30/2003 5:55:16 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Brian S
Totalitarian behavior on the part of Putin's Russia?

The treatment of Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky might have come from Chapter one of Solzhenitszyn's "Gulag" which begins with the words: "How does one get to this clandestine archipelago?" and contiues a few sentences later ... "Those who go there, like you and me, dear reader, go there to die, most get there solely and compulsorily via arrest."

8 posted on 10/30/2003 6:02:03 PM PST by thinktwice ("A dictatorship is a country that does not recognize individual rights ." Russian escapee Ayn Rand)
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To: Brian S
"Russia should be excluded from the G-8. No [other] G-8 country is allowed to treat its leading businessmen the way Russia treated Khodorkovsky,"

Uh, ever heard of a company called Enron?
9 posted on 10/30/2003 6:10:22 PM PST by navyblue
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To: Brian S
We should start treating all the crooks in business and wall street and government just exactly the way Yukos lost his pants.

I'm still waiting for the Beltway Bastards to finally realize that all of the greed corruption and boom of the nineties can be attributed to the fact that the POTUS was a low life sociopath...and Wall Street loved him...anything goes...anything blows.

10 posted on 10/30/2003 6:13:07 PM PST by harrowup (So perfect I'm naturally humble)
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To: Brian S
I think Perle was just looking for an excuse to pick a fight with Russia. I think he goes beyond "neo-con," he's out there deliberately trying to pick fights, instead of doing the whole "go to war for great justice" thing at a reasonable pace.
11 posted on 10/30/2003 6:26:24 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Brian S
Perle is sticking up for this shyster, swindler oligarch Khodorkovsky? How transparent is this?
12 posted on 10/30/2003 6:36:18 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: xm177e2
I also think he goes beyond "neo-con", probably on the fringes of outer space. The neo-cons are so outrageous in some of their positions, it is getting obvious that they have an agenda all their own.
13 posted on 10/30/2003 6:39:10 PM PST by meenie
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To: BushMeister
You GOT it!

Perle is overplaying his hand.
16 posted on 10/30/2003 7:19:15 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: seamole
I do see Russia's point here.

You have a state run oil industry. You hand it over, lock stock and barrel to people like this guy, and it is basically a money making machine. The Russians wanted russians to own the company, employ russians, and grow the russian economy.

Then these guys turn around, sell off the assets that they were basically given for free, and screw the country.

I don't think that Russia would be bitching about a computer guy who developed a new software program on his own, selling his company off. This is different.

Richard Perle most likely has friends who are profiting in the millions of this rape of the Russian economy. I would bet when all facts come in to place, the billions that this guy earned from selling off these industries are actually a pittance compared to their actual worth.

Since he paid squat to get where he is, he is still a billionaire. The american companies are getting a bargain, and mother russia is screwed.

Perle should just keep his yap shut and not try to restart the cold war. His friends should just be thankful for the goodies they grabbed, and keep their heads down low and not be boastful about it.

It should be a crime to do what these new oil billionaires have done. If they want to sell stock, on the common market, that is fine and dandy, but it appears that much of this was insider trading, cronyism, greasing of palms in Washington and Moscow, and the Russian government has had enough.

Perle should be fired from the Defense Policy Board for his comments. Trying to restart the cold war is grounds enough for his removal.

17 posted on 10/30/2003 7:30:13 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Brian S
"Russia should be excluded from the G-8. No [other] G-8 country is allowed to treat its leading businessmen the way Russia treated Khodorkovsky," Perle was quoted as saying in Russian translation in the Thursday issue of Kommersant. "I believe Russia is moving fast in the wrong direction."

Two thing...first Perle must either be ignorant or dispise America over treatment of Kenneth Lay and rest of guys of Enron, Worldcom, Tyco and FREE MARTHA STEWART! Political prisoner of anti business American government....oh, oops, that only reserved for Russian crooks.

Second this from Moscow Times which is mouth piece of Oligarchs...no one know where original capital for Moscow Times come from but Bere and Khodi both bail it out before.

