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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 3-4, 2003
Various | November 3, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/02/2003 11:25:14 PM PST by sweetliberty

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To: EternalVigilance
Why is Dr. Hammesfahr's assessment of Terri overruled ny the courts?
51 posted on 11/03/2003 1:14:10 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: stanz
I don't know.
52 posted on 11/03/2003 1:18:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: All
I am looking for a link to the Richard Pearse info (former GAL for Terri). Does anyone have that handy? I need the court docs filed by him.

FreepMail me the link. Thanks!
53 posted on 11/03/2003 1:18:51 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("...then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak out for me.")
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To: pram
Maybe attorney can get hubby to act like a chicken. Check this out... http://www.altnewtimes.com/e12newz.html

Now, I'm outta here.

54 posted on 11/03/2003 1:28:21 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org FR Site)
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To: floriduh voter; AAABEST; archi_tex; Argonaut; beckett; Beowulf; Big Guy and Rusty 99; ...
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coming Thursday at 9:00 pm EST.
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55 posted on 11/03/2003 1:33:52 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: cyn; dandelion; windchime; Republic; TaxRelief
March/April 2001. Mind Control Can Be Fun (My title). DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME.

A nineteenth century saint was asked, "How can one realize God?" He replied, "One must think of the Lord incessantly, like a lawyer does of his cases." Apparently, even the mystics understand how our minds become saturated with our legal work. Especially while litigating, I am amazed how my mind constantly percolates and churns the case facts, issues, witnesses, strategies, and so on.

Truly incessant, my mind will offer its suggestions while I'm sleeping, eating and, in my last case, showering. I laughed upon realizing that I couldn't even scrub without my mental voice presenting some new angle on a potential evidentiary dispute.

There's nothing wrong with being mentally consumed with our work. The problem is turning down the mental volume and slowing our mental speed when our work does not demand this involvement. Unfortunately, overuse of our mental faculty often makes it difficult to relax the mind. We suffer the fate of the sorcerer's apprentice. Remember the movie Fantasia? Mickey Mouse disobediently uses his master's magic to animate broomsticks to fill a vat with buckets of well water (the apprentice's task), but when the job is completed, he can't stop the magical workers from dumping more water and flooding the castle.

We have created these vast and useful intellects to do our bidding yet, without learning how to operate the shut-off switch, our willing servants can demonize us by preventing the relaxation, renewal and inner peace that are necessary for our well-being.

Meditation is mind-control: you learning how to control your own mind. Control does not mean subjugation. The mind is obviously an essential tool and appreciates kind treatment.

The process of meditation is simple. Sit comfortably in a quiet place with your spine erect, head straight and eyes closed. Observe carefully the procession of thoughts and sensations. Notice what is passing through your awareness, without any need to alter your experience or change your thoughts or sensations. Let your awareness be unconnected to the objects of its attention. Keep your attention clear, yet relaxed. If insufficient energy is given to your attention, you tend to daydream or doze off. If too much effort is used, the process becomes strained and the mind becomes fatigued or agitated. Find the balance between slothfulness and trying too hard. A good meditation posture helps to maintain this balance.

Most meditation systems use a 'focal point,' a place to return the attention to when you become caught in the mind's wanderings. The most common focal point is the sensation of the breath as it enters and exits the tip of the nostrils. As you are meditating, focus your attention on this sensation of the breath. If a thought arises, watch it pass by. Sometimes, though, one thought will trigger a chain of thoughts. You might think of a particular client and before you know it you're mentally reviewing the causes of action for the pleading you will be drafting later that week. Your focal point enables you to pull yourself out of that daydream. No matter how often your attention strays, gently but firmly bring your attention back to your focal point.

Different traditions use different focal points. Early Christian monks were fond of using the sensation of the abdomen rising and falling caused by diaphragmatic movement. Many Eastern traditions use mantras, which are repetitive sounds internally or externally chanted. Many Western monks intone the Jesus prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on my soul." All of these focal points share a common principle: give the attention a home base, a place to rest and return to during the meditation process. Pick a focal point that appeals to you and stick with it.

While the process of meditation is simple, it is far from easy. If your unruly mind has been your master for your entire life, it's not about to now compliantly surrender control. We lawyers think of ourselves as powerful and highly competent advocates, accomplishing remarkable things by the energy of our will and talent. If you hanker for a lesson in humility, try meditating and see how your power of attention holds up against the errant movements of your mind. See how long you can focus on the sensation of the breath before your attention is diverted.

