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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates)November 1-2, 2003
Various | November 1, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/01/2003 7:37:41 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - November 1-2, 2003)

Link back to thread 2 - October 30-31)

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Contained in thread 2:

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Contact information for the ACLJ, link for Chris Ferrara's legal brief, Senate Amendment to Terri's Bill, Ken Connor of the Family Research Council joins fight for Terri's Law, contact information for law enforcement and Judge Demers, Republic's impassioned letter to Judge Demers, Schiavo's claim that Terri's surgery was a success, link to CBN interview with the Schindlers (Oct 31), state's medical directors come out against Terri's Law, more links to testimony and legal debate, short bio on Judge Demers, update from the vigil and a doctor's exam report on Terri from 1990. Wacky Sam has also graciously offered to provide server space for documents to be kept to prevent their loss form other sources.

There is also a lot of discussion and links dealing with the seeming network of connnections between the girlfriend, Jodi, various insurance business links and possibly Terri's new doctor. In addition, several questions are addressed regarding Michael Schiavo's hiding of assets and tricks that may have been employed to throw off investigative efforts. Some of the FReepers have been doing their homework on the unholy alliances in the case. Let's keep working to connect the dots and expose the results. Also contained in thread 2 is some of Schiavo's litigious history, a bit more information on George Felos and more on Jay Wolfson. Some information on the doctors involved in Terri's case can be found on this thread as well. Since there are so many posts and links to the above mentioned topics, the best thing to do is to browse the thread.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Theodore R.
According to the Florida statutes, Pat Anderson can petition the court for removal of Michael as Terri's guardian. If the last time the guardianship was petitioned was pre-Sept. 2002, then possibly the actual births of two children by Michael and Jodi can act as evidence compelling enough to remove him. Let's hope whatever judge sees this will agree with the Schindlers.

744.3715 Petition for interim judicial review.--

(1) At any time, any interested person, including the ward, may petition the court for review alleging that the guardian is not complying with the guardianship plan or is exceeding his or her authority under the guardianship plan and the guardian is not acting in the best interest of the ward. The petition for review must state the nature of the objection to the guardian's action or proposed action. Upon the filing of any such petition, the court shall review the petition and act upon it expeditiously.

(2) If the petition for review is found to be without merit, the court may assess costs and attorney's fees against the petitioner.

History.--s. 56, ch. 89-96; s. 41, ch. 90-271; s. 1092, ch. 97-102.

251 posted on 11/01/2003 8:52:36 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: pc93; kimmie7
Kimmie did a pretty good job on that Jello freep for Felos. She was having computer problems last time I heard from her, but Kimmie if you're out there lurking, could you lend a hand to this ribbon campaign for Terri?
252 posted on 11/01/2003 8:56:45 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: JohnHuang2
Let's keep working to connect the dots and expose the results.

Are you still in contact with Gretchen Wyler? We could use him right about now!

253 posted on 11/01/2003 9:01:19 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: Coral Snake
In order for that to happen soneone has to directly BRING UP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON MICHAEL'S PART in this case on TELEVISION where most of the sheeple get their "news". This whole thing is really in God's and Mr. Schindler's court now.

Yes, I agree...someone must be first to directly accuse Michael of foul play, and then the ball will be in Michael's court, to SUE for defamation (think discovery and depositions!)

Mr. Schindler said as much in one appearance - he invited MS to sue him.

The doctor who said Terri had a "rigid neck" hedged a bit when asked if that was a sign of foul play; it is not within his area of expertise to accuse Michael of criminal activity) but as he stated, it was his observation that the only other incidence of this "rigid neck" type of injury he had seen was a strangulation injury.

So, depending on how Demers rules, or doesn't rule, on Nov. 5 (on Anderson's motion to remove MS as guardian) I expect some fireworks from the Schindlers on LKL to heat up the debate.

The Schindlers can voice their opinion on Michael's motives, or the way they view the bone scan report, in a way professionals cannot.

