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Drudge: It's The Beginning Of A Second Media Century
drudgereport.com ^ | November 4, 2003 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 11/04/2003 10:11:45 AM PST by lainie

MSNBC, SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Welcome back to the show. I'm Joe Scarborough. A news flash: Matt Drudge in the "Drudge Report" is reporting tonight that CBS is going to be pulling "The Reagans." They will yank it, not show it and are going to be giving it to Showtime to show. With us right now, the man who broke the story, just like all the other stories that he's broken over the past five, six, seven years. We've got Matt Drudge of the "Drudge Report" on the line.

Matt, you have done it again. What do you know about this story on "The Reagans"?

MATT DRUDGE, "DRUDGE REPORT": They've replaced it with a story on the Bushes. Author Kitty Kelly has sold it to CBS. No, just kidding. A tremendous night. It's the beginning of a second media century, Joe, where it's much more of a people-driven media. And I say that not lightly. It was the Internet, it was talk radio, it was cable that put pressure on CBS, and heretofore, there's never been this kind of pressure applied to one of the big titans, one of the big three. And the pressure went all the way to the top of a super company called Viacom, and the chairman earlier today is my information said, "Listen, let's just get it on cable. Let's do it on Showtime. Let's show it uncut. Everybody will watch." So the word is that CBS will pass on it. It will not air on free television, but the full glory of "The Reagans" will air on Showtime.

SCARBOROUGH: Matt Drudge, you have driven this story for weeks. You, of course, were the one that got the script, the "I am the antichrist" quote from the script, Streisand drawing a distance from "The Reagans." It's remarkable the inside information that you have had. Why have you been driving the story so much? Why do you think this is such an important story right now?

DRUDGE: It is because to me, it was a defining moment when a script became available. The "New York Times," in all fairness, was the first one to go out ahead of it. Now, over the summer, I warned my radio audience over the Premier Radio Networks, "Watch out. This is coming. It's nasty, it's vicious. They're filming it now." They wouldn't even film this in the United States. That's how hot this thing was. They had to go up to Canada. Or maybe it was the cost cutting for production value. But to me, it was such a clear misrepresentation of reality that you've got to be careful, especially with a man suffering from severe Alzheimer's who's not able to defend himself.

Joe, I challenged Moonves to say: "Why don't you put Nancy Reagan on the air? Why don't you let her say this is trash, and this is hurtful, and her husband can't defend himself? And they wouldn't do it. So to have them in retreat, again, is a great win for a new media of all stripes.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, you know, it's interesting, you were talking about warning your radio audience, and I, you know, I listened to it that Sunday night and every Sunday night afterwards, and we were flooded with e-mails once you started breaking the news. Merv Griffin told us about it, said it was coming. But yet you touched on something, I think, that's even bigger than the story tonight. And that is that this is the new media striking back at Viacom, a multinational media conglomeration, and your reports, talk radio, alternative media, forcing Viacom to back down. That's in a sense even bigger than the impeachment story that you started breaking in 1998, isn't it?

DRUDGE: I don't know. I'll leave that to others to decide. But again, this goes straight to the heart of an issue that who owns the air waves and, if people have a right to criticize, to talk about things while they're in production is a whole new way of thinking. It used to be you would consume the product, and then you would get outraged, and you wouldn't have an outlet. And your previous guest, Bernie Goldberg, demonstrated that so well in his two new book -- in his new book and his previous book, that there was nowhere else to go. You had to deal with it. But we are living in a new media environment where people can send e-mails. There are a lot of different ways now to communicate. And again, this is a clear example where people rose up, because it was hurtful and vicious on a beloved American character. Now, Tom Shales of the "Washington Post" thought this was too soon and tacky. Liz Smith, the great liberal gossip columnist in the spirit of Winchell and Hedda said this is tacky and not good. So even the left was uncomfortable. It was only the ardent ones -- the Streisands -- who were digging in and saying this must air!

SCARBOROUGH: What's been your response from your Sunday night audience and Drudge radio? What's been the response to all those -- the millions who come to the "Drudge Report" every day, to your breaking stories on "The Reagans"? Have you been overwhelmed with the anti-CBS response you've gotten since you started driving this story?

DRUDGE: It is mixed. We are -- there are many people in this country, rightfully so, who are not pro boycott and who are uncomfortable with censorship. And to their solace, it is going to air uncut in Showtime, and they wouldn't have seen it uncut on CBS, as "Newsweek" reported. They'd already taken a machete to it. The AIDS line had been cut. Moonves was ordering more cuts as late as this weekend, the CBS chairman. So they will see it in its full glory, so to say that it will never air is wrong and false. But for it to air on a beloved CBS, which just celebrated its 75th anniversary last night in the spirit of "Lucy" and Jackie Gleason, and all the great quality of CBS, this just didn't fit. And this is not what they ordered. They ordered a love story, and it ended up just being a political hit job. Again, quoting Reagan in one bizarre scene, "I am the anti-Christ." I mean, David Geffen could not have scripted this one better.