The first principle of the mind is that, at any one moment, there is only one object of its attention. Because mental attention jumps so quickly from object to object (three or four times per second, according to scientists), many mistakenly believe that the conscious mind is simultaneously occupied with numerous objects of attention.

Meditation-the practice of awareness without judgment-slows down the mental procession allowing you to see each 'mind moment' as an individual entity. When this occurs, you may notice something else. Each thought or sensation has a beginning and an end and there is a space between. It's like being stopped at a railroad crossing and watching the passing freight train. When the train is whizzing by, the individual boxcars seem to blur together. Yet, if the train slows, you can begin to see each boxcar as a distinct object and, if the train is slowed sufficiently, you can see the space between each of the cars.

And what is there in the spaces between your thoughts and sensations? And for that matter, what are the benefits of meditation and who is it that is observing all that passes? That is for each of us to discover. Give it a try. Like any new endeavor, regular practice is essential. Select a quiet time and place where you won't be disturbed. Set aside fifteen or twenty minutes for meditation every day and do it for one month. The results may surprise you. Good Luck!

George J. Felos has practiced meditation for twenty-seven years and has given many meditation seminars and workshops. He practices law at Felos & Felos, P.A., from his new location in downtown Dunedin, FL.

I think I'll pass. FV

56 posted on 11/03/2003 1:37:22 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org FR Site)
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To: lodwick
lodwick!! Did you all hold another Glocktoberfest this year??!
57 posted on 11/03/2003 2:00:16 PM PST by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave; lakey
Thanks!
58 posted on 11/03/2003 2:11:13 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks for the ping and the link, EV. ;-)
59 posted on 11/03/2003 2:13:11 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Me caigo a mis rodillas y hablo a las estrellas de plata. "¿Qué misterios usted está encubriendo?")
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To: floriduh voter
The guest appearance of Robert and Mary Schindler on Larry King Live has been moved to Friday, November 7, 2003.
Mr. King's program is televised on CNN. Please check your local listings for times.
60 posted on 11/03/2003 2:19:37 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: george wythe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013441/posts?page=38#38

61 posted on 11/03/2003 2:51:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You posted a link to a copy of a letter from a Congressman (not a medical scientist) recommending a doctor for a Nobel Prize in medicine.

All this proves is that a Congressman wrote a letter.

Was the letter sent to the Nobel nomination committed?

Was the letter received by the Nobel nomination committee?

Was Dr. Hammesfahr's nomination accepted by the Nobel nomination committee?

Where is the letter from the Nobel nomination committee accepting Dr. Hammesfahr's nomination for the Nobel Prize in medicine?

Somehow, Dr. Hammesfahr failed to prove that his nomination was received and accepted by the Nobel nomination committee, after being given ample opportunities by Judge Greer:

A lot of the time also was spent regarding his nominations for a Nobel Prize. While he certainly is a self-promoter and should have had for the court's review a copy of the letter from the Nobel committee in Stockholm, Sweden, the truth of the matter is that he is probably the only person involved in these proceedings who had a United States Congressman recommend him for such an award. Whether the committee "accepted" the nomination, "received" the nomination or whatever, it is not that significant.

What is significant, however, and what undemises his creditability is that he did not present to this court any evidence other than his generalized statements as to the efficacy of his therapy on brain damaged individuals like Terry Schiavo. He testified that he has treated about 50 patients in the same or worse condition than Terry Schiavo since 1994 but he offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no tests results to support his claim that he had success in all but one of them.


62 posted on 11/03/2003 3:07:43 PM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
You posted a link to a copy of a letter from a Congressman (not a medical scientist) recommending a doctor for a Nobel Prize in medicine.

And of course we know that 'medical scientists' are all-knowing and all-powerful...

63 posted on 11/03/2003 3:15:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: pc93
Do you know when the Schlinder's will be on the Montel Williams show.
64 posted on 11/03/2003 3:21:40 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: george wythe
Where is the letter from the Nobel nomination committee accepting Dr. Hammesfahr's nomination for the Nobel Prize in medicine?

The term "Nobel Prize nominee" is relatively meaningless, since there are no meaningful enforced qualifications for nomination. Unlike, say, the Oscar® brand awards for motion pictures, where the "nomination" process pre-selects a small number of the best entries, the Nobel Prize "nomination" means nothing beyond the fact that somebody thought it worth entering the nominee into the competition.

