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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates)November 1-2, 2003
Various | November 1, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/01/2003 7:37:41 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - November 1-2, 2003)

Link back to thread 2 - October 30-31)

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Contained in thread 2:

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Contact information for the ACLJ, link for Chris Ferrara's legal brief, Senate Amendment to Terri's Bill, Ken Connor of the Family Research Council joins fight for Terri's Law, contact information for law enforcement and Judge Demers, Republic's impassioned letter to Judge Demers, Schiavo's claim that Terri's surgery was a success, link to CBN interview with the Schindlers (Oct 31), state's medical directors come out against Terri's Law, more links to testimony and legal debate, short bio on Judge Demers, update from the vigil and a doctor's exam report on Terri from 1990. Wacky Sam has also graciously offered to provide server space for documents to be kept to prevent their loss form other sources.

There is also a lot of discussion and links dealing with the seeming network of connnections between the girlfriend, Jodi, various insurance business links and possibly Terri's new doctor. In addition, several questions are addressed regarding Michael Schiavo's hiding of assets and tricks that may have been employed to throw off investigative efforts. Some of the FReepers have been doing their homework on the unholy alliances in the case. Let's keep working to connect the dots and expose the results. Also contained in thread 2 is some of Schiavo's litigious history, a bit more information on George Felos and more on Jay Wolfson. Some information on the doctors involved in Terri's case can be found on this thread as well. Since there are so many posts and links to the above mentioned topics, the best thing to do is to browse the thread.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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BUMP! TERRI'S CASE TO BE DISCUSSED ON FOX NEWS SHOW NOW (6:30 to 7pm timeslot)
151 posted on 11/01/2003 3:34:39 PM PST by krunkygirl
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To: windchime
Thanks.
152 posted on 11/01/2003 3:35:33 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Theodore R.; All
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_michael.htm

copy of letter written by Kathleen to St Pete Times ....

It is a proven fact that Mr. Schiavo had at least one affair and fathered an illegitimate child while still married to Terri before she was injured,
He is paying child support. Since her injuries, it is also a proven fact that he has been with numerous women one with whom he now has one child with another on the way.
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153 posted on 11/01/2003 3:39:10 PM PST by tutstar
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To: tutstar
I wonder when Terri's parents found out about the first child.
154 posted on 11/01/2003 3:41:29 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: sweetliberty; All
I found this LIBERAL? website, and the comments are almost OVERWHELMINGLY pro-Terri:

Dean's World, Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy.

There are a lot of intelligent comments by people who have read up on this case more than average and quite a few links. Going through the comments and links may be helpful.

Also found this excellent National Review Online article

What I like the NRO article is that is provides in easily digestible form the questionable and unsettling aspects of this case. Maybe it has already been posted here. I can't keep up with all the info.

155 posted on 11/01/2003 3:42:36 PM PST by Aliska
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To: pc93
Why not ping Registered? or Paul Atreides?
156 posted on 11/01/2003 3:49:18 PM PST by tutstar
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To: pickyourpoison
good ?, I don't know......
157 posted on 11/01/2003 3:50:21 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Theodore R.
With the attention of the WORLD now focused on this case, you may be pleasantly surprised Nov. 5th! I hardly expect a judge to turn against one of his colleagues, but at the same time, I expect that Demers might be looking for a save-face way to resolve this dispute.

With the birth of Michael and Jody's second child it can hardly be argued he has no conflict of interest nor can it be argued he places "Terri's wishes" above all other considerations, having betrayed his marital vows by living in an adulterous relationship. Of course, MS's excuse is that Terri died a long time ago...but the fact that she continues to breathe on her own proves him a liar.

There really are no shades of gray when it comes to whether someone is dead or alive, contrary to what Michael and Felos say. As long as her heart is beating she is alive and he is an adulterer trying to kill her with the court's permission.

Time for Demers to wake up and smell the coffee! If he finds Michael to be a "good" guardian, he can expect a massive backlash when the Schindlers air all Michael's dirty laundry in public, on Larry King Live this Thursday, Nov. 6.

OTOH, if Michael has been removed as guardian as of Nov. 5th, Demers will be praised as a hero.