SCARBOROUGH: I tell you, when you posted that last week, "I am the anti-Christ," I think that may have been the turning point in this entire debate. And I saw the CBS 75th anniversary last night, a remarkable show about a remarkable network with a very proud history. And you're right, it doesn't fit. Got to ask you one final question, Matt. How do you do it? How do you have the sources that you have at "Newsweek," at CBS, at the "New York Times"? How do you break these stories week in and week out?

DRUDGE: It's an army of concerned citizens who are frustrated that main press will not print and go with things. Back in the Lewinsky era last century, or the Kathleen Willeys, or the Brodericks, and it's just an endless series of spiked, suppressed stories. And this was a script that was too hot. And, you know, CBS kept its fingers crossed that no one would expose the details, and it would air and divide a country, which, you know, it didn't get to that point. And I'll just say this, Joe, the notion that Streisand was so intimately involved in this, I think, will be a future story and a defeat on leftest politics disguised as art, because when you start talking about a beloved American president -- and if they went and did a Clinton story, there would be just as much outrage, but I think we're safe to say Les Moonves is not ordering the Clinton saga in any version at this hour.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, thank you so much, Matt Drudge. We are going to have a lot more on this tomorrow night. We certainly hope you'll come back and tell us more. It is a remarkable story, a remarkable media story about what the alternative media can do. Thank you so much, Matt Drudge.

SCARBOROUGH: The "Drudge Report" is reporting tonight that "The Reagans," the mini-series, has been pulled. And as I asked Matt Drudge before, I personally think this is going to be a bigger media story than even Matt Drudge breaking impeachment back in 1998.

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But we are living in a new media environment where people can send e-mails. There are a lot of different ways now to communicate. And again, this is a clear example where people rose up, because it was hurtful and vicious on a beloved American character.
1 posted on 11/04/2003 10:11:46 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Drudge: It's The Beginning Of A Second Media Century

Got that right.

The stranglehold the left had on the media has been broken. The 40-year culture war, which the left was winning, took a big right turn today.

Rush Limbaugh started this, and Matt Drudge picked up the gaunlet. Talk radio and the internet changed everything.

2 posted on 11/04/2003 10:16:02 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: hole_n_one; TechJunkYard; Cheapskate; dorben; SevenofNine; A CA Guy; ConservativeMan55; ...
ping
3 posted on 11/04/2003 10:20:35 AM PST by lainie
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To: veronica
Rush Limbaugh started this, and Matt Drudge picked up the gaunlet. Talk radio and the internet changed everything.

And Free Republic, in particular, played no small part.

4 posted on 11/04/2003 10:20:53 AM PST by PaulJ
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To: veronica
Bump Bump and more Bumps to that!
5 posted on 11/04/2003 10:21:09 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Inquiring minds would like to know who might be the Showtime sponsors of such a "political hit job," just so a few letters can be written to companies to express opinions regarding the purchase of products by those that want to sponsor such rubbish.
6 posted on 11/04/2003 10:21:13 AM PST by Robert357
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To: Robert357
Well, Showtime's owned by the same company that owns CBS. So them airing it doesn't necessarily mean they want to. If they think they're going to get a lot of new subscribers over this, well, I think that's pretty naive. But the production company and/or specific execs who made this movie? I don't know. Good question.
7 posted on 11/04/2003 10:24:13 AM PST by lainie
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To: veronica
The stranglehold the left had on the media has been broken. The 40-year culture war, which the left was winning, took a big right turn today.

Read Alvin Toffler's The Third Wave, specificially the chapter "De-Massifying the Media." What he predicted back in 1979 (when the book was published) has become 2003 reality--and the liberal mainstream media has found out that reality with disastrous consequences (CBS caves on The Reagans and the New York Times loses Editor-in-Chief Howell Raines all in the space of one year).

8 posted on 11/04/2003 10:27:33 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: PaulJ
And Free Republic, in particular, played no small part.

I think that's true. Having a Conservative "water cooler" as it were, around which like-minded people from all over the world can gather, get news, discuss the issues and "rally the troops", has tremendous value on many levels, including activism.