I would expect that the Nobel Prize Committee probably does acknowledge nominations, but that such acknowledgement is probably nothing more than "Dear XXX: This is to confirm receipt of your submission regarding YYY and the Nobel Prize in Medicine" or somesuch.

I have no idea whether the congressman who nominated this doctor had good cause for doing so; what should be relevant is why this congressman thought the doctor worthy, rather than the fact that he was "nominated".

65 posted on 11/03/2003 3:49:58 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: pickyourpoison
For those of you looking for legal documents...

https://pubtitles.co.pinellas.fl.us/login/loginx.jsp?goto=/mainmenux.jsp

I found all legal documents filed here. Go in as non subscription, and do a search for Schiavo.
66 posted on 11/03/2003 3:50:35 PM PST by ZAKJAN
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks, EV! I guess that clears that up for the trolls that claim there is no such nomination for the 'noble'= Nobel award.
67 posted on 11/03/2003 4:05:50 PM PST by windchime
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To: EternalVigilance
great poem.
68 posted on 11/03/2003 4:06:09 PM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: Terriergal
Thanks.
69 posted on 11/03/2003 4:10:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks, sweet, for coordinating all the Terri info into one place! I'm still tracking.....

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70 posted on 11/03/2003 4:10:36 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: EternalVigilance
Now is that guy the one who is going to be analyzing this case?
71 posted on 11/03/2003 4:11:16 PM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: pickyourpoison
No but will let you know if I find out.
72 posted on 11/03/2003 4:14:26 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the info about LKL. Wouldn't it be neat if Jay Sekulow (ACLJ) would appear with them?
73 posted on 11/03/2003 4:18:37 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping!
74 posted on 11/03/2003 4:20:45 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: pc93
Oh, Friday. Something going on at Church but I should be able to catch LKL when we get home. Thanks!
75 posted on 11/03/2003 4:20:45 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping!
76 posted on 11/03/2003 4:21:05 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks for the ping
bttt
77 posted on 11/03/2003 5:31:02 PM PST by firewalk
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To: sweetliberty
So this is where you've been hiding!

Where's Lynn?

78 posted on 11/03/2003 5:34:20 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: supercat
The reason this came up is that Felos et. al. were claiming that Hammesfahr made up the fact that he was nominated. I even heard one of the talking heads say there wasn't any such thing as a nomination process.

But the fact is he was nominated and it is a legitimate nomination.

The procedure for nomination is given here:
http://www.nobel.no/eng_com_nom.html

"Any one of the following persons is entitled to submit proposals:

members of national assemblies and governments;

members of international courts of law;

university chancellors; university professors of social science, history, philosophy, law and theology;

leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs;

former Nobel Peace Prize laureates;

board members of organisations that have received the Nobel Peace Prize;

present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (committee members must present their nomination at the latest at the first committee meeting after February 1);

former advisers at the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
Observing the rules given in the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, the Committee does not publish the names of candidates. "



79 posted on 11/03/2003 5:36:38 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
I even heard one of the talking heads say there wasn't any such thing as a nomination process.

There is a nomination process, just as there was a nomination process for the 2003 gubernatorial recall election in Florida. I would question the judgement, however, of anyone (with a few exceptions*) who would boast of being a gubernatorial nominee.

(*) For some people, like Mary Carey, such a claim might be good for business due to novelty value.
I'm sure being nominated for the Nobel Prize probably feels pretty good, but the term "nominee" might better be described as "applicant".
80 posted on 11/03/2003 5:44:39 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Windshark
Hi sharky! Went shopping earlier (trying to avoid thinking about what I was SUPPOSED have been doing today. And we've been warding off trolls on some of these threads. I haven't seen Lynn about since last night. Still early up yonder though. How's it with you? Don't see you out in these parts of the forum too much.
81 posted on 11/03/2003 5:45:02 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Ahhh...being a bad girl a usual.

Things are good......Lynn told me she's been on these threads so I came over and there you were in all your feminine splendor......getting ready anyway!.......:-)

I have a hard time with this story, it's too gross to believe sometimes.