254 posted on 11/01/2003 9:03:14 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Saundra Duffy; All
Reminder -Thursday -Schindler's on LKL!!!
255 posted on 11/01/2003 9:03:47 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for that info
256 posted on 11/01/2003 9:03:57 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: windchime
How does everyone feel about an advance directive, are you prepared? Until now my husband and I have just done it verbally and I don't want him caught in the middle of this.
257 posted on 11/01/2003 9:12:43 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: sweetliberty

258 posted on 11/01/2003 9:19:59 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: Aliska
That's an amazing post you found. Thanks for putting it where we all could see it! I'm glad the person who wrote that felt like sharing what they learned.
259 posted on 11/01/2003 9:28:24 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: JustPiper
Does anybody knows Micheal criminal record (R.S?)
any priors ?
260 posted on 11/01/2003 9:30:24 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying CHILD SUPPORT ? To whom,how long ?)
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To: JustPiper
advance directive?
261 posted on 11/01/2003 9:30:26 PM PST by Republic
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To: sweetliberty

May the Truth set Terri Free!

Pray to end "deadly" discrimination against those with brain afflictions.
"Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be satisfied." Matthew 5:6


Pray to end all assaults against the Culture of Life!
Prayer on Behalf of Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo

Much prayer is needed for Terri Schiavo and her family. Send cards to: Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation, 4615 Gulf Blvd., Suite 104-103, St. Petersburg Beach, FL 33706

For more information:
Terri's Fight

Pray for Terri

262 posted on 11/01/2003 9:31:24 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: floriduh voter
Thanks for that report...you cannot know what it means to get first hand reporting from a FReeper who is actually there.

I so want to be there....so much.

Does Michael Schiavo walk past?

Puke.

I don't trust MS...do you know if there is any type of guard watching over terri when that vampire is in her room?

263 posted on 11/01/2003 9:35:30 PM PST by Republic
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To: Orlando
>>Does anybody knows Michael's criminal record

Copying my previous post on this subject...

Supposedly if you go here:

http://pubtitlet.co.pinellas.fl.us/index.html

and plunk down $60 with a credit card, you can access...
I found 3 listings for a Michael Schiavo in the Adult Criminal Lookup, one for a Theresa Marie Schiavo; a car accident case for one Jodi Centonze; various listings for Terri's case, including MS vs. Jeb Bush; 5 traffic offenses for a Michael Schiavo...but the details of these docs are not accessible without registering and paying. They may, or may NOT, be viewable to paying customers.
264 posted on 11/01/2003 9:40:49 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Ohioan from Florida; msmagoo
I'm not sure which post you are referring to, but you're welcome. Likewise with msmagoo for thanking me for another post. I'm mining the net for interesting facts and opinions concerning this case. Wish I could post them all.
265 posted on 11/01/2003 9:45:45 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Orlando
Orlando,

this site,
http://pubtitlet.co.pinellas.fl.us/index.html --- it also has child support records, but they are totally inaccessible to non-subscribers. I didn't give them my credit card and so I don't know what more they supply to those who do. As a non-paying web viewer I got the entries for some categories---for example, Michael's name, doc #, and offense on the traffic offense listings, but no view of the paperwork itself; and in the criminal listings, only the name and doc #, not the offense; and in the child support listings, no access at all.
What you get for $60 I don't know. Hope that's clear.


266 posted on 11/01/2003 9:46:38 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
wow, 3 criminal lock-up, hmmm?!
I wonder what he did ?
Maybe beat his wife ?
267 posted on 11/01/2003 9:46:49 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying CHILD SUPPORT ? To whom,how long ?)
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To: windchime
I read the Partnership for Caring (so-called) link's statement about the Terry Schiavo "Matter" and it sounds like waffling. Like they don't want to come out and say what they really think because of public opinion. It sounds like they're on the side of Soylent Green. They sound as though they are more into death as fast as possible and not into compassionate care.
268 posted on 11/01/2003 9:47:09 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: JustPiper
My daughter and I have written instructions, although, we need to do more research to make sure all the bases are covered. Even when there are no other family members who would be involved, the attitude of the medical community must be considered.

