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Bolivian Leader Warns U.S. on Free Trade
Yahoo News / Associated Press ^ | Thu Oct 30,10:02 PM ET | ANDREA RODRIGUEZ

Posted on 10/31/2003 8:34:12 PM PST by The Bronze Titan

HAVANA - If Latin American opponents of Washington's free trade policies join forces, they could deal the United States a blow as serious as its loss in the Vietnam War, Bolivian opposition leader Evo Morales said Thursday.

"Urgent action is important," Morales told leaders of social movements from across the Americas at a gathering here attended by President Fidel Castro (news - web sites). Morales called on the leaders to come together in regional unity and "create people power."

"Very soon we could celebrate in Latin America another Vietnam for the United States," Morales said, referring to the protracted conflict in Asia that sparked widespread opposition protests across the United States in the 1960s.

Morales, a former presidential candidate and now a congressman, is considered a top leader of regional opposition to free-trade policies that have expanded across Latin America in recent years.

The leader of Bolivia's Indian coca-leaf farmers was at the forefront of protests that toppled President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada in mid-October after the president promoted a plan to export Bolivia's natural gas.

Morales, attending a meeting of the Latin American Council of Social Sciences, on Wednesday had called on intellectuals to work with grass roots leaders in their countries to end free-trade economic policies that he says favor the privileged rich while ignoring the majority poor.

"It is important to incorporate intellectuals into the struggle," Morales said Wednesday on the communist government's nightly "Roundtable" television program. He said intellectuals should "not only be concerned, but do something."

Morales on Wednesday repeated his earlier calls for an "alternative summit" by Castro and presidents Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil when heads of state from Spanish- and Portuguese speaking nations gather in Bolivia in mid-November for the annual Ibero-American Summit.

Castro, who for security reasons never announces his trips abroad in advance, has not said if he will attend.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bolivia; cuba; freetrade; latinameirca; latinamerica
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1 posted on 10/31/2003 8:34:12 PM PST by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan
The odds that Latin American leaders will listen to this commie? Less than slim, and less than none.
2 posted on 10/31/2003 8:35:42 PM PST by squidly
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To: squidly
given south american political track record, he will be gone in a couple of years.
3 posted on 10/31/2003 8:38:39 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: squidly
Communism is spreading in Latin America faster than it has in decades. Take your head out of the sand.
4 posted on 10/31/2003 8:41:00 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: The Bronze Titan
Bolivian political leader Evo Morales delivers a speech during a meeting of the Latin American Council of Social Sciences Thursday Oct.30,2003 in Havana, Cuba. (AP Photo/Jose Goitia)


5 posted on 10/31/2003 8:42:08 PM PST by The Bronze Titan
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To: witnesstothefall
Communism is spreading in Latin America faster than it has in decades. Take your head out of the sand.

U.S. dollars still talk, and this kind of BS still walks. This is our hemisphere and that's not changing anytime soon.

6 posted on 10/31/2003 8:43:20 PM PST by squidly
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To: The Bronze Titan
Kind of ironic, really.

7 posted on 10/31/2003 8:55:14 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: witnesstothefall
Bolivia is such an economic powerhouse. We tremble in its wake.
8 posted on 10/31/2003 9:04:41 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: The Bronze Titan
Bolivia is also asking the US to increase development and foreign aid to poor countries. As are most poor countries.
9 posted on 10/31/2003 9:06:20 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Wow: stick a cap and glasses, and he's Miguel Moore.

Politics is the same.

10 posted on 10/31/2003 9:07:07 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: dasboot
They don't want trade, they want aid.
11 posted on 10/31/2003 9:07:36 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: squidly
This is our hemisphere

That's a very unthoughtful statement, and it's simply not accurate. Who is the head of state of Brazil? What is his political background?

Who is the head of state of Venezuela? What is his political background?

What is happening in Bolivia? What is happening in Colombia?

Making arrogant declarations about America's preeminence does absolutely nothing to counter the fact that communism is making fresh inroad in much of Latin America, almost 15 years after the fall of the Soviet Union.

TODAY hundreds of millions of South Americans live under communist rulers. Tens of millions of others are considering going communist.

Wake up.

12 posted on 10/31/2003 9:15:04 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: witnesstothefall
Tens of millions of others are considering going communist

Like they have much of a choice, the socialists tell them that capitalism is a failure and they don't know any different from their local media.

15 posted on 10/31/2003 9:28:13 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: All; Congressman Billybob
Apparently foreign aid, including military aid to Bolivia in the 90's jumped around from $25 to more than a hundred million dollars per year.

write your congressmember

16 posted on 10/31/2003 9:33:40 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: witnesstothefall
These nations you speak of are no more communist than is China, which is to say that they aren't communist. Totalitarian thugs masquerading as communists, but not communists.

When I said that it's our hemisphere, perhaps I should have suffixed that with "as much as we want it to be."

17 posted on 10/31/2003 9:34:49 PM PST by squidly
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To: witnesstothefall
"TODAY hundreds of millions of South Americans live under communist rulers. Tens of millions of others are considering going communist."