18 posted on 10/30/2003 7:42:05 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: JSteff
What is up is he plan to illegally sell controlling stock of Yukos to Exxon and Shevron...and those peoples of much political might in US. Bere also grease palm of Wall Street Urinal and they all but become fluffer for him while spineless Brits hide him and Abramovich from Justice...same spineless Brits who arrest great man like Pinoche. West is disgusting in double standard and own communism.
19 posted on 10/30/2003 7:44:24 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: dogbyte12
You are very right, you know difference between real business man and these robber baron? Easy difference...real businessman he take nothing and make something with value...these prick they take something of value and make nothing of it but put cash in pocket later. None there create anything or improve life of workers...unless you count media of foreign nations, they they give much money to.
20 posted on 10/30/2003 8:00:49 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Shermy; Brian S
Its odd, but even us neo-con-straussians, as much as we like Perle, are willing to give Putin the benefit of the doubt. Or at least some of us are.

There's just something about an Aqua Velva man...
21 posted on 10/30/2003 8:02:03 PM PST by marron
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To: clockwork
cash is king.

Perle has exposed himself with this.
22 posted on 10/30/2003 8:07:37 PM PST by oceanview
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To: JSteff
I'd imagine getting tossed in jail and waiting until December to find out what charges the State wishes to bring would garner some sympathy.
25 posted on 10/30/2003 8:14:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; JSteff
I'd imagine getting tossed in jail and waiting until December to find out what charges the State wishes to bring would garner some sympathy.

I believe he has been charged with six counts of fraud and tax evasion....

26 posted on 10/30/2003 8:57:19 PM PST by clockwork
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To: seamole
Actually they tap same fields that Soviet did not one new field.
27 posted on 10/30/2003 10:14:43 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: clockwork
He has, wait is for trail.
28 posted on 10/30/2003 10:15:33 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: dogbyte12
It's very much like if we gave NASA to a businessman who stripped off a lot of its assets, and now wants to sell whats left to the Chinese.
29 posted on 10/30/2003 10:22:41 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clockwork
I think he has been told what the charges against him might be. This is Russia, and not an episode of Law & Order.
30 posted on 10/31/2003 6:18:15 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Saturday October 25, 7:59 PM Russia charges YUKOS boss with fraud, tax evasion MOSCOW, Oct 25 (Reuters) - The head of Russia's biggest oil firm YUKOS , Mikhail Khodorkovsky, was charged on Saturday with six counts of fraud and tax evasion, a spokeswoman for the General Prosecutor's office said.

You probably don't know what the meaning of "is" is either. By the way I don't watch Law & Order.

31 posted on 10/31/2003 6:29:28 AM PST by clockwork
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To: clockwork
Contrary to what RussianConservative says, no trial date has been set. He has a pre-trial hearing on Dec. 30th. As for the charges he faces, lets just say that they can be "adjusted" at the whim of the prosecution. Meanwhile, he sits in jail.
32 posted on 10/31/2003 6:36:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: clockwork
Anton Drel, Mr Khodorkovsky's lawyer, said seven charges against him, including fraud and tax evasion totalling $1bn, had been presented, though not in the usual form of a legal document, and said elements of these demonstrated that their action was politically motivated.
Financial Times, October 27, 2003

Mr. Drel, you will remember, had his office raided and his documents seized by the FSB. There is a whole lot more going-on here than both of us know, and certainly more than the state-run media in Russia is reporting.

33 posted on 10/31/2003 6:55:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
no trial date has been set.

First you said there were no charges, now its no trial date...quit moving the goal posts. No trial date has been set in the Kobe Bryant case either...what's your point.