158 posted on 11/01/2003 3:50:56 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: tutstar; All; cpforlife.org
connection between Mary Labyak and George Felos
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_felos.htm

"Felos ... was a founding member of the National Legal Advisors Committee on Choice in Dying, and served as Board Chair of The Hospice of the Florida $uncoast. Where did the phrase "choice in dying" come from? Well, there was an organization called the Euthanasia Society of America which changed its name to "Choice in Dying" which no longer exists - it merged into the "Partnership for Caring" which was founded by Ira Byock, MD. Mary Labyak is corporate Secretary and Treasurer of Partnership for Caring.
159 posted on 11/01/2003 3:52:24 PM PST by tutstar
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To: tutstar
Anyone that can help. I don't understand how to ping. Thanks in advance for any assistance or getting others to assist.
160 posted on 11/01/2003 3:52:37 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: sweetliberty
Comments by Jane and Neil just burn me up! Schiavo at least got out his side of the story on Larry King, Jane says.....bleghhhh!
161 posted on 11/01/2003 4:00:15 PM PST by windchime
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To: windchime
Did you hear that dumb@$$ liberal, Jane Hall, talking about the legislature "injecting" itself into the situation? Some of these people should either get a clue or shut the h*ll up! The people put pressure on their legislators and the governor to ACT and they did. What is it about OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people do these historically challenged, neurologically stagnant pod people not understand? I like the comment that the other guy made, what's his name (Jim Pinkerton?), that Schiavo was like a low-grade Scott Peterson. Dead on.
162 posted on 11/01/2003 4:00:33 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: tutstar
Tutstar, did you see my early posts on the connections here (monster thread)? I'm still hunting and gathering on Labyak. Have a substantial amout of stuff on her. Will post to you when got it together.
163 posted on 11/01/2003 4:05:00 PM PST by windchime
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To: msmagoo
If Larry doesn't ask the Schindler's the right questions, maybe some freepers can call in ask a few things.

What would be some good questions to ask?

We need for the viewers to see Sneaky Snake as he really is.



164 posted on 11/01/2003 4:11:09 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: Theodore R.
I know the quote, though I wasn't
watching at the time. But folks on
here argued & argued whether he
meant "the same thing"(with Terri
& his parents) was starvation &
dehydration, or just "quality of
life/end of life" issues.
165 posted on 11/01/2003 4:12:02 PM PST by txrangerette
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To: sweetliberty
"I like the comment that the other guy made, what's his name (Jim Pinkerton?), that Schiavo was like a low-grade Scott Peterson. Dead on."


I liked Jim's comment, too, but what he didn't state is that instead of killing her like Scott (probably) did, Schiavo is doing it in broad daylight with the blessing of the courts.

The pertinent fact not being stated by the media is that TERRI IS NOT DYING UNTIL THEY TAKE SUSTENANCE FROM HER!

(I had to say probably, since he hasn't been convicted)
166 posted on 11/01/2003 4:14:36 PM PST by windchime
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To: sweetliberty
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:11:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [helpterri] Prayer vigil resumes for Terri

Beginning tonight, supporters will resume the vigil held outside the hospice where Terri was transferred in 2000 and light candles at dusk Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings every week.
The hospice is located at 6774 102nd Avenue North in Pinellas Park, Fla.
May God bless you all, Lisa

167 posted on 11/01/2003 4:15:09 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: msmagoo
You are painting the best-case scenario, and unfortunately for poor Terri, she never seems to come out on top -- for long. I think Demers may be so hell-bent on proving George W. Greer and the FL Supreme Court as the true powers-that-be in FL that he will keep Schiavo as guardian. I just had not thought of the possibility that Demers might remove Schiavo. Why? Demers is really just biding his time waiting for "Terri's Law" to be struck down anyway. Demers practically told Wolfson not to get too involved in the case, for he expects a high-court ruling against the law.
168 posted on 11/01/2003 4:17:37 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: windchime
"The pertinent fact not being stated by the media is that TERRI IS NOT DYING UNTIL THEY TAKE SUSTENANCE FROM HER!"

Yeah, funny how they neglect to mention such pertinent details.

169 posted on 11/01/2003 4:19:33 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty; windchime
"The pertinent fact not being stated by the media is that TERRI IS NOT DYING UNTIL THEY TAKE SUSTENANCE FROM HER!"


Exactly! I get so tired of hearing the story misrepresented on the news. I cannot believe the Guardian they have chosen.........just makes me sick!
170 posted on 11/01/2003 4:24:12 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: pc93
When you click reply just add the names of those you want to see the post in the 'to' field with a ; inbetween
171 posted on 11/01/2003 4:30:20 PM PST by tutstar
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To: sweetliberty; MarMema; HiTech RedNeck
The season of devils (Halloween) is OVER. The season of GOD (Thanksgiving-Christmas) Has begun. Maybe we might see more positive action for Terri due to this seasonal shift.
172 posted on 11/01/2003 4:31:56 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: Coral Snake
I pray you're right.
173 posted on 11/01/2003 4:33:00 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: TaxRelief; Republic
NOV. 1, 2003: Here's what the family wants us to do... Prayers for Terri and help with Public Awareness. Terri looks good today. Dutch television was at the Hospice today filming vigil attendees. They interviewed a woman who was in a coma but began communicating with a nurse and she was standing there for a twenty minute interview. They also interviewed another woman who comes to Hospice to support Terri on a regular basis. She happened to speak Dutch. In addition, Dutch TV asked us to act natural, like they weren't there. Well, how easy was that?