And they are coming right across our open borders by the tens of millions to vote and to void the votes of legitimate citizens and bring down the USofA, aided and abetted by both parties.

18 posted on 10/31/2003 9:35:22 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: seamole
Apparently in 1996 the total aid to Bolivia was something like $25 Million, it had been much higher a few years before when we gave them helicopters and such to fight cocoa.

Now the cocoa producers are in charge.

19 posted on 10/31/2003 9:36:05 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: GeronL
You're getting close. In many places in SA, capitalism is strictly of the crony capitalism variety, and has failed to create a stable and large middle class.

One of the more difficult concepts for modern-day conservatives to grasp is that "pure" capitalism can be as destructive as any other ideology. If their is not a healthy dose of humanism attached, any system becomes malignant, including capitalism.

As can be seen on this very thread, many Americans are simply too lazy to think about what is happening in our own neighborhood.

20 posted on 10/31/2003 9:36:09 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: squidly; MissAmericanPie; Travis McGee; JohnHuang2; Sabertooth; ambrose; nopardons
Time to cut off Bolivia from the trough
21 posted on 10/31/2003 9:37:35 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: witnesstothefall
Our type of capitalism involves free market competition, thats the good kind.

and still, we need to cut off the aid to Bolivia

22 posted on 10/31/2003 9:38:43 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: GeronL
Time to cut off Bolivia from the trough

Keep dreaming. We haven't even cut North Korea off from the trough. (But I agree with you).

23 posted on 10/31/2003 9:39:59 PM PST by squidly
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To: squidly
These nations you speak of are no more communist than is China, which is to say that they aren't communist.

China didn't stop being Communist.

24 posted on 10/31/2003 9:40:10 PM PST by FITZ
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To: MissAmericanPie
by the tens of millions to vote

There's no evidence that illegals here vote on anything more than a very small scale. But I'm with you on immigration reform. What does that have to do with the spread of communism in South America?

25 posted on 10/31/2003 9:41:20 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: FITZ
China didn't stop being Communist.

They're socialist. It's possible that we're splitting hairs just a tad. However, there is far too much free enterprise in China for it to be called communism. More like a socialist aristocracy nowadays.

26 posted on 10/31/2003 9:42:21 PM PST by squidly
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To: witnesstothefall
People will see a couple very rich people and believe that means a Capitalist system is securely in place. But all countries have some very rich people ---- America and a few other countries had Capitalism for the majority of people which is very different than Capitalism for a handful of people --- for the oligarchy only.
27 posted on 10/31/2003 9:43:19 PM PST by FITZ
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To: GeronL
and still, we need to cut off the aid to Bolivia

Perhaps, but that will only give ammo to the communist agitators. It's a very thorny problem what we should do. The band-aid approach only lines the pockets of ruling kleptocrats.

We invested blood, treasure and time in Europe after the war precisely so it wouldn't go communist as it no doubt would have absent our efforts.

A comprehensive approach to the continent to our immediate south has long been lacking.

The burdens of the arsenal of democracy are neverending sad to say.

28 posted on 10/31/2003 9:49:32 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: MissAmericanPie; All
Gee fellers, this is getting all tense. The real question is what's a good caption for the pic above?

I read this:

And they are coming right across our open borders by the tens of millions to vote and to void the votes of legitimate citizens and bring down the USofA, aided and abetted by both parties. and I got one:

" Keel dee goose! Take dee eggs!

Now, somebody ping JasonC to give up the real skinny on the whole situation.

29 posted on 10/31/2003 9:50:39 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Can we go in and make him disapear??? He should shut his commie ass because we don't play commie games anymore and around 2006 Bush will be in full stride of kicking commie ass and killing terrorist.
30 posted on 10/31/2003 9:52:04 PM PST by Porterville (American First, Human being Second; liberal your derivative lifestyle will never be normalized.)
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To: squidly

2000, Bolivia recieved $123 Million in foreign aid!!!!


31 posted on 10/31/2003 9:55:03 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: witnesstothefall
What you call "crony capitalism" isn't really capitalism, at all. By definition, capitalism requires free markets..which many of these countries lack. In truth these corporatist economies have little to do with capitalism. And any business man willing to hop in bed with the government is hardly a capitalist.

Humanism is exactly what capitalism DOESN'T need. All capitalism needs is for human beings to pursue their own interests..which we tend to do pretty well. Of course there's much more to life than this..family, friends, charity, etc. But none of this has anything to do with capitalism. By declaring that capitalism requires humanism to be benevolent..you've already doomed it to failure.
32 posted on 10/31/2003 9:55:37 PM PST by whiskeyandvicodin
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To: squidly
More like a socialist aristocracy nowadays.

At best they'd be an oligarchy --- but I'm pretty sure there is no freedom, not even economic freedom in China. The government controls the businesses.

33 posted on 10/31/2003 9:56:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: witnesstothefall; dasboot
$123 million in 2000 alone!
34 posted on 10/31/2003 9:56:10 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: whiskeyandvicodin
If not for humanist reasons, then why does the US Constitution provide Congress the power to regulate commerce (capitalism)?

Do you believe it's merely so it can keep it well-oiled?

