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Day 4 Scott Peterson Case
Fox News ^ | Nov 3, 2003 | AP

Posted on 11/04/2003 5:44:16 AM PST by runningbear

Day 4 Scott Peterson Case

The Associated Press

November 3, 2003

Defense attorneys in the Laci Peterson murder case Monday challenged the type of DNA analysis done on a hair found in Scott Peterson's boat, saying the technique is too unreliable to be used in court.

Prosecutors believe the hair, found in a pair of pliers in the boat, could be from Peterson's wife, Laci, the mother-to-be who disappeared last December. An FBI crime lab supervisor testified during the preliminary hearing last week that mitochondrial DNA from the hair matched a gene swab taken earlier this year from Laci Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha.

Defense witness William Shields, a biology professor from the State University of New York at Syracuse, testified Monday that while mitochondrial DNA testing can be useful, it is not as precise as other types of DNA testing.

Mitochondrial DNA cannot specifically identify an individual, but if compared with samples taken from a family member, it can show the statistical likelihood that a hair or other tissue came from a certain person.

Scott Peterson, 31, told police he last saw his wife on the morning before Christmas as he left to go fishing near Berkeley. He told them he returned to their Modesto home late that afternoon, shortly before family members reported Laci Peterson missing.

The bodies of Laci Peterson and her son washed ashore along the San Francisco Bay in April, about three miles from where her husband said he was fishing.

Peterson, a former fertilizer salesman, is charged with murder in the deaths of his 27-year-old wife and the baby boy she was carrying. The preliminary hearing is to determine if he will stand trial.

There is no evidence Laci Peterson was ever in the boat before her death, and prosecutors are expected to show that she did not even know about the vessel.

Mitochondrial DNA - a molecule that is much smaller than the more familiar nuclear DNA that is used to reveal a person's genetic makeup - helped identify victims of the World Trade Center attack.

It can be extracted from hair and bones when little else remains of a body.---------

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PROF RIPS LACI DNA EVIDENCE

PROF RIPS LACI DNA EVIDENCE

By HOWARD BREUER

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AMBER FREY May testify today.

November 4, 2003 -- MODESTO, Calif. - A New York college professor yesterday attacked DNA evidence that prosecutors say proves Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife Laci.

William Shields, a biology professor and DNA expert from SUNY Syracuse, told a judge that hair found in pliers in Scott's boat did not necessarily come from Laci Peterson's head and does not necessarily place the victim on his boat the day of the murder.

Pregnant Laci vanished on Christmas Eve while Scott allegedly took a solo fishing trip in San Francisco Bay.

The prosecution claims it can prove it's Laci's hair using mitochondrial DNA and comparing it with her mother, Sharon Rocha's saliva - a method which is far less foolproof than using nuclear DNA.

"It's got a much greater level of ambiguity than nuclear DNA," testified Shields.

Shields also said mitochondrial DNA could be less reliable if a subject and her mother don't share a resemblance. Laci Peterson was a brunette with an olive complexion while her mom is a fair-skinned blonde.

Scott Peterson's mistress, massage therapist Amber Frey is expected to testify this week, possibly as early as today. ...........

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Scott Peterson's attorneys challenge DNA testing

Scott Peterson's attorneys challenge DNA testing

By BRIAN MELLEY, Associated Press

Last Updated 12:35 p.m. PST Monday, November 3, 2003

MODESTO, Calif. (AP) - Defense attorneys in the Laci Peterson murder case Monday challenged the type of DNA analysis done on a hair found in Scott Peterson's boat, saying the technique is too unreliable to be used in court.

Prosecutors believe the hair, found in a pair of pliers in the boat, could be from Peterson's wife, Laci, the mother-to-be who disappeared last December. An FBI crime lab supervisor testified during the preliminary hearing last week that mitochondrial DNA from the hair matched a gene swab taken earlier this year from Laci Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha.

Defense witness William Shields, a biology professor from the State University of New York at Syracuse, testified Monday that while mitochondrial DNA testing can be useful, it is not as precise as other types of DNA testing.

Mitochondrial DNA cannot specifically identify an individual, but if compared with samples taken from a family member, it can show the statistical likelihood that a hair or other tissue came from a certain person.

Scott Peterson, 31, told police he last saw his wife on the morning before Christmas as he left to go fishing near Berkeley. He told them he returned to their Modesto home late that afternoon, shortly before family members reported Laci Peterson missing.