I ducked out instead of trying to be "next" for an interview to run some errands.

I returned this evening and there are now about six people holding a candlelight vigil for Terri. There have been two faith healers there this afternoon. New vigilers have shown up who are staying in hotels. All is calm.

When I find their business card, I'll put the url for the Dutch station on a Daily thread because it will be streaming on line this coming Tuesday or Wednesday. floriduh voter


174 posted on 11/01/2003 4:33:06 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Ciexyz
It's a step in the right direction for the judge to take the guardianship FROM the HINO. Take heart everyone

Did MS lose complete guardianship? Sorry, I'm OOT and trying to catch up.

175 posted on 11/01/2003 4:40:46 PM PST by CindyDawg (All the above is JUST my opinion :'))
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To: pickyourpoison
I hope the first order of business for the Schindlers is to rebut all Michael's lies and obfuscations, point by point, from his LKL appearance last week.

IMO they should lead off with the truth about Michael's TWO children out of wedlock - maybe run a video clip of Michael hemming and hawing about having 'one' child in response to a question from a caller.

If the 14-year-old child has been confirmed by airtime, that should be discussed, along with the implications of that extramarital relationship as possible motivation for Terri's mystrious 'collapse.'

Next, a recap of Dr. Michael Baden's commentary in which he RULED out heart attack or potassium defiency as cause for Terri's collapse.

Then a recap of Michael's "loving care" throughout the years, covering his DNR order, his order to not treat Terri's UTI in hopes she would die, his promise to care for her for the rest of her life while asking a jury for funds for her rehabilitation, then his sudden reversal after getting the 1.2 million settlement.

Also I hope Larry King replays Michael choking on the question posed about taking a lie detector test (to determine whether he's telling the truth about "Terris' wish" to be put to death) and Michael telling Larry his "went through this with his parents" (in reference to putting Terri out of her misery).

Michael is a piece of work who took advantage of an innocent, naive girl. He's cast from the same mold as Scott Peterson: a selfish, lying, adulterer who thinks he's above the law. If he harmed Terri because she found out about his affair or out-of-wedlock child, the parallels to Scott Peterson are even stronger. Many suspect that Laci was murdered after finding out about Amber Frey and demanding a divorce.

Scott Peterson: "No child support for me!"
Michael Schiavo: "No tubes for Terri!"

Hope Larry mentions the Peterson case as an example of a "perfect" marriage with lots of problems unbeknownst to family members. I suspect the Schindlers thought Terri and Michael had a "perfect marriage" too when they signed papers giving all guardianship rights to Michael.
176 posted on 11/01/2003 4:41:00 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: MeeknMing
That's okay. It's Verisign's fault.

But, I have it downloaded too. I'm making it available to freepers if they just freepmail me their regular email addresses. Thanks for trying.

177 posted on 11/01/2003 4:49:31 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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To: msmagoo
I want it to all come out. Hopefully it'll happen exactly as you've described it.

178 posted on 11/01/2003 4:49:46 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pc93
Sorry, I didn't email you. The purple is a little hard on my eyes. That would be my only comment. Terri is looking good today, Juan. Per the family.
179 posted on 11/01/2003 4:52:49 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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To: floriduh voter
Perfect. Will do. Thanks so much.

Holland is the center of Euthanasia is it not?
180 posted on 11/01/2003 4:53:11 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: floriduh voter
Does this mean Terri is getting some world wide coverage
instead of national?
181 posted on 11/01/2003 4:56:36 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: msmagoo
Thank you. Several variations, but this seems to be the exact Niemoller quotation (translated into English)

"When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned."

182 posted on 11/01/2003 4:59:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: windchime
I didn't get to see this. Neil who? Surely not Neal Cavuto, who is in a wheelchair himself! Who was this person?
183 posted on 11/01/2003 5:00:29 PM PST by MagnoliaMS
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To: pc93
Item #4 (guardianship transferred to parents/siblings) ought to be highest priority. IMHO
184 posted on 11/01/2003 5:05:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Is the family allowed to visit this weekend? One poster said Schiavo had banned them again.
185 posted on 11/01/2003 5:05:39 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty; MarMema; HiTech RedNeck
One thing that I'm praying for right now is that Mr Schindler has the (censored) to bring up the criminal activity issues in this case in his own Larry King interview and says despite George Felos's and "Chancellor Palpatine's" lawsuit threats that:

1. There is evedence that Michael Schiavo probably beat and strangled Terri to get her into her current condition.

2. That he is ordering IMMEDIATE CREMATION of the body to hide possible physical evedence of this crime which would become MURDER and lose its stature of limitations upon her death.