9 posted on 11/04/2003 10:29:33 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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BTW, this seems like a good time to point out one further truth.. in my own lainie truth alert.. living in Southern California as I do. These last two weeks have been rather interesting. I know the rest of the country jokes about not caring about the Los Angeles area, but the truth is a good portion of it was on fire for over a week (and San Diego fared even worse). The national media just about ignored this as a breaking story. They picked it up on Monday morning (10/27), after the fires raged all weekend, but the Internet, and Free Republic in particular, kept the word out about details, news, etc. You simply couldn't get this information anywhere else. The media was SOLIDLY trumped, even here locally.
10 posted on 11/04/2003 10:30:27 AM PST by lainie
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To: RayChuang88
I wonder how much this little episode will cost CBS monetarily.
11 posted on 11/04/2003 10:32:38 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
9 million dollars was put into the project.
12 posted on 11/04/2003 10:36:26 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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It's an army of concerned citizens who are frustrated that main press will not print and go with things. Back in the Lewinsky era last century, or the Kathleen Willeys, or the Brodericks, and it's just an endless series of spiked, suppressed stories. And this was a script that was too hot. And, you know, CBS kept its fingers crossed that no one would expose the details, and it would air and divide a country, which, you know, it didn't get to that point. And I'll just say this, Joe, the notion that Streisand was so intimately involved in this, I think, will be a future story and a defeat on leftest politics disguised as art, because when you start talking about a beloved American president -- and if they went and did a Clinton story, there would be just as much outrage, but I think we're safe to say Les Moonves is not ordering the Clinton saga in any version at this hour.

Amen.

13 posted on 11/04/2003 10:36:37 AM PST by lainie
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To: ConservativeMan55
www.ronaldreagan.com
14 posted on 11/04/2003 10:36:46 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: lainie
The Fox News, talk radio, internet AXIS OF TRUTH strikes again!
15 posted on 11/04/2003 10:41:08 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: PaulJ
The blogsphere has become too big to ignore as well...

http://www.instapundit.com/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2090620/

http://andrewsullivan.com/

http://www.marksteyn.com/

http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp

http://www.chiefwiggles.blogspot.com/

http://www.rightwingnews.com/
16 posted on 11/04/2003 10:42:31 AM PST by Weimdog
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To: ConservativeMan55
Wow. That's a lotta Barbra Streisand Greatest Hits compilations.
17 posted on 11/04/2003 10:44:14 AM PST by lainie
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To: wayoverontheright

BAM!!! The Vast Right Wing Strikes Again!

I'll let you in on a secret...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy....is America...the red states.


18 posted on 11/04/2003 10:46:54 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: lainie

9 Million...Dollars.
19 posted on 11/04/2003 10:49:32 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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CBS STATEMENT REGARDING 'THE REAGANS'

"CBS will not broadcast THE REAGANS on November 16 and 18. This decision is based solely on our reaction to seeing the final film, not the controversy that erupted around a draft of the script.

Although the mini-series features impressive production values and acting performances, and although the producers have sources to verify each scene in the script, we believe it does not present a balanced portrayal of the Reagans for CBS and its audience. Subsequent edits that we considered did not address those concerns.

A free broadcast network, available to all over the public airwaves, has different standards than media the public must pay to view. We do, however, recognize and respect the filmmakers' right to have their voice heard and their film seen. As such, we have reached an agreement to license the exhibition rights for the film to Showtime, a subscriber-based, pay-cable network. We believe this is a solution that benefits everyone involved.

This was not an easy decision to make. CBS does tackle controversial subjects and provide tough assessments of prominent historical figures and events, as we did with films such as 'Jesus,' '9-11' and 'Hitler.' We will continue to do so in the future."

20 posted on 11/04/2003 10:54:19 AM PST by lainie
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21 posted on 11/04/2003 10:55:31 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
This is airing after "Queer as Folk". Go figure who it is targeted to. I guess they think gay=stupid?
22 posted on 11/04/2003 10:58:57 AM PST by steve8714
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To: PaulJ
Add many articulate bloggers who spread the story. Drudge is right. There is a whole new media out there that can take on the networks and the press and hold them to the fire if they screw up.
The power is shifting back to the people. It is amazing--and a little scary.
23 posted on 11/04/2003 11:01:22 AM PST by catonsville
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Belling, in for Rush, is talking about this right now, including quoting Drudge's fill-in a week ago Friday..
24 posted on 11/04/2003 11:09:07 AM PST by lainie
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To: Weimdog
The blogsphere has become too big to ignore as well...