The bodies of Laci Peterson and her son washed ashore along the San Francisco Bay in April, about three miles from where her husband said he was fishing.

Peterson, a former fertilizer salesman, is charged with murder in the deaths of his 27-year-old wife and the baby boy she was carrying. The preliminary hearing is to determine if he will stand trial.

There is no evidence Laci Peterson was ever in the boat before her death, and prosecutors are expected to show that she did not even know about the vessel..........

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DNA in Scott Peterson hearing becoming mainstream justice tool

Monday, November 3, 2003 12:19PM EST

DNA in Scott Peterson hearing becoming mainstream justice tool

By JIM WASSERMAN, ASSOCIATED PRESS

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Defense attorneys in the Scott Peterson trial have called mitochondrial DNA evidence questionable science, frustrating experts and putting under a microscope what has become a mainstream tool of American justice.

Mitochondrial DNA, the genetic identification method cited last week in Peterson's preliminary hearing, has been used hundreds of times in the nation's courtrooms, helping convict the guilty and free the innocent, experts say.

Mitochondrial DNA

Special coverage from the Modesto Bee

It first appeared in a sensational 1996 Tennessee murder trial, but it has been used less frequently in California, which has higher barriers for new evidentiary techniques.

Prosecutors in the Peterson case are using mitochondrial DNA to make a case that a human hair found in pliers in Peterson's boat came from his wife, Laci, whom he is accused of killing last year.

The evidence is key to a possible prosecution argument that Peterson used the boat to ferry his pregnant wife's body to a watery grave on the day she disappeared from their Modesto home. Peterson, 31, is now charged with murder in the deaths of his 27-year-old wife and their unborn son.

An FBI lab expert said mitochondrial DNA testing can be more effective in analyzing DNA when the biological sample is small or degraded, or, as in the Peterson case, when it is a strand of hair.

But Mark Geragos, Peterson's attorney, has attacked the mitochondrial evidence, calling it the unreliable subject of "raging debate" among scientists.

Not so, said Dr. Terry Melton, chief executive officer of Mitotyping Technologies in State College, Pa., one of a handful of laboratories in the United States that extract cellular blueprints from evidence.

"It's been around for about 20 years," Melton said. "The armed forces used it to ID remains of Vietnam veterans for 10 years. Now it's being introduced quite a bit in court."

Experts say mitochondrial DNA - a tiny ring-shaped molecule that's much smaller than the more familiar nuclear DNA that reveals genetic makeup - helped identify victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attack in New York. It can be extracted from hair and bones when little else remains of a body. The process takes a few days and typically costs about $2,500, Melton said.

Geragos grilled the prosecution's FBI witness about the science's weak points, prompting admissions of computer glitches and breakdowns in lab equipment. He plans to call his own witnesses to discredit forensic science techniques used to link the hair to Laci Peterson.

That argument is a long shot, analysts say, because mitochondrial DNA evidence is now typically one of many pieces of evidence used to build cases and most states have allowed it as courtroom evidence.

"It's seen as a legitimate type of science," said Fred Galves, professor at University of the Pacific's McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento.

"The more it's used and introduced into evidence, the more difficulty the defense is going to have in fighting it," said Randy Grossman, a San Diego County deputy district attorney who used it in a murder conviction last year.

Melton, who says she has testified 50 times in U.S. courtrooms since 1998 on mitochondrial DNA evidence, said challenges like Geragos' are bound to become a thing of the past "because there's simply nothing new or novel about any of the lab work."

That's not to say it's foolproof.

Galves said mitochondrial DNA from the human body cannot specifically identify an individual. Nor is it as reliable as the more familiar nuclear DNA samples, which can prove an identity based on a person's genetic fingerprint. But mitochondrial DNA, if matched with similar samples from a person's mother or sibling, can show a statistical likelihood of identification and rule out others.

"It's a piece of the puzzle, another bit of information you add to what you know about your case," Melton said.

Chattanooga, Tenn., prosecutors first used it in September 1996 to help convict Paul Ware, 27, for the rape and murder of a 4-year-old girl. Mitochondrial DNA in a hair found in the girl's throat and other hairs on her bed were successfully matched to a saliva sample from Ware.