IMO, having a written advance directive protects the person you entrust with your care as well as you.
269 posted on 11/01/2003 9:48:22 PM PST by windchime
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To: sweetliberty; floriduh voter; phenn
Your link to the other thread about Prof. Wolfson was very illuminating. Has anyone conveyed this info to the Schindlers? I'm just starting to catch up on the day's happenings.
270 posted on 11/01/2003 9:48:50 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Graymatter
Thank You.
271 posted on 11/01/2003 9:49:27 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying CHILD SUPPORT ? To whom,how long ?)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I don't know. I do hope so.
272 posted on 11/01/2003 9:50:13 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
You might want to check out this post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1012578/posts?page=86#86
273 posted on 11/01/2003 9:50:18 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: pram
"........and it sounds like waffling."


Major waffling. Their connection to those actively seeking Terri's dehydration/starvation has put them in defensive mode.
274 posted on 11/01/2003 9:52:50 PM PST by windchime
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To: Aliska
Referring to your post 210 on this thread.
275 posted on 11/01/2003 9:56:31 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Graymatter
You know something graymatter, since this case is now worldwide. The media should investigate this.
3 criminal lock-ups, child suport, and who knows what else?

If I had the $60.00, I would check into this. I wonder
if he been charge with domestic violence before ???

Have anybody ever looked into this before ? just wondering.
276 posted on 11/01/2003 10:01:09 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying CHILD SUPPORT ? To whom,how long ?)
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To: Orlando
I am sorry, didn't have my eye glasses on. 3 look-ups.
still interesting to see the 3 look-ups. I wonder what kind of teenager he was with the law?
277 posted on 11/01/2003 10:08:22 PM PST by Orlando (Is Micheal paying child support ?)
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To: windchime
Don't miss the chance to write to our old friend Mary Jo, if you can help it.

mary jo, still in the game

278 posted on 11/01/2003 10:10:55 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: oreolady; Salvation
Salvation please see post 57....
279 posted on 11/01/2003 10:14:26 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
That woman is truly sick. She would have probably made a good wife of the SS.
280 posted on 11/01/2003 10:14:40 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: pc93

281 posted on 11/01/2003 10:20:20 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema; pollywog; sweetliberty; HiTech RedNeck; All
Remember when some of you said that you wanted doug from upland to write a song about this case and he declined feeling it was to tragic for his style of parody. Well I write songs too based on updating 19th and early 20th century public domain lyrics. Therefore I just posted a song about this case that you will find either on the main news/activism forum or on the general interest forum. (Since I have only been here for three months I'm still considered a newbie and therefore my songs tend to wind up there.)
The song is based on the Civil War Song When Johnny Comes Marching Home and can be found either under that title or
Coral Snake Song.
282 posted on 11/01/2003 10:32:32 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: windchime
And I have started the process to become a volunteer for the local Hospice here... I better check up on their attitude. Until reading the Terri threads, I thought all Hospices were meant for caring for and providing comfort for the dying, and helping their caretakers, not hastening their deaths.
283 posted on 11/01/2003 10:35:57 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: MarMema
From Ms. Melone's article:

She is being kept alive for use as a powerful icon in the pro-life political game.

Michael Schiavo is one man. The other side is a movement.

Mary Jo, Mary Jo, Mary Jo. I am disappointed in your assessment of what is going on in the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case. Aren't you aware she is being used as a pawn as a powerful icon in the pro-death political game? The Schindlers are just one family. The other side is THE MOVEMENT! Open your eyes, Mary Jo!

284 posted on 11/01/2003 10:37:44 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: MarMema
You should warn us before we see horrible images like the one you just posted! You could always put a BARF alert out! LOL!
285 posted on 11/01/2003 10:40:24 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: All
I have shared my prayers for Terri but I don't keep up with the daily threads. However, I have just heard something tonight on the radio that you might find interesting.