Absolutely. The impact of the Internet on modern news reporting is something that'll be discussed 300 years from now. Pre-internet you received your news from the Big Three and you had to accept what they told you or do an awful lot of footwork to prove differently. They came Rush and he did the footwork for you. Then the Internet explosion (fueled by affordable computers and reasonable IP fees.) Now, when Dan Rather reports something, within seconds, we can discover the truth. If we hear something we don't like, no longer do we have to take the time to write a letter, seal and stamp it and drive it out to a mailbox. Within minutes, thanks to e-mail, we, and others like us, can swamp the computers of news people, politicians and sponsors.
It's a fight that the networks can't win. They're going to kick and scream for a while but eventually they'll have to acquiesce and then, perhaps, we'll have fair and balanced news.

25 posted on 11/04/2003 11:11:51 AM PST by PaulJ
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To: lainie
...CBS is responding to the millions for whom Pres. Reagan is beloved...

Belling predicts that all sorts of people in the entertainment industry will start piling on CBS for "caving to the Rush Limbaugh contingent" and will scream censorship

[we all know it isn't. The government hasn't shut them down, it's not censorship.]
26 posted on 11/04/2003 11:12:09 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Thanks! I saw this segment, it was great!
27 posted on 11/04/2003 11:14:52 AM PST by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: catonsville
It is amazing--and a little scary.

You know what? When I first heard it was to be canceled I said, "Whoaaaa". It was a little scary. I was reminded of Samuel Morse's first wired communication: "What hath God wrought!"

28 posted on 11/04/2003 11:18:25 AM PST by PaulJ
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To: ConservativeMan55
9 million dollars was put into the project.

9 mil is chump change to Hollywood, believe it or not. I just read an article about the makers of The Matrix series. They had a the script for The Matrix in hand but the producers wasn't sure about letting two unknowns direct a $40,000,000 movie (which was part of the deal if the studio bought the script). So they they let them do a six million dollar movie as a test first. They did a good job on the smaller movie, so they got a shot at the big one.

Nine million was probably worth it to them just to keep Babs happy.

29 posted on 11/04/2003 11:21:42 AM PST by WileyC
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Michael Reagan on EIB now
30 posted on 11/04/2003 11:23:45 AM PST by lainie
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To: WileyC
I bet Babs isn't happy now...hehehehe.
31 posted on 11/04/2003 11:25:39 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: lainie
I'm listening to that as well.
32 posted on 11/04/2003 11:26:14 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: lainie
RACKKKKK Drudge take on internet and FR play little part in Reagan movie smackdown RACK ITT

You know what here kicker of the story originally suppose been love story of Ronnie and Nancy they turn into Mommie Dearest script here

That bad part about it


RACKKKKK the smackdown on CBS
33 posted on 11/04/2003 11:27:43 AM PST by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: ConservativeMan55
The left does feel your pain, even if they caused it. Cause then they'll have some big-government answer for you.
34 posted on 11/04/2003 11:34:32 AM PST by lainie
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To: SevenofNine
The fabulous part of the Internet media revolution is that the big boys can't do ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
35 posted on 11/04/2003 11:35:23 AM PST by lainie
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email Showtime
36 posted on 11/04/2003 11:37:12 AM PST by lainie
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To: ConservativeMan55
That leftist called it artistic license, making up quotes.
37 posted on 11/04/2003 11:40:03 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Thats ridiculous!

Ellen Rattner was saying these talking points when she was on Foxnews the other day.
38 posted on 11/04/2003 11:42:09 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
I wonder who wrote 'em, Terry McAuliffe or Clinton?
39 posted on 11/04/2003 11:46:43 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
There are 3 recent events that have changed the political landscape, they are: 1)The internet, 2)cable news stations particulary FNC, and 3) conservative talk radio. Blogs are coming up fast and may qualify as the 4th item of change but they are basically part of the internet. No more does the liberal media control the information highway and it is really pissed. They will do anything to get their control back. We must be vigilent.
40 posted on 11/04/2003 11:46:43 AM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: lainie
Possibly Carville.
41 posted on 11/04/2003 11:48:23 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: Robert357
CBS's senior vice president of movies and miniseries, Bela Bajaria, is being blamed internally at the network for the growing backlash against the project, CBS sources said this weekend.

"Look, it was going to be about the Reagans and their family," a senior network source said. "A love story! We lost control of it... it transformed. Politics was seasoned in. What was delivered is not what was pitched to me or anyone else here, that I am aware of."

Bajaria told the LOS ANGELES TIMES last summer that in REAGANS she wanted to tell "an amazing love story that spans four decades."