Mitochondrial DNA also has been used to clear suspected criminals. In a 2001 Oklahoma case, it freed a man convicted of a 1981 murder by showing that a hair found in the gag stuffed in the victim's mouth did not belong to the person found guilty. Investigators had testified at the trial that the hairs were consistent with the defendant's hair, but the newer form of testing revealed otherwise.

Melton said one-third of the requests for DNA work at her Pennsylvania lab are from defense attorneys. Likewise, Galves said defense challenges like Geragos' in the Peterson case aren't entirely representative of the legal industry.

"I don't think the criminal defense bar has a real interest in poking holes in DNA," Galves said. "DNA can be their friend in a way that no other evidence can." ............

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Hair on Peterson's boat could have been contaminated, witness says

Posted on Mon, Nov. 03, 2003

Hair on Peterson's boat could have been contaminated, witness says

BY JULIA PRODIS SULEK
Knight Ridder Newspapers

MODESTO, Calif. - (KRT) - A strand of hair prosecutors hope will help convict Scott Peterson of murdering his wife and unborn son was susceptible to contamination by police officers and lab technicians, a defense witness testified Monday.

"Contamination screws up results," William Shields, a biology professor for the State University of New York, said during the fourth day of Peterson's preliminary hearing. Shields was the first witness called by the defense in the preliminary hearing, the purpose of which is to determine whether enough evidence exists for Peterson to stand trial on two murder charges in the deaths of his wife, Laci, and their unborn son.

Prosecutors say the dark hair found wound around a pair of needle-nose pliers at the bottom of Peterson's fishing boat belonged to Laci, who was eight months pregnant when she disappeared Christmas Eve. They believe the hair helps prove that Peterson killed her, transported her dead body in the boat and threw her in the San Francisco Bay, where she and her unborn son washed up separately last April.

The defense expert witness said, however, that the study of "mitochondrial DNA" used to identify the hair is imprecise and unreliable, implying the hair might not belong to Laci. Defense lawyers want to convince Stanislaus County Judge Al Girolami to prohibit the hair from being admitted into evidence.

Peterson's lawyer, Mark Geragos, has said in court papers that what was once a single strand of hair somehow became two strands by the time it reached the FBI lab for analysis. The prosecution contends the single strand could have simply broken into two parts.

Geragos contends in court papers that police officers went into the property room and opened the envelope to look at the hair - and it could have been contaminated at that point.

"Would you recommend police officers opening envelopes in property rooms to examine hairs to see if it has a root?" Geragos asked Shields, who spent all day on the witness stand.

Shields said it depended on a police officer's training in handling evidence. But he did acknowledge that at least the inspection should have been documented, especially since the hair could have been easily tainted. A second hair could have blown into the envelope, for instance, or a sweaty fingerprint could have transferred another person's DNA to the hair, he said. If the hair had a root, highly precise nuclear DNA would have been examined to identify the hair. Without it, as in this case, less precise mitochondrial data was analyzed.

Peterson, a 31-year-old fertilizer salesman, was having an affair with a Fresno massage therapist when his wife disappeared. The mistress, Amber Frey, is expected to testify later this week.

On Wednesday, Modesto Police Detective Jon Evers, who began his testimony last week, will retake the stand where he will be cross-examined by the defense about Peterson's alibi that he was fishing in the bay when his wife disappeared as well as his demeanor that night.

Also last week, prosecutors called Peterson's father to the stand as well as Laci's mother and stepsister. None of them knew that Peterson had the 14-foot aluminum Gamefisher boat - which was not kept at the home and reportedly purchased just two weeks before Laci vanished. Prosecutors are trying to prove that the slaying was premeditated and that Peterson........

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Superior Court, Stanislaus County November 3, 2003

Minute Order: Preliminary Hearing
(ie; Fourth day court provided overview)......

Prosecution spars with defense DNA expert

Prosecution spars with defense DNA expert

By JOHN COTÉ AND GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITERS

Last Updated: November 3, 2003, 05:43:25 PM PST

5:36 p.m., PST: Prosecutor Dave Harris sparred Monday afternoon with a defense expert over a disputed DNA testing technique in a contentious exchange marked by squabbling over definitions.

William M. Shields grew increasingly agitated with Harris in a string of exchanges about scientific terms and procedures, finally saying: “You’ve been doing this all along. Stop misrepresenting what I’m saying.”