3. That Michael Schiavo has not two but THREE illigitimate children the first of which was fathered BEFORE Terri's "accident" and probably the cause of the mariatal fight leading up to it.

4. That Michael Schiavo essentially EMBEZZLED the money from Terri's trust fund to pay George Felos and other pro death lawyers to argue for her death in court. (Other felonies tied to murders are usually special circumstances for the death penalty in capital punishment states, another reason he MUST immediately cremate the body therefore is to save his (censored).
186 posted on 11/01/2003 5:06:51 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If the guardianship is assigned to the Schindlers, the case will for all practical purposes cease to exist, won't it? They will just take her home and begin civil suits against Schiavo for rehabilitation funds that he has squandered.
187 posted on 11/01/2003 5:07:13 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
"This is a dangerous abuse of power by the governor and the Florida lawmakers, and it should concern everyone," ACLU spokeswoman Alessandra Soler Meetze said. "It's an extremely frightening prospect when the governor negates a court decision . . . simply because he disagrees with the outcome."

Bet if it was Chiles and it went the other way, she'd be as quiet as a mouse.

188 posted on 11/01/2003 5:08:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: pickyourpoison
http://www.auburnwitch.com/Poems/OtherPoem/OldLadysPoem.html
189 posted on 11/01/2003 5:13:59 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pickyourpoison
bad link
190 posted on 11/01/2003 5:17:08 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pickyourpoison
Michael seemed to have the upper hand by appearing with no opposition but the Schindlers will have their chance to expose all his lies.

I don't think they should even bother to answer to Michael's allegation about them "wanting the money" until they've exposed his extramarital relationships, including his TWO children with Jody. His lack of character showed in his attempt to hide the second child, who was only days away from nbeing born. His attempt to smear the Schindlers by saying they were after the money comes across as self-serving B.S. when seen in context.

The nurse who swore that Terri could swallow and speak should be mentioned, as should Michael's barring of her family from visitation. How cruel is that? and then MS having the gall to say to Larry King her family hardly visited and his girlfriend did more for Terri than her own mother!

Also the Schindlers should mention the numerous orders from Michael restricting their visits, denying Terri Holy Communion, Jody's mother standing guard at Terri's room, Michael preventing Bobby from visiting after he (Bobby)was "caught" feeding Terri Jello, the conversation with Terri's friend about Terri getting a divorce, the advice from that friend to Terri the night of the 'collapse' and Terri's saying she would "pretend to be asleep" when Michael got home, to defuse the situation...and Terri's love of life and the Schindlers belief she would never want to be starved to death, despite her present disability.

I sure hope all of it comes out! Will be interesting to hear the call-ins after the "other side" of Michael comes to light.
191 posted on 11/01/2003 5:17:49 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: floriduh voter
Great news, and thanks for the updates. So glad that the vigil continues! Wish I could be there in person but I'm with you in spirit, and prayers.
192 posted on 11/01/2003 5:19:53 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty
Here's a link to a Florida legal blogger's website with some of the applicable legal documents and a summary of the case from a strictly legal standpoint:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

I'm posting it for the freepers who are delving into the legal decisions; it may have been taken up elsewhere. Sorry if it's already been posted somewhere on FR.

193 posted on 11/01/2003 5:26:26 PM PST by Aliska
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To: msmagoo
I can't get LKL but I'll be here following the Terri thread.

Hopefully this will open peoples eyes.
194 posted on 11/01/2003 5:26:41 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: MagnoliaMS
Oh, gosh! No, Not Neil Cavuto!

These two made the comments to which I was referring.  Should be a transcript up next week.

Jane Hall

Neal Gabler

195 posted on 11/01/2003 5:30:30 PM PST by windchime
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To: pc93
I was able to get the ribbon background changed to white......don't know if you are still interested.

If so, I can email it to you, and you can see how you like it.....don't know how to post it here.:-(

196 posted on 11/01/2003 5:34:23 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: windchime
Early this evening I had Fox News on and was listening, not watching, I heard this comment "M.Schiavo is beginning to look like an old gray Scott Peterson".
I think the tide has changed.
It's all down hill from here for M. Schiavo.
The gutter is in sight.
197 posted on 11/01/2003 5:34:56 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
I think you could probably find what you are seeking here.
198 posted on 11/01/2003 5:35:04 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Theodore R.
They are not banned from visitation. That was only after the video was released to the media. People don't read stuff closely enough and then go off on a tangent. Terri is doing good.
199 posted on 11/01/2003 5:38:32 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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To: fabriclady
Yes, it was Jim Pinkerton on Fox News Watch that compared Michael Schiavo to Scott Peterson. I HOPE that comment hit home with viewers.
200 posted on 11/01/2003 5:40:18 PM PST by windchime
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