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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates)November 1-2, 2003
Various | November 1, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/01/2003 7:37:41 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - November 1-2, 2003)

Link back to thread 2 - October 30-31)

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Contained in thread 2:

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Contact information for the ACLJ, link for Chris Ferrara's legal brief, Senate Amendment to Terri's Bill, Ken Connor of the Family Research Council joins fight for Terri's Law, contact information for law enforcement and Judge Demers, Republic's impassioned letter to Judge Demers, Schiavo's claim that Terri's surgery was a success, link to CBN interview with the Schindlers (Oct 31), state's medical directors come out against Terri's Law, more links to testimony and legal debate, short bio on Judge Demers, update from the vigil and a doctor's exam report on Terri from 1990. Wacky Sam has also graciously offered to provide server space for documents to be kept to prevent their loss form other sources.

There is also a lot of discussion and links dealing with the seeming network of connnections between the girlfriend, Jodi, various insurance business links and possibly Terri's new doctor. In addition, several questions are addressed regarding Michael Schiavo's hiding of assets and tricks that may have been employed to throw off investigative efforts. Some of the FReepers have been doing their homework on the unholy alliances in the case. Let's keep working to connect the dots and expose the results. Also contained in thread 2 is some of Schiavo's litigious history, a bit more information on George Felos and more on Jay Wolfson. Some information on the doctors involved in Terri's case can be found on this thread as well. Since there are so many posts and links to the above mentioned topics, the best thing to do is to browse the thread.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART 2

Michael Challenges Terri's Law, Wants Guardian Appointment Delayed

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: MarMema; sweetliberty; HiTech RedNeck
I think the only to save Terri now with all the corruption in Pinellus County is to put Michael in a position where he either has to SUE or BOW OUT. The strangling has to be mentioned DIRECTLY in the Schindler Larry King interview.
Maybe some FReeper should consider calling the show with a strangling related question.
201 posted on 11/01/2003 5:41:30 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: Aliska
Thank you for posting the link to this site, I hadn't seen it before. Have bookmarked it for reference and updates.
202 posted on 11/01/2003 5:49:11 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: windchime
Whew. Thanks. You really had me worried there! ;)
203 posted on 11/01/2003 5:55:51 PM PST by MagnoliaMS
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To: Salvation; nickcarraway; Ohioan from Florida; All
Am seeking a Roman Catholic in the Florida or any area who can freep me a regular email addy so I can share something.
It is about bishops in Florida and Terri.
Anyone interested, freep me your email addy and I will send it to you. It is "politics" in your church and I thought you might like to have it or share it....sent to me by Nancy Valko, also an RC.
204 posted on 11/01/2003 5:59:20 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: pickyourpoison
Will be watching AND posting on it. Wouldn't miss it for the world!

I think Larry was mystified by Michael's stubborn determination to kill off Terri come h*ll or high water. To be honest, I think Larry was shocked when, in response to LK asking him why the Schindlers are doing this (fighting to keep Terri alive), MS said, "To make my life hell?" with an apologetic smirk!

That's another incredibly callous display that should be replayed during the Schindler's interview. Has Michael no idea how bad that made him look?!
205 posted on 11/01/2003 6:00:13 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: windchime
I'm sure it did. Thank God we are hearing reports and comments on the news.
206 posted on 11/01/2003 6:05:00 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: maxplunder; pc93
PING
207 posted on 11/01/2003 6:06:35 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty; All
What about also doing a graphic of just the ribbon that we can use with our posts and emails?

A word of warning about using it in e-mails, especially to anyone in a government position.

Because many of them do NOT accept HTML codes. HTML is the easiest way to send worms, etc.

208 posted on 11/01/2003 6:14:57 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Orlando; pc93; floriduh voter; All
This women needs to be UNDER POLICE PROTECTION, ASAP !!!

ORlando has what I think is a great idea here.

Is there anyway possible that WE, as an outside group, could hire off-duty policemen to guard Shiavo's policemen?

I'd be happy to contribute, if we could.