John Douglas, also called The Mindhunter, who wrote a book by that name about his exploits as the top serial killer profiler and all the cases he has worked on, has a radio show on L.A.'s KFI AM 640 on Saturday evenings. Tonight he was talking about a bad time in his life when he was so consumed by his work that he nearly died.

He had become "one-dimensional" and "obsessed" with his work, and while on the Seattle Green River Killer case, his immune system was so bad that he contracted viral encephalitis. Unfortunately he was in his hotel room with the Do Not Disturb sign on the door when he fell ill and they only found him 2 days later, paralyzed in frog position on the floor. They thought he was a goner. They rushed him to the hospital but they also were having people plan for the inevitable. His family was flown out, preparations for burial took place. They saw the extensive brain stoppage and his paralysis and thought that he would never come out of his coma or if he lived he would never recover.

He said that in the past few weeks he thought a lot about Terri Schiavo because when they all thought he was in a coma, he could feel the agonizing pain of all the tubes they kept shoving into every orifice. But he was unable to respond. He could hear their voices and everything.

Whether or not Terri ever improves is not my point. John Douglas is still writing books and working and has obviously recovered completely (or well enough!) but my point is that even when from the outside, it seems (even to medical personnel) that the person has no feelings or is vegetative or is not responding, HOW DO WE KNOW???? They well could be but have been left with an instrument (body) that is not functioning well enough for them to make clear that they are responding.

Thought you all might be interested. He apparently recounts the entire episode in his Mindhunter book.

286 posted on 11/01/2003 10:51:11 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: MarMema
Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that You continue to bring Terri's situation before the public. Strike down every lie that has been told, Father, and replace each one with the truth ~ a mother's child will die because her crime is disability and her punishment is death.

May outrage sweep across this country, and beyond, as Terri's family continues to speak for her and against her husband. Stir the people to action, Lord .. may they seek redress for this innocent woman through the courts. Bring to light all manner of wickedness that it may wither and die, for it is goodness and mercy that we desire. Convict the hearts of those who sit in the courts of law .. may they know that the people will take no other than justice. I pray, Father, that You will overrule any wrong, and that You will uphold all that is righteous.

O God, so many learned people have come into Terri's life, yet her family remains constant .. her legal team has stayed the course .. those with time and talents have come alongside .. united, we pray that You will release Terri from her prison surroundings and grant her length of glorious days with her family.

May she rest well this night .. secure in Your love and in the love of her family. Fill her mind with memories in which she takes great delight .. let those who look upon her know that it is her mind as well as her body that must be freed. Undertake for her, Father, on behalf of her new Guardian .. may he be worthy of this role and may he be true to its charge. In every area, Lord, take away, bit by bit, all the vicious plans the enemy has put forth .. vindicate this family, for they seek nothing more than the safety and wellbeing of their daughter and sister .. but woe to those who would hinder this .. who would seek death and not life.

"Choose you this day whom you will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15

We praise You, most holy One, in the Name of Jesus, Amen ...

287 posted on 11/01/2003 10:52:02 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: MarMema
You DO know how to make me grit my teeth! :)
I wrote her in a manner as venomnous as hers and then decided not to send it. She is married to the pro-death agenda. Nothing will change her position and writing her would only indicate that she has readership.

One of my comments:

Her Title - "Schiavo's life confiscated by agendas of strangers"

Interesting to find that people who gave birth to, nurtured and unconditionally loved Terri Schindler are regarded as strangers. It is THEIR agenda to preserve the life of their child.
288 posted on 11/01/2003 11:01:38 PM PST by windchime
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To: All
All you night owls...

Fox News Watch will air a segment on Terri's news coverage. Sometime in the next hour, it's now 2:30 am, EST.