"We don't expect this to be controversial," she explained.

http://www.drudgereport.com/rr6.htm

42 posted on 11/04/2003 11:49:35 AM PST by lainie
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To: Weimdog
I don't think so. Bloggers only imagine they have influence because they influence each other. If you asked the average politically aware conservative if he's heard of Glenn Reynolds or Mickey Kaus, he'd give you a long, blank stare.
43 posted on 11/04/2003 11:52:15 AM PST by GulliverSwift (Leftist protesters undermine their own cause. Please encourage them!)
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To: lainie
It was talk radio and Drudge that did it. FR played some role, albeit one of organizing people to tell the uninformed.

Drudge and talk radio are universal media. Almost all Internet sites are not by virtue of their very limited audience sizes.
44 posted on 11/04/2003 11:55:17 AM PST by GulliverSwift (Leftist protesters undermine their own cause. Please encourage them!)
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To: GulliverSwift; Weimdog; Uncle Hal
I tend to agree with GulliverSwift, but mostly because I personally can't slog, through the blogs, the endless blogs.

I've heard of Glenn Reynolds and Mickey Kaus and Andrew Sullivan, and I'll be interested if someone brings a brilliant revelation to my attention, but I'm can't sift through the musings of anyone's daily thoughts. I don't even read my favorite columnists anymore due to time constraints. Are the liberal bloggers influenced by the conservative ones? That might be an inroad that no other entity but a famous blogger could make.

I've come to consider these Internet forums (like FR) to be slow-motion blogs. Actually, any quick trip through old Usenet postings reveals that the entire Internet is one big blog.

45 posted on 11/04/2003 11:59:47 AM PST by lainie
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To: GulliverSwift
Bloggers only imagine they have influence because they influence each other.

I read an article about this recently -- wish I could share it with you -- but let me try to restate what it said about bloggers:

You are right when you say that bloggers imagine more influence than they have -- on an individual basis. But what is missing is the whole lot of them together. It is sort of a cauldron or kettle of thinking, and, like these discussion threads, the bubbling up of a lot of ideas can show trends in peoples' thinking and many of these ideas trickle up, instead of down, in the media food chain.

Again, I probably botched up trying to explain it, but hope it makes a bit of sense to you.

46 posted on 11/04/2003 12:00:20 PM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: GulliverSwift
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Drudge is the one to watch. He's unique in media and a true conservative. He understands what the Internet really is (which is NOT a one-way conduit of marketing. Contrary to what people tried to do with it.)
47 posted on 11/04/2003 12:05:05 PM PST by lainie
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To: paulklenk
Hannity is saying basically the same thing. 'Beyond Matt Drudge, who brought it to our attention, this story belongs to no one talkshow host. This belongs to YOU the people out there.'
48 posted on 11/04/2003 12:15:14 PM PST by lainie
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To: paulklenk
Problem is, though, that there are _no one_ many bloggers out there that no one has time to read them all. Most of their sites are disorganized messes with almost all of the content on one page that is 5 miles long.

So, the diarists may influence the people they happen to direct readers to but that's still questionable since a lot of the bloggers don't even have the ability to look at their server logs to check referrers.

IMHO discussion forums like FR, Lucianne, Fark.com are far more efficient uses of group resources. They are also so much better organized and easier to search.

I have no interest in starting a blog when I have FR here for me. I don't have to worry about paying for it, updating it with useless quota postings. If I want to share my thoughts, I can post a vanity essay. If I just want to put my two bits in, I post on a thread.

Blogs are a waste of time on both the authors' and readers' parts, IMO.
49 posted on 11/04/2003 12:22:47 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Leftist protesters undermine their own cause. Please encourage them!)
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To: lainie
I've heard of Glenn Reynolds and Mickey Kaus and Andrew Sullivan, and I'll be interested if someone brings a brilliant revelation to my attention, but I'm can't sift through the musings of anyone's daily thoughts. I don't even read my favorite columnists anymore due to time constraints. Are the liberal bloggers influenced by the conservative ones? That might be an inroad that no other entity but a famous blogger could make.

I've come to consider these Internet forums (like FR) to be slow-motion blogs. Actually, any quick trip through old Usenet postings reveals that the entire Internet is one big blog.

I find a lot I agree with here. I remember back in the day when I tried to read all of the conservative columnists on Jewish World Review. But by doing so, I learned of other writers, and still more.

After a while, I realized that basically all of them were saying the same 3 or 4 things, just with slightly different styles. I've since lost all use for columnists since most have no original thoughts at all.

As for FR vis-a-vis the blogs, I think that it is they who are behind us. I often see stuff on here first before anywhere else on the Web.

One other plus about FR: live group discussions of events. You can't get that kind of interactivity reading a hodgepodge of stream-of-consciousness diary entries.

50 posted on 11/04/2003 12:27:29 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Leftist protesters undermine their own cause. Please encourage them!)
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