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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 3-4, 2003
Various | November 3, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/02/2003 11:25:14 PM PST by sweetliberty

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To: floriduh voter; All
This is what you'll find at the previous link:

Mon Nov 3 09:11:05 2003 Pacific Time

Terry Schiavo Case: Saint Joseph's University Source
PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 3 (AScribe Newswire) -- A Saint Joseph's University expert is available to comment on the Terry Schiavo case:

END-OF-LIFE - Peter A. Clark, S.J., associate professor of theology at Saint Joseph's University, is an expert on medical ethics with a specialization in bioethics including topics such as end-of-life, stem cell research, genetic testing, and cloning. He offers his perspective on the Schiavo case:

"In the case of Terri Schiavo, she is in a persistent vegetative state and has been this way for 13 years. This has been confirmed by a number of eminent neurologists. It is unrealistic to believe that she will regain consciousness or ever have even a minimal quality of life. Her husband, who is her legal surrogate, believes that if Terri were competent she would not want to be kept alive by the use of artificial hydration and nutrition because it is an extraordinary means," says Fr. Clark. "A legal surrogate, especially a spouse, would know the values of the patient, and thus believing this treatment is too burdensome, has the ethical and legal right to withdraw or withhold treatment."

Fr. Clark adds, "If her parents do not believe that Mr. Schiavo is acting in Terri's best interests, then there is always the possibility that they could see a guardian ad litem from the court. In this way, an objective third party would act in Terri's best interest. However, 19 judges and six courts have believed that Mr. Schiavo is acting in his wife's best interest."

"As this case stands right now, it makes sense for the court to appoint an independent guardian to determine if he/she believes the artificial hydration and nutrition is extraordinary and thus too burdensome for Terri. If so, then it is ethical to withdraw the treatment," says Fr. Clark.

Reach Fr. Clark at his office, 610.660.1867, by e-mail at, or through the Office of University Communications, 610.660.1222,

ABOUT SAINT JOSEPH'S UNIVERSITY - Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive, educational experience. One of only 141 schools with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 3,900 full-time undergraduates and 3,400 graduate, part-time and doctoral students. Steeped in the 450-year Jesuit tradition of scholarship and service, the university challenges students to exceed their highest aspirations, fosters the mature development of values and deepens a desire to help shape the world.

Media Contact: Office of University Communications, 610.660.1222,

41 posted on 11/03/2003 12:14:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; sweetliberty
#38 Re: Dr. Hammesfahr. BOOKMARKED. (he has reddish hair).
42 posted on 11/03/2003 12:14:40 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at FR Site)
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To: EternalVigilance; Ragtime Cowgirl; kimmie7; pc93; dandelion; dixiegrrl; MeeknMing; Joe Brower; ...
IMO, there is nothing "ethical" about bio-ethicists.

By the way, the Schindlers will be on LARRY KING LIVE this coming Thursday at 9:00 pm est. Please tell your ping lists.

43 posted on 11/03/2003 12:18:33 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at FR Site)
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To: EternalVigilance
Beautiful post. I'm saving it in my "quotes" file.
44 posted on 11/03/2003 12:21:06 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: floriduh voter; All
I read on another thread (was it yesterda?)a couple of posts signed by "Harv" who described himself as a PI, that Dr. Hammesfahr was a kook type of doctor with some kind of shady background or credentials, and that he was the only doctor to say that Terri's injuries could have been caused by strangulation. I would be interested if anyone has any more info about this.
45 posted on 11/03/2003 12:26:36 PM PST by First Amendment ((Hi relatives! Why not register on FR and join the debate?))
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To: pram
Let me put it this way. If I had an incurable headache, I'd be going to Dr. Hammesfahr. In addition, Terri has other doctors who are not allowed to see her. Terri's existence is being ruled by Court Order. Her life, liberty and pursuit of happiness have been abused. Thank you Florida Judges for nothing.

There is a lot of disinformation on the internet re: Terri. There are a lot of LIES on tv and the internet re: Terri. People seeking the truth need to visit or go to and watch Terri's flash movies.

Terri's responsiveness is the ultimate truth detector.

46 posted on 11/03/2003 12:40:59 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at FR Site)
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To: EternalVigilance
very good...
47 posted on 11/03/2003 12:46:06 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks just sent the pro-death priest an email.
48 posted on 11/03/2003 1:03:28 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
Does anyone have the dates handy for the California treatment and the date Michael won the money for Terri's rehabilitation?

December 1990-from St. Pete's Times, "Mrs. Schiavo... underwent surgery, performed by Dr. Yoshio Hosobuchi of the University of California at San Francisco in December, to implant a stimulator in her brain. The brain stimulator implant was a success, said her husband, Mike. Mrs. Schiavo is slowly emerging from the coma at the Mediplex Medical Center, a neurological care center in Bradenton, he said. She will undergo at least a year of speech, occupational and physical therapy."

He won the medical malpractice suit November 1992, payment arrived about Jan. 1993

49 posted on 11/03/2003 1:04:13 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:)
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To: Aliska
Good post. Could also describe his condition as a "materialative state."
50 posted on 11/03/2003 1:12:37 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why is Dr. Hammesfahr's assessment of Terri overruled ny the courts?
51 posted on 11/03/2003 1:14:10 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: stanz
I don't know.
52 posted on 11/03/2003 1:18:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: All
I am looking for a link to the Richard Pearse info (former GAL for Terri). Does anyone have that handy? I need the court docs filed by him.

FreepMail me the link. Thanks!
53 posted on 11/03/2003 1:18:51 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("...then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak out for me.")
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To: pram
Maybe attorney can get hubby to act like a chicken. Check this out...

Now, I'm outta here.