Wonder what they think of their own coverage :(
289 posted on 11/01/2003 11:32:23 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
Night owl reporting that the segment is brief (saw it earlier). Note Jane Hall's comments.
290 posted on 11/01/2003 11:38:22 PM PST by windchime
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To: Yaelle
You bring up a good point and it is one that I've thought about over and over. How many times have you gone to visit someone who seems to be on their deathbed, and have been told by those in the medical profession to go ahead and talk to them? They say that the sense of hearing is one of the last to go. John Douglas is a classic example, as is Rus Cooper-Dowda. I'm sure there are countless more that go unnamed. Some of the newest research going on in brain-injured patients is learning that their brains are still hearing the outside world, because their brain activity goes all wild on MRIs and PET scans during this type of testing where they wear headphones with recorded songs or familiar voices pumping through them. Just because Terri (or other supposedly PVS patients) may not always be able to respond doesn't mean that their input is messed up, just the output! Thanks for sharing about John Douglas' story. If it weren't for your post, I probably never would have heard of him.
291 posted on 11/01/2003 11:44:50 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: windchime
Is it worth watching? Or is it more propaganda?
292 posted on 11/01/2003 11:48:47 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Sneeze and you'll miss it! Four comments, very brief. Three here:

Cal Thomas says husband might have helped his credibility if he didn't have a girlfriend.
Jane Hall says FL legislature injected themselves.
3rd head says MS starting to look like a low-grade Scott Peterson.
293 posted on 11/01/2003 11:54:08 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Nevermind. Just caught it, and was it ever brief! Jane Hall and Neil Gabler are pathetic blowholes who have no idea what is really going on here (JMHO)! Glad that Cal Thomas and Jim Pinkerton were there to side with Terri. Was that even 60 seconds worth of coverage?
294 posted on 11/01/2003 11:57:21 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Graymatter
4th head Neil Gabler said that they should take all the emotion out of it and stick to just the facts, but made it sound like the only facts they should look at are the ones that Michael conveniently provides.
295 posted on 11/01/2003 11:59:51 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Ohioan from Florida
As far as getting communication out of the allegedly comatose and PVS, I've been wondering about a combination of brain monitor and Morse(or Morse-like) code, with biofeedback (sounds produced by brain monitor). If someone like Terri could be taught to modulate their brain activity well enough to tap out a message, even if they are unable to muster any coordinated voluntary motion, it could be a breakthrough.
296 posted on 11/02/2003 12:07:40 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's a really cool idea! Do you know of any way of turning that into a reality?
297 posted on 11/02/2003 12:18:37 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: HiTech RedNeck
As far as getting communication out of the allegedly comatose and PVS, I've been wondering about a combination of brain monitor and Morse(or Morse-like) code, with biofeedback (sounds produced by brain monitor). If someone like Terri could be taught to modulate their brain activity well enough to tap out a message, even if they are unable to muster any coordinated voluntary motion, it could be a breakthrough.

For patients who are capable of processing auditory and/or visual information, this seems quite feasible. Indeed, if statements about Terri's apparent understanding of her environment are accurate, I believe the technologies to do this at reasonable price are already available. A bigger problem is getting the approval of her "guardian".

298 posted on 11/02/2003 12:33:42 AM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: MarMema
I wrote her a scathing letter!!
But truthful, about how could she accuse the legislature of going where they don't belong,- in people's lives.
I reminded her that MS did not CLAIM TERRI WANTED TO DIE UNTIL 8 years after she was stricken!!!!!

And that we need legislatures to enact new laws that only allow SIGNED living wills to claim preference to death.
I also reminded her that when it was discovered that "pulling the plug" in the Karen Quinlan case did not "work", kill her, in the euthanasiacs (new word?) goal, they had to invent a better way to encourage people to die!!!
And that better way was naming, making legal, food and water as "life support"!!!!!
299 posted on 11/02/2003 12:34:45 AM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)
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To: sweetliberty
"This is a dangerous abuse of power by the governor and the Florida lawmakers, and it should concern everyone,"

It's a dangerous abuse of power alright, but it isn't the lawmakers and the governor who are abusing it. "


The civil courts are abusing the power. In a criminal court the accused gets a fair trial...Terri hasen't even had a voice in her conviction only the word of her hubby (BARF)


300 posted on 11/02/2003 12:38:09 AM PST by fiesti
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