209 posted on 11/01/2003 6:22:20 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: All; floriduh voter
Here's a comment (more comments at link) I found from a person who lives just blocks from the hospice http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/273639.shtml

"I am there 25.Oct.2003 02:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A local "Not just close. But there. I live in St. Petersburg and Terri is staying about 10 minutes up the road in a hospice facility.
It has been amazing, just amazing, to watch the live interviews with Terri's parents, brother, sister, priest, and even medical doctors. Then . . . I run home and see what spin the media puts on the story. In just a minute and a half per story, I have been told that reporters cannot fully frame the story as they would like.
Were you aware . . . that a RN nurse has testified she witnessed abuse of Terri ?
. . . after reporting this abuse she lost her job - the very next day?
. . . doctors testified yesterday -people worse off than Terri's have improved with therapy?
. . . Terri has been denied physical and speech therapy?
. . . Michael Schiavo threatened to have people fired who gave Terri therapy?
. . . Terri's medical records - some have "disappeared"? . . . I spoke with a medical person who witnessed Terri eating jell-o and thickened liquids?
. . . Michael, husband/guardian Michael is still threatening to sue doctors who help Terri?
This was a Tampa Tribune headline . . . The issue is "If the husband/guardian has strongly denied Terri therapy, could he not be somewhat responsible for her present condition?" How do we know what Terri could do if she had been treated normally?"

210 posted on 11/01/2003 6:23:34 PM PST by Aliska
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To: tutstar
Excellent find, Tut!
211 posted on 11/01/2003 6:36:34 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: msmagoo
Do we have Demers e-mail address?
212 posted on 11/01/2003 6:42:56 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
Isn't it ironic that the same liberal idealogy that so devalues the family and the sanctity of marriage, uses the legal contract of marriage as justification for giving the decision making power over a disabled woman to someone with clear conflicts of interests who refers to another woman and her children as his "family?"

You are making some great points!! This internal inconsistency in their philosophy reveals the bankrupt and actually psychotic basis of moral relativism. The foundation, or center, of moral relativism is a constantly shifting phantasmagoria of whatever feels good to someone or other at any given time. And anything with has a scent of eternity, or moral absolutes, terrifies and enrages them. That's why on the one hand, they hate traditional marriage and the religious concept of the husband as the head of the household, on in this situation, they have no problem giving the HINO who has a girlfriend on the side life and death control over his "wife".

It is more than psychotic, it is the face of evil.

213 posted on 11/01/2003 6:47:21 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: pram
"It is more than psychotic, it is the face of evil."

You've got that right.

214 posted on 11/01/2003 6:49:31 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you - and so many others - for your heroic service. I just lurk and make the odd (not very useful) comment - but you guys - and gals - are warriors.
215 posted on 11/01/2003 7:04:00 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: sweetliberty; null and void
well ya know .. everything is Nully's fault

BTW ... I haven't had much of a chance to read up on the Terri Threads ... what's the summary, and is this new Guardian any good?

216 posted on 11/01/2003 7:04:13 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Coral Snake
That he is ordering IMMEDIATE CREMATION of the body...

Somewhere on these threads someone posted the FL Statute that prohibits the cremation of a body for 48 hours after death.

Not that it matters. When have the "death seekers," judges, lawyer, heads of hospice, etc. ever cared a thing about the law?

217 posted on 11/01/2003 7:08:19 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty; MarMema; HiTech RedNeck; All
Father Yaheveh - in the name of your Son Yashua Messiah I pray that you give Mr. Schindler the strength to expose all of Michael Schiavo's activities that violate and scorn your commandments when his hour comes on television. Let him stand strong and tell the truth in this case in spite of the pro death host, lawsuits and all other weapons of the devil arrayed against him and his family.

Amen.

It is time for more prayers like this one folks. Mr. Schindler will need strength from GOD HIMSELF in order to stand up to the pro death crowd and finally bring the full truth out in this case on television. You know as well as I do that most of the calls in the interview if any are allowed are going to be from the death culture crowd and that Larry King is going to try to force the interview in a pro death direction this time rather than throwing his usual softballs. Schindler really needs the strength to say that there is CRIME involved in this case on Michael's part.
218 posted on 11/01/2003 7:09:15 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: Mo1
The new guardian is a pro-death advocate and against Terri's Law. He has already been on the talk show circuit before his appointment. He also has connections to Judge Demers and is apparently something of a batterer himself. Another fox guarding the hen house it seems.

I'm starting to think that our best hope is the criminal angle against the HINO. Hopefully the investigations that are being done will turn up sufficient evidence to force his removal as Terri's guardian for once and for all.

Of course, then we would have to pray that the courts don't then take it upon themselves to make decisions about Terri's life, but would give her into her parents' keeping that they might care for her and make decisions on her behalf as they see fit. At least we know that it isn't their desire to kill her.

219 posted on 11/01/2003 7:11:52 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Mo1; null and void
"well ya know .. everything is Nully's fault"

Nully, did you see how she very cleverly tried to dump all the responsibility on you?

