We Were Soldiers — Betrayed in Viet Nam

Robert L. Kocher (freeper RLK)

[Sir Gawain]

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[Alberta's Child]

. . . the prospects of losing 500,000 American lives to obliterate a 1,000,000 strong army of psychotics in their own area of the world are going to present enormous difficulty.

This just about sums it all up, doesn't it. Today, it's even worse -- the prospects of losing 500 American lives to obliterate an army of 1 million in their own area of the world doesn't sound like a very good trade-off.

[laconic]

McNamara IS laughing. His book (and national campaign promoting the "WE were wrong" summation of it) was used as an exculpatory by Clinton for dodging the draft (remember Wolf Blitzer asking him at a press conference if it justified his actions: "I believe it does"). In return for throwing manure for the veterans and their families who served his idiotic policies, McNamara is invited back to Georgetown cocktail parties, can once more visit Harvard, and sits on the Board of The Washington Post (might explain why you never read a critical word about him in that newspaper). He's a thoroughly bad character without a sou of remorse for his utter incompetence or compliments for those who fought for his mistakes.

[Killborn]

Ho Chi Minh is Vietnam's Hitler. He killed more Vietnamese than the Americans could ever did, women, children, and other innocents.

I'm sure he's getting his just rewards in the pit of flames.

I don't know much about McNamara but now that I know about his grevious Vietnamese butt kissing and pro-Cilnton spin, I hate his guts.

He needs a cell next to the JAWS (John A. Walker and his gang of treasonous spies) Clan.

[onedoug]

I believe we won the Vietnam War.

[Killborn]

that's great!

Umm... please elaborate

[neverdem]

BUMP

When I came back from Viet-Nam my political bent was for anarchy.

[Killborn]

WhY?

[neverdem]

Why?

I was quite disillusioned. Time heals most wounds. I still prefer as little gov't as possible.

[Killborn]

That's always good. Thank you for your service to our great country. God bless you and your comrades in arms.

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[caisson71]

We did win the battles, the American people quit on the war and abandoned its military.

[VxH]

>>"We Cannot Be Defeated"

>>The British lost 4,500,000 men in self-destructive tactics which
>>were a declaration that they would not be defeated.
>>However the terrible cost they paid would eventually
>>send much of a generation to graves.

...

>>I read accounts of actions in Afghanistan and Iraq,
>>and I am appalled. I can't imagine what these kids
>>or the military think they are doing over there.
>>Basically, they are helpless.


What price, arrogance?

Ivan is smiling.

[onedoug]

By how entrepreneuership works its way northward there; its pepople more creative, innovative and industrious than the Chinese, their economic genie having been released, and the political freedom which I feel are exceeding the constraints of Communism....

...All a function of course, of whether we will succeed in securing liberty in the Middle East, in which if we fail, our own society will implode and the world will descend into chaos.

[Killborn]

Amen.

[TomSmedley]

bump

[Killborn]

Pray that America succeeds in defeating all her enemies, foreign and domestic.

[fourdeuce82d]

Sorry, I go to this part and had to quit:

A relatively few cannon loaded with grape would cut such groups down like wheat. Therefore, Napoleon conquered all in his path until his armies froze to death in the harsh Russian winter — a mistake repeated by Hitler some years later.

Guy7 has no idea what he's talking about- napoleon did not owe his success to the use of grapeshot, and he lost the bul of his men in the russian invasion during the SUMMER, not the winter.

Napoleon's, and other artillery of the period, suffered from some difficulties. They suffered from lack of mobility and slow rates of fire.

uhh...yeah, realatively speaking...but you're compeltely missing the point that Napoleon took steps to increase the mobility of his guns, so they could be moved about the battlefield, and brought to bear at critical points.

Again, the guy doesn't have a clue.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt