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Black man supports Confederate flag in march
heraldsun ^ | Oct 31, 2003 | Hunter Lewis

Posted on 11/03/2003 6:01:25 AM PST by stainlessbanner

ROXBORO -- Under a warm October sun Friday, a black man carried the Confederate battle flag and led 20 white men up the middle of Main Street to the front lawn of the Person County Courthouse, singing "Glory, glory hallelujah. The South will rise again."

The old song competed with the squelch and squawk of police radios. Outnumbering the marchers, police officers, sheriff's deputies and state troopers looked on from the corner sidewalks of the courthouse.

As the short, gray-bearded man who led the march stepped up to a monument honoring Person County's fallen Civil War soldiers, he was met with cheers from the men holding several versions of flags flown by the Confederacy.

"We love you H.K.!" they shouted.

H.K. Edgerton, a political activist and former president of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP, acknowledged them and launched into a passionate rhetoric in defense of the Confederate flag and race relations in the South.

"You go over there to Person High School and tell the students I said to keep the undying devotion of the South in their hearts," he said, jamming the butt of the flagpole against the cement ground. "Tell the black people of Roxboro about this flag. [It is] history! [It is] heritage! Not hate!"

Person High officials banned the display of Confederate paraphernalia Oct. 7 after a rash of incidents, in which some students displayed the flag while using obscenities against blacks. About two dozen students were suspended in the aftermath, but school officials say things have returned to normal.

The E. Fletcher Satterfield camp, which honors Person County's place in the Civil War, invited Edgerton because of the ban.

Throughout his 30-minute speech, Edgerton harked back to life in the South before and after the Civil War.

He ticked off the contributions of blacks who fought alongside whites and spoke of what he called the "bond of love and affection" between the two races leading up to and during the war.

And he assailed the North, continually blaming "Yankees" for stirring up hate after the war.

"It's hard to tell Yankees about love between blacks and whites in the South," Edgerton said. "The North's divide-and-conquer approach did much to strengthen the rancor between black and white."

"Tell 'em H.K," several men said. "Amen!"

Some of the men who marched with Edgerton wore the gray wool uniforms of the Confederacy. As he spoke in the shadow of a statue of Edward Fletcher Satterfield, a Person County native who died in Gettysburg, the number of onlookers grew to about 40.

The march and speech was met with little dissent, except for a white man who walked out onto the sidewalk on Main Street and shouted to the authorities: "When are the Nazis coming through? Are they next?"

Edgerton said a black woman also told him to "go to hell" earlier in the parking lot as the men prepared to march.

After the speech, the men marched back down Main Street to a city parking lot, passing Royal Medley on the way. Medley, a 54-year-old black man, watched the procession of waving flags near the Henry Daniel Clothier shop.

He said the flag symbolized racism to him, but Friday's display "[didn't] bother me, man."

Born and raised in Asheville, Edgerton, 55, has spent the last decade traveling the South to defend the Confederate flag. From October 2002 into January 2003, he walked the flag from Asheville to Austin, Texas in his "Walk Across Dixie."

Edgerton described the 20-mile days and 77 cities he visited as "glorious." He's been beaten for his beliefs before and said people have called him "everything under the sun."

"I'm not here to defend the institution of slavery," he said. "[But] I've always been passionate about my Southland."

Edgerton said he came to Roxboro to support his "babies" over at Person High.

As for those using the flag as a sign of hate?

"Those babies that do that don't know history," he said, pointing to the flag. "This flag is not a white thing. That red is my blood just as much as it is theirs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: asheville; confederate; confederateflag; dixie; edgerton; hk; hkedgerton; naacp; person; south

1 posted on 11/03/2003 6:01:25 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: snopercod
Ping!
2 posted on 11/03/2003 6:15:03 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Tennessee in June 1861 became the first in the South to legislate the use of free black soldiers. The governor was authorized to enroll those between the ages of fifteen and fifty, to be paid $18 a month and the same rations and clothing as white soldiers; the black men appeared in two black regiments in Memphis by September.
Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia, Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., (Charlottesville, VA: University Press of Virginia, 1995) pp. 218-219

Citing the official US Census of 1830, there were 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-"Selling Poor Steven", American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90

Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a telling of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers' Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378

"In 1650 there were only 300 negroes in Virginia, about one percent of the population. They weren't slaves any more than the approximately 4,000 white indentured servants working out their loans for passage money to Virginia, and who were granted 50 acres each when freed from their indentures, so they could raise their own tobacco.

Slavery was established in 1654 when Anthony Johnson, Northampton County, convinced the court that he was entitled to the lifetime services of John Casor, a negro. This was the first judicial approval of life servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

But who was Anthony Johnson, winner of this epoch-making decision? Anthony Johnson was a negro himself, one of the original 20 brought to Jamestown (1619) and 'sold' to the colonists. By 1623 he had earned his freedom and by 1651, was prosperous enough to import five 'servants' of his own, for which he received a grant of 250 acres as 'headrights.'

Anthony Johnson ought to be in a 'Book of Firsts.' As the most ambitious of the first 20, he could have been the first negro to set foot on Virginia soil. He was Virginia's first free negro and first to establish a negro community, first negro landowner, first negro slave owner and as the first, white or black, to secure slave status for a servant, he was actually the founder of slavery in Virginia. A remarkable man."

I found the reference, out of Michael A. Hoffman II's "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" : Joseph Cinque was himself a slave trader, selling his fellow blacks into this horror after he himself was set free by a US court.

Amistad producer Debbie Allen calls this destabilizing fact a "rumor." She'd better. If the thinking public, black and white, discover that "noble" Cinque later sold his own people in the very manner he condemned, then there will be a second mutiny, this time against Spielberg and his shameless hoaxing.

Here is Samuel Eliot Morrison, one of the most distinguished of American historians, writing in his "Oxford History of the American People,"
(New York: Oxford Univeristy Press, 1965), p. 520:

"The most famous case involving slavery, until eclipsed by Dred Scott's, was that of the Amistad in 1839. She was a Spanish slave ship carrying 53 newly imported Negroes who were being moved from Havana to another Cuban port. Under the leadership of an upstanding Negro named Cinqué, they mutinied and killed captain and crew. Then, ignorant of navigation, they had to rely on a white man whom they had spared to sail the ship.

"He stealthily steered north, the Amistad was picked up off Long Island by a United States warship, taken into New Haven, and with her cargo placed in charge of the federal marshal. Then what a legal hassle! Spain demanded that the slaves be given up to be tried for piracy, and President Van Buren attempted to do so but did not quite dare.

"Lewis Tappan and Roger Sherman Baldwin, a Connecticut abolitionist, undertook to free them by legal process, and the case was appealed to the Supreme Court. John Quincy Adams, persuaded to act as their attorney, argued that the Negroes be freed, on the ground that the slave trade was illegal both by American and Spanish law, and that mankind had a natural right to freedom.

"The court with a majority of Southerners, was so impressed by the old statesman's eloquence that it ordered Cinqué and the other Negroes set free, and they were returned to Africa. The ironic epilogue is that Cinqué, once home, set himself up as a slave trader."
(End quotation from historian Samuel Eliot Morrison)

"To pursue the concept of racial entitlement--even for the most admirable and benign of purposes--is to reinforce and preserve for future mischief the way of thinking that produced race slavery, race privilege and race hatred. In the eyes of government, we are just one race here. It is American."
--Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take it away from those who are willing to work and give it to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

3 posted on 11/03/2003 7:20:18 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, dont waive your rights!)
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To: stainlessbanner
God bless HK Edgerton
4 posted on 11/03/2003 7:22:14 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: NicknamedBob; mhking
ping
5 posted on 11/03/2003 7:26:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
As for those using the flag as a sign of hate? "Those babies that do that don't know history," he said, pointing to the flag.

Kudos to H.K. Edgerton!

6 posted on 11/03/2003 7:29:29 AM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: stainlessbanner
[It is] history! [It is] heritage! Not hate!"

That sums up my sentiment. The Confederate flag doesn't hate nor does the swastika. That some used it as a symbol of hate or for ideas that have been disproved by time, doesn't alter the historical significance of it and it should not be censored from our history books just because some are uncomfortable with it.

I am a Christian. Am I proud that some groups (KKK for example) have used the cross as a symbol of hatred? Absolutely not! But it doesn't negate the good that millions have done for that very same symbol and it should not be scrubbed from our heritage simply because a minority is upset by it.

Adults should be mature enough to understand that symbols don't oppress - only people. It's sad that feelings trump fact so often.

7 posted on 11/03/2003 7:30:04 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Constitution Day; joanie-f; FreetheSouth!; shuckmaster; Rebelbase
Thanks for the ping. HK is a gutsy and intelligent man. See also:

Tight security accompanies SCV march, rally Uptown on Friday (HK Edgerton) Posted on 11/03/2003 9:50 AM EST by stainlessbanner (joanie: good picture of "the hat")

HK Edgerton's March Across Dixie Attacked Posted by FreetheSouth! On 12/14/2002 7:05 AM PST with 42 comments

He's made it into Texas (H.K. Edgerton's march through Dixie) Posted by Rebelbase On 01/13/2003 1:14 PM PST with 13 comments

Former NAACP leader carries Confederate flag across Upstate on March Across Dixie Posted by shuckmaster On 10/19/2002 3:41 AM PDT with 447 comments

8 posted on 11/03/2003 7:54:20 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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9 posted on 11/03/2003 8:44:09 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Excellent article. Thanks for the Post.

RamS
10 posted on 11/03/2003 9:08:25 AM PST by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: stainlessbanner
Just curious... How would everyone here feel about someone burning a confederate flag in protest?
I would think that it would be very offensive to those with Southern Roots and to all who believe in freedom of expression...

I think that civil war (or war between the states ) was about two opposing societies but it was also about which laws took precedence (Federal or State)... Understanding that this has been resolved...


Would anyone like to see a hammer and sickle return to the flagpoles of Moscow?
Would anyone like to see the Mexican Flag integrated into the Texas,California, New Mexico, or Arizona Flag
For those of you who served at Ramstein, Baumholder, Bitburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, Pirmasens, and all those other places, who would be OK with seeing the swastikas?

And on Cinco de Mayo, I don't think those with Castillian Blood would be doing a smart thing if they the Spanish Flag in Juarez...



I will gladly concede that the flag represents a proud and decent people but I think it needs to be said that it has different meanings for different people. For many, it represents an idea that caused two societies within one nation to send their children and loved ones to kill one another because the differences were so irreconcilable...

I don't get upset or threatened when I see a confederate flag flying proudly at someone's home, at a parade, or anywhere else... My objection is to those who are not honest about all of the things it meant... The good and the bad...

We are a big enough country to where there is room for everyone but let us be honest and say that this flag and the ideals behind it are divisive. The confederate flag is a source of pride for many in the south and it is a a source of pain for others that got the shaft instead of the goldmine... Also, it is no different that how the Indians feel about Columbus Day and Thanksgiving...

The Confederate flag does have positive symbolism and is a part of our history that can be discussed and celebrated but I think those who fly that flag high will understand if everyone does not share the same sentiment...
11 posted on 11/03/2003 9:28:02 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: stainlessbanner
Nice man! Seems a lot of folks forget that Black fought alonside of Whites, that there was an emancipation Law passed and to be signed by President Davis when the South fell...seems the basis of the war is a little distorted by time now.

Reparations for slavery? OK, but I want reparations for Indentured Servants. Slaves mostly lived their lives out, even with hard work. Indentured Servants were usuallt bonded for a term of 7 years with a life expectancy of 6 years. We all know that a "rented" car makes a better ATV than the one we own.

12 posted on 11/03/2003 9:46:38 AM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: stainlessbanner
BUMP for H.K.!!!
13 posted on 11/03/2003 9:51:37 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: stainlessbanner
DIXIE BUMP!
14 posted on 11/03/2003 10:08:52 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: billbears
!!!!!!
15 posted on 11/03/2003 10:09:16 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tall_Texan
!!!!!
16 posted on 11/03/2003 10:09:43 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SCDogPapa
!!!!!
17 posted on 11/03/2003 10:10:47 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mhking
H.K. is GREAT bump!
18 posted on 11/03/2003 10:11:27 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dwd1
I know you did not address this to me, but after reading it, I had to make a comment.