At one point Judge Al Girolami asked Shields, a biology professor at State University in Syracuse, New York, to “calm down.”

“I’m sorry, your honor,” Shields said. “I’m sorry.”

Peterson’s defense team brought Shields in to testify about the reliability of mitochondrial DNA testing.

FBI lab technicians used the technique on a single hair found attached to a pair of pliers in Peterson’s boat.

FBI analyst Constance L. Fisher last week said the hair could not have been his but could belong to Laci Peterson. Fisher said the hair could have come from one in any 112 Caucasians.

Shields said Fisher used a faulty database to arrive at her conclusion, and recalculated that the hair could have come from one in any 11 Caucasians.

Peterson, 31, is charged with slaying his pregnant wife, Laci, and their son........

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Expert says DNA test unreliable

Expert says DNA test unreliable


Defense attorney Pat Harris, left, and DNA expert William Shields arrive at the Stanislaus County Courthouse on Monday. AL GOLUB/THE BEE


Expert William Shields testifies before Judge Al Girolami as Scott Peterson, right, and Mark Geragos listen. LAURIE McADAM/THE BEE

By JOHN COTÉ
and GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITERS

Last Updated: November 4, 2003, 05:37:28 AM PST

A defense expert on Monday blasted a DNA test that the FBI used on a hair found in Scott Peterson's boat, saying the technique can produce false results that are then compared against a flawed database.

In a day of testimony marked by sharp exchanges with a prosecutor, the defense expert also said mitochondrial DNA testing was susceptible to contamination because of the small sample amounts and the procedures used.

"When I sneeze, my DNA really does go into the air," said Wil-liam Shields, a professor at State University of New York at Syracuse.

"Contamination is the biggest danger to doing appropriate and reliable DNA work," Shields testified in Stanislaus County Superior Court.

The testimony came on the fourth day of Peterson's preliminary hearing on double-murder charges.

The 31-year-old fertilizer salesman from Modesto is accused of murdering his pregnant wife, Laci, and unborn son, Conner. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

The human hair, found attached to a pair of needle-nose pliers, could be key physical evidence linking Laci Peterson to her husband's boat.

Prosecutors have contended in court papers that Peterson's body was in the Modesto warehouse that her husband used in his work and also in his boat. In April, passers-by found her body along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay; prosecutors are likely to try to show that Peterson ferried her body into the water and dumped it.

But Shields testified Monday that the hair from the boat could have come from one in any nine Caucasians.

That stood in stark contrast to testimony from FBI analyst Constance L. Fisher, who said last week that the hair could not have come from Scott Peterson and may have come from his wife. Fisher said the hair could have come from one in any 112 Caucasians.

That discrepancy was due to flawed FBI calculations and an unreliable database, Shields said.

"I guarantee you," Shields said, "the way it is presented (by authorities) is biased against the defendant -- and it's wrong."

The defense is trying to show the testing technique is unreliable and evidence derived from it should be excluded from court. Judge Al Girolami is not expected to rule on the issue until after FBI scientist Dr. Bruce Budowle testifies next week.

Shields testified that FBI techniques do not sufficiently take into account evolving genetic science and could wrongly conclude that a DNA sample could not have come from a specific individual.

Under cross-examination by Senior Deputy District Attorney Dave Harris, Shields conceded that the FBI results, if accurate and not contaminated, would rule out the hair as Scott Peterson's.

Mitochondrial DNA is widely believed to be inherited maternally, meaning family members along the same maternal line will have the same mitochondrial DNA........

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Day four of the Prelim of Scott Peterson hearings.

"Court Doc Online - Day 5 details

Posted on Monday, November 3 2003 at 5:21 PM PST ----

Day 5 of the Scott Peterson Preliminary Hearing on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 will begin at 9:30 am in Department 2. Those with courtroom credentials must be in the courtroom and seated by 9:15 am (PST).

The court anticipates a short day tomorrow. For details, click on "Court Docs" and download the following document:

1. Minute Order: Preliminary Hearing (ie; Fourth day court provided overview) PDF (30 KB)

Court on Monday & Doc Online

Posted on Friday, October 31 2003 at 3:04 PM PST ----

ATTENTION: Court on Monday, 11/3/03 begins at 9:00 AM. If you have a pass for seating in the courtroom, you MUST BE IN THE COURTROOM and SEATED by 8:45 am (PST).