The Founders were almost to a man self-described Humanists, fyi, not Capitalists.
35 posted on 10/31/2003 10:00:06 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: whiskeyandvicodin
Washington's free trade policies

And Capitalism isn't doing too well with our government's "free trade policies" either. Look at Mexico --- it's worse off than ever and making a sharp turn to the left itself. NAFTA has so destroyed that country that thousands of it's citizens would risk death to get out. The campesino of Mexico has been utterly destroyed with NAFTA. Since they were the majority of the people in that country --- that doesn't seem to show NAFTA or free trade promote Capitalism.

36 posted on 10/31/2003 10:00:25 PM PST by FITZ
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To: GeronL
Bolivia is also asking the US to increase development and foreign aid to poor countries. As are most poor countries.

Translation: more welfare money, huh?

37 posted on 10/31/2003 10:04:03 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17
we only gave them $123 million in 2000
38 posted on 10/31/2003 10:07:15 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: The Bronze Titan
If Latin American opponents of Washington's free trade policies join forces, they could deal the United States a blow as serious as its loss in the Vietnam War

Let's see, when we lost the Vietnam war we left and had some rough times geopolitically because of our perceived weakness until Reagan was elected (Fall of Saigon to Reagan's inaguration = 5 years, 9 months). However, the Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian people were killed by the millions by their own people.

Better not wish too hard for dealing such a blow against us, Senor Morales. A victory like that on your part might haunt you and your neighbors for generations.

39 posted on 10/31/2003 10:12:31 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Pining for the fjords.)
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To: witnesstothefall
I'm not talking about the founders or the Constitution..I'm talking about capitalism. None of that is relevant to this discussion. The founders, like all human beings, were wrong at times but I'm not interested in discussing whether or not they understood or approved of capitalism..simply because I don't care. How do you think that humanism should be integrated into capitalism? What exactly do you mean by humanism, given that there are so many different varieties and interpretations? Do you mean just a general caring for humankind? If so, how should businessmen act if capitalism is to be humanistic?
40 posted on 10/31/2003 10:13:21 PM PST by whiskeyandvicodin
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To: GeronL
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that "only" giving them $123 million is a travesty, or are you saying that $123 million is too much? We don't owe them Jack Schitt, you know. If you don't think $123 million is much, I'll be glad to take it.
41 posted on 10/31/2003 10:15:57 PM PST by squidly
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To: squidly
Frankly, I dont think we should be giving these countries foreign aid at all. It's been well documented (see the works of economist Peter Bauer) that foreign aid goes from government to government..not from our government to poor people. Our foreign aid, in many instances, simply keeps repressive governments in power..and keeps their citizens poor.
42 posted on 10/31/2003 10:21:31 PM PST by whiskeyandvicodin
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To: The Bronze Titan
bttt
43 posted on 10/31/2003 10:23:50 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The Bronze Titan
my 2cents: Bolivia was in the hands of some alleged free-market, anti cocao reformers who milked the US of aid as a bulwark against encroaching communism and a ally in the WOD. They got the dough, prolly bought a bunch a helecopters and guns, and paid themselves a lot of money from the pot, while they told the farmers, whose best friends are drug trafficers and Fidel, to grow a bushel of tomatoes for a buck instead of a bushel of leaf worth a lot more. Fidel and his narco-trafficing buds prolly gave a bunch of dough to agitators to shake the old guard out...they went...and now Bolivia is gonna gin up it's drug trade. Happy Farmers, happy commies, happy drug guys. And if they can figure out a way of scamming the US again, all the better. But I don't think GW's gonna fall for it. I think he thinks that the WOD and communist momentum are linked. I don't know what he's gonna do, but I don't think he'll make the same error as the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S BOLIVIAN GIVAWAY.

Maybe I'm wrong?

44 posted on 10/31/2003 10:25:43 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: whiskeyandvicodin
The founders, like all human beings, were wrong at times but I'm not interested in discussing whether or not they understood or approved of capitalism..simply because I don't care.

Let me guess, a Rayndian, right? Let me ask one question: Do you support child labor laws, or should the free market be allowed to find its resources where it will?

45 posted on 10/31/2003 10:28:15 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: dasboot
Oh yeah...I think this Commie stuff is more a cover for the filthy rich drug guys than any kind of social movement. It's a happy arangement between the two groups, time being. I think.
46 posted on 10/31/2003 10:28:46 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: squidly
I think its way too much, and after this story I think they should get nada
47 posted on 10/31/2003 10:28:51 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: The Bronze Titan
That does it! We should surrender. I never anticipated the Bolivian move. It's over!

48 posted on 10/31/2003 10:31:23 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: dasboot
Well, the WOD and communist momentum ARE linked. The more we step up the WOD, the more momentum these communist movements gain. The WOD gives these countries more incentive to enter the drug trafficking industry because it increases their returns. There's no shortage of poor people over there who are willing to transport some stuff over the border. We increase our efforts to eliminate drugs..drugs become more expensive..therefore more people have the incentive to sell drugs..
50 posted on 10/31/2003 10:32:36 PM PST by whiskeyandvicodin
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