I think that civil war (or war between the states ) was about two opposing societies but it was also about which laws took precedence (Federal or State)... Understanding that this has been resolved...

Part right, part wrong.

From: Francis W. Springer's War for What?

"The Union of Sovereign States, each state deriving its powers from its own people, and the federal government having only those powers granted it by the states, ended when Lincoln was allowed to eviscerate the Constitution. Lincoln did not save the Union, the Union that the delegates founded in 1788. A new Union was created in the 1860s with power over the states, power usurped by deception and maintained by force."

19 posted on 11/03/2003 10:40:39 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: dwd1
Also, it is no different that how the Indians feel about Columbus Day and Thanksgiving...

You know, if you saved your receipt, they'll take your tagline back.
20 posted on 11/03/2003 11:14:06 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
:-)
21 posted on 11/03/2003 12:08:21 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: SCDogPapa
Well one positive thing if the confederacy had won... We would not have to pay federal taxes...

Interesting point he brings...

So what you are basically saying is that the supremacy clause became accepted at gunpoint...

I don't think anyone can argue against that effectively...

And also, back then, didn't each state put out troops as a unit with a federal commander but remained identified by it's home of origin... (54th Massachussett's, Tennessee Volunteers, etc) Was there not a centralization of military command structure resulting from the civil war... I think each governor still remained in command of his state's militia but the federalizing of troops started during and resulted from this conflict (please confirm)
22 posted on 11/03/2003 12:15:12 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: mhking
I'll honor any person of the South, defending the South and Southern traditions. The Confederate flag, to me, as a Southerner born and bred, is a symbol of the wealthy elite class of that time taking this nation into civil war merely to protect their ownership of other human beings, and that is not something I can honor. But times change, and for some people the meanings of symbols also change, to something more benign. That may have happened to the Confederate flag, becoming a defiant Southern rejection of the liberals' determination to destroy ALL American symbols.
23 posted on 11/03/2003 12:35:25 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
I agree with but I would recommend raising shields ASAP...
24 posted on 11/03/2003 12:58:39 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: SCDogPapa
bump
25 posted on 11/03/2003 5:43:49 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: dwd1
And also, back then, didn't each state put out troops as a unit with a federal commander but remained identified by it's home of origin... (54th Massachussett's, Tennessee Volunteers, etc) Was there not a centralization of military command structure resulting from the civil war... I think each governor still remained in command of his state's militia but the federalizing of troops started during and resulted from this conflict (please confirm)

That's correct.
Below is a link that should answer more of your questions. This is a very large site, with lots of information. The War is really misunderstood by most people. After being fed the winners side throught my school years, I found things to be quite different a couple of years ago. The facts and information are out there, you just have to look for them.

The American Civil War Homepage

26 posted on 11/04/2003 5:48:38 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

HK bump!

27 posted on 11/04/2003 5:52:06 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: dwd1
Well one positive thing if the confederacy had won... We would not have to pay federal taxes...

You would have paid confederate ones. The confederacy imposed an income tax in 1863.

28 posted on 11/04/2003 6:03:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SCDogPapa
That's correct.

I don't think that is correct. Washington federalized the Pennsylvania militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Federal militia units were also federalized for the War of 1812 and the Mexican War.

29 posted on 11/04/2003 6:07:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rebelbase
I love that picture, and the one of Mr. Hervey:
30 posted on 11/04/2003 7:57:57 AM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Great photo.
31 posted on 11/04/2003 8:00:12 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Non-Sequitur
I don't think that is correct. Washington federalized the Pennsylvania militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Federal militia units were also federalized for the War of 1812 and the Mexican War.

Thanks Non, I'm not always right. :)

32 posted on 11/04/2003 8:29:34 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: Rebelbase
HK's is a better photo to me, but both speak volumes. I salute those that honour their ancestors.
33 posted on 11/05/2003 8:31:28 AM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: stainlessbanner

"And he assailed the North, continually blaming "Yankees" for stirring up hate after the war."

At least someone's got the nerve to slap the dirty Yankees in the face...


34 posted on 09/05/2006 1:44:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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