34 posted on 10/31/2003 7:05:46 AM PST by clockwork
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To: clockwork
My point is that you assume that the legal system in Russia is similar to that of the US. It's difficult to imagine someone comparing Khodorovsky's case with Bryant's without bursting-out in laughter. (Unless Bryant has made the argument that his prosecution is politically-motivated, his lawyer's office has been raided, and he's sitting in jail without being formally charged).
35 posted on 10/31/2003 7:21:50 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Norse
He is not the only one. John McCain has to be excluded as well.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/mccain_11-06_a.html
36 posted on 11/30/2003 9:41:43 AM PST by Spartano
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To: Brian S
I think Richard P is a nutball.
37 posted on 01/19/2004 10:38:55 PM PST by illumini (AMERICA. Love her or leave her!)
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To: Brian S
Russia is the only country to treat oligarchs like that? I guess Perle did not see trial of Martha Stewart, right?
38 posted on 03/17/2004 7:09:24 AM PST by zinochka (God bless President George Bush and Vladimir Putin!)
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To: JohnGalt
Hmmmm...
39 posted on 03/17/2004 7:23:34 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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To: Sam's Army
Perle on the same side with Soros and the Russian Oligarchs?

Hmmm, indeed.

Thanks for the ping.
40 posted on 03/17/2004 7:29:53 AM PST by JohnGalt (What tale will serve me here among Mine angry and defrauded young? -- R. Kipling)
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To: JohnGalt
"Perle also criticized the campaign in Chechnya..."

I wish the article were a bit more clear on this point. Is it criticism of the policy being too weak, or too strong?

41 posted on 03/17/2004 7:35:44 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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To: JohnGalt
Russia should not be in the G-8 at all. But not because of how it treats businessmen. It should not be in because the G-8 is a group of the world's richest countries, which Russia is not.

Russia's GDP per capita is lower than Mexico's - even on a PPP basis, the overall Russian economy is no larger than that of say Brazil. So why didn't Mexico or Brazil get into the G-8? Because they don't have nukes?

If it's an economic entity, then economic criteria should be used to qualify entry... not the possession of nukes. Otherwise the G-8 is a group of 7 rich nations, and one cry-baby nation that was given admission to calm it's temper after losing face on the global stage.

Looks to me like it's an economic organization and a palliative for ruffled feathered nuclear-armed former superpowers.
42 posted on 03/17/2004 7:43:44 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots
Those are good points in so far as there is probably no reason whatsoever to even have a 'G-8', but my interest is following this slimy Perle character; he says the darnedest things.
43 posted on 03/17/2004 7:50:00 AM PST by JohnGalt (If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied. -- R. Kipling)
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To: Sam's Army
Too hard, I am sure. The CIA was messing around in Chechnya, Albania and of course Kosovo with elements of AQ and radical Islam in the 1990s, and at the end of the day, it was about oil politics.

Hmmm.

From 1/13/04

The last months have seen neocons, worst of all being Richard Perle, protest the growing power of Russian president Vladimir Putin. He sparked their ire by cracking down on the country’s oligarchs, especially Yukos boss Mikhail Khodorkovsky. The real outrage for the neocons was how this act sidelined a deal between Exxon-Mobil and Yukos, a deal which would have enormously enriched a professed political enemy of Putin while putting a large chunk of Russia’s energy supply under the control of an American company.

Yet it’s not just Exxon. Neocons fear that Russian oil might be diverted into pipeline projects to not only Japan but- most fearsome of all- China.

44 posted on 03/17/2004 7:55:45 AM PST by JohnGalt (If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied. -- R. Kipling)
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To: JohnGalt
"Neocons fear that Russian oil might be diverted into pipeline projects to not only Japan but- most fearsome of all- China."

Wonder how realistic that scenario is? Have the Russians really cozied up to China that much since the border skirmishes of the past (1960's I want to say?)

Buddy of mine was in Kazakhstan in the mid 1990's working with an oil company. He said he saw regular reports of tensions between those 2 countries along with footage of Kazakh troops moving to the shared border. Of course, nothing came of it.

45 posted on 03/17/2004 8:30:15 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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To: Sam's Army
Found this on Pravada from 2002: Russia-China oil pipeline to be put into operation in 2005

Also: from 9/23/03 in China Daily Russia to live up to China oil pipeline deal

46 posted on 03/17/2004 8:49:41 AM PST by JohnGalt (If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied. -- R. Kipling)
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To: JohnGalt
Thanks.
47 posted on 03/17/2004 9:00:50 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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