220 posted on 11/01/2003 7:13:45 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
The new guardian is a pro-death advocate and against Terri's Law. He has already been on the talk show circuit before his appointment. He also has connections to Judge Demers and is apparently something of a batterer himself. Another fox guarding the hen house it seems.

Can I ask .. What is it about the word INDEPENDENT do these people not understand??

221 posted on 11/01/2003 7:22:59 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: sweetliberty
In order for that to happen soneone has to directly BRING UP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON MICHAEL'S PART in this case on TELEVISION where most of the sheeple get their "news". This whole thing is really in God's and Mr. Schindler's court now.
222 posted on 11/01/2003 7:24:33 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Then why do you suppose that Schiavo has NOT banned them again? Is he so confident that Terri's Law will be struck down that he can afford now to let them visit -- in the hope of strengtening his own public support?
223 posted on 11/01/2003 7:25:28 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Budge
originally posted by pollywog here
224 posted on 11/01/2003 7:25:40 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty
Nully, did you see how she very cleverly

That's me .. very clever .. hehehe

225 posted on 11/01/2003 7:26:29 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Theodore R.
Then why do you suppose that Schiavo has NOT banned them again?

Because now EVERYONE is watching this case .. and banning her parents is bad PR

226 posted on 11/01/2003 7:28:07 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: sweetliberty; tutstar
 

More info on Mary Labyak.....still gathering.

Mary Labyak + Project on Death in America

Updates from the Kansas LIFE Project

Mary Labyak + Robert Wood Johnson Foundation-PDIA Connection

Accelerating Change Today-Printing by PDIA  (ACT)?

Labyak: "Changing the Way People Die in Our Community"

"Lynching the Elderly and Disabled?"(Why We Need An Elder Justice Act)

BOARD OF DIRECTORS  PARTNERSHIP FOR CARING:AMERICA'S VOICES FOR THE DYING

Hospice is Changing:  Expanding the Circle of Care   Page 6-In the Legislature-Surrogate Decision Making

CEO Mary Labyak quoted as admitting to diverting Medicaid monies to for-profit

The Hospice of Florida Suncoast   Dated Saturday, November 1, 2003-PR offensive?

Mary Labyak- Partnership for Caring

Link Lost for this Statement-Conflict of interest; violation of federal policy: Mary Laybak, CEO of Woodside Hospice has direct ties to Euthanasia Society of America and Hemlock for Hospice, an organization that seeks to accelerate the dying process.  Federal funds may not be used for these purposes (see below)

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Labyak is but one player and her connection to 'Culture of Death' organizations is noted many times in searches.  A comprehensive list of these organizations would be useful.  I will begin noting them as I continue research.  The permeation of our society by these groups is mind-boggling.

 

227 posted on 11/01/2003 7:29:51 PM PST by windchime
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To: Mo1
well ya know .. everything is Nully's fault

Sure - blame the fat guy!

228 posted on 11/01/2003 7:30:15 PM PST by null and void
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To: Mo1
I am beginning to wonder what it is about the word HELL that they don't understand. They all seem bound and determined to go there!!!!
229 posted on 11/01/2003 7:30:58 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: sweetliberty
Nully, did you see how she very cleverly tried to dump all the responsibility on you?

I'm a big target...

230 posted on 11/01/2003 7:31:40 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
SMOOCHES!!
231 posted on 11/01/2003 7:33:57 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Shortstop7
Tnx. Send to me pc93@bellsouth.net

Regard and again thanks.
232 posted on 11/01/2003 7:35:35 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: Mo1
That's me .. very clever .. hehehe

Ewe Arse Oak Lever !!! :-))

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233 posted on 11/01/2003 7:39:25 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: Coral Snake
I am beginning to wonder what it is about the word HELL that they don't understand

I'm beginning to think .. they don't care

234 posted on 11/01/2003 7:40:14 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: msmagoo
Thanks, magoo.
235 posted on 11/01/2003 7:43:11 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
Hey, sweet, your doing a GREAT job here!
236 posted on 11/01/2003 7:46:31 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: WackySam
PING!
Looks like some good ones in post 227, this thread.
237 posted on 11/01/2003 7:46:31 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
Did you hear that dumb@$$ liberal, Jane Hall, talking about the legislature "injecting" itself into the situation?

What planet is Jane Hall from?

Legislatures have traditionally injected themselves into situations.