A new court document is also now available online at http://www.pressupdate.info. Click on "Court Docs" for the following document.

1 posted on 11/04/2003 5:44:17 AM PST by runningbear
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To: Rheo; Mystery Y; Searching4Justice; brneyedgirl; Scupoli; sissyjane; TexKat; Lanza; Mrs.Liberty; ...
Pinging......
2 posted on 11/04/2003 5:45:17 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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Pinging......
3 posted on 11/04/2003 5:45:38 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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Pinging......
4 posted on 11/04/2003 5:46:04 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
Isn't it amazing that the contamination of the MTDNA resulted in a match with Laci's Mom's MTDNA.It is not,of course,as definitive as a fingerprint or nuclear DNA but if hair similarities and fibers are used in forensic exams,I certainly think this is just as compelling.
5 posted on 11/04/2003 5:56:26 AM PST by MEG33
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To: MEG33
running thru all these news, I start to get an idea that Geragos is aiming..... but we all know what his angle is..

I just can't stand looking at pics of scaughty, smuggly faced, as if this trial is all about him, not the justice to be dealt from the victimization of Laci and Conner ......

6 posted on 11/04/2003 6:02:40 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
The victim always seems to get lost.
7 posted on 11/04/2003 6:05:53 AM PST by MEG33
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To: MEG33
yep.... I have to get out in the field at work... :o(

Bookmarking....

8 posted on 11/04/2003 6:07:15 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
I hate the way Snotty walks into the courtroom like he's some kind of professional, a business type, smirks, and then takes his seat with his chin(s) jutted out!!
9 posted on 11/04/2003 6:23:38 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: runningbear
That argument is a long shot, analysts say, because mitochondrial DNA evidence is now typically one of many pieces of evidence used to build cases and most states have allowed it as courtroom evidence.

Thanks for ping...

Haven't followed the trial as of yet, how's it looking for Peterson and the defense? I'd say attacking the DNA is a long shot, if that's all they have. Too many people have been freed based on its conclusions. They can't have it both ways.

10 posted on 11/04/2003 6:24:10 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's mitochondrial DNA..Not the overwhelming percentage like nuclear..more like a a 1 in 176 chance than a 1 in a trillion chance of it coming from someone else.It has been accepted in other states,27,I believe.
11 posted on 11/04/2003 6:28:45 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Jackie-O
I am confident that the jury will notice the same haughty attitude when the time comes.
12 posted on 11/04/2003 6:32:56 AM PST by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Not the overwhelming percentage like nuclear..more like a a 1 in 176 chance than a 1 in a trillion chance of it coming from someone else.

Mitochondrial DNA sounds useful then primarily in building the case. But all the defense has to do is create reasonable doubt. The prosecution must have more evidence than this otherwise Peterson stands a good chance of walking.

13 posted on 11/04/2003 6:41:11 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
True.It is a building block,as are all the known things about Scott.You put them all together and it will convince at least some jurors."Concsiousness of guilt" counts in a courtroom.
14 posted on 11/04/2003 6:44:47 AM PST by MEG33
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To: runningbear
Since they have Laci's body, why can't they take a sample from it to test????
15 posted on 11/04/2003 6:50:20 AM PST by trebb
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To: MEG33
Oops..consciousness of guilt
16 posted on 11/04/2003 6:57:01 AM PST by MEG33
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To: trebb
Mitochondrial DNA is the same between mother and child,siblings,grandmother and to infinity.($2,500 a test)
17 posted on 11/04/2003 7:02:50 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Jackie-O
I hate the way Snotty walks into the courtroom like he's some kind of professional, a business type, smirks, and then takes his seat with his chin(s) jutted out!!

OMG, those are my exact feelings. When I see a court video or picture, I start boiling. And the way he nods to members of his family.

Look at this pic of Jackie. She thinks she is a movie star. They all make me sick.


18 posted on 11/04/2003 7:03:19 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: Jackie-O
"I hate the way Snotty walks into the courtroom like he's some kind of professional, a business type, smirks, and then takes his seat with his chin(s) jutted out!!"

ME TOO!! I noticed this from the very beginning! The type of guy who has had smoke blown up his keester by adoring parents, siblings....when what he REALLY needed was a good swift kick, on more than one occasion!

NAUSEATING!!

19 posted on 11/04/2003 7:05:41 AM PST by soozla (DEMOCRATS are the suckiest bunch of suckers that ever sucked!)
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To: trebb
I think that unless the hair has a root attached to it, they can only do the mitochondrial match test. Sharon's sample wouldn't yield a test any different than a sample from Laci's body.

I guess that's why they opened the evidence bag, to see if there was root so that they could do the nulear test, but, alas, no root.

Pinz
20 posted on 11/04/2003 7:08:46 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: runningbear; All
Hearing may be cut short today. Details to follow.
KTVU - Says Geragos has another matter to attend to. The LA trial has a hung jury. Today McAllister will finish his cross of the police officer(?). I think that's what they said.
21 posted on 11/04/2003 7:11:28 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: All
KTVU - Yep. Going to wrap up the cross (maybe some redirect?)of the first police officer on the scene and then call it a day. Geragos is going to LA to tend to his other trial, "with Scott's blessing", he says.
22 posted on 11/04/2003 7:38:22 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Here's the latest on MG's "other trial":

EXCERPT

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/glendale/news/la-gnp-verdict04nov04,1,7349549.story

November 4, 2003

Trial nears impasse as jury splits

Jurors deciding the fate of two men accused of murder are instructed to deliberate further.

By Darleene Barrientos, News-Press


LOS ANGELES — After reaching a decision on one count but declaring itself split on several others, the jury deliberating the fate of two men accused of killing a Hoover High School student were sent back to the jury room Monday to continue working toward a verdict.

Jurors pondering the case of 21-year-old Karen Terteryan and 18-year-old Rafael Gevorgyan said they were confused by the wording of the law in several of the counts against the two defendants. The jury told Judge Michael M. Johnson on Monday that it had reached a unanimous verdict on one count, but was deadlocked 6-6 on several of the remaining counts against the defendants.
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23 posted on 11/04/2003 7:47:46 AM PST by maggief
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To: RGSpincich
That Geragos, such an important man.
24 posted on 11/04/2003 8:11:40 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: pinz-n-needlez; All
I am now hearing the "leak" that the DA's office has SP's fingerprints on some duct tape that was used to hold a missing flyer of Laci. They are saying that it is "similar" to duct tape found at the body recovery site.

Is this not a violation of the gag order? This is not anything that I have heard discussed so far and it just adds to the media hype of nothing.
25 posted on 11/04/2003 8:14:02 AM PST by alexandria
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To: runningbear; hergus
Thanks, RB!

Do either you or Hergus have the picture of the big yellow missing sign that was in the lawn at the Covena house?

Hergus, I searched your site and I know it's there somewhere...I just can't find it and would love to take another look at that particular sign.
26 posted on 11/04/2003 8:16:47 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: clouda
CLLOOUUDDAA!! I just sat down to eat lunch for Godsake! Nothing nauseates me more than Wacky's mug!! ;o)
27 posted on 11/04/2003 8:18:08 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: runningbear; RGSpincich; Canadian Outrage; Jackie-O; Sandylapper; Velveeta
"William Shields, a biology professor and DNA expert from SUNY Syracuse, told a judge that hair found in pliers in Scott's boat did not necessarily come from Laci Peterson's head and does not necessarily place the victim on his boat the day of the murder."

Bawaahaaaaaaa! I just heard on radio news that under cross exam, this guy admitted he gets 60% of his income from testifying and he rarely testifies for the prosecution.

If I was a juror I would believe this guy, yes I would. NOT!

28 posted on 11/04/2003 8:22:45 AM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: soozla
The type of guy who has had smoke blown up his keester by his adoring parents...

Agree! Sociopathic-narcissist is loving every minute of the attention he is getting. He has a look on his face when he enters the courtroom like he is sooo confident his lawyers will get him off, and he's sittin' pretty!

29 posted on 11/04/2003 8:24:21 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Velveeta
"Do either you or Hergus have the picture of the big yellow missing sign that was in the lawn at the Covena house?"

Here's one. It doesn' show much.

From what I remember reading last night about the Duct Tape with Scotts finger prints on it, it was from a missing person poster taped to a pole downtown or there abouts.

It wasn't from this Yellow Missing Person Poster.


30 posted on 11/04/2003 8:35:54 AM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Velveeta
Here are a few pics. You can see the duct tape holding the sign.