82 posted on 11/03/2003 6:05:46 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Windshark
It is horrible. Anybody with eyes that even scratches the surface can see that this is not a woman who is a vegetable, nor is she dying. They want to kill her. That's the short version. Personally, I think the courts are just trying to help the HINO to finish what he started 13 years ago. This is more ghoulish that a horror movie. So then Jeb and the Florida legislature try to do their job and rein in the judiciary, who are completely out of control, and now the ACLU is screaming "unconstitutional." Well, the ACLU can go straight to right along with George (I am god) Felos and Michael (I am the biggest that ever lived) Schiavo! This country has become the USA Titanic, and Satan is at the helm!
83 posted on 11/03/2003 6:21:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Windshark
Here's the latest article:

Husband in Right to Die Case Moves to Block Parents in New Trial

84 posted on 11/03/2003 6:24:34 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
You need to send e-mail to AlGore with that little red guy...

"Getting pretty snippy aren't we?"

Ok, ok....I agree already!

85 posted on 11/03/2003 6:25:44 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: sweetliberty
Is he crazy? Does he get money if he she dies?

He can always "ghost write" a book.......doh!

86 posted on 11/03/2003 6:27:56 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Windshark
We don't know how much he collects when she dies and we may never know -- it may not be "public information." He says he will collect no more, but who could believe him or his "lawyer." One thing for sure, he has the law in FL solidly on his side.
87 posted on 11/03/2003 6:31:51 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
Notice that Schiavo got his award the same month that the American voters elected Bill Clinton to the White House.
88 posted on 11/03/2003 6:32:29 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: floriduh voter
I understand the Larry King appearance has been moved to 9 p.m Eastern on Friday, Nov. 7.
89 posted on 11/03/2003 6:33:13 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
You mean the judges.....

I think the new law is not on his side.....but as we have seen judges with an agenda can change that.

"L'Etat, C'est Moi!"

90 posted on 11/03/2003 6:35:32 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Aliska
I wonder what "kind" of Catholic "priest" will marry Schiavo and Centzone (Sp.?). She has been planning a "church wedding" for some time.
91 posted on 11/03/2003 6:35:37 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Windshark
The lawyer has already written a book....or is writing one. I guess he just has to wait until it has an ending. Perhaps his publishers are getting antsy. Who knows, him and the HINO may have already gotten advance money out of betting on the outcome. There weren't supposed to be more delays. Bunch of filthy scum is all they are. I hope I never have reason to set foot in Florida again....EVER! These monsters are right down there on the same level of humanity (and I use the term loosely) as the Islamic terrorists in my opinion. Maybe worse....at least the terrorists don't lie about wanting to kill people.
92 posted on 11/03/2003 6:37:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
You know Schiavo makes ol' Al Capone, who had a part-time Miami residence, seem a little mild by comparison. Capone wouldn't have starved someone to death -- he would have just shot them up front and not missed!
93 posted on 11/03/2003 6:40:32 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Windshark
And NO, I am not mad.....I am FURIOUS!!
94 posted on 11/03/2003 6:40:39 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Theodore R.
One thing for sure, he has the law in FL solidly on his side.

Only insofar as he has a blind judge on his side who's willing to ignore reality when making findings of fact.

With regard to Terri's condition, there's not really enough evidence to prove Greer's decisions wrong (though I would regard them as dubious). But at least two of his other findings defy reason:

Both of these findings of "fact" fly in the face of legislative intent when they put in the "clear and compelling" evidence standard for right-to-die case and the potential conflict of interest standard for guardian-ad-litem appointments.
95 posted on 11/03/2003 6:49:12 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Windshark
"I think the new law is not on his side"

These judges don't give a flying d**n about the law. The law is what they say it is at any given time. They're not judges....they're dictators!

96 posted on 11/03/2003 6:57:54 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I'm shocked.

I've never seen you so worked up.....*shocked*

/sarcasm

Great to know you're still around.........:-)

97 posted on 11/03/2003 6:58:42 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: sweetliberty
See post 90.

*Sigh*

I've decided to sue you for plagiarizing my thoughts.....

And possibly the language of my thoughts!

98 posted on 11/03/2003 7:01:07 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Theodore R.
I wonder what "kind" of Catholic "priest" will marry Schiavo and Centzone (Sp.?). She has been planning a "church wedding" for some time.

None in communion with Rome. If Jodi is divorced and her ex-husband is alive, she will have to get an annulment. Same goes for MS unless Terri is dead.

Most any protestant minister would marry them, providing they are legally single.

99 posted on 11/03/2003 7:01:48 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
If Jodi is divorced and her ex-husband is alive, she will have to get an annulment.

Does anyone know if he is?

100 posted on 11/03/2003 7:09:11 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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