54 posted on 11/03/2003 1:28:21 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at FR Site)
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To: floriduh voter; AAABEST; archi_tex; Argonaut; beckett; Beowulf; Big Guy and Rusty 99; ...
By the way, the Schindlers will be on LARRY KING LIVE this
coming Thursday at 9:00 pm EST.
Please tell your ping lists.

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Florida ping list!. . .don't be shy.

55 posted on 11/03/2003 1:33:52 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: cyn; dandelion; windchime; Republic; TaxRelief
March/April 2001. Mind Control Can Be Fun (My title). DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME.

A nineteenth century saint was asked, "How can one realize God?" He replied, "One must think of the Lord incessantly, like a lawyer does of his cases." Apparently, even the mystics understand how our minds become saturated with our legal work. Especially while litigating, I am amazed how my mind constantly percolates and churns the case facts, issues, witnesses, strategies, and so on.

Truly incessant, my mind will offer its suggestions while I'm sleeping, eating and, in my last case, showering. I laughed upon realizing that I couldn't even scrub without my mental voice presenting some new angle on a potential evidentiary dispute.

There's nothing wrong with being mentally consumed with our work. The problem is turning down the mental volume and slowing our mental speed when our work does not demand this involvement. Unfortunately, overuse of our mental faculty often makes it difficult to relax the mind. We suffer the fate of the sorcerer's apprentice. Remember the movie Fantasia? Mickey Mouse disobediently uses his master's magic to animate broomsticks to fill a vat with buckets of well water (the apprentice's task), but when the job is completed, he can't stop the magical workers from dumping more water and flooding the castle.

We have created these vast and useful intellects to do our bidding yet, without learning how to operate the shut-off switch, our willing servants can demonize us by preventing the relaxation, renewal and inner peace that are necessary for our well-being.

Meditation is mind-control: you learning how to control your own mind. Control does not mean subjugation. The mind is obviously an essential tool and appreciates kind treatment.

The process of meditation is simple. Sit comfortably in a quiet place with your spine erect, head straight and eyes closed. Observe carefully the procession of thoughts and sensations. Notice what is passing through your awareness, without any need to alter your experience or change your thoughts or sensations. Let your awareness be unconnected to the objects of its attention. Keep your attention clear, yet relaxed. If insufficient energy is given to your attention, you tend to daydream or doze off. If too much effort is used, the process becomes strained and the mind becomes fatigued or agitated. Find the balance between slothfulness and trying too hard. A good meditation posture helps to maintain this balance.

Most meditation systems use a 'focal point,' a place to return the attention to when you become caught in the mind's wanderings. The most common focal point is the sensation of the breath as it enters and exits the tip of the nostrils. As you are meditating, focus your attention on this sensation of the breath. If a thought arises, watch it pass by. Sometimes, though, one thought will trigger a chain of thoughts. You might think of a particular client and before you know it you're mentally reviewing the causes of action for the pleading you will be drafting later that week. Your focal point enables you to pull yourself out of that daydream. No matter how often your attention strays, gently but firmly bring your attention back to your focal point.

Different traditions use different focal points. Early Christian monks were fond of using the sensation of the abdomen rising and falling caused by diaphragmatic movement. Many Eastern traditions use mantras, which are repetitive sounds internally or externally chanted. Many Western monks intone the Jesus prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on my soul." All of these focal points share a common principle: give the attention a home base, a place to rest and return to during the meditation process. Pick a focal point that appeals to you and stick with it.

While the process of meditation is simple, it is far from easy. If your unruly mind has been your master for your entire life, it's not about to now compliantly surrender control. We lawyers think of ourselves as powerful and highly competent advocates, accomplishing remarkable things by the energy of our will and talent. If you hanker for a lesson in humility, try meditating and see how your power of attention holds up against the errant movements of your mind. See how long you can focus on the sensation of the breath before your attention is diverted.

The first principle of the mind is that, at any one moment, there is only one object of its attention. Because mental attention jumps so quickly from object to object (three or four times per second, according to scientists), many mistakenly believe that the conscious mind is simultaneously occupied with numerous objects of attention.

Meditation-the practice of awareness without judgment-slows down the mental procession allowing you to see each 'mind moment' as an individual entity. When this occurs, you may notice something else. Each thought or sensation has a beginning and an end and there is a space between. It's like being stopped at a railroad crossing and watching the passing freight train. When the train is whizzing by, the individual boxcars seem to blur together. Yet, if the train slows, you can begin to see each boxcar as a distinct object and, if the train is slowed sufficiently, you can see the space between each of the cars.

And what is there in the spaces between your thoughts and sensations? And for that matter, what are the benefits of meditation and who is it that is observing all that passes? That is for each of us to discover. Give it a try. Like any new endeavor, regular practice is essential. Select a quiet time and place where you won't be disturbed. Set aside fifteen or twenty minutes for meditation every day and do it for one month. The results may surprise you. Good Luck!

George J. Felos has practiced meditation for twenty-seven years and has given many meditation seminars and workshops. He practices law at Felos & Felos, P.A., from his new location in downtown Dunedin, FL.

I think I'll pass. FV

56 posted on 11/03/2003 1:37:22 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at FR Site)
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To: lodwick
lodwick!! Did you all hold another Glocktoberfest this year??!
57 posted on 11/03/2003 2:00:16 PM PST by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave; lakey
58 posted on 11/03/2003 2:11:13 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks for the ping and the link, EV. ;-)
59 posted on 11/03/2003 2:13:11 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Me caigo a mis rodillas y hablo a las estrellas de plata. "¿Qué misterios usted está encubriendo?")
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To: floriduh voter
The guest appearance of Robert and Mary Schindler on Larry King Live has been moved to Friday, November 7, 2003.
Mr. King's program is televised on CNN. Please check your local listings for times.
60 posted on 11/03/2003 2:19:37 PM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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