Legislatures exist in order to interject themselves into our daily lives.

Child protection laws. Animal protection laws. Environmental laws. Laws about licensing. Laws about hours liquor stores can be open. Laws about drugs. Laws about horn honking. Laws about selling door-to-door. Laws about school attendance.

You name it....some legislature has probably voted on it.

238 posted on 11/01/2003 7:55:11 PM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: Budge
I was refering to this women.


http://www.rense.com/general43/tere.htm


Here's more data...


http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terridata.htm
239 posted on 11/01/2003 7:59:29 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying CHILD SUPPORT ? To whom,how long ?)
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To: msmagoo
Terri and Michael lived in an apartment at the time of Terri's collapse, so unless they had "renter's insurance", I would guess not. Also Terri used to work for Prudential, so I think it would have been some sort of coverage in that regard.
240 posted on 11/01/2003 8:04:53 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: msmagoo
If MS's life is a hell, it's a hell he created for himself.
He could have taken a hike any time.

241 posted on 11/01/2003 8:13:57 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pc93
I just emailed you the pic........also I think I can help you with the ribbon banner.......if you send it to me without the wording ........just with the ribbon and Terri's pic.....I can lighten the background. Then I can add whatever words you would like.....

Just let me know, and I'll give it a try.

You are doing such a wonderful thing!
242 posted on 11/01/2003 8:14:55 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: sweetliberty
I'm watching my local News (Philly) about the courts appointing a new guardian

Now they are reporting that she suffered from a chemical imbalance 13 years ago
243 posted on 11/01/2003 8:16:57 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Mo1
The chemical imbalance isn't new. That was the grounds of the malpractice award.

Check out the posts referenced in post #71 on the thread about the professor being appointed to investigate. The posts are by someone who was a private investigator on the case and has seen the court records. Interesting take.

244 posted on 11/01/2003 8:22:29 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: msmagoo
I think Larry was mystified by Michael's stubborn determination to kill off Terri come h*ll or high water. To be honest, I think Larry was shocked when, in response to LK asking him why the Schindlers are doing this (fighting to keep Terri alive), MS said, "To make my life hell?" with an apologetic smirk! That's another incredibly callous display that should be replayed during the Schindler's interview. Has Michael no idea how bad that made him look?!

Excellent point.......I agree.....I thought the same thing. I just had the impression that LK was really surprised by all of it. You would think he would have done more research..

245 posted on 11/01/2003 8:30:16 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: sweetliberty
Looks like Partnership for Caring is having to do some PR work.  Check home page where they address the Terri Schindler-Schiavo matter.

Partnership for Caring

246 posted on 11/01/2003 8:34:37 PM PST by windchime
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Budge
Thanks for clearing that up!

Some email addresses from pollywog's post:

Executive Director Of Investigations Jamie McLaughlin
(Secretary; Samantha)
Ph:(850) 410-8240
jamiemclaughlin@fdle.state.fl.us

Also Director of FDLE Commissioner Guy Tunnell
guytunnell@fdle.state.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General State of Florida
The Capitol Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Ph:(850) 414-3990
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us

State Attorney Bernie McCabe
14250 49th Street North Clearwater, FL 33762
OR
P.O. Box 5028 Clearwater, FL 33758
Ph: (727) 464-6221
Fax: (727) 464-6534
This is the only Email addy I could find and it is NOT his, but may, I repeat "may" get to him, but I don't know for sure.
publicaf@co.pinellas.fl.us <--- TRY THIS ANYWAY! And if anyone can get his email addy, please send it to me, thank you!!

Sheriff Rice
Ph: (727) 582-6721 wqueen@pcsonet.com

Internal Affairs (727) 582-6301 sallen@pcsonet.com

General Information (727) 582-6484 kquire@pcsonet.com

David A. Demers (Chief Judge) Rm. 400, 545 First Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33701 (727) 582-7882

Send Email to the Court courts@jud6.org

247 posted on 11/01/2003 8:37:44 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: windchime
Just looks like more liberal double-speak to me, trying to justify the unjustifiable.
248 posted on 11/01/2003 8:38:50 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes. They're playing CYA because they've got all these connections to the issue.
249 posted on 11/01/2003 8:42:53 PM PST by windchime
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To: sweetliberty
For instance:

This is not a right to die case   George Felos connection

MARY LABYAK
Secretary/Treasurer, Partnership for Caring
Hospice of the Florida Suncoast

 

 

250 posted on 11/01/2003 8:51:55 PM PST by windchime
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