31 posted on 11/04/2003 8:36:43 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: alexandria
I would agree with the gag order aspect. Alex.

Can't help but wonder if the tape found near the bodies might not have a print or two one them.

If the tape were contiguous with the sign hanging tape, I could see them matching up adhesive, film, cloth and perhaps even fiber breaks/content. I'm a spinner, and could see matching fiber content, twist angles, and breaks down to the molecular level.

Poor Scotty, too dumb by half to pull this off. (Fingers crossed, lol)

Pinz
32 posted on 11/04/2003 8:37:56 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: Jackie-O
Jackie-oooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

LOL!!
33 posted on 11/04/2003 8:39:49 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: Jackie-O
Jackie-oooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

LOL!!
34 posted on 11/04/2003 8:40:03 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: Spunky
I just read on the CTV site that he said yesterday that he is getting $4000. for his work from the Petersons. Nice chunk of change! Wonder which Peterson is footing the bill? And I read somewhere yesterday that Lee and Wecht refused to testify on the DNA, that they HAD to go with this guy. (scraping the bottom of the barrel for "expert testimony?)
35 posted on 11/04/2003 8:42:04 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: clouda
That's it! Thank you, Clouda! I knew that I remembered silver duct tape on that sign.

I saw the footage last night about SP and some woman putting up a sign on a pole. That was a clear tape (like packing tape) and not what I consider duct tape.

When I heard the news reports of duct tape, it immediately conjurs ups the heavy sticky silver tape.

Is clear plastic tape ever referred to as duct tape?
36 posted on 11/04/2003 8:45:24 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: clouda
That last pic of him holding out the flier is pathetic! He knew damn well where the hell they were..quite the actor. Makes me sick...
37 posted on 11/04/2003 8:45:50 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Sandylapper; Velveeta
Geeeeez! Sandylapper if I had of found this picture a long time ago I would have known that, that part of the house with the 3 windows is fenced off. A courtyard to the front door.

Now I can see Scott opening the gate and going in.

BLUSH! BLUSH! BLUSH! :-)

38 posted on 11/04/2003 8:49:42 AM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
Not only that! The guy has never extracted mtDNA in a lab!

"I'm not a DNA expert, I just play one for the defense"

$$$$Cha Ching$$$$
39 posted on 11/04/2003 8:51:24 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: Jackie-O
It can get worse. How about Scott dressed as Jackie.


40 posted on 11/04/2003 8:51:51 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: Velveeta
I always thought duct tape was silver.
41 posted on 11/04/2003 8:52:27 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: Jackie-O
OOOOh, I just can't WAIT until that infernal smirk is wiped off his mug, for good.

He still thinks "you've got nothing on me".

Hang on to your pliers, Manure Boy, Laci will get her day in court!
42 posted on 11/04/2003 8:54:17 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: Jackie-O
Yup, making a big show of holding out the fliers, ("hey look at me, I am going to post some fliers")as he is off to go either, golfing, make calls to Amber, drinking, or all of them.
43 posted on 11/04/2003 8:56:36 AM PST by clouda (terrisfight.org)
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To: clouda
LOLOL!!! Maybe Bubba makes his dress like that in the slammer!
44 posted on 11/04/2003 8:57:59 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Spunky
LOL!
45 posted on 11/04/2003 8:58:12 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: clouda; Velveeta; Sandylapper; Jackie-O; Canadian Outrage; RGSpincich; runningbear
"You can see the duct tape holding the sign."

If your saying that shiny looking stuff at the top of the sign is duct tape, what the heck is it taped to?

That looks more to me like it would be some kind of a clamp, clamping it to a board.
I may be wrong, although you can't tape to air, but pictures are decieving. :-)

46 posted on 11/04/2003 8:59:42 AM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: clouda
Oh, Gawd. That is just plain freaky!
47 posted on 11/04/2003 8:59:48 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: runningbear
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48 posted on 11/04/2003 9:01:44 AM PST by maggief
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To: Velveeta
I think duct tape is, by definition, the stuff with a mesh cloth between the adhesive and film. But it doesn't need to be silver film. Our house contains duct tape rolls that are black, silver, green, white, and purple.

Pinz
49 posted on 11/04/2003 9:01:48 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: Spunky
It's taped to two metal poles (like rebar?)one on each end of the sign.
50 posted on 11/04/2003 9:01:58 AM PST by